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did in 1983? he paid in. the average person pays a dollar and they take out $3. i agree. i agree. let me tell you about this. medicare is $705 billion this year. we're spending more on medicare than the defense department by a good bit. let me tell you, the highest amount you pay in medicare premium is $486. the average person pays $109 a month in medicare premiums, 16% of the money we pay we spend on medicare comes from the patients, the rest of it comes from the federal government. that's why medicare and social security are going to bankrupt the country. >> you've been listening to senator graham there in a town hall in columbia north carolina as a member of the committee, and how as it stands the president will not be getting the support of the proposed outline of the proposed budget.
one day after the failure of the republican health care bill, gop leaders are hearing firsthand from the voters. you see republican senator lindsey graham holding the town hall in his home state. addressing the health care failure, and the fbi investigation into the russian meddling into the u.s. election and potential ties to the trump campaign. >> here is what i think about health care. obamacare is a disaster and it's going to explode. we are down -- we've learned that the fbi's investigating trump campaign operatives for potential ties to russia. here is my belief -- [ cheers and applause ] >> it goes wherever it goes. no politician should stand in the way. we should let the fbi do their
job and what happens what happens. >> cnn's polo sandoval is in south carolina covering this for us. another town hall and another crowd of fireworks, holding up the red and green placards. red indicating i don't agree, green i'm with you. >> it's interesting when he's tackled some of the topics he's seen a lot of the red cards especially when it came to, for example, the next potential -- what he spoke to yesterday's development yesterday and lawmakers choosing not to vote on the legislation that would repeal and replace obamacare. when we saw the green cards, when he was talking about the next possible solution. we heard from the south carolina senator how he would like to essentially reach across the eye to some of his democratic colleagues to try to find a solution. take a listen. >> i don't think one party is going to be able to fix this by
themselves. so here is what i think should happen next. i think the president should reach out to democrats, i should reach out to democrats, and we should say let's take a shot at doing this together because it ain't working at doing by ourselves. >> obviously there are people who are not worried about having their voice heard inside the venue here. we're going to keep tracking this. of course, there are several other issues he's tacking, for example, immigration, and what could be the next issue in washington, tax reform. fred. >> polo sandoval, thank you so much. senator graham talking about the investigation into the russian involvement in the 2016 election and president trump's wiretapping claim. take a listen. >> i have legislation that i think would get 80 votes, that
would punish the russians for interfering in our elections for sanctions for their interference in crimea. i want to vote on that just as soon as i can. let me tell you why. the russians are trying to interfere in the french election at the end of april. so i want to vote in committee and the senate before the french elections to let the europeans and the russians know that we care about what the russians did in our own backyard. the germans have their election in september and i hope we can pass the bill and put it on the president trump's desk by september. as to the investigation, we've learned two things. we've learned from the fbi is investigating trump campaign operatives for potential ties to russia. here is my belief -- [ cheers and applause ] -- it goes whenever it goes. no politician should stand in the way. we should let the fbi do their
job and what happens what happens. >> let's discuss all of this with our mikeled shields and ryan lizza, bob behr he's a cnn intelligence and security analyst and former cia analyst. good to see all of you. senator graham says no politician should stand in the way of the russia investigation. ryan, congressman schiff is calling for an independent investigation. he believes that nunes compromised the committee by toing the president that there may have been evidence between trump associates and the russians. what do you make of this and particular on the heels of senator graham's comments. >> he's been alone with john mccain interested in an independent commission. i think nunes after frankly a pretty good start between him and schiff and a hearing on
monday that despite some of the normal partisanship actually answered a lot of questions and was off to a good start. but the actions since last monday i think of -- have damaged and raised a lot of questions about whether that is the proper forum to really get to the bomb of what happened. now, the truth is the fbi is the main institution with the most resources that is investigating, you know, the most interesting allegations here. so whatever committee or commission investigates this the fbi is going to do its work. but i think nunes going to the white house, look, i know. i report a lot on this, and i know nunes talks to trump. i think that has damaged -- >> he was formerly on the transition team. >> he's an adviser. nothing necessarily wrong with that. but it means he needs to be really clear about running a
fair and independent process and i don't think this week showed that he did that with going to the white house, holding a press conference sharing the information with the president before people on the committee. so that committee has some problems right now. >> yeah, so senator graham sounds like he lacked the confidence in the house intel committee as a result. in fact, his words were, you know, the house intel committee is about to fall apart. so this is what is at issue here. this is congressman nunes on friday talking about the process of the investigation. this is partly what is at issue here. >> this is not a -- not an easy process. because the -- you know, there is politics on both sides of this, and i'm trying to navigate as best as i can. >> so, bob, is this investigation compromised largely because of what nunes did despite his apology and explanation.
