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trapped a lot of buildings and built underground tunnels which could cause a lot of civilian casual casualties. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. erin burnet out front starts right now. breaking news, the chairman of the house intel committee under fire tonight. to the secret source. and is he doing president trump's bidding? jared kushner agreeing to testify about his meetings with russia russians. who did he speak to and why. what is dick cheney is saying is an act of war. good evening. we begin out front with the bnz tonight. the top democrat on the house intelligence committee calling for the top republican of that committee to recuse himself from any further involvement in the russia investigation. the republican congressman, the chairman who is leading an
investigation into russian meddling in the election spoke out to cnn moments ago. he's under intense fire for his handling of that investigation for behavior that has times veered into the bizarre. he was on white house grounds last week getting classified information. he says he saw classified documents that he got from an unnamed source indicating some of trump's communications may have been picked up spying on foreign nationals. moments ago speaking he insisted he has done nothing wrong by this visit to the white house. >> we have to go to the executive brafrnch to read classified intelligence. that could be the white house grounds, it could be the white house. it could be the pentagon. there's a number of places we go. the congress has not been given
this information, these documents. that's the problem. there's no way for the folks that i have been working with to actually to bring this forward to light. there was no way i could view that because they couldn't get to the house intelligence committee. >> of course he was responding to a question saying there are these classified rooms on capitol hill, why couldn't you view the data there. it came from the executive branch. still no answer as to why if the information resides within the exa executive branch why people like donald trump wouldn't have access to it already. the intelligence committee seems to be breaking down tonight with this massive split between the ranking member and the chairman. >> reporter: that's right. the congressman insisting he did nothing when he briefed president trump last week before his committee democrats because he said that information that was picked upped nothing to do with the issue of russia, but he did get into hot water also by cancelling a tuesday public
hearing on russia meddling and he wanted to instead have a private classified briefing with james comey and the nsa director, but those -- a briefing tomorrow cancelled raising questions about whether the house intelligence committee be move forward. house intelligence chairman facing growing questions about whether he compromised his committee's investigation by briefing president trump last week on intelligence he obtained through a secret source. >> i've been working this for a long time with different sources and needed a place that i could actually finally go because i knew what i was looking for and i could get access to what i needed to see. i'm sure that people in the west wing had no idea i was there. i go over there a lot. i go over there often for meetings and briefings. >> reporter: today he revealed he met his source last week on white house grounds to review the information. a government official said he was seen tuesday at the national security council offices where
classified information can be viewed securely. >> what he is doing is obstructing the investigation. the president made a claim that is proved to not be true. he's helping the president. >> reporter: the revelation put the white house on the defensive after sean spicer said this last week when asked if the information came from the white house. >> it doesn't really pass the smell test. >> reporter: spicer could not rule out that someone on the white house staff may have authorized him to review the information, but the house investigation is starting to break down along partisan lines with democrats criticizing nunez. >> without further ado, speaker ryan should replace the chairman. >> reporter: he has still to present the committee with intelligence showing that some trump team communications had been picked up and some individuals had their identities unmasked by the intelligence community. he is giving shifting explanations about what the
information he has reviewed actually reveals. >> was the president trump also part of that incidental collection, his communications, yes, they were, yes. >> you said that the president's communications were incidentally collected, but you said it's possible. >> i don't know the answer to that. >> you don't know if the president's -- >> i know there was incidental collection regarding the president elect and his team. >> reporter: then later in the week he was asked if trump officials were monitored or simple mentioned. >> we won't know that until we actually receive all the documentati documentation. >> reporter: he is getting support from speaker paul ryan whose spokesperson issued a statement that he supports the chairman staying on the committee and on the senate side republicans are distancing
themselves from the house investigation saying they're doing their own work and they believe they will do it the right way. >> pretty damning words to use. thank you. i want to go to evan perez because the question is what is this information that this top secret information that chairman was able to get. you've been talking to your sources. what is the working theory about what right about what nunes is talking about when he's talking about incidental collection? >> the leading theory among officials i've been talking and chairman nunes has not given them any information, but one of the things that they believe this could be is the collection that the u.s. intelligence agencies do on foreign leaders and their staff. these are foreign countries that are routinely monitored as part of u.s. surveillance and its intelligence collection and we're talking about the leaders
