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wolf? >> an important story for us. brian, thanks very much. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i hope that all of you have a wonderful weekend. i'm wolf wolf in "the situation room." erin run out front starts now. >> general michael flynn says he has a story to tell. the fbi spending tonight. following the trail of dead bodies. are the suspicious deaths of several firms linked to russia's interference in the u.s. officials? good evening. i'm erin run. we begin with breaking news. u.s. intelligence officials say that isis and other terror groups have found a way to hide powerful explosives in electronic devices. we're talking about things like
laptops. intelligence officials suggest that they've stolen airport screening devices so they've specifically lermd how to coon seal the bombs. evan perez and barbara story broke the story. i want to begin this evening with our justice correspondent evan perez. evan, obviously, an incredibly significant report. what are you learning? >> reporter: erin, cnn has learned that u.s. intelligence and law enforcement agencies believe isis have come up with innovative ways to come up with dw devices to avoid detection. terror bomb makers have come up with a way to hide explosives in the battery compartment but
still have the power turn on long enough to get past skreepers. there were reports that they've tested variants of laptop bombs using different configurations to assess how difficult it would be to detect them using tsa machines. the testers found out that the machines had a far more time detecting these new types of bombs. >> barbara, is this the reason for the ban last week from some flights directlyto the united states around britain? >> reporter: at significant part of it. also we know that the u.s. intelligence community and u.s. military intelligence has grown increasingly concerned in recent months and weeks. they have been tracking a number of these plot threats about airliners, not just from isis
but al qaeda. all leading to questions about whether this ban on electronics goes far enough. the intelligence comes among heightened concerns that isis and al qaeda-affiliated terror groups have perfected their ability to hide bombs in electronic devices. cnn has learned this new intelligence was a significant part of the decision earlier this month to ban laptops, tablets, and other electronic devices from the passenger cabins or planes flying directly to the united states from ten middle eastern and north african airports. demonstrateding instead that they be stored in checked luggage. >> elevated intelligence that we're aware of indicates a that terrorists are aggressive in pursuing innovative methods for carrying out their attacks.
>> reporter: officials have told cnn there was credible and specific intelligence that isis would try to attack aviation asse assets. >> there's an imperative to get isolation in place around raqqah. because our intelligence feeds tell us that there is a significant external operations attacks planning. >> reporter: al qaeda's official in yemen, aqap has been trying to carpet airliners destined for the u.s. hiding explosives in the batteries of electronic guys like laptops is one means. in february, 2016, a wakeup call when a laptop bomb, according to
somali shorts was used to blow a hole in this somali passenger jet. the plane landed safely despite the attack claimed by al shabab. now, the cnn report team has spoken to the cia and the fbi about this story and as of now, both agencies have declined to comment. erin? >> all right. so evan, let me go back to you. the tsa in terms of this ban, right, of people not being able to bring laptops in the kakin, saying they have to go in the cargo only apply to certain countries. given this why is this not a wider ban? >> reporter: layered security does a better job. the tsa yishld a statement to us
saying they won't discuss the intelligence we're reporting on but they're saying that the u.s. government continually assesses intelligence and collects new intelligence. this allows the ts arvegts to constantly evaluate asian security processes and policies and macon hasments. as always, all air travellers are subject to a robust security system that employs multiple layers of security both unseen and seen. erin? >> evan, thank you very much. the explanation given when the ban was introduced, ok, was that you can't stop all travel, right? they said that that wasn't possible to do. now, of course, we just have this partial ban with the significant development at this hour. now we have paul cruikshank and clarissa ward with us tonight.
thanks to all. mary let me start with you. the entire flight system is based on machines able to check for bombs. tonight we find out the bombs can beat the checks. >> that's right. one, we think that they've had additional testing capabilities by using the very equipment that we purchased, the united states encouraged other countries to purchase after 9/11 to prevent bombs in the future and the plastic explosives, etc. the mo has changtd, ever since the underwear bomber in 2009, we thought perhaps they had help from inside. we went thu a lot of equipment. in the somali bombing, they thought they had inside help. t they've made several yaefts. now they think it's possible to do it without insider help.
