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american intelligence called the bank chief a spy. jared kushner set to testify in front of the house intelligence committee. >> if the president puts russian salad dressing on his salad tonight, somehow that's a russian connection. >> and first lady melania trump at the white house reception tonight. what role can she play in a white house under siege? let's begin with this hour with jared kushner's meeting with the russian bank and his ties to putin. i want to bring in my guests. good evening, gentlemen. thank you so much for coming on. michael, we learned jared kushner is going to testify to a senate intelligence committee. the committee is going to want
to ask him why he met with sergei gorkov, the head of the russian bank, when it was under economic sanctions. >> gorkov not just the head of any bank. putin wanted someone with, quote, a law enforcement background. he graduated from the kgb finishing academy. he's had a cv in personnel departments, in various banks he's worked for. prior to this, he worked with one of putin's closest associates from his days in same pet -- st. petersburg.
t running on wall street trying to hoover analysts and confidential information. it's not even this bank is under sanctions. the head of the bank is kgb. one of those senior executives in new york was arrested for being kgb. did jared kushner know about this? >> we don't know. we don't know if he was knowledgeable of it or what they spoke about. wouldn't you think, david k. johnson, if you're going to do this, right, and you're going to be in the inner circle of the highest levels in government, shouldn't you know all these figures? shouldn't you do your homework about these figures? >> jared kushner's behavior is
so reckless, so thoughtless. it is inconceivable he has access to the president and secrets in the white house. this is just beyond belief. this bank is a front for russian efforts to undermine other countries' economics. it had a nest of spies in it, as michael just pointed out, so kushner's behavior here is beyond belief, moronic, even if you assume benign. this is further evidence that there are questions about whether the president of the united states is loyal to the united states or has divided loyalties in all of his actions. >> yeah. matthew, you know russia. you know russia well. are you surprised by this and by the extent of these contacts between the trump team and russia? >> well, notwithstanding that i agree with both what michael and david said. i actually think the white house's decision to allow kushner to testify before the
senate select committee could be a very positive development. and senator warner put it very well when he said if they have nothing to hide, then this is an opportunity to get it right. and if there's some intelligence there that needs to be followed, then they should follow it. so the committee needs to ask three types of questions. first, how did jared kushner represent himself in this meeting with mr. gorkov? did he represent himself as a member of the transition team or as an executive from kushner companies? and if the latter, did they actually talk business? the second fact that they have to establish at the committee is whether jared kushner was aware that the bank was under sanction, and if so, why did he go ahead and have that meeting? and did they actually talk about sanctions during the course of their discourse? and thirdly, if they did discuss
sanctions or maybe even if they didn't discuss it explicitly, was there signaling going on about future economic cooperation between a trump administration and the russian government? so these are the things that the intelligence committee needs to look at. and again, if the meeting was nothing, if it was just part of a road show, then we'll know that. if on the on the other hand there was something that constituted an effort to build a relationship around sanctions, then we need to be aware of that as well. >> but michael, all you have to do is google gerkov. that will tell people like jared kushner if they're looking who is around him. >> i think i said the last time i was on the show it's not like russian intelligence operatives go around with a post-it on their shoulder that says, hello, i'm an operative from moscow
center. putin himself has said this at one point. the way it works is you get your mark. you get your target to disclose information unwittingly. even if the context of an innocuous conversation, he might have let something slip about where the president-elect's mind was at or their future ties with respect to russia would be, which would be fed directly back to moscow center. all of the russian state institutions, particularly the financial institutions, are arms of the russian foreign ministry. they export corruption. they export influence. they try to engineer crises such as in the ukraine. >> so the white house says nothing of importance was discussed, but maybe, matthew,
the white house didn't realize that something important actually was discussed, as michael says, and any information was fed right back to russia. >> they may not have realized what they were stepping into with this meeting. you know, we're all getting educated now at the nature and scope of the role of russia's state-owned enterprises not only in their own economy, but in their foreign policy. and it's been clear for sometime, as michael mentioned, that russia is exporting a model of economic growth which is based on state control of the economy. and under putin, the role of the state has actually grown over the past 16 years, and the russian state now owns more than 50% of the market capitalization of the stock market in russia. and so due to what is basically a failure to modernize, an inability to compete in global markets, and a desire to