of israel, of taiwan and russia. we know they had calls for the president elect, the incoming president, to talk to those foreign leaders. you have interaction there and the u.s. would retunely pick up the the communications of those people. if they were communicating with each other and talking about the trump transition, talking about the new president trump, this is stuff that the u.s. would pick up and analysts would look at this and perhaps summarize it for an intelligence report. we know a couple of different instances during the trump transition that raised questions. one of them was the time that president trump intervened with egyptian leaders and israeli leaders about this u.n. vote on israel if you remember. the second one was when president trump the in coming
president took a phone call from the taiwan leader. >> he didn't do it through the traditional state department ways. it was off the cuff. thank you very much. i want to go now to the democratic congressman who sits on the intelligence committee. let me start out with you here. is the house intelligence committee investigation into russia meddling in the 2016 election falling apart right now? >> well, obviously actions taken by the chairman have compromised the investigation and also i think compromised his ability to lead the investigation. i agree with ranking member that chairman nunes should recuse himself from this information. all of us on the democratic side believe this should be handled outside of congress. if the speaker is not going to do that and it is going to be lead in the house by the intelligence committee, somebody else should lead it. >> you know the speaker is
defending chairman nunes tonight. chuck schumer seemed to go further than the ranking member when he said chairman nunes should be removed. unclear whether he was trying to say more than just recusing from this investigation or further than that. would you go further than just having him recuse himself from the russia investigation? has he become too negative of a presence to be on the committee for that? >> well, the actions that i've seen him take relate to the investigation with russia and also the leaks which we're supposed to be investigating also. when i say he should recuse himself, i'm speaking specifically that part of the investigation. there are many other issues that the intelligence committee deals with aside from this investigation, so at this point i'm not speaking to those. i'm concerned with this investigation in front of us. >> do you think you can as house intelligence committee -- i know you would prefer it be done as an independent commission, but
can you actually move ahead with this at this point with this russia investigation? >> well, we're committed to moving aahehead with if if that what the majority decides we're going to do. we're not going to walk away from the russian investigation. we would prefer an independent commission, but if they insist on doing it through the house, we're going to be there to make sure it gets done. >> i want to ask you about what nunes says happened. he said he was there to see information in a classified room. there are classified rooms on capitol hill. he says, though, those rooms would not have had servers and they would not have been able to see the information that was only available in the executive branch. does that add up to? >> it all seems very strange the fact that he hasn't disclosed who called him that evening to meet up and he hasn't shown the documents to the members of the committee either republicans or democrats. the fact that he went to the white house with this information before going to the
ranking member or any members of the committee. he went to the media and held a press conference before doing any of that. all of that just doesn't add up. >> so when will wolf asks the chairman why he couldn't view this information in a classified location on capitol hill, i wanted to play his exact answer and see if you can understand it. here he is. >> the congress has not been given this information, these documents and that's the problem. so because this is executive branch, it was distributed widely through the executive branch. >> he was saying it was widely distributed through the exactive branch and yet not widely enough that no one close to the president knew about it. does this make sense to you or do you have concern that he is trying to shield the president, help the president or coordinate with the president? >> my concern and the concern of many others is that he's crossed the line to become either an advocate for the president or a
political protector for the president. he was part of his transition team. i understand for members of congress there is a inclination to help a president of your party, but when you're leading this sensitive investigation that includes members of president trump's team who are the subjects of this investigation, you simply can't do that. you're not just another member of congress who is going to rally behind your president. you have to be able to separate yourself from that. >> and congressman, has he shared any of this information that he went and then shared with the president of the united states you're obviously on the committee, right? you're support of this investigation. has he told you what's in it? >> no. we still have not seen anything. the last word we got last week is that it would be presented to us at some point, but as you know there was a tuesday hearing, an open hearing that's been called off. i believe our thursday hearing in closed session has been called off now. so we have no hearings this week.
