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breaking news. you are live in the "cnn newsroom." i'm ana cabrera in new york. we begin with this breaking news. right now the u.s. military looking into some very serious allegations that american war planes targeting isis fighters in iraq dropped bombs that may have killed hundreds of civilian people in the northern city of mosul. now, that charge comes from a local official in iraq. the pentagon also investigating this. right now, cnn's pentagon correspondent, barbara starr. what is the latest? >> good evening, ana. it's a confusing picture, it's very serious. the u.s. military taking it very
seriously tonight. a short time ago, the u.s. central command, the coalition announced it is opening a formal assessment into whether on march 17th, in west mosul, it may have dropped bombs that ill canned a significant large number of, perhaps, perhaps hundreds of civilians. the issue right now, nobody knows exactly what happened. all of this began to emerge over the last couple of days as social media activists in the area began to report large number of civilian casualties due to bombings in west mosul, where there is very tough fighting against isis. the picture has been pretty murky, because there's so many conflicting reports, and the u.s. doesn't have anybody on the ground there that can put eyeballs on the situation and really verify it. but the pentagon, the coalition today, a short time ago said
that they've been able to determine that, yes, they did conduct the air strikes in one of these areas, where the allegations have emerged from on march 17th. so, now they will conduct a formal assessment. they will look at all of the data they have, they will look at the allegations, they will try and figure out what exactly did happen, were civilians killed, how did this happen? one of the theories may well be, we are told, that isis took civilians, held them as human shields, human hostages in buildings it knew might be struck by the coalition. so the u.s. military has a view already that if there was a city, isis, people need to remember, i think it's a fair point, isis has conducted many human atrocities, murders, human shields, taking people hostage
over the years. this may be another case of that. the u.s. military loosening of their rules for no toleration of civilian casualties. they are as careful, they say, as they can be. but even tonight the iraqi government jumping in and also investigating all of this. ana? >> right, you talked about march 17th being a specific date that the pentagon is looking into. but iraqi officials on the ground are reporting that there were civilian casualties on march 22nd and 23rd. what more do you know about multiple incidents now? >> reporter: well, there may well be. that -- you've put your finger on it. this is the problem that investigators are already struggling with and have been looking for several days. the allegations of all of this
point to a range of days between march 16th and march 23rd, where people on the ground were indicating that there had been bombings, there had been fighting and there had been a significant number of civilian casualties. that's between march 16th and march 23rd, just over the last week or so. so far, what we are hearing from the u.s. side is they've looked at that 16th to the 23rd, they can only verify right now that they believe they conducted strikes on the 17th, in the area corresponding to the allegations of civilian casualties. the iraqis are looking at a broader range of dates. and the u.s. is also still looking, it should be said, to see if they can still match up any other u.s. air strikes or coalition air strikes that may correspondent to some of these allegations. so, a very confusing picture,
but something that is being taken extremely seriously, because the allegations are that, perhaps, up to 200 or more civilians may have been died as a result of the air strikes and they may, we do not know, they may have been human shields taken by isis, there may have been secondary explosions in the area, but somehow, u.s. pilots, coalition pilots may have dropped bombs and the result really, a catastrophe. >> and we are seeing the result of those bombs. we're looking at pictures right now of some of those folks in the area being pulled out of the rubble. you see anguish on their faces. such a tramg right now. barbara starr, reporting. we appreciate all the latest information. joining me now from denver, the former united states ambassador to iraq, christopher hill. thank you, ambassador, for joining us. first, your reaction to this report? >> well, first of all, this is
just awful. this is a very high degree of collateral damage. we haven't seen this in a long, long time. so this is pretty bad. i want to, though, stress some of the points that barbara has already made, frankly. isis' m.o., their modus operandi is, indeed, to use human shields, is indeed to store ammunition among civilians. so i would not rule out there is this kind of issue. obviously, this is particularly sensitive, because you have a shia-led iraqi government, you have a lot of sunnis in the area, with great suspicions of the iraqi government. and frankly, suspicions of us, because we helped put a shia-led government in power in baghdad. so this is going to require some depth diplomacy. i'm sure other sunni countries are looking at this very carefully. we've already seen some of the sunni reaction within iraq, to be that we need to slow this down, slow these attacks on isis. i do want to stress that isis is on its heels. it's been on its heels for