huge difference. very, very troubling. >> if this is a game changer, why has the u.s. only banned electronic advices on planes headed for the u.? i don't understand. you could pass it to someone, get on a connecting flight. this doesn't make sense, does it? >> it does make sense because one of these poms, make sure they take an airplane down, you need to put them against the skin. what causes a small explosion, causes a slipper effect, cause the plane to come apart. a lot of these airports that are this extra security are places that don't have the same screening. if you get on a plane to the united states, homeland security knows who they are, they can be sure you're not a suicide bomber. nevertheless, i agree with mary, knees bombs out there, if you
can put explosives in batteries and hide them and beat nitrate tests and the rest of it, this is a development that's very, very worrying. we knew these people were getting better all the time and frankly, it doesn't surprise me that they've advanced technology to this point. asian is in trouble. >> aviation is in trouble and the point paul is making -- the point bob is making is it makes sense to put the laptop in the cargo. it would be harder to take the plane down. in terms of this development, i mean, this is pretty stunning. now we're being told, al qaeda has a master bomb maker. now we're told isis, other terrorist groups. now they're sharing this information, we're hearing. this is of concern. >> there is. let me put this into perspective. the mod ernl state of the ard
machines includes taking swab tests in the airport in place in modern rp airports in jump, in the united states, in some parts of the gulf as well. they are actually very good at detecting the kind of explosive devices that al qaeda in yemen and other groups are trying to develop even when there's a concealed in laptop. >> the emirates, for example, are on this list. >> that's -- >> can you tell us here or what? >> they've got just as motd earn machines as in the united states and europe which are very good, i repeat, very good at detecting these kind of explosive devices. one possibility is there's some concern over training protocols at the airports, there's concern about human error. >> yeah. >> all the machines are knots systematically being used. it should catch just about anything al qaeda or isis could put together right now. it's important to stress that.
>> but when you say words like "just about," when they have the technology -- one official is saying this is hair raising. you just need one to get through. when you think about the destruction that could cause. >> right, i agree. it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. while it may be hair raising for as longs i can remember, to take down a commercial airliner has been the kind of holy grail of any of these various plethora of terrorist groups operating in and around the globe. we were focussing primarily on al qaeda in the arabian pens la and in syria. the master bomb maker, because they had been leading the charge with liquids and the underwear bomber. if you look at the resources that isis has been funneling in to all its technological
operations, whether it's drones, building its own planes, whether it's trying to develop a self driven car, it doesn't come as a huge surprise to anyway they have been able over a course of time and perhaps working with rogue elements of other extremist groups to come up with something that could potentially threaten an airline. >> mary, when we had a chance to speak with you before the segment, you said the system was blinking reds before 9/11. and this situation reminds you of that. >> it does. we had so many warnings prior to 9/11. a lot of them didn't come to light until years after. i spent years litigating for families of noirn. it was amazing that they were testing the system and were good. they were coming forth. it was in the federal register in 2001. we just didn't do enough. we thought we keyed do peace meal safety systems.
i feel that now we're doing peace meal safety and security systems, and that doesn't work because the terrorists are testing every piece of the system. they do it systematically and they've been doing it, i think, since 2009. >> bob, piece male? >> peace meal and the people are talented and this technology goes back 30 years. unfortunately they are going to make it through with one of these bombs. that's my prediction. >> thank you all very much. very sobering developments in breaking news this evening. next, more breaking news on president trump's former national security advisor and the fbi, whether they're going to give him i am menuity. and he's talking about what he saw at the white house tonight. it could be the key in the investigation surrounding
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documents. but he has expressed dismay that they're the same documents seen by nunes more an a week ago. schiff said it was represented to me that these are the same documents. the the white house has yet to explain why senior white house staff apparently shared these materials with but one member of either committee, only for their cents to be briefed back to the white house. so of course schiff is still taking issue with the fact that the white house released these materials to nunes first, saying the white house effectively laundered the information thu the committee to avoid the true source. erin, tonight the house committee is trying to get back on track. we know that nunes and schiff met face-to-face this week. they say they're committed to moving forward. >> thank you very much, jessica. speaking of chairman nunes, this comes as he breaks his silence back home in california.