so we haven't seen any of that evidence. >> so i don't know if you heard evan perez our justice reporter before you came on. he was saying that a working theory is that what it was was that these calls that trump made during the transition as chairman nunes said all of these interceptions were in transition, that they were the world leaders that trump was calling during that time and he was not doing so through traditional channels, that it may have been surveillance of those leaders that was picked up when trump perhaps had those conversations. does that theory make sense to you? >> well, i haven't seen anything, but certainly that's possible if he was talking to these world leaders and again as even the chairman pointed out that would be a legitimate intelligence collection and so if there was something that he is claiming was inany farrus or should be a concern to the
president or the country, he has to put that evidence forward. what's so strange is that the white house and the president should have already known that information without the chairman of the intelligence committee coming forward. >> it's in the executive branch. you don't understand how that works either? >> no. and that's why it makes it seem like it's a political volley going back and forth. it seems as though the white house was asking him to step up and be the one to announce there's this information out there that essentially validates the tweets that you put out at 5:00 in the morning and perhaps he did that. again, i don't know that for sure, but i think that given the way things have gone down it's quite possible. >> all right. i appreciate it. good to have you on. >> thank you. out front next, our continuing coverage of this breaking story. trump's son-in-law agreeing to talk to senate investigators about his ties to russia and tonight, new details about a meeting with a top russian banker and jared kushner.
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jared kushner tonight? >> reporter: the white house is down playing this saying that jared kushner has nothing it hide and there was nothing inappropriate and that's why he's volunteered to appear in front of the senate intelligence committee to clear up misconception. we didn't know about these interactions he had with russian officials until this week. we knew he met with that russian ambassador, but we're learning he had a conversation with the head of a russian state owned bank, a bank we should point out was under sanction by the obama administration and that bank confirming the meeting took place sometime in 2016, but they aren't offering too many specifics other than to say this was a road show effort by the bank to meet with business leaders around the world to pitch their future business prospe
prospects. >> thank you very much. now let's go to former donald trump campaign strategist and democratic congressman and care of the democratic committee and cnn reporter and the former chief of staff to the vice president and our senior political analyst. jared kushner is going to testify before senators who are looking at the ties between russia and the trump campaign. we know he had meetings with the russian ambassador and we have learned that he met with a russian state development bank during the campaign. this is -- i don't know what the right word to use is. he's more than a senior adviser. how big of a deal is this? >> it's a big deal. donald trump wants us to be talking on cnn about jobs created, walls built, laws passed. instead every single day the media is talking about this continued murkiness with the russians.
this new revelation that jared kushner met with the ambassador. that doesn't bother me as much as the fact that he met with gorgov, the leader of a bank that is under u.s. sanctions. can you imagine what the outcry would be among republicans on capitol hill had hillary clinton won this election and chelsea clinton met representing the clinton foundation with the head of a bank that was under sanctions. the impeachment proceedings would have started already. >> if i can, the clinton foundation, while secretary clinton met with lots of folks with questionable ties and questionable groups, so to pull on congressman's thread there, what do you think happened between jared and the representative of the bank. >> we don't know. that's why the son-in-law of the president of the united states and a member of the white house
staff jared kushner is going to go to a senate intelligence committee and testify. we should -- >> there's -- >> don't dispute that. >> the problem with this whole situation is again the congressman's point unfortunately we keep talking about this russia fake news leak story because democrats lost the election and they don't have a real reason to say why they lost. they're going to try to blame the russians. >> on the issue of the investigation, we're learning tonight they don't know for sure the house intelligence committee investigation could be falling apart. graham could be calling for an independent committee. is that the direction this is going to move? >> yeah, i think so. i'm pretty astonished what happened with nunes. there are logs.