several months, and i think we can look at this, probably as acts of desperation on the part of isis, certainly, the -- what i believe will turn out to be the use of human shields and storing ammunition amongst civilians. >> you say kind of take a deep breath, let's look at this and make sure we have all the facts here. from your experience in iraq, how credible are the claims made by officials on the ground there? >> well, i mean, i -- i think the old line that you can't believe first reports is usually true. i mean, first reports often exaggerate or their underestimate. so, what i do know is the u.s. military has a lot of, a lot of experience going into these issues and finding out what exactly happened. and i think we should all be deeply grateful for our u.s. military that does not cover up the facts when those facts emerge. so i do think we have to take a deep breath. and i do think we have to take some time to see what exactly
happened. but then i think there needs to be a very active diplomatic approach, because there are going to be a lot of sunni countries, many of whom's populations are kind of ambivalent about this war of annihilation against isis. no one likes isis, but there's certainly a view in parts of the arab world that somehow isis is at least doing something about shia in the way that other sunni-led countries have not. so, there is some measure of sympathy, and we need to be up and ready for that, and really aggressive diplomatically. >> do you have any idea how long an investigation into this matter could take? >> you know, since there's so many different strikes we're talking about, first, they have to do, as barbara suggested, figure out whether our planes were in the air at those times. but i suspect we're not going to know positively for, you know, probably not more than -- the
next few days, we're not going to know yet. i think it's going to take a little longer. but again, i want to stress, the u.s. military is very diligent on these things. and i think when they figure it out, they'll tell us precisely what happened. >> you know, it's interesting, as we've been doing air strikes now for a long time, for months, and i'm looking at a report from air strikes that happened just yesterday, it says, this is from centcom, coalition military forces conducted 14 strikes, consisting of 55 engagements against isis terrorists in syria and iraq. so we're talking about dozens of air strikes, but now concentrated in just a few days, hundreds of suchcivilian casual. does it surprise you that this is an issue that's just happening now? >> you know, that's why i'm of the view that when the investigation is finally done, they are going to see some isis tactics behind some of this to really try to get this outcome of heavy civilian casualties. as you point out, we've been doing this for a long time, and
we haven't had this kind of issue. i think, also, you have to, that some of these strikes, presumably, are in support of ground operations. that's a much tougher proposition to be hitting very specific points at specific times. and so, you do increase the risk of civilians, especially as there's so many civilians in the area. but i really think, i see the hand of isis in some of these civilian casualties. >> ambassador christopher hill, thanks again for talking with us tonight. >> thank you. >> we will continue to stay on top of this story. meantime, also, here tonight in the newsroom, president trump tries to pick up the pieces after a shattering setback on capitol hill. we'll look at the blame game and his next priority now that his health care bill has gone down without a vote. stay with us. ♪ if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis isn't it time to let the real you shine through? introducing otezla, apremilast.
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his own party handed him his first major policy setback since taking office. the focus, some tense moments between the president and members of his own party in the house. now, republican sources tell cnn the president had a stinging lesson on how deal making works in washington. i want to bring in athena jones, cnn's white house correspondent. athena, war you learning about this apparently contentious meeting? >> a couple of contentious meetings or at least contentious moments. this is, of course, a president who cast hills as a master dealmaker, someone who could get the job done and that telling his supporters throughout the campaign, there would be so much winning that they would get sick of winning. this is a big loss and it shows some difficulties with his deal making. the white house has said the president was all in. this was personal for him, he spent a good deal of time trying to cajole members of congress, but members of congress are revealing some interesting details. one of them is that the president didn't offer much of a rationale to them for why they should vote yes on this bill, on
this repeal bill. instead, just focusing on the politics, asking them to help deliver them a win. a win in his first 100 days. another very important point that many members are bringing up is that the president did not have much to do with the nitty-gritty details of the bill. he didn't seem aware of them. he wasn't able to answer questions about specific policy measures included in this bill. some reporting by my colleagues, dana bash and jim acosta. dana bash spoke with sources who said in a meeting with the house freedom caucus thursday night, those are the conservatives who stood in the way of this bill, one of the members wanted to talk about some of these policy details and the president said, forget about the little stuff. he did not say "stuff." he used a four-letter word, starting with "s," but you get the point there. another person says that he, a gop congressional aide said that the president just didn't care or particularly know about health care. this is according to reporting by my colleague, jim acosta.