>> i think it was compromised from the beginning. this shouldn't have been a joint investigation. this was a counterattack into the united states and the dnc e-mail. as mccain said, it's a cyberattack as he described it. we need an independent investigation if not special prosecutor because simply a crime was committed, there may have been americans involved in collusion with the russians. that is certainly not clear at this point and i think we need somebody that's completely trusted by both sides to look into this and somebody who is discreet because so much of this information is top secret, intercepts, metadata and all of this. and once you throw the stuff into the committee, it's impossible to manage. i've never seen it work. >> and yeah, highly anticipated would have been the hearing, public hearing, next week now. you know, nunes has said it will be a private hearing, and
congressman schiff is blasting nunes for delaying this with these former top intelligence officials, saying this in a tweet. "chairman just canceled open intelligence committee hearing with clapper, brennan and yates in order to chokoff public information" now we're hearing about selina, the hearing taking place but behind closed doors. >> right. i think the american public at this moment especially when you're dealing with the russians, they want to see something this transparent and open. despite all of the lack of trust and expertise and institutions at this moment, the fbi is still hold -- is still held in high regard by the american people, and i think that is the investigation that people will most be paying attention to. to see what the outcome is.
>> mike, what does it mean in your view, when you have former trump camp from paul manafort to roger stone, carter page, voluntarily saying i will come. likely they would have been subpoenaed. but does it send a different message? does it shape the testimony that they volunteer? >> yeah, because what they're saying and what the trump people have said all along this whole triangle is trumped up and not true. look, a lot of this is about partisan politics and you had a senator who said he had transcripts of evidence and said later on, actually i didn't mean that. i have no evidence. you have the former cia director under obama saying there is a lot of smoke but not fire, not even a camp fire and a lot of people are looking for it. as you saw senator graham bullish that there should be an investigation. he's right there is an fbi investigation, and that should carry on.
what you see is politics. when you have an intel chairman saying we need a briefing. it's intel. he want it to be closed door. that's become a political football for the democrats to use this and try to attack the president and the republican. i think we have to keep in mind how much politics in this story when there is literally to date no evidence of any of this. if you hear the person who showed up the alindsey graham's town hall with scripted question, there is ample evidence what are you going to do with it. >> mike, doesn't it send a mentally when it's public, you hear james comey and then suddenly the same committee is going to handle testimony and value testimony coming from the intel community and then it becomes closed. it doesn't send a different signal? >> i think you have to ask the intel committee why they keep meetings open and closed. it's intelligence. they have to make decisions.
one of the issues is we had people apparently unmasked for partisan political purposes that have been investigated not because they were tied to anything because there were partisan reason for it. maybe one of the things chairman nunes is saying let's stop the circus here and try to have a hearing. there is democrats in there and if they think things need to be shared. they will share it. >> quickly sa lena. >> i disagree with mike a little bit. here is my reading of what happened here. i think nunes and schiff started a broad investigation, what they called a scope. and i think other players thought nunes made a big mistake here by having this investigation cast such a wide net and i think on monday when comey and rogers testified, a lot of republicans and the white house thought, wait a second, this investigation is
getting a little out of hand, it's getting a little too close to the white house and you started seeing a ratcheting back from nunes, trying to close things down a bit. that's how i interpreted the events of the week. >> thank you, guys. we'll have you back. i appreciate it. just moments ago senator lindsey graham addressed the failure of the gop health care bill and the future of it. we'll talk about that next.
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we're monitoring live picture of senator graham there hosting a fiery town hall in columbia south carolina. he was inevitably asked about the failure to repeal and replace obamacare. >> bottom line is with obamacare is that middle class families have deductibles and premiums that have sky projected because somebody else is getting it for free. that ain't health care reform. that's just restriction of income, and pick qualified people i'm not going to sit on the sidelines and watch working people get clobbered in the name of helping the poor. >> meanwhile the president is issuing a new message today after yesterday's stunning health care failure bill on capitol hill. tweeting, done worry, the president tweeting, quote, obamacare will explode and we will all get together and piece together a great health care plan for the american people. do not worry.
