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this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news, a source telling cnn that jared kushner's meetings with russian officials, including with a head of a bank under u.s. sanctions were an attempt to find the right person to engage with on russia, a to open a back-channel to vladimir putin. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. meanwhile, we're now just hours away from the senate's first public hearing on russia's meddling in the election.
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top leaders of the senate intelligence committee outlining plan outside of the capitol that stalled the investigations. we haare just getting this comg in laura. >> that's right, don, so a federal judge in hawaii has granted the state's request for a longer term halt of the president's revised travel ban. you will remember two weeks ago a district court judge in hawaii derek watson revised executive order but was only a temporary halt called temporary restraining order which typically expires after around 14 days. so the plaintiff asked it to be converted to longer term preliminary conjunction so it
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could last through trial and the judge agreed saying they have met their burden establishing a strong likelihood of threat on the merit of establishment clause. will you ren the entire discussion from judge watson two weeks ago as what he reviewsed viewed as travel ban. >> this is more not permanent but longer i guess stay on this order until there's actually trial. trial is set, do we know when trie trial is set? or how long it will take before it goes on? >> what this will do is essentially place a pause on everything until either the department of justice appealed
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and in the event they would manage to get this decision over turned then that would obviously change the equation, assuming nothing happened and department of justice didn't do anything right now means they would have to go through and litigate the merits of the executive order so this places everything on hold so the parties could continue litigation. the justice department we haven't heard from and they could easily fnow appeal to the 9th circuit of appeals on the west coast. >> a federal judge in hawaii granted state's request for longer term halt on a revised travel ban executive order. speesking now to justice report laura jared. i want to bring in political analyst and journalist and author, carl, how do you think is playing at the white house right now. >> i think the president of the united states gets very angry
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every time a judicial body or judge says he or his presidency has acted illegally or not followed the necessary protocols and rules but the president of the united states i think also recognizes that he has to follow the law and all he can do here is file a series of appeals and hope that he prevails. >> uh-huh. here's what it reads, carl, tell me, the plaintiffs ask it to be converted into longer term prelim anywhere conjunction and judge agreed wednesday night. the court concludes on the record before it plaintiffs had met the burden of establishing a strong likelihood of success on the merits of establishment clause claim what do you read into that, what's that mean? >> it means that those who want to see this policy halted have got a real argument in their favor based on the prior, quote,
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legislative history, or the history of how this rule and travel ban came to be prommel gated. if you will remember the president of the united states and those around him made a lot of inflammatory statements that indicated they wanted to keep muslims out of america. >> yeah. >> and i think the plaintiffs here are pursuing that as prejudicial. but i'm not aware. at the same time i think it's very clear from a series of rulings that the trump presidency has a awful lot of explaining to do if it is going to prevail with these rules. it's going to go to the supreme court and into way of telling how is it will be resolved. >> and this means the justice department can now appeal the ruling to the 9th circuit. >> that's exactly right, don. so before they only had that
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temporary order which typically is isn't appealable but now they have this preliminary injunction will last longer which gives them something to appeal to those judges. as we know there's also now an appeal in the 4th circuit court of appeals on the east coast because a maryland judge also halted the travel ban two weeks ago. so it's potentially setting up a real and circuit court show down if these two circuit courts come out any differently then it's certainly headed directly to the supreme court. i want laura and carl to stand by as we continue with this breaking news federal judge in hawaii granting extended injunction halting travel ban, what do you make of this attorney general. >> thank you very much for the toint. opportunity.
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this is a great win for religious freedom. judge watson now have a preliminary injunction. >> and also means the justice department can appeal this ruling to the 9th circuit so take us through what happens next with this. >> right. well, in all likelihood the u.s. government will be appealing this. think that's pretty much expected. i think what's significant about this order is that the federal judge here has also enjoined with what's known as exception 6 in the executive order that's the part that extends refugee admission, what that means judge watson's order actually keeps those refugee programs in tact, it keeps the status quo the way
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it is. the judge in maryland actually only has stopped section two but this order enjoined section two and section six. >> so each time they put this ban or try to get this ban put into place someone puts a halt on it. what's it say to you about the under lying principle of this ban. >> you know ultimately i think what's happening time after time in the court they are pushing back and saying the constitution is something you have to look at and that's one of the points we made in court today. there's a statement donald trump talks about muslims are pouring into the country and refugees are converting our children to isis and to put a stop to that and one of the statements he
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then made is i refuse to be politically correct. we're not actually criticizing him for being politically incorrect but for being constitutionally incorrect. he's not making statements or policy in line with the constitution of the u.s. >> you made a statement you said you talked about what the president said during the election what about what his advisors said. >> then you have his surr orksu who were talking about how the policy was designed to disguise a muslim ban on pretext of the language and two weeks ago president trump himself as the president spoke on national tv and we all heard it, he said this is a watered down version of the first version and if i had my way i'd want to the go back to the first version.