that aide said, if you're going to be the great negotiator, you have to know about the subject matter. also, in a meeting with the tuesday group, that's yet another group of house republicans, these are moderate republicans, one of those congressmen, charlie dent told the president he was a "no" at that moment in time on the bill and the president replied, "why am i even talking to you?" so it does seem that the president's approach on some of this may have alienated the very members he needed to get onboard to score this big win for his young presidency. ana? >> really interesting to hear about the behind-the-scenes conversations happening leading up to this no vote or non-vote, i should say. athena jones, thank you very much. coming up, the president said he learned a lot about loyalty during this health care fiasco. so does that mean he's taking names? our panel weighs in. hey, bud. you need some help? no, i'm good.
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back when he was candidate, president trump argued the problem with washington, they don't make deals. it's all gridlock. i'll get everybody together. we'll all make great deals for the country. he promised over and over and over one of those deals would be repealing and replacing obamacare. listen. >> real change begins immediately with the repealing and replacing of the disaster nobody says obamacare. we get rid of obamacare. it's going to be gone. it's going to be terminated. >> obamacare is a disaster. repeal it and replace it. repeal and replace. repeal and replace. obamacare, we're going to repeal it, we're going to replace, we're going to get something better. repeal it, replace it, get something great! we're going to repeal and replace the horror that's known as obamacare. it is a horror. i will repeal and replace
obamacare, which is a catastrophe. we're going to kill it. let it die! let i die! and we're going to come up with something much, much better. you're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost. and it's going to be so easy. >> oh, "so easy," famous last words. i want to bring in my panel. cnn senior political analyst, david gergen. david, bottom line, how much does this health care bill impact the rest of the president's agenda? >> it's going to complicate the rest of the president's agenda and it's going to be, i think, impossible now to get a major legislative victory in the first hundred days. i think you've got his supreme court nominee through, mr. gorsuch, but he won't get that big victory he's been looking for. and, you know, both for momentum purposes and also when you look
at the substance of what he must do now, in order to get tax reform, which is next up for him and a big item, the actual substance is going to be much harder to come up, because there's a push among republicans to pay for every dollar in tax reductions, to pay for it in other ways. and they thought they were going to have health care to help to get them there. to make it easier to get there. with health care now gone, it's a much steeper climb to get to tax reform. >> lonnie, did he underestimate the challenges of the details of policies? >> well, certainly, it's the case that when you move from campaigning to governing, the details matter a lot more when you govern. and it is the case, it seems, at least, in a lot of the reporting that for folks in the freedom caucus who opposed the american health care act, they opposed it primarily on policy reasons. now, arguably, they moved the goalposts and they made this negotiation a very difficult one for the president.
but, clearly, the setting and the context for this negotiation, ana, were very different from any other negotiation that donald trump has ever done in his life. and in that sense, this is going to be very much a new exercise for him going forward, as he tries to negotiate the details on something like tax reform, which is no less complicated than health care. >> more than 50 times since obamacare became the law of the land, congressional republicans voted to repeal. yet, when they finally had the house, the senate, and the presidency, there was no plan they could agree on. let's listen to the president speaking from the oval office. >> this is something that certainly was an interesting period of time. we all learned a lot. we learned a lot about loyalty. we learned a lot about the vote-getting process. we learned a lot about some very arcane rules in, obviously, both the senate and in the house. so it's been certainly -- for me, it's a very interesting experience. >> kind of interesting, david,
that the first thing he says he learned about was loyalty. is that code for, i'm taking names here and there could be some payback? >> it does suggest that. and we do know from various news reports that he wanted to seek revenge. he wanted there to be a vote up-front so people who are against him would be publicly identified, shamed, and there would be retaliation. paul ryan talked him out of that. and so far he's been -- there have been no tweets. we've gone a day, saturday, without angry tweets. so that -- so he's been calmer about this. but there's been a lot of finger-pointing, within the white house, there's finger-pointing at speaker ryan, finger-pointing at secretary price, the president's own health care top adviser. there's finger-pointing at the chief of staff priebus. they say that presidents even annoyed at his son-in-law, jared kushner, for being gone, out on the slopes of aspen. >> he was skiing in aspen.