maintain a system of self-enrichment in the kremlin, russia has begun to use state-owned enterprises throughout abroad, throughout western europe, and they may have started to bring them here to the united states as a way of, you know, potentially corrupting foreign elites. and this mechanism works for them, and i think the white house must now be much more aware of the risks of just having any kind of business meeting because there is no such thing. >> i just wonder, david, if this is willful ignorance. it is all about deals, deals, deals instead of learning about foreign policy and players. during the election, he said, i never tried to use leverage over me. russia has never tried to use leverage over me. i've never had anything to do with russia. no deals, no loans, no nothing. what do we know about the ties
between the trump family and russia? when you're running a government or you plan on running a government, it is not the same thing. >> no, it's not. and the careful thing to watch for, don, is that trump keeps saying i have nothing to do with russia. he doesn't say russians. putin operates through the oligarchs who are a network of government-sponsored international criminals who are out to loot and disrupt the west. they have done it through a bank deal. they have done these massive money laundering schemes through new york and cypress and deutsche bank. the question i would add is what other bankers were you meeting with. did other bankers come to you? why were you conducting meetings with bankers during this period of time? and why did you want to meet at all with a bank that is under sanctions by the u.s. government? did that ever occur to you that
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the first lady melania trump appearing at the white house reception tonight. kate bennett joins us and richard painter, who was chief white house ethics lawyer under president george w. bush. tonight the first lady and the president hosted a reception for first families and their spouses. >> i think we have to take the first lady at her word. she said she's going to be private. she said she's living in manhattan with her son until he finishes school. in many cases it is sort of like seeing a unicorn when she does appear. at the same time, she has sort of stuck to what she said she was going to do. she's a private person. she puts her son and her family first. she'll make it here when she can, but again we're coming off of michelle obama who everyone saw all the time, was very
vocal, very boisterous, had a strong message. everyone felt like we knew her. this is a very different situation, especially right now before a full-time move to washington. >> well, the question is do you think we're going to begin to see more of her because it's been said that she's going to move to washington. i say that because tomorrow she is going to be the special guest at the international women of courage award ceremony at the state department. as you just said, unlike her husband, the first lady has done everything that she's said she's going to do. >> given the benefit of the doubt, it is unconventional to have a first lady that's not in the white house. we haven't seen her in washington since march 16th. i think she's dipping her toe in. she hired a communications director just yesterday. she's building her staff. we'll probably see her for sure at the big easter egg roll next
month on april 17th. they unveiled the official white house easter eggs today and they're gold naturally. >> shocking. >> i think we're going to see a little bit more as things progress here. >> the first lady has not been a central part of this administration so far, but let's talk about the other members of the first family have been played a big role, specifically ivanka and her husband jared kushner. as we've been talking about, there is a pspotlight on jared kushner for meeting with sergei g gerkov. jared kushner's testimony about this meeting will be a private interview likely under oath. what do you think of that? >> well, i am very much hoping he's going to answer the questions and answer them truthfully. i don't understand why he's meeting with this bank. it's not the type of bank you go down to get a mortgage or a regular commercial loan.
everybody knows these russian banks are very closely aligned with the russian government. and if the trump transition team and now the president say if they're trying to distance themselves with russia, i think the last thing you do is have a meeting with this russian bank. i hope there's some honest answers. i also hope there's some honest -- >> go on. >> -- honest answers about what ivan ivanka's role is going to be. she's in the west wing of the white house. she's going to get a security clearance, and she's going to be doing government work. she is a government employee. the white house is taking a ridiculous position when they say that she's not a government employee, not subject to the ethics rules and the conflict of interest statutes. i think her lawyers are telling her she is subject to the conflict of interest statutes and she better observe them. i hope they are because that's
the law. >> even if she doesn't think she is, she is. if she does something ethical, she has to face the music for it. >> absolutely. that's why the white house ought to come clean on this right now and say she is a government employee and stop playing games with i vvanka. it's not worth it. >> watch this. >> well, i have no idea what that was about, and it doesn't sound like it was something that was done pursuant to the normal duties that somebody in a transition position would engage in. i have a feeling that it related to financial issues since it involved a russian bank. >> so he's talking about the meeting. he's talking about jared kushner during a transition period. would intelligence or law enforcement officials brief kushner about taking a meeting like this? the bank has been under u.s.