this despite analysts and the cbo saying that enrollment of obamacare are steady and prices are stabilizing. let's bring back my panel. ryan lizza, salena litto, bill carter. ryan, you first. your reaction to senator graham. are these town halls and these listening posts, are these effective particularly as the republicans try to get back on track with an agenda? >> i have to say i was listening to graham's town hall before we came back on now, he really is one of the most interesting politicians in washington. he's a south carolina senator, south carolina is one of the most conservative states in the country. he's way to the left in south carolina. and he gets up in front of the crowds and depends the epa which is not popular in terms of conservatives. he made the point he wants to
try and do a bipartisan health care bill to save what both sides really agree are some problems with obamacare, although i'm not sure he's where most democrats are on that issue. and then on trump's tweet, i have to say, fred, i really think it's irresponsible for the president of the united states who swears an oath to faithfully execute the laws to talk about a massive federal law collapsing and allowing it to collapse. that's not what you're supposed to do as president. he's going to have to make some very important decisions through his hhs secretary on obamacare and just letting it collapse and hurting people does not sound to me like a responsible policy just because you couldn't get legislation through congress to fix it the way you wanted. >> yeah, so salena does it send
a con flflicting message, yes te is disagreement from the president and paul ryan, but is he sounding prophetic, it's inevitable, it's going to fail, too bad for you. it doesn't make it sound like he has too much compassion for those relying on health care. >> yeah, obamacare for republicans and democrats has been a thorn in the side for a lot of politicians, right? i think that graham has it right having talked to people who voted for trump and didn't vote for trump, in the past 24 hours. that idea to reach across the aisle and put something across in a better way than obamacare does, is a smart move and that's what voters want. trump is not a very ideal
logical politician so a lot of people voted for him wouldn't have necessarily voted for a republican and on the merit of getting things down. what senator graham is talking about in town hall is what a lot of voters told me after the bill going down. >> bill, there was a quinnipiac poll that it was 56 disapproval for the bill. and the house was having it scheduled until the last minute. it didn't. how big of a miss judgment was that? i mean, does this underscore there is not enough listening to and responding to what is being said? >> i don't think that was even mentioned by anybody sporing the bill that there wasn't any popular support for it. there really is sort of an
ideological element that has driven the repeal and replace obamacare. some people like it, some don't. and some don't want to be without it. they're ignoring the poll and the president said, i'm the only one who can fix this. he should have been paying attention to the fact that it touches so many lives. it will be an opportunity for him if he does say maybe we shouldn't let it explode as ryan was saying because that's dangerous and silly if people are losing their health care. he could say to the democrats hey, maybe we get together and fix things and we both look good. >> he's got the politics completely wrong. all of the messages since defeat in the house is this is obama and the democrats, they own this legislation. that works maybe in your first year of office, but eventually people start to say that no, you're the president,
republicans control the congress, you're in charge, you have to fix this issue. >> except, salena was the message sent that this president likes to delegate and perhaps did not take the leadership role in this case. a, it protects him to say someone else did it. but b, it comes with you're the president, you're the leader. aren't you supposed to be one to demonstrate what you -- what the conclusion is, what you want to get done? >> yeah, yeah, absolutely. i mean, people voted for him because they wanted him to take the lead. he should have had a stronger voice, should have owned it the entire way through and shouldn't have outsourced it to the house. this is something that he campaigned on, this is something that was very important to his voters, if he's going to take this again, he's better served by taking it basically under his arm and driving through the -- through the field. it -- this is something that
they expect him to own and win. look, campaigning is rough. campaigning is nothing on governing. that is really tough. and this is where he needs to show that he's more than a businessman, that he can govern with skills that he has. >> doubtful like, bill -- doubtfdo you feel, bill, he talks about lessons learned. he didn't talk about governing. it's another thing to campaign and another thing to govern? >> i don't know. this is a guy who goes on instinct which he said publicly. he goes on instinct all the time. it's one thing to be a leader and say this is on me, and is then you back off and say, well, i don't know the details of this. he didn't know the details of this extensively. at some point you have to step up and say i need to take charge and i'm the president and not just the people who voted for
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all right. welcome back. i'm fredricka whitfield. two months two his presidency and donald trump is dealing with his biggest setback to date. the failure of the president and his fellow white house republicans to pass the gop health care plan. on friday the president blamed democrats for the defeat and went as far he never went as far as promising to repeal and