>> a very tough week. >> so a lot of finger pointing. >> lonnie, i think the thing people at home care about is, what does this mean for health care now? those who have obamacare and they don't like it, their premiums are going up. their deductibles are going up. should the president and the republicans be working with democrats to try to come up with a better health care solution? >> i think what they certainly should be doing is they need to be working in particular you cited the individual market. you're absolutely right, going into 2018, we are going to see higher premiums in many markets. we are going to see less choice and plans that simply don't suit people's needs. so it's up to republicans to figure out how they want to deal with this. the reality is, they're going to get stuck with the political fallout here. even though obamacare was not their doing, they have the opportunity to do something about it with this vote, and they didn't. so they are going to have to figure out whether it's through administrative action or, as you
say, potentially working with democrats in the short run, to do something here, because 2018 will not be pretty. it won't be an all at once implosion, but it's going to get worse. almost like a slow-motion car wrek, and i think that's what we're headed towards in 2018. >> lonee, why didn't they do a chunk at a time? >> i think it came down to they wanted to do repeal and replace all at one time. i think that decision ended up being very costly. >> david, i've got to ask you about something you said -- go ahead. go ahead. >> i just want to go back to this. i think this is a really fundamental decision that the administration has to make. and that is, with no bill in prospect on health care, there's not going to be any major legislation in the next year or two. we know that. but the trump administration will be administering the
obamacare act, and the way the act is written, it depends upon the active support of the department of health and human services. that's dr. price, who's the secretary there. so he's got to make a decision, in his administration, is he going to do something to undermine the obamacare, make it more difficult to end this thing, to just throw monkey wrenches into it, to change medicaid rules, for example? have more people uninsured, some of the things that they were going to do in the legislation. or is he going to come around and try to support it? i think it's irresponsible to -- if you're in charm, to walk away from it and have people suffer. but i do think there's a political calculation here, too, that he's got to make. my hope is that the administration will support it, that he'll work with the democrats. but that decision has not yet been made. they're going to have to be very public about which way they're going here. >> that's a really important point that you point out. they have some control over now, over how obamacare continues to be implemented and where
obamacare goes. but, david, you said something yesterday that's caught a lot of attention, that trump had the worst first 100 days of any president. and that was something economists, comedians, even former nixon speechwriter, ben stein, who used to work with you, took issue with. i want you to just listen to this earlier. >> well, i love dave. let me tell you that. he was my boss when i worked for mr. nixon. he's a great, super smart guy, but abraham lincoln had a far worse beginning of his presidency. the 11 southern states seceded, he had to arrest most of the members of the maryland legislature to keep maryland from seceded when the justice of the supreme court said we're going to release them on habeas corpus, he threatened to imprison imprison the justice of the supreme court. so he had a million times worse start. >> what do you think, david? >> i will think the world of ben
stein and have had friendly disagreements before. listen, he's right. lincoln had one heck of a hard time getting started. he didn't have generals to fight skpo and other things like that. but he's put us on the winning road right from the beginning. has president trump put us on the winning road? i don't think you would call it that. go back through history, what about william henry harrison. he got-off o off to an awful std he was so proud he wouldn't wear his coat on inaugural day, on a cold day, caught pneumonia and died. but i think if you look at the presidency in terms of setbacks and positive things, the president has had wins and had that good win on gorsuch. but the losses are massive. and not only this -- last week, his credibility got shattered on wiretapping. tha they've got this investigation underway with a criminal investigation jrnd wunderway reg some of his aides.