sanctions for almost three years. >> i would think so. as they say, everybody knows the russian banks, a lot of them, are very closely aligned with the russian government. i cannot imagine how anyone high up in the transition team with the president would go and meet with these russian banks without finding out everything they can about them before. there's something going on here. i have no idea what it is. i just hope he answers the questions truthfully and we can get to the bottom of it and move on. >> this is your beat, kate. what do you make of the conflicting explanations we're getting for this meeting? the white house says the meeting was part of jared kushner's transition duties. nothing of substance was discussed according to them while the bank says he was representing his family's real
estate business as part of a series of meetings here in the u.s. >> i think they continue to be the most nebulous. jared kushner is not someone who speaks publicly a lot. we haven't really even heard his voice since he's joined the president's team. he's a guy who at 24 took over his family's real estate company. he's extremely ambitious. he has a plan. he's just been appointed to this new office of american innovation. he's now stepped into something that he's going to have to answer for, and it seems like he's going to do so. we'll have to see how this plays out because he's involved in so many different aspects of this administration. >> richard, i want to turn to the topic of donald trump's son eric, a passage of a recent "forbes" article here. eric trump now manages the trump organization with his brother donald trump jr. there's a kind of clear
separation of church and state that we maintain, and i am deadly serious about the exercise, he says, echoing previous statements from his father. i do not talk about the government with him and he does not talk about the business with us. that's the kind of steadfast pact we made and it's something that we honor, but less than two minutes later he concedes he'll continue to update his father on the business while he is in the presidency. yeah, on the bottom line profitability reports and stuff like that, but, you know, that's about it. how often will those reports be? every quarter. could be more, could be less. yeah, probably quarterly. my father and i are pretty close. i talk to him a lot. we're pretty inseparable. >> h how can there be a separation of church and state or business and government if eric trump is going to update his father, his
dad, the president, quarterly? >> well, there is no separation of business and government in the president's mind. he is very much committed to his businesses. he spent much of his life building those businesses. he has refused to sell off the businesses or put them in a blind trust even though that's what all the government ethics lawyers have been recommended. he continually refers to the businesses in tweets and in public comments. for example, about ivanka's dispute with nordstrom's. we know that he is not separating himself from his businesses psychologically, financially, or any other way. of course he's going to be talking about those businesses with his sons as well as other people. this is a facade if we think for a moment that this administration is separating the president from the management of his businesses. that's not what's happening. >> and he's getting away with it. thank you, richard. >> well, absolutely. absolutely he's getting away with it.
this congress wants to tell him that he's got to focus on this job or move along and let someone else do the job, but congress is going to have to start taking this situation seriously because at this point he's getting away with whatever he wants to do. >> yeah, thank you, kate. thank you, richard. up next, white house press secretary sean spicer's line of the day. >> if the president puts russian salad dressing on his salad tonight, somehow that's a russian connection. >> and hillary clinton is weighing in on it tonight. right now get two lines of data for $100 dollars. with taxes and fees included. that's right 2 unlimited lines for just $100 bucks. all in. and right now, pair up those two lines with two free samsung galaxy s7 when you switch. yup! free. so switch and save hundreds when you go all unlimited with t-mobile.
the biggest week in tv is back. [ doorbell rings ] par-tay! xfinity watchathon week starts april 3. get unlimited access to all of netflix and more, free with xfinity on demand. tonight hillary clinton slamming the white house for cutting off a veteran reporter during today's briefing. clinton says press secretary sean spicer was patronizing. is she right? let's discuss. ben ferguson, angela wry, and simone sanders. good evening. >> good evening. >> good evening. >> well, let's get to it. angela, at today's white house press briefing sean spicer got into a heated exchange with april ryan. we had her on earlier. she is from the american radio urban network. listen. >> you've got russia.