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if that doesn't sound like pretext than nothing else does. that's exactly what he was trying to accomplish. >> i will ask you a question i asked our justice reporter laura jared how long before you think this is resolved. what do you think for a time line? >> i have the impression that we're already in talks with the government so i have impression that we're going to be seeing an appeal fairly soon and of course as you mentioned there's the 4th circuit appeal going on. i think they will have to appeal our decision because it also impacts the refugee admission protest. >> from the trump side they keep saying it is not a muslim ban and it appears the courts are finding they think is it is a muslim ban. in your estimation you think is a ban on muslims and that's why
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at the under lying thing is it is unconstitutional. >> right. absolutely. i think what the 9th circuit has said in the washington case as well as what we're arguing in our case is that context matters. the government has repeatedly said they really think beyond the four quarters of the document. the supreme court in other cases have said you have a establishment clause of the violation of the first amendment can't simply close our eyes and look at neutral policy there's a discrimina discriminatory purpose behind it there's no way you don't look at that. here you have statements over two years all the way to the time that he is the president where he is displaying anti-muslim bias. >> all right stand by will you mr. attorney general douglas
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chin the attorney general in hi and also joining cart buis car n burnstein, carl what's your assessment of this and next for the administration. >> obviously a an appeal is next and it is going to go to the supreme court no question about it. i think it's difficult to predict what the supreme court will do but donald trump and his surrogates have laid down a record in which their statements have been prejudicial in way that violates the constitution with the intent of the travel ban, trump and his associates have made clear it's to single out people of a certain religion a certain demographic not with merit but rather about origin of
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belief and that's going to cause them great troubles in the courts as it has already. even with evenly divided supreme court which we have now it is difficult to see the court will rule in favor of the travel ban and at the same time the supreme escort a mysterious institution and predicting court is going to do is a very risky business and damn if i would do it. >> travel ban halted once again. thank you everyone once again. we will continue to follow this breaking news and new questions about president trump's possible ties to russia. and a team of experienced traders ready to help if you need it. it's like having the power of a trading floor, wherever you are. it's your trade. e*trade
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our breaking news a federal judge in hawaii has granted the state's request for a longer term halt of the revised travel ban executive order we'll keep on that story and see if there's a response from the white house in the coming moments. now possible ties to russia not going away frr president donald trump. here to discuss former prosecutor and william author why wall street matters and carl burn stein back with us. let's talk about president trump his businesses, current and former associates and russia.
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let's start with carl this is what president trump tweeted. -- this is what he said in february. >> i had nothing to do with russia i told you, i have no deal there's i don't know anything. you can taublg talk all you want about russia which is all fake news fabricate deal to make up forever the loss of democrats. >> i have no loans in russia i don't have any deals in russia. >> so carl at a real estate conference in 2008 donald trump jr. said, quote, we see a lot of money pouring in from russia, based on your own reporting do you believe president trump's statements to be true. >> no and i think there's absolute literal thing he's trying to do.
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the real question has to do with russia, greater russia, countries of the former soviet union, ethner russians and alagars with whom we know president trump has had extensive dealings. the fbi and intelligence community believes there's a cover up. rtsz if what exactly is being covered up is unclear but has something to do with the relationships between those in the trump campaign at least and those who are ethno-russians, russians, russia itself, we're trying to get to the bottom of that in the press the other investigations, fbi on capital hill trying to do the same thing and what's so conspicuous is the president of the united states his family, his associates and business are trying to throw
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every impediment in front of the investigators rather than opening the door to the truth. >> carl i understand you have a question for kenneth. >> in fact i think it was already answered by what you just presented so we can go ahead. >> so we're good. okay. just want to make sure you get that in. so williams let's talk about this meeting with jared kushner met with head of russian bank with ties to putin and fsb and ties say the meeting was quote a relationship meeting meant to establish a back channel to putin. do you think meeting was about money, politics or both? kenneth, sorry. >> oh, thanks. well probably about both. it was a very significant meeting because the person he was meeting with is very close and part of the inner circle of putin and he's a banker. and they were talking about money. money goes to the heart of it.