we don't know where that's going to go. he lost out on this major legislative hope for the first hundred days, for the first few months of his time in office. you can go down that list. and i would have to say, i think, so far, what we're watching is the worst hundred days, certainly, in modern times. but i think you can make the argument, ben, even about lincoln. >> all right. well, it's not over yet. we're about 65 days in. david gergen and lanhee chen, thank you. president trump defends his wildest and baseless claims saying, i'm president and you're not. that part is true. his new interview with "time" magazine and what it could reveal about his thinking. stay with us. just like the people every business is different. but every one of those businesses will need legal help as they age and grow. whether it be with customer contracts, agreements to lease a space or protecting your work. legalzoom's network of attorneys can help you, every step of the way. so you can focus on what you do
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cnn's senior washington correspondent brianna keilar reports. >> reporter: ana, president trump unveiling a string of untruths as he talked about how he handles the truth in an interview with "time" magazine. ♪ let's start with president trump's explanation of his recent claims that president obama wiretapped him before he entered the white house. a claim that is unfounded and unsupported by almost all democrats and republicans. now, remember this, trump said, when i said wiretapping, it was in quotes, because a wiretapping is, you know, today it is different than wiretapping. it is just a good description. but wiretapping was in quotes. what i'm talking about is surveillance. >> if you look at the president's tweet, he said very clearly, quote, wiretapping, in quotes. >> reporter: well, not exactly. wiretapping was in quotes in this tweet, but look at this one, it's not in quotes. and on surveillance, trump pointed to these comments from devin nunes, the republican chair of the house intelligence committee. >> i recently confirmed that on
numerous occasions, the intelligence community incidentally collected information about u.s. citizens involved in the trump transition. none of this surveillance was related to russia or the investigation of russian activities or of the trump team. >> reporter: that communication seemingly picked up by agencies legally looking at foreign targets. nunes' evidence remains secret. even members of his own committee have yet to see it. and he shoots down trump's original claim. >> just to be clear, there's still no evidence that president trump himself was wiretapped? >> that is correct. that is correct. >> reporter: on trump's false campaign claim that senator ted cruz's father was somehow connected to president kennedy's assassin, trump told "time." that was in the newspaper. i wasn't -- i didn't say that. the newspaper trump refers"the." that's right, the supermarket tabloid. and on trump's untrue assertion that millions of people voted fraudulently, explaining why he
lost the popular vote to hillary clinton by about 3 million ballots, he said, mostly, they register wrong. in other words, for the votes, they register incorrectly and/or illegally, and they then vote. you have tremendous numbers of people, in fact, i'm forming a committee on it. it will be interesting to see if that committee includes the folks who oversee voting practices, secretaries of state, many of whom are republicans. >> as i say about voter fraud, it exists. it's rare. >> reporter: or maybe republican senators? >> i have not seen any voter irregularity in the millions. there's always some on the edges. but i've not seen anything on the millions. i don't know what he was talking about on that one. >> reporter: maybe not. president trump also talked about how he was right that he would win on election night, even though he has said he thought he would lose. and he stuck with his false claim that muslims celebrated on 9/11 in new jersey. at the end of the interview, he essentially dropped the mike. hey, look, in the meantime, i guess, i can't be doing so badly, he said, because i'm president and you're not.
fact check, true, ana. >> indeed. and he did drop the mike with that comment. thanks, brianna. joining me now, cnn political commentator and conservative contributor at the hill, kayleigh mcenany and deen an on dahlia. in his mind, do you think that means he can do no wrong? >> no, i think it means, you know, he's doing pretty well. you know, we've seen these headlines, the worst hundred days ever, which i would argue with me vehemently saying this is one of the best hundred days i've seen as a conservative. i think he's making the point wem everyone's saying i had a bad hundred days. the media is being negative towards the things i've done. but i'm president and the american people obviously like what i put forward, because i'm president of the united states, and i like that's what he's
getting at. >> dean, your reaction? >> i don't think it's going well very him at all. objectively speaking, it's probably the worst week of his presidency. on monday, james comey testifies under oath, we're doing an investigation, potential connections between the trump campaign and russian intelligence agencies and hacking. we don't have evidence of that yet, but we're investigating. approval ratings at all-time lows. and friday, trumpcare doesn't even go to a vote, because donald trump can't get republicans enough to vote for him. usually in donald trump's defense, he had file for bankruptcy at this point, but he can't do that in this scenario. i understand from your point of view as a conservative, i can see what he's doing that conservatives would like. but approval ratings even with independents, he's not doing well there. and at some point donald trump has to espouse views that are beyond the conservative base that really bring people in. >> and the bottom line is, what dean just laid out are facts about what happened this week. you made a comment that you think he's had the best 100 days. how do you see it that way? >> i look and see jobs that are being created. lots of fortune 500 companies