you've got wiretapping. >> no, we don't have that. i don't. >> you're on capitol hill. >> i've said it from the day that i got here until whenever that there is no connection. you've got russia. if the president puts russian salad dressing on his salad tonight, somehow that's a russian connection. no, at some point report the facts. the facts are that every single person who has been briefed on this subject has come away with the same conclusion, republican, democrat. i'm sorry that disgusts you. at some point, april, you take no for an answer with respect to whether or not there was collusion. it seems like your hell bent on making sure whatever image you want to tell about this white house stays because at the end of the day -- you're asking me a question and i'm going to answer it, which is the president -- i'm sorry. please stop shaking your head
again. >> he was clearly kp ll lly kp s exasperated by her questioning. >> he nearly embarrasses himself almost every day. april ryan is a gold star standard of a jurournalist in o community, and it was overtly disrespectful. we saw how donald trump himself treated april ryan. we saw her alleged friend how she treated april ryan. this is a running theme, and i think it is highly problematic and it needs to be addressed. >> paris -- >> uh-huh, don. >> no comment.
i just ask the question. paris, i know you want to jump in. he became annoyed at asking how the administration is going to revamp its image. is that an unreasonable question to ask? >> no, i don't think it was an unreasonable question to ask if that had been the only question. it was a series of questions back to back to back and she was not giving him a chance to answer the question. oftentimes when you give an answer that these jurournalistso not like, they continue to press until they get you to answer the way they want you to answer. >> that's what a reporter does. that is the job of a reporter. >> no, the job of a reporter -- >> danny -- >> not to badger. >> let's play the first question of the tape and then stop it. then we'll play the rest of it and then stop it. >> you've got russia. you've got wiretapping. >> no, we don't have that. >> there are allegations on
capitol hill -- >> i get it, but i've said it from the day that i got here until whenever that there is no connection. you've got russia. if the president puts russian salad dressing on his salad tonight, somehow that's a russian connection. no, at some point -- >> okay. stop. so paris -- >> i love the line, by the way. >> he called that joni ernst, by the way. >> it wasn't like she was barraging him with questions or being rude. >> i didn't say she was being rude. i said she was going back and kept pressing him on trying to get the answer that she was looking for. you were saying that's what journalists do. when you don't give them the answer that you want to hear, then they continue to press. he just flat out said i'm not going to give you the answer you're looking for. sometimes you're going to have
to accept no and i hope you report the facts because the facts i've laid out you for whatever reason don't agree with, don't accept, and don't want to report on. >> but the facts he laid out were absolutely wrong though, but go on, ben. >> don, first off he didn't lash out at her. he defended the white house. >> were you watching the same interview? >> they act as if somehow they're above the average american person or they're somehow better than other people or they're elitist or special. you're a reporter. you're not special. when you go after a white house press secretary -- >> you don't think he jumped down her throat? he was very defensive. no, we don't have that. we don't have that. >> russian salad dressing. >> if you watch the white house briefings, which i watch most days for my show, heshe's been pretty consistent of a negative person toward the white house. >> come on, ryan.
>> yes, april ryan. you shouldn't be shocked by this. she's not a conservative, don. >> so wait, wait, wait. what it sounds like and i know you're not saying that, i don't think you're saying this, but in order for her to be credible she has to be a conservative? >> no, what i'm saying is it is very clear to me she does have an agenda and it's very clear her agenda is very much an anti this white house. >> how dare you. how dare you. >> one at a time. one at a time. [ talking simultaneously ] >> show me a story that she has done since january 20th that has put the president or this white house in a positive light. i would love to see it. >> hold on. that's not her job. that's not her job. >> i agree. her job is to be fair and balanced and she's not. her job is to be fair and balanced. you're telling me there's not one day -- >> let me just help educate some
of my cnn political commentators or friends at home for the folks who don't understand the relationship between the press secretary and the press. as a press person, it is my job to go out there and interface with the press, to answer their questions. sometimes their questions are tough. yes, reporters come with an angle, if you will, or an agenda because they are trying to unmask something. they want the truth, so they are doing -- i think reporters are doing their job in asking questions. clearly there are some things april ryan and the american people would like to know about. >> here's my thing though. i'm fine with that. >> let her finish. >> april ryan's only crime today, if you will, is being a black woman at work. >> please. give me a break. that's absurd. that's insanity. >> paris, why don't you believe that? >> this is the same person -- i'm not done. i'm just getting started.