replace obamacare in his first months of the job. >> i never said, i'm here 64 days, i never said repeal and replace obamacare, you heard my speeches. i never said repeal and replace within 64 days. i have time. >> actually the president is on record multiple times he would ask congress to send him a bill to repeal and replace obamacare immediately after taking the oath of office. we have lauren fox here. lauren, good to see you. how is this failure likely to play on capitol hill and republicans? >> republican members after the meeting were disappointed with the fact that they were not able to deliver the votes to president trump on this bill. we have to remember, this is the vote that was going to catapult them and had catapulted them to win the house, senate and the white house, and republicans are going to be able to dis -- will
be disappointed the republican party did not deliver to them. we have to hear some bites from members back home who are -- members back home disappointed with the president. >> i don't like the repeal of obamacare at all. i feel like it was pushed through and now trump is trying to push through something, but at least he's honoring the other votes. >> i'm happy that it didn't pass. let's just -- if it didn't pass, leave it the way it is for now. if you can't agree behind the scenes, leave it alone. let it just be what it is until you can do something better. >> obamacare, as it stands, i think they need to focus on bigger issues and keep -- keep this plan going. >> as you can hear, constituents back home are very divide over what should happen to the affordable care act and i think what we can expect moving forward is that members of
congress are going to move to tru trump's next agenda items, tax reform, infrastructure. some republicans say that -- senator graham said at a town hall -- they'll need democratic support to get it across the finish line. republicans are deeply divided on this, and exactly what to do moving forward is going to fall to bipartisan support. thank you. >> all right. lauren fox, thanks so much. the president himself saying yesterday next on the agenda he will likely tackle tax reform. for more of our reporting go to cnn.com for all of this. senate majority leader chuck schumer says he is confident they can block a vote for neil gorsuch, the president's supreme court nominee.
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all right. in the chaos of the collapse of the health care bill on capitol hill is the declaration of war against u.s. supreme court nominee, neil gorsuch. the democrats led by democrats schumer, say they will filibuster the nomination which means republicans needing only 60 votes to confirm the nomination, there are just 52
republicans. here is assumer's explanation. >> you can bet if the shoe were on the other foot and a democratic president was under investigation by the fbi,r the republicans would be howling at the moon about filling a supreme court seat in such circumstances. after all, they stopped the president who wasn't under investigation from filling a seat with nearly a year left in his presidency. >> all right. i want to bring in our legal guys to talk it overment civil rights attorney and law professor there front and center. richard herman, you don't see him but he's with us. criminal defense attorney and pro professor on the phone. >> there is some risk on it. you heard 20 hours of neil gorsuch before the senate judiciary and it was kind of like watching jimmy stuart
without a heart. and the bottom line is, yeah, they've got 52 votes, they need 8 democrats, and the fact is they can't make the 60. but what may be cooking now is there may be a dirty deal. and that is if gorsuch replaces scalia, you've got a conservative for a conservative. the deal may be to flip a couple of democrats, let them be confirmed and let them be blocked the next nomination who will be more liberal than this. >> if there is a filibuster republicans will change the rule instead of the 60 needed they will need 51. what message will that be sent on behalf of the high court if that's done. >> it's the same message that the democrats did when they issued this nuclear judgment before. gorsuch is in.
there is nothing the democrats can do. they're not in power. there is nothing they can do. the president of the united states and his administration are under federal investigation for possible treason. that's a pretty powerful statement to make and now you're going to enact -- you're going to appoint a supreme court justice who will be on the bench for 50 years, i mean, really? but is a filibuster the way to stop that? i don't think so. and schumer cannot win a filibuster. he will lose the filibuster. mitch mcconnell from kentucky, by the way, kentucky won last night. he is this close. you'll do the nuclear option this fast. if there is another appointment by trump during the tenure or goes the balance of the four years that too will be on easy majority. >> oh, no. >> and the democrats will have nothing to do. it's a dangerous slippery slope
right now and in the end, fred, there is nothing the democrats can do by a filibuster to prevent gorsuch. he's going to be the next supreme court justice. >> avery hearing -- confirmation hearings continuing next week. what, if anything, could neil gorsuch do to lose support even among the gop? >> i don't think he can win it. there is no way the republicans will get to 60. the only way it happens is an absolute deal with the devil and that would be chuck schumer making it. i'll give you a couple of democrats but you make sure that for the next nomination, gi ginsberg retires or kennedy retires we get our candidate in. i don't think there will be a nuclear option. i think it's going to be a worked out deal, dirty, clever, but i think gorsuch gets in.