you have to be cleared into the white house just like to get into the cnn building someone has to call down and you have to have your name on a list. that is a discoverable fact. computers do preserve this information and that's a publicly available fact. i believe the public has the right to know who clears who into the white house. so who cleared nunes into the white house? you can't just open the door. >> that's the classified room. >> classified information facility. who helped him logged on to the white house computer and who showed him classified information. the fact he has classified information doesn't mean he can see anything he wants. did that staffer report this to his boss. if some mid level person had met with a congressman and shown him classified stuff in our secure room without letting me know, the guy would have been fired.
you can't do that. there's a huge problem in the white house itself and i think reince priebus has a responsible to find out who was this. >> nunes has done an excellent job of undermining his own investigation because the fact that the ranking member came out and said he should recuse himse himself, the intelligence committee is not usually a committee that bleeding over into the senate and they're trying to keep this on the straight and narrow. however, because of how the house process has been it's starting to hurt their investigation. it's curious what he's doing at this point. he really kind of is making the case for a special investigation. >> and shouldn't the white house have said we're going to get to the bottom of who did this. instead i think it's clear trump was so happy to hear about it, by the way, there's still the confusion as to when the information resided in the
executive branch which it had to go to congress and come back in, he was happy about what he heard. they weren't eager to run down the leak. >> not only this moment, but i think we need to pause for one second and look at where we are right now. you have a president that is 60 days shy of his first term. you have four people who are close to him at varying levels who are going to have to testify before congress about potential treasonus acts. this is unprecedented though. >> he said potentially. >> you're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. paul manafort had represented the ukrainian president. we know that the national security adviser talked to the ambassador. we have an adviser who was really not an adviser who the
president said he never met who is the -- >> what mark said was if there was collusion, that would be treason. >> let me put a quick period on this. what i'm saying is that this would be very easy quite frankly to just kind of wipe away had president trump come out and said i want to get to the bottom of this, let's open up the books, i'm going to tell you everything i know and quite frankly we're going to work together with congress and we wouldn't be sidetracked. that's all i'm saying at this point. >> which is why we need an independent commission at this point. you have to be above all reproach and an independent commission would take us there. >> we're going to hit pause because you're coming back in a moment. the reality of course is this is all in the context of the fact that trump has failed to deliver on his crucial promise to repeal and replace obamacare on day one. what are his loyal supporters saying now. what is dick cheney calling
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new tonight the house speaker at the white house just a short time ago had a one on one meeting with president trump. this comes as republicans are trying to recover with the disastrous health care bill. sean spicer saying this isn't the end for health care, but he said the president knows when to walk away from a bad deal. >> i think the president understood that while you can get a deal at the time, that sometimes a bad deal is worse than getting a deal and i think he smartly recognized what was on the table was not going to be keeping with the vision that he had. >> today as the blame game plays out in washington we asked people who voted for trump who they blame. >> reporter: in washington president trump's health care loss is being called a disaster, but in this trump strong hold the word most used often is
disappointment. >> i'm disappointed they didn't have a plan going forward. it wasn't something they had prepared for like he said for seven years. >> certainly it's a disappointing, but just what i know about this bill, it did not get support from the majority of the congress. >> having seven years to come up with a plan probably should have done a better job. >> reporter: there's no gloom and doom here. no talk of abandoning ship. >> who if anyone gets the blame. >> plenty of people will be pointing fingers at each other and i don't know if that's productive. >> do you blame anyone. >> no, not at all. >> reporter: rather than blame they prefer to frame the failure as a positive. >> i like to view this as a lesson learned instead of a failure. >> he's learning. so no, i give him some grace on this. >> reporter: the president learned how deep the swamp