this is the problem. that's fine. neither are you, buddy. here's the issue. april ryan is the same person who donald trump said to her, well, why don't you set up this meeting with the cbc. those are your friends, right? their agenda is with april ryan, the fact she is a credible, notable journalist in the black community. her job is ensuring this particular white house and this administration and the policies they push forth are reported in a fair way to our community. i know you don't like it, but it is true. >> i'm not saying she's not creditable. let me finish. i'm not saying she's not creditable. what i'm saying is let's be intellectually honest and not lie about her viewpoint. her viewpoint has been consistently since january 20th very antagonistic and not covering this white house in a decent way. >> the white house isn't decent. if the white house was decent -- >> she's following the story about the leaks. and if you say she has an
agenda, wouldn't you think a reporter who identifies him or herself as a conservative, don't you think that reporter would have an agenda as well? >> yes. but my point is when you get pushback, look at the conservative reporters from conservative organizations that had to deal with the obama administration and they were basically iced out by the obama administration. they never gave them interviews. they rarely called them for questions. you should be glad you have a white house that's willing to have a back and forth that people that disagree with them. but when they do pushback -- >> okay. stand by. stand by. we'll be right back. they're going to argue throughout the break. we'll be right back.
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back now with my panel. hi, panel. welcome back. someone on twitter said, don, get control of your panel. that is easier said than done, especially when you're dealing with this group. just so you know. the only thing i can do is sometimes say, we've got to go or cut the mike. then people go you won't let them talk. that's the only control i have because they yell over me. >> aww.
>> i don't mind it. april ryan, we're going to continue, but i want to expand this and talk about bill o'reilly for coming under fire where he mocked maxine watters hair. >> we're saying to those who are patriotic but they turned a blind eye to the destruction he's about to cause this country you're not nearly as patriotic as you are. >> i didn't hear a word she said. i was looking at the james brown wig. if we have a picture of james -- it's the same. >> i have to defend her on that. >> you're all wrong about this. >> you can't go after a woman's looks. ima i think she's very attractive. >> i didn't say she wasn't attractive. i love james brown. >> he did apologize.
an extremely intelligent accomplished woman, why do that? >> i think, don, we should first start -- we always go to the race card. i don't think that's relevant. i don't think this is a racial thing at all. there are plenty of racists in this world. >> paris. >> we should be sure when we call somebody a racist that they actually are. i just think that we need to stop that. let me finish. >> but even all the white guys in the studio are side eyeing you right now. >> he needs to be side eyed. >> let him finish. let him finish. >> bill o'reilly said what he said was in jest and was for fun. he did go on to say he likes congressman watters. >> said she's old school and she
believes what she says. >> because the title of his book is "old school." she's a woman that isn't a phony. she is someone who is jgenuine. >> he said say that. he's right. >> in case you thought this was bill o riley's first racist moment, he has a record. slaves that worked there were well fed and had decent lodgings by the government which stopped hiring slave labor in 1902. this man has a pattern in practice of calling black men thugs, of making fun of congresswoman watters hair? he's intimidated by her. don't do it, paris. >> president obama did call people thugs. >> we're talking about bill o'reilly. go on. >> go down a rabbit hole that is
irrelevant. your boy is a racist. he needs to be fired. his apology isn't sufficient. race baiting is when you continue to utilize -- why can't you ever just hush? >> here's the thing. to my knowledge -- and i could be wrong. i have never heard bill o'reilly talk about anybody else there. maybe the lady, she may have some hair extensions on "fox and friends." i'm sure there are women on that very network that have some wigs. that's what ladies do. >> i don't have a wig. >> not all of us. >> i'm just saying. >> don -- >> there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. i've never seem him bring that up about a white woman. that's all i'm saying. >> if you're going to say maxine watters that bill o'reilly made -- and they were stupid.