kiuyl la joins me. two white house staffers were his sources so far and has completely refused to acknowledge that. what did he say today? >> he's trophied acknowledge, he's also been avoiding the national and d.c. press all day. he decided to sit down and talk. he knocked down the report saying they were, quote, mostly not true. >> this is something i've known about for a very long time from people who were not affiliated at all with the white house or anybody there. the challenge was, was finding a place to be able to view this information, to be able to get my hands on this information. so i think what's in the stories is there's a lot of innuendo, there were a lot of people who
probably knew about me being there but the fact of the matter this doesn't make the source. >> now, the congressman wasn't so eager to make that assertion to cnn, to the national networks, or national newspapers. we're all waiting here at this event where he was scheduled to speak at a ticketed event. he snuck in through the back door. he left the exact same way. that did not go over so well with protesters. there were many protesters that were lining the sidewalk in front of this event. they are very angry with this investigation with their congressman's behavior. they feel he is not working for them. here's what one of them told us. >> it doesn't seem like he has our interest in mind. it's unfortunate, because he works for us. he doesn't work for trump. and that seems like his first priority lately is working for trump. >> we should point out that the congressman, though, is still very popular with his base.
he did win his district, erin, 68% of the people voted for him. so even with the scandal, many people here still do support him. >> thank you. i want to go to juliette, who served under president obama. juliette, obviously, the big breaking news athour. congressman schiff, the ranking member, went to the white house, spent ten minutes with the president and also was briefed on this classified information which he says is the same information that the chairman of the committee got more than a week ago. the ranking member didn't get at that time. the chairman shared it with nobody else. how damaging is this? >> i think it's damaging for nunes only. in other words, i really appreciate what adam schiff did in the sense that i think he was played the big kid and went to the white house to see what nunes saw and i think now the
next move to save the white house intelligence committee review is seshlgtly for paul ryan to step in and say look, there are other republicans on this committee. they are also committed to this review and investigation. no one has confidence in nunes anymore and to replace him. you see other -- on your show, you have other members of that committee, republicans of that committee wanting to get the investigation back in order. you just can't do it with nunes anymore. so i think that would be a smart move on paul ryan's part at this stage. >> jason, i'm trying to understand a basic thing. the white house obviously had this information, right, because now they're giving it aboveboard to adam schiff who says it's the same information nunes saw. don't they have to explain why they decided to show it without having their fingerprints on it? he left and came back to the white house as if he had
discovered it and given it to them? don't they have to explain that? >> i think this is really on chairman nunes to explain what's going on. i think the white house did the right thing to invite congressman schiff to come up and review the document. congressman schiff attacked the process. why does this matter? if he's attacking the process, i think he saw something serious, i think there's something that's a very big deal there and as soon as these diemts are out and we have a chance to find out what's going on -- we're seeing news reports from other news organizations that there were someone from 2 brooefs administration involved in some of this unmasking tifft. weave seen the comments, msnbc comments from another staffer or administration that people would be concerned about this. if you look at congressman schiff's comments, for him to
come out and attack the process. >> interesting. >> i didn't see anything that would have changed normal procedures this should have gone through. for him to frame his comments like that, he's trying to throw people off the scent. >> clear, juliette, before you -- unnascaring is if your name was picked up in routine intelligence that somehow your name got put in there. >> i would -- >> it's an effort for back door assailants for trump association getting swept into this. >> we know, we know, we know. >> go ahead, juliette. >> i wouldn't read too much into adam schiff's statements. i think what is important is what was happening at the white house that members of the national security staff as well as the legal staff, which i think is really key, the president's own counsel, guy we don't hear -- talk about much, don -- again i -- it might be pronouncing it wrong and those
offices that were involved in the sharing of this information, i have to say those are names i had never heard of. they seem relatively low ranking. one would assume that there was a process by which they were told or at least allowed to share the information with nunes. so i think the process is worthy of being reviewed. i think the most important thing and jason and i will both probably agree on that -- you have to get the committee back on track. >> ok. so -- >> it's hard to say you could do it with nunes but you could do it with another republican. the intelligence committee used to not have things like this. there are a number of members who have agreed to look at the unmasking oefrt -- >> juliette. >> we're not going to play these games. >> one crucial question i want to ask, though. >> yeah. >> this is what congressman
nunes said tonight. this is something i've learned about for a long time. obviously, it's uncome bent on him to say who and why and what. so he's done the information for a longer period of time and not shared it with a ranking member or anybody else on his committee, isn't that stunning? >> erin, i've said this both on your show and other shows wroif been critical of chairman nunes and we need to get back to talking about who was surveilling president trump and his associates, who was authorizing this. these people need to be held accountable. there's a big double standard between things being leaked to hurt president trump and things that are being leaked to set the report straight. we need to talk about ton marking, the back door surveillance. it's a big deal. both these people need to be held accountable.