are moving jobs back here. they've announced tens of thousands of jobs, carrier, et cetera, et cetera, we can go on and on. keystone pipeline being built, a huge investment in our economy. the stock market's up. the economy is coming back. but to dean's point, i would argue that he's not being just strictly conservative, he's actually being very moderate. and that's why his health care bill didn't pass. it was a perfect balance between the left and the right, which meant it was unpalatable to the left and unpalatable to the far-right, but it's what the american people needed. i think this is a minor defeat, a minor blip in what was going to get us to the right solution to the american people. >> we can only hope they find something. i think we need a health care revolution. i think we need to go beyond what is known as obamacare and talk about a public option, a federal insurance company, providing coverage for people, or even going to medicaid for all, the idea of single-payer. i think we have to get that discussion. but we're not there yet. donald trump, i don't think he could be doing any worse
objectively and i'm being honest with you. if he doesn't think this is going badly, i'm afraid of what bad is. because this can't be winning. i know donald trump talks about winning all the time. this was a horrible week for him, and it's going week-in, week-out, the travel ban being struck down a second time, i don't know what's going on with the wall of mexico. >> and also upheld by a different federal judge. this is where there's a disconnect between the way people vote and the things that are sometimes sad. the american people, they're not sitting here so concerned about wiretapping claims, was it correct. >> that's because the wiretapping claims were not true. but that goes back to the whole point of this segment, which is about telling the truth. and president trump in the past has called out other people for lying. let's listen. >> hillary clinton and, as you know, she -- most people know, she's a world class liar. when the media lies to people, i will never, ever let them get away with it.
>> they're corrupt. they lie and fabricate stories -- >> lyin' ted cruz. the bible held high. bible -- you ever see a guy lie like this guy? >> so the president sounds like he's putting so much importance on telling the truth, and that lying is so, so bad, kayleigh. but even in that "time" interview, he had a number of untruths. he -- that were falsehoods. how do you square that? >> i don't think the president lies. and i don't like when anyone uses the term "lie" to describe someone else's statement. that means you've discerned what's inside of them and that they're intentionally trying to mislead. and i don't think the president has lied. i know that's a popular narrative to put forward, but i don't think so. and i believe -- >> but when you say things that aren't true, that the facts show otherwise, how is that not a lie? >> look, i don't think he's said anything that wasn't true. let's take the wiretapping claim, for instance. i agree that his tweet was a little too pointed at president
obama, but increasinginglly, we seeing some of what he said corroborated. foreign agents stumbled on trump associates and instead of minimizing the procedures, covering up their names, they transcribed those conversations and disseminated them around -- >> but president trump said that president obama wiretapped him. that is not true, by all of the evidence that's out there. >> well, if it's the obama administration that uncovered people's names in violation of the law, that actually adds a lot of truth to what the president said. >> he called president obama in that tweet "sick or bad." he went right after president obama. at this point, "the wall street journal" this week said if president obama continues to have these problems with the truth, he will be known as a fake president. and i am very anti-trump, but as an american, i want to see my president doing a better job. i think telling us the truth is important. at this point, i almost assume anything he says is not true until proven otherwise. and aisle not the some one on that side. we want a president who tells the truth. we want a president who after
trumpcare fails not lash out at democrats, but take responsibility like paul ryan. i think lying or not, we don't know intent, but at the same time, we're sugarcoating and maybe people on the right say, president trump, stop, you're lying -- >> but there's a complete double standard. >> the perception is that he's not honest. the new poll from quinnipiac says that 60% of people believe he's not honest. >> that's a public perception issue that i think is engendered by large part by the left. i don't understand why the left can come on and say over and over again there's collusion between the trump campaign and russia and no one calls these democratic congressmen liars for suggesting that. adam schiff laid out all of this evidence that did not prove at all there was any sort of collusion, yet we're not going to call him a liar or that narrative a liar, but everyone wants to jump on president trump and saying, wiretapping is not a lie and we have more evidence of the wiretapping, by the way, than of collusion. >> he said again in interview with "time" that on 9/11 thousands of muslims cheered in new jersey. even rudy giuliani, his good
friend, said that was not true. but to continue now, to say this just this week, when you have to know it's not true. either donald trump will never change his view on anything or he doesn't care about the facts. a i want a president i can trust, even if i disagree with horribly. >> there were a lot of republicans saying that about president obama, we want a president we can trust, not someone who uses the irs to basically scrutinize tea party groups, not someone who changed the talking points on benghazi. >> you both are coming back a little bit later. thank you both for your thoughts. appreciate it, good to have you on. coming up, the trump travel ban putting our neighbors to the north on edge, while the largest school district in canada is now ceasing all field trips to the u.s. plus, cut it out. diplomats being told, no more cardboard cutouts of prime minister justin trudeau. the story behind it, next. for unlimited data... othere t-mobile one save you hundreds a year.