they were off the cuff. if you're going to throw out the race card every single time and say he should be fired, then should maxine watters should be impeached saying donald trump should be impeached? >> that's another conversation about her creditability. >> no, but it's part of this conversation, don. she called for the president to be impeached when he had done nothing. >> why did you automatically go to question the creditability of a black woman? >> if you're going to hold bill o'reilly -- let me explain this. if you're going to hold bill o'reilly here, you have to hold
maxine watters at the same level. >> stop talking. you don't want to be labeled a racist. >> i didn't say anything about bill o'reilly being a racist today. >> he is. >> he has done some very racist things, but what i was going to say was is that he automatically went to what maxine watters, a woman, what she looked like. how many women in their jobs in their personal lives and professional lives can identify with being talked about for what they look like and not the creditability of things they're saying? my point to you is it is not only just dumb. it is sexist. it is incorrect. >> i said it was dumb. >> it is unacceptable, and it should not be tolerated. you can't tell me what i can do. that's the crazy thing. >> how do you not hold maxine
watters to the same standard. >> because she was the victim. she was the victim. she was the victim today and mo moreover there was another fox analyst that said she needed to put the crack pipe down. >> that's a different thing. maxine watters called for the president to be impeached. that's politics. >> you don't just brush that off. >> if she said donald trump's wig looked like howdy dudey -- will you let me finish? bill o'reilly, i don't know if she is racist or not. but he was talking about her personal appearance. even he has said it was dumb. you can't say it didn't come off as sexist. i don't know if he's ever said that about a man. >> don, let's be honest. have you ever done a segment
about all of the people that have made fun of donald trump's hair? >> donald trump had made fun of his own hair. donald trump has made fun of his own hair. >> my point is it is a double standard. >> it's not a double standard. >> sure, it is. >> he goes on television and makes fun of his own hair. he lets jimmy fallon rustle through his hair. his doctors showed he has pr propecia for his hair. >> again, double standard. >> if maxine watters had talked about her own wig, that would be another story. he brought something into the conversation that shouldn't be brought there. >> we don't even know if it's a wig.
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racist joke about her hair. >> she went on to say these are the things women have to live with that people see as normal but it's not. >> i think every time we're on air there are comments made about our looks or you look tired or babey you fine. we're talking about looks, intelligence. >> i get sick when people say that to me all the time. >> i believe it. even april ryan, on this very show we had to defend the integrity of someone who has indisputable record as a journalist. you have to constantly defend your credibility when you're the victim. >> i think it's interesting when you said we should look at this differently because she is calling for the president to be impeached and i thought about all the times this current president called for the former
president to be impeached. >> saying he wasn't born here. >> you're not making sense, man. i love you, but you're not making sense. >> don -- >> we can come on air and argue. let me give you an example. and you were a never trumper, by the way. if i come on air and say ben, your hair is stupid or you're fat or dumb, that is a whole different level of something not warranted. i can say i don't think you should be a radio host or i don't think your doing a good job but to call someone out on a personal attack, you don't see the difference in that? >> don, i was one of those that for example criticized people when they did the birther. i've been very consistent in
that. my point is this -- you -- go look at my twitter feed and see what liberals say to me all day long about my appearance. my point is this. if your going to hold someone to a high standard and say what bill o'reilly did was so terrible, then you cannot over look the comments coming from a elected official, a congresswoman or donald frump. >> he's the one that said it was dumb. i'm arguing with you about the way you argued your particular -- the statement you made about this and how you argued the case. bill o'reilly apologized. people make mistakes. that's fine. >> do you think maxine waters should apologize for calling there for the impeachment -- >> no.
if she had said something personal about the president, that would be something different or about the president's wife. >> that's the biggest attack you can have. >> she's a politician and thats rar political argument, a political statement. >> you telling me you think we should be throwing around impeachment like it's no big deal. >> but that's her puraugative to do so as a law maker. don't say i'm cutting you off early. we are over past time for this show to end. thank you. good night. and we came up with a plan to help reduce my risk of progression, including preservision areds 2. my doctor said preservision areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula the national eye institute recommends to help reduce the risk of progression of moderate to advanced amd after 15 years of clinical studies. preservision areds 2. because my eyes are everything.