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if you follow the money. well donald trump never built a hotel in moscow and doesn't have investments over there. correspondingly the russian oelligarchs oligarchs. if the oligarchs pulled the project at any point in time the entire organization could collapse. so while literally he doesn't have investments over there in a very real financial sense the russians in a broader sense own trump. >> what do you think, was this about politics, money or both?
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>> seems to me with jared kushner it sushlly about money. usually about money. historically has been about money. now he has an exhausted role in the trump administration which seems to be growing all the time and now his wife, trump's daughter has her exhauulted rol officially is about power. i can't reconcile the statements donald trump jr. said we see money pouring in, lots of deals, lots of money pouring in, i don't understand how the two are reconciled. again, whether it's paul manifork the advisor to russian interests in ukraine and laundering that money buying real estate. what carl said is so interesting to me because he's the expert on
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where pulling strings take you and where things lead and we're beginning to see this slowly unravel and it's fascinating. >> we have reporting from the reports including one property at trump tourer. >> one thing we found beginning with the property at trump tower there was a pattern the llc associated with manifork purchased llc all cash, no fansing, and many years later transferred to his name and he borrowed quite a bit of money against it. this is not necessarily unusual in new york, the real estate is so valuable but what we found is federal regulators have become increasingly concerned because as the new york market blows up it becomes an increasingly attractive place to store money,
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sometimes ill-got. what law enforcements have said to us is because of all the other allegations and scrutiny looking at paul's dealings with the russian oligarchs and the ukrainians and now he's under scrutiny for a bank in cyprus for possible money laundserring, put laundering, put it all together is raises flags for investigators. >> cnn has been able to confirm some of the real estate transactions wrote about this is paul's response -- i'm sorry to disappoint the conspiracy theoryists and anonymous experts but my personal investment in real estate are common practice in new york and else where to use an llc to purchase real estate. these transactions were execute
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in a transparent fashion and my identity disclosed. my name right on the documents in one of the news reports. so the concerns raise ed this could be some type of transaction used to launder money. i say could be. so explain these transactions. are they potentially suspicious or are they normal transactions? >> no thiez transactions have all the classic ear marks of money laundering. as andrea's reporting showed the purchase of the trump tower properties were right around the time we now know that paul entered into $10 million a year deal with one of the russian oligarchs who is one of the two or three closest to putin. you have a all-cash deal. you have a transfer of the ownership in that or other
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properties. would you have him then cashing out of the deal by taking large marts out and then mortgages out and then buying other 3r079s. other properties. a lot of money flowed through the cyprus banks. you have tens of millions with one person manafort moving the money buying real estate. >> we know how much there is to be made in new york real estate these could be just good investments. >> it could very well be, just savvy investments by paul manafort who got paid this money
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and decided to turn it into manhattan real estate and it paid off. to your point this is a guy who was an advisor, paid consultant to russian oligarchs who then becomes donald trump's campaign manager. this is a guy donald trump who cannot say a bad word about vladimir putin probably the only person in the world who has never said a bad word about him. what's vladimir putin have on the president of the united states it's deeply troubling. is this another string to pull to see how this puzzle of russia fits together. >> question just don't know whether any legal lines were crossed based on what is publicly available. but there's quite a few flags. in addition to the manhattan property there's a townhouse in brooklyn in which manafort took out $700 million of loans on a
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house valued at 4 or $5 million from a banker who is a trump fundraiser or advisor during the campaign. so the transactions are maybe fine but they is certainly something that has looked odd. as to the transparency, yes, we found them, it wasn't super easy to find them. for example the trump tower apartment was purchased in the year 2006 same time he signed the contract with the russian oligarch under a company john hannah llc, that's manafort's middle name and hannah was his business partner's middle name. it wasn't easy to put together but if you dug down you could trace it back tomanafort. >> the associated press did remarkable reporting in which they found a document in which