really is and we'll find the right way to preserve the art of the deal. >> reporter: he sold himself as being the deal maker. >> paul ryan failed to bring together groups. >> you don't see this as a failure of the president. you see this as a failure of the job of the speaker of the house. >> i do. >> reporter: that's bob gray. he's running for congressman to replace tom price who tom appointed secretary of health and human services and the others agree. >> i think paul ryan did a good thing pulling it versus failing. >> reporter: that was the tactic. >> sure. could he have been better prepared what the decision was going to be, that was a mistake. >> reporter: should he step down. >> no. >> reporter: should he step down? >> i think we need to give this another chance. i think this is the number one priority. it's about credibility for leadership. >> reporter: there is one point which they all disagree with the president, the affordable care
act should not be allowed to explode. >> i think there's an opportunity to get this right and they should stay focused on it. >> health care reform is not dead. it should come back at some point during his presidency. >> reporter: as for their faith in donald trump? does what happened friday change in any way your feelings about the president, your support of the president? >> no. >> no. >> reporter: does this in in he way change your feelings or support for the president of the united states? >> no. >> absolutely not. >> it does not for me. >> reporter: two very different groups, but they all support the president. what's interesting when i asked them how do they feel about the m moderates and members of the freedom caucus, they're not happy with those groups because they say combined with paul ryan they did what these voters voted against, politics. they saw it as back room
politicking which they cannot stand which is why they voted for donald trump. they did not like people getting in trump's way when it came to repeal and reform. >> thank you. my panel is back with manage e. they saw it as a failure, but something to learn from. they blame somebody else, not trump. >> none of that is really surprising. i think what we've seen from trump supporters all along even as we've seen donald trump stumble in some ways is that they are very attached to this president. they want to see him succeed. they obviously voted for him and they agree with his populus agenda and we'll see where he goes from here. of course, he signaled on friday he was done with the repeal and replace efforts. he wanted to move on to tax reform. you saw from the white house today moderation in terms of that. you heard sean spicer say they'd been getting calls from democrats and republicans about health care. so this idea that as president
that donald trump can step back and let it as he said implode and then explode and then do something later, i imagine that won't sit well with his voters, but americans who might be on the sort of negative side of that if they're premiums go up. he would have to deal with that. >> congressman rn, what do you e of how loyal these supporters were? they're not blaming him and that's crucial when you talk about his political capital he has, they are not blaming him. >> you are right. i shared the democratic congressional campaign committee every four years. i was obsessed with voters like that. i spent a good part of today speaking with former colleagues on both sides of the aisle about how they go forward. house republicans have a lot of anxiety about the upcoming mid term election and the fact their base will be disparted and turnout will be dampened.
watching that interview will give them more anxiety. what we've learned about trump voters is they are loyal to him. they are not loyal to house republicans which means at the end of the day friday was more of a problem, more of a risk, more of a threat to house republicans than to donald trump. >> this is an interesting point. what about trump himself? because he -- the art of the deal. you heard someone mention that there. you brags about how wonderful he is at deal making constantly. we heard it on the campaign trail again and again. >> reporter: i do dea >> i do deals. i deal. i have tremendous energy. i will make lots of great deals. i would renegotiate so of everything. i want to make good deals for this country. we don't make great deals anymore, but we will once i become president. >> so david, what does he do because when it kacame to healt care he failed to make a deal. you can blame whoever you want to blame, but there is no deal.