>> are there potential surprises that comes with neil gorsuch where conservatives feel he is a great replacement for justice scalia? where you don't know exactly what you're getting. >> john roberts, and others who show their independence on the bench. but gorsuch, he is a strict scalia student and maybe more >> they'll get the balance of the supreme court the way it was with scalia at a minimum and nothing i don't think gorsuch can do that he could prevent it and they haven't really laid hands on him in the questioning that he's been confronted with. he's stalwart in his responses and a brilliant guy and not much that you can do to block his
nomination and certainly filibuster. >> sure you can. >> it's going to be absolutely horrible future for the democrats the if mr. mcconnell pulls this nuclear option and i disagree with avery, i think he will pull it because the republicans have had enough and e egged in their face that was the mainstay of winning the presidency and all of the congressional seat that they won and got completely humiliated, so i think they need something. >> why do you disagree on so much of that? >> there has to be a deal. mitch mcconnell, it's dangerous for republicans as it is for democrats. so he's got to work a deal with schumer and schumer going to say there is no deal. compromised now. a deal with the devil. >> richard and avery, always telling it as you see it. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> take care. straight ahead, canada's
largest school system telling students sorry, no field trips to the u.s. why toronto is worried about their students and staff crossing the border but first, we have this week's away series. how to wind down from the hustle and bustle of visiting the big apple. new york city is packed with people. almost 8.5 million residents live here and a record 60 million visited last year. it's one of the top spots for business travelers in the u.s. so need a little reprieve from all the hustle and bustle? how about hanging out with some of new york's quietest residents. meow parlor is a cat cafe in downtown nyc and five times a month, it turns into a yoga studio for kitty yoga.
>> it's a good way to have a break from the chaos after traveling, after flying. yoga is a great way to loosen up a little bit, relieve some of those sore travel muscles, but at the same time, it's definitely a unique, like, attraction. >> the class starts with a warm-up. >> kind of let your body be nice and soft, nice and relaxed. >> and as you get more daring with your moves, so do the cats. >> sometimes, they like to sit and watch us. sometimes, they're running through the mats and climbing on people. you never know what's going to happen. >> these cats aren't just here to play. they're rescues and up for adoption. >> that's really why we're here. these cats are all up for adoption. some of them are pesspecial nee and some have been through a lot, so it's nice to find that connection. >> i love traveling.
information just in on the british attack. he did not see a direct isis hand in this week's deadly attack. mehsud was active on the encryption messaging service just before the attack but the official says there's no evidence he was communicating with isis at any point. mehsud drove an suv into a london sidewalk wednesday killing four people and injuring dozens more just outside of parliament, killing one american
as well. also, at this hour, scott depo, of west virginia, is getting ready to hear from vice president mike pence. he's meeting with small business owners. he may address obamacare and the republicans' failed replacement plan. more fallout now over president trump's revised travel ban. the ban seeks to temporarily restrict from yemen, syria. and now canada's largest school system will not allow students or staff trips to the u.s. nearly 250,000 students are affected but let's bring in paula newton. the school board calls it a difficult choice. what's the greatest concern here? >> the greatest concern as far as you and i can relate to, a school bus full of children and one or two of the staff cannot
proceed. and remember, they go through an international border like everyone has to and it was a difficult diecision. a lot of trips to the united states, these are traditions that have been in place for decades and we could hear from john malloy, the director of education, the district school board. in this statement, you could actually feel the kind of difficult decision this was. he said, we do not make this decision lightly but given the uncertainty of new travel restrictions when they come into effect and strongly believe our students should not be placed into these situations of potentially being turned away at the border and the travel ban, it doesn't mean that anecdotally haven't been hearing about it and wanted to avoid the headache and these are a diverse populations trying to get over the border, even if they were born in canada and perhaps other questions that border
authorities want to scrutiny and school boards want to avoid that. other school boards have done the same thing and the girl scouts equivalent, they halted temporarily all trips to the united states. >> so paula, what's the department of homeland security saying about canadians entering the u.s.? >> secretary of homeland security john kelly, general john kelly was here a little while ago and he was listening to many people talk about this anecdotal evidence. we went to the border, we were turned away and his point was, i'm comfortable with the level of security we have with the border. he says that if they're being stopped, it's because they have additional concerns, it's not about race, religion, or the language that they speak. having said that, a lot of teachers, parents, school board administrators are not taking chances. >> paula newton, from ottawa, appreciate it. >> next hour in the "cnn newsroom" starts right now.
hello, thank you so much for being with us. i'm fredericka whitfield. one day after the failure of the republican health care bill and gop leaders are getting an earful from voters. >> quick overview of the topic. >> lindsey gram wrapped up the town hall in south carolina. the gathering focused on hot button issues by the topics getting the most vocal responses is the investigation into the possible ties, the team, the possible ties to russia and of course, the gop's failed bid to repeal and replace obamacare. >> here's what i think about health care. obamacare is a disaster.