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manafort made a proposal on behalf of his consulting firm in which he actually stated that he wanted to further the policy of vladimir putin in the united states and with officials here. what we are seeing is a president of the united states promised to train the swamp instead of draining the swamp and telling the people around him in his campaign and family let's open all the books and be an open transparent organization here and get past this, he instead, has got a sewer backing up into the white house. in is not draining the swamp, this is not cooperating with investigators and this is why there's a belief among those in the fbi and intelligence community that some kind of cover up is congoing though it is not clear what's being covered up but certainly some of the things we're talking about appear to be part of it, not to
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mention general flynn who was in charge of national security policy for the trump campaign and who is integral to what we have seen in these policy decisions made by donald trump as a candidate. >> ken, last word on this. >> sure. the evidence has shown that not only was manafort moving tens of millions of dollars that he obtained from olig dare costa and other ukrainian and russian oligarchs and a lot of the money he got was for lobbying efforts for these foreign nationals and governments in washington without registering. so you have a combination of money laundering and lobbying. >> possibility of it. because this is getting outside the scope of the reporting we have here on cnn. but go ahead and finish your
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thought. >> it really has all the classic earmarks of money laundering which he did in the past with others and he actively went out to solicit hundreds of millions of dollars from these foreigners to bring it into american real estate with the pitch that this is a way to move dirty or tainted money in, sell the apartments, keep them, doesn't make much difference whether you make money or not, whether you sell it will be cleansed. >> this is why we need a reliable investigation. thank you all. appreciate it. coming up president trump speaking about empowering women but do his policies support his words? (vo) at miracle-ear,
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president trump and first lady melania trump both talking about empowering women. cnn strategist here to discuss and political commentatocomment good to have all you ladies on. looking forward it to this. the president spoke today let's listen. >> my administration will work every day to ensure that our economy is a place where women can work, succeed and thrive like never before. that includes fighting to make sure all mothers and all families have access to affordable child care. [ applause ]
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we want every daughter in america to grow up in a country where she can believe in herself, her future and follow her heart and realize her dreams. [ applause ] and we want a country that celebrates family that celebrates community and that creates a safe and loving home for every child, every child. that's what we want. [ applause ] >> so i'm going to start with kirna do you give him credit for those sentiments. >> i don't. >> given the history of the access hollywood campaign trail about women for you. >> this is one time i need him to not read. this is a space right here as a father of daughters if you are going to be donald trump at his best which is when he is not
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reading for his base where is the natural sentiment. where is what come it's to you naturally when you're talking about the uplift of women. because if we go by your record, by what you just tried to do with the affordable care act there is no congrunt line. i can't make it match. at this point if you want me to believe you i got to hear something that doesn't feel like someone gave you a card five minutes before you went live. he misses me on this one. >> we know what he sounds like when he doesn't read, we seen the history of his demeaning comments about women, his comments on howard stern on "access hollywood" those were off the cuff remarks so they have to script him on this because we know he's capable of saying how he really feels. how women look if you're not big chested not a ten. i would like a world in america where my daughter and girls grow up where you don't have to
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explain to them that the president of the united states got elected after he admitted grabbing women by their genitals. that's what i want. this is an embarrassment that he was able to get away with those things and still get elected. >> this was a great day for the president, honoring females at the state department and ended with this panel and it agitated the left so much they had to bring up the past a past he apologized for. i understand that's the narlt reaction but i like to look at records and look at the fact the first female presidential campaign manager who brought a president to fruition was under the tutelage of donald trump. i like to look at the fact there's many female executives in the trump organization. but those are things left wants to over look because they want to find the negative with regard
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to donald trump. >> he has a pattern of doing things to honor people at the end of months. we know last month for black history month hbcu presidents went to the white house to meet with him for a very uncomfortable picture not because kelly anne conway was kneeling in the middle of it but because there were a gazillion presidents and it looked crazy. >> they weren't very happy about the meeting. >> there were several who were fine with it but several didn't think he hit the standards. that was the end of black history month and here we are at the end of women's history month him not sounding genuine, reading from a prompter. when he is not reading from prompter he is asking april ryan when she's going to set up meeting with cbc. >> i'm not going to high five you right now. the point is this is someone who doesn't come across.