>> i agree with congressman israel. the trump voters are going to see this as a failure by house republicans, not by the president. the president put his muscle into this, put his shoulder to the wheel. tried to get the folks to come to the table. you can't make people negotiate when they don't want to negotiate. i lay this at the foot of the speaker. this should have been negotiated long before january 20th. >> you're right. they did have seven years. >> exactly. look, since november 9th we knew we were going to have majorities in the house and senate and have the president so the notion that the tuesday group and the freedom caucus weren't pulled together in a room to sit down and hammer out a compromise is -- it defies politics 101. >> to do what he wants to do,
health care, tax reform, here is the problem health care did take a toll on him. his approval rating went down to 36%. that is a low. you have his supporters they may stick with him but 36% is not a number that gets democrats to think they have to work with you or the freedom caucus to say i have to work with this guy. >> the freedom caucus showed they don't need him at all. marc mark meadows was welcomed back in his district as a hero. tax reform is more complicated than health care. >> yet, here's the other problem. he can't get the conversation to turn to these things because it keeps coming back to russia. today you have the former vice president dick cheney whom you know well weighing on this saying it's a big deal. it isn't something to be pushed aside. >> there was a very serious effort made by mr. putin and his
government and his organization to interfere in major ways with our basic fundamental democratic processes. in some quarters that would be considered an act of war. >> an act of war. >> if you were a normal president and you take over and hostile powers intervene in the election, clearly messed around through wikileaks and other ways in the election and then there are charges about some of your advisors, what do you do? you say we have to get to the bottom of this. i've asked the retired senators and lawyers and experts, they have to clear this up and he doesn't. he's not cleared it up at all and why not. >> that's a legitimate question. >> those are two good names that could step in. somebody who is beloved by the right and john kyle and joe lieberman who can walk the middle.
why hasn't he cleared it up? we have no idea. i would like to think he hasn't cleared it up because of his ego. >> on the other hand maybe he's worried about what people would find. >> that's concerning. >> paul manafort and michael flynn. if he thinks nothing wrong was done why did he fire his national security advisor within 30 days. >> do we get this independent commission that you have a republican calling for. >> it's a drip, drip, drip, almost every day on this thing and the trump administration hasn't at all been proactive on this. they basically react to whatever is in the paper. you have republicans who want to go after the leakers rather than look at the substance of a lot of leaks that are coming out on this. in the meantime this is contributing to sort of the chaos and uncertainty. not only in the stock market, but also on capitol hill where this goes. if you're a democrat thinking
about working with administration why would you want to with this cloud hanging over this administration. >> thanks to all. you have eight days in a row of stocks dropping. trump has been proud of and obviously taking a hit because of health care and other things. why ted cop el says shawn hannity is bad to his face and donald trump making a visit to one of his own golf courses. does he no longer stand by this. >> honestly, obama ought to get off the golf course and get down there. r miss an early morning market. but with my back pain i couldn't sleep or get up in time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. and now. i'm back! aleve pm for a better am.
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koppel who has come out and said this to shawn hannity's face. >> if you're a fox news watcher todd c ted koppel this is something he would say. i think what ted koppel was getting at there was sort of what has gone on with republican party and how that has made it that much harder to get stuff done. when you have that kind of echo chamber and we've seen some of this on the left. on the right with fox when you see fox perfect as it has this echo chamber, when you see members of congress no longer really worried for the most part about swing voters because their districts are drawn in such a way where they can do that feedback loop right off the constituencies on fox, there is no more incentive when you have
that kind of feedback loop to build the coalitions you need to govern successfully. >> how does shawn hannity see it? does he see his job as entert n entertainentertai entertainentertai entertainer or does he think some of the things he says defending trump that are not true does he see that as news? >> first of all, i think he sees himself as a hero. i think he sees himself as a hero for the common man who has been forgotten or at least was forgotten until donald trump came around. really i think this is sort of blinded him to as ted koppel said facts. i think he's put ideology ahead of facts. perhaps he's put his own ego and reputation as this hero ahead of the facts. to your first question about whether or not this matters that moment between ted koppel and shawn hannity, there was a time when it probably would have mattered and a time when
americans had a common narrative where there were highly estefig that people would listen to that. now we exist in silos now. >> what's interesting is you have shawn han tanity as the opinion k opiniona kel of it char. over the weekend the president put out a tweet to watch fox news, at the top of that program, he puts this tweet out and says watch it. the host defends trump on health care, slaps paul ryan. here she is. >> paul ryan needs to step down as speaker of the house. the reason, he failed to deliver
the votes on his health care bill. >> the president's team said they didn't she was going . >> well, i would be surprised if they didn't have something going on between the white house and fox news that she may be doing this. but let's take them at their word that they had no idea. first of all, why is the president of the united states taking time to promote a show on fox news? usually he does that when he's appearing on an interview. that's not even the case here, he was simply just promoting the show. and my question is why is that a valuable use of president trump's time on saturday. but obviously she began the show the way she did, it calls into question whether she's representing the views of the
white house. >> and he just watches a lot of news and gets his information from news, he's not sitting there reading bills or papers or policy. >> he sort of lives inside of the media and there's this great discrepancy between all of the anti-media rhetoric that we have seen coming out of trump in his campaign for president and now as president, the discrepancy about that and he loves the limelight, he loves the attention, and he spends all of his time looking at how he's being covered. >> and when you go to the white house, there is a lock, it is safe, but not at mar-a-lago, but why not? staff meeting. noon? eating. 3:45? uh, compliance training.