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uncertainty over president trump's travel ban has canada's largest school system in toronto taking drastic measures. until further notice, all future trips to the u.s. are halted for students and staff. let's bring in cnn correspondent, paula newton, who's joining me now. paula, this ban includes people from syria, iran, somalia, libya, and sudan. those are the six countries. we know it's tied up in courts right now, so why the concern from those traveling from canada? >> yeah, that's right. it's not even in effect. what's been happening, though, is there has been a lot of nervousness from people born in different countries, even though they have a canadian passport. anecdotall anecdotally. a toronto school board saying a quarter of a million students saying, even though these trips have been going on for decades, we don't want a student or staff member left behind. if you want to look at the comment from john malloy at the toronto district school board,
he said, look, we did not make this decision lightly, but given the uncertainty of these new travel restrictions and when they came into effect, if at all, we strongly believe that our students should not be placed into these situations of potentially being turned away at the border. i mean, ana, you and i as parents can really relate to the kind of chaos that would happen. they just wanted to avoid that whole situation. and again, anecdotally, what you have been hearing from the border is people turned away for apparently no reason. now, homeland security secretary general kelly was here in canada the other week saying, look, it's not because of your race or your religion or your language, if we've stopped you, it's because we have concerns. that comes as cold, comfort, though to organizations like a few school boards and also the girl guides, the equivalent of american girl scouts, they've also canceled all field trips to the united states. >> interesting, i know your own son is scheduled to go on a school trip to washington right now because this decision doesn't necessarily apply to trips that were previously approved or scheduled.
so how much anxiety has there been among parents? >> you know, there's a lot. i can tell you just what i got on my e-mail from parents, and they are really scared. some of us are kind of thinking that maybe it would be nice if some parents even tagged along at the border in case somebody gets left behind. the teachers and the administration trying to reassure everyone. but i know that these are conversations going on right across canada. and what's really interesting, too, ana, is that the sporting events, some kids really want to go to the united states to compete in sporting events with, and they're not being allowed to. >> before i let you go, i want to ask you about this rather bizarre story, canadian diplomats in the u.s. told to stop bringing cardboard cutouts of prime minister justin trudeau to embassy events. so what's the story there? >> bizarre stories, inviting justin trudeau, cardboard cutouts, what are you talking about?! this is happening and apparently these things are available on amazon. i have not tried to order one myself. i mean, look, global affairs
canada, the equivalent of the state department thought, look, our prime minister is very popular. these would be great, people have been taking selfies and posting them online. i mean, people in the government thought, okay, wait a minute, this may not be prime ministerial. they said, look, to use a term, cut it out. no more using these cardboard cutouts of our prooils. you know, i have my suspicions that it's also because of costs, but that's my own suspicion. i can't prove that. >> you see the risk with what people can then do with these cutouts and then post them in different places. that there could be
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this is cnn breaking news. >> you're live in the cnn newsroom. i'm ana cabrera in new york. thanks for being with us. we begin with breaking news. right now the u.s. military is looking at some very serious allegations that american warplanes on missions to destroy isis in iraq dropped bombs that may have killed hundreds of civilian people in the northern city of mosul. that charge comes from a local official on the ground in iraq. we know u.s. central command as confirmed air strikes did happen in this area but they are now investigating the specific days when as many as 200 civilians were reportedly killed. military officials are not ruling out the possibility that isis fighters intentionally surrounded themselves with civilians using them as human shields. a few minutes ago we got a full update on what we know so far from cnn's pentagon correspondent barbara starr. let's listen. >> good evening, ana. it's a confusing picture, it's very serious. the u.s. military