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oh, sorry. they're making fun of me for the other night. >> you made fun of yourself. >> bad andre. >> shot out to andre bower. he's a bad andre sometimes. >> so i'm back with my panel now. so tara, the first lady melania trump gave the keynote speech today at 2017 international women of courage awards and said in her speech this. >> we must continue to work towards gender empowerment and respect for people for people from all back grounds and ethnicities remembering always we are all ultimately members of one race, the human race. >> do you think she can be an
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asset to her husband when it comes to women issues? >> i think she needs to grow into the position of first lady she's clearly uncomfortable in this position. >> she didn't sign up for that. >> no she didn't but she should be honored to be in this position. i don't have sympathy. you were a billionaire's wife before this and now have the honor to be first lady of the united states she should embrace this, i have tough time singing the blues for melania trump because she didn't sign up for this. >> you don't think it's hard to be the first lady. >> but you don't live there. >> she's embracing it. i have had conversations with her about this and she's excited to be first lady. >> can't tell. >> she's got a deep heart and passion for children. i understand liberals will never
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see melania -- >> -- well i'm not a liberally i've been conservative my whole life. >> okay. honestly it's unfair to say melania trump is uncomfortable. you've not spoken with her about this. >> i've watching this. >> you said she's robotic. this is hyper criticism for someone who is doing her best. she does have a clear vision for children and she's going to do a great job she's a mother, give her a break and she's done a great job. >> i think frankly she's traveling with the president, got her office in the west wing, taking her voluntary job, you know, she is closer to the white house than even melania is and frankly, you know, more power to her, raise her kids where she wants but the reality is she is not embracing it. i do think it's an honor and privilege when you won't oochb say this is a this is a
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sacrifice, i'm going to move our family into the white house so it is not costing taxpayers all this money. >> millions. >> to me it is disrespectful. >> i know the money is a big thing. >> yeah. >> especially if you're fiscally conservative do it all the way but you don't know what's happening or what goes on in people's relationships or what's happening in their home or what kind of commitment she's making to her child. >> not at all. >> i think we should give her some leeway with that. i want to say yesterday black woman at work again, congress women maxine waters and reporter ryan were disrespected around many felt even at the white house briefing wait a minute were disrespected and hillary clinton even spoke about it. why do you think it struck such a cord. >> because spicer, first of all, ryan is so clever, at this point he is playing himself by
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himself. he is really all of the actors. >> he's playing the role. >> he is playing the role of someone who is qualified to do his job when in fact he is not. he's playing the role of someone who is not supposed to be a built-in racist sexist who is and so by way of body language, by way of the fact he is singling out april ryan and in very specific ways to kind of cue the superiority, which is what people read. >> it was a very different tune today, i want you to watch and respond. >> with that we'd like to take questions. april? >> thank you sean. >> how are you today. >> i'm fine how are you. >> fantastic.
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>> well going back to something i heard in the news, thing is not going to recuse self in the midst of back and forth what's the white house have to say about that. >> well, april, the white house he is conducting an investigation. >> so typical april got her follow up but shouldn't he relate to people every single day instead of april gets that's the way you should interact. >> if you had to get up and lie every day you'd be mad as hell too let's call it what it is. i want to go back to this hashtag. brittany started hashtag and took off because april ryan for a moment was a glimpse of what every black and brown woman has experienced at some point in
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all right. back, now, with my panel. congressman maxine waters had her own black woman at work tweet. she said, i am a strong black woman that cannot be intimidated and i will not go anywhere. #bla #blackwomenatwork. did you think it was a mistake for bill riley to go after her hair? >> i think everyone should be gracious and recognize that and forgive him for that. he acknowledged the good parts of maxine waters. she is a strong woman. her authenticity. i disagree with her. but there's no doubt she's a strong woman. >> why would he be petty like that? i really take issue with the below-the-belt punches that are so often shot out at block
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women. there's not a black person i know personally that doesn't understand her hair is thick. it is healthy. it is what we are looking to have. you're wrong on that count. more seriously, it is really disheartening someone of his stature. someone that begs for the level of respect and accolade that he seeks, really daily. to steep that low, to stoop that low, bill o'reilly. >> it's not the first time. >> in that case, to me, it just strikes a chord that is beneath him, even. >> it was unnecessary. >> clearly. >> on that show, it was like e prepube prepube prepubesant. but i understand that you can't let that go.
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and you saw ainsley earhart say, every william has been demeaned like that before. when i was on capitol hill, there was a congressman who was good friends with my boss. and every time he saw me, he would say hey, girlfriend. >> #blackwomanatwork. >> i would say, excuse me? that kind of stuff happens. you need to handle that. >> i thought it was funny that he would say that about -- it was interesting to me. what if she did wear a wig? who cares? that's a woman's prerogative. >> what did it have to do on the floor? >> he should have taken her on the merits of that. >> everyone makes fun of donald trump's hair. he makes fun of his own hair. >> she never went after anybody's looks. >> i have to go. >> it was obnoxiouobnoxious. thank you. >> bye. >> bye. >> bye, don. a year. t-mobile one save s
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good evening. thanks for joining us. we're waiting to hear from fbi director james comey, who is speaking shortly outside of washington at a dinner for members of the washington community. he's expected to take questions, possibly in the russian mess and the committees supposed to be investigating it. we'll bring you the questions live when they happen. earlier today, the top two members, the senate committee, spoke to


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