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very. almost every three days since taking office, he's stopped by a trump building, donald trump hotel or donald trump resort according to a breakdown by "the washington post." and he's been to golf courses so many times his press secretary is playing defense. >> on a couple of occasions, he's actually conducted meetings there, he's had phone calls, so just because he's headed there doesn't mean that's what happening. >> reporter: democrats are pushing for legislation demanding visitor logs for places like mar-a-lago resort. >> i'm a good golfer, believe it or not. >> it's also presenting a big pr problem, when barack obama was president, no one was more critical of his time spent golfing than donald trump. >> he played more golf last year than tiger woods. >> the candidate went after the chief executive for going
golfing before going to the flood zone. >> and honestly, obama ought to get off the golf course and get down there. >> reporter: and candidate donald trump insisted that if he won the election, he might never see his own golf courses again. >> i love golf, but if i was in the white house, i don't think i would play golf again, i don't think i would see mar-a-lago again because i just do not want to leave the white house. >> reporter: president trump has visited golf courses 13 times already and while he does not reveal if he's playing or with whom, it's clearly happening enough to shred his campaign claim. >> i'm not going to have time to go play golf. >> reporter: for all of that, democrats' effort to force more disclosure on this, unless republicans get on board, trump will put it in the hole from 200 yards out.
>> we should have a record of those kinds of things, that's just the way it should be. on a much lighter note this evening, president trump on winning. here's jeanne mos. >> reporter: when critics make fun of trump losing, their favorite argument is him boasting about winning. >> you're going to get bored with winning, you're going to get so sick and tired of winning. >> america, are you tired of winning yet? this winning, winning, winning. >> reporter: so when exactly does the winning start? followed by a list of trump set backs. the parody account for cdonald . rump, i'm getting sick of winning. >> it's too much winning, we can't take it anymore. >> reporter: and shake his head.
you know, there is one other guy who made winning his catch phrase, though it ended up catching up with him. >> wow, winning. winning. starting to get the concept now. >> duh, winging. >> reporter:down what else isn't winning? speaking at the white house with something in your teeth. detailed another, it's appropriate that @presssec bothers -- when spicer wore his flag pin upside down, also not winning, the little portable desk. >> this is the smallest desk i have ever seen. >> reporter: the president had to use to sign bills in the roosevelt room, not quite as small as the one president baldwin was relegated to on
"snl." on this matter, size matters and on winning is how he sizes himself up. >> please, mr. president, we don't want to win anymore. you're driving us crazy. >> jeane moos, new york. thanks as always for joining us, you can catch the show any time on cnngo. anderson is next. we begin tonight with breaking news, tonight the ranking democrat of the white house intelligence committee adam schiff is going to recuse himself from the investigation of investigating russian ties to the trump campaign. earlier congressman nunes explained that he was on the white house grounds before he met with president trump about the wiretapping allegations. defended his decision to go to president trump directly with the