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. breaking news. no indications at this hour that the fbi is going to let michael flynn off the hook and granted him immunity in exchange for talking to them about russia and the trump campaign. so will trump's former national security advisor tell the story or not? >> reporter: any comment on michael flynn, mr. president? >> reporter: president trump not saying anything.
flynn is willing to testify for immunity. flynn, a retired army general fired after only 26 days in office for misleading the president. the president took the snushl step of inserting himself in an ongoing investigation. saying on twitter, mike flynn should ask for immunity, big excuse for democrats. white house secretary sean spicer amplified that message today. >> rebelieves that mike flynn should go up there and do what he has to do to get the story out. >> the offer drew skepticism. >> no, i don't think it's a witch hunt. it's very mysterious to me why all of a sudden general flynn is saying he wants immunity. i don't think congress should
get immunity. >> reporter: considering what the president said about immunity last year on the campaign trail. >> if you're not guilty of a crime, what do you mean immunity for, right? >> reporter: it was an attack against his rival hillary clinton. >> did anybody ever see so many people get immunity? roimt and this. >> yes. lock her up. >> reporter: will flynn had this to say. >> if you ask for immunity, you have you've probably committed a crime. >> he's saying do whatever you have to do to go up to make it clear what happened. take whatever precaution you want or however your legal counsel advises you. >> reporter: a law enforcement official says the fbi has no desire to talk to flynn again.
the whole discussion of immunity, in exchange for what? usually in the case of a high-rarnging government official they're offered immunity if someone can turn something over to them higher than them. that begs the question of what would he have to offer, erin? >> jeff, thank you much. the crucial question. former prosecutor, paul cowan is with me, also david axled r era. as jeff points out, you're going to be giving someone up who is even bigger than you. >> yes. >> few are relative to michael flynn. obviously that means donald trump would be among them. is that part of this, that this is the president? >> what i find suspicious about all this. robert keller in who's done a
lot of big guy is publicly shopping the idea of immunity. real lawyers when they have a client with a real problem and has really salable information to trade for immunity, you don't have a press conference. you have a quiet meeting with the prosecutor and say i can give you this person. nobody hears about it. instead a press release is issued saying i got a story, give mow immunity. what it says to me is i don't think they have valuable information to sell or it would have been a quiet approach. >> david, you heard gem flynn in jeff's piece. nchts i did indeed. >> this might be the most played in the last 24 hours. i'm going to play it again. >> when you are given immunity, that means that you've probably commit add crime. >> it's a stunning thing to say now that he's the one asking for immunity. >> i think it's safe to say that
given the chance he would not have said it. it wasn't just him. donald trump campaigned across this country raising this issue of people who would work for hillary clinton would take immunity as a sign of their guilt. they're coming back to bite right now. >> this is the height of hypocrisy for president trump. repeated, we saw a little bit in jeff's piece but repeatedly on the campaign trail talked about immunity. here he is. >> if you're not guilty of a crime, what do you need immunity for, right? the reason they get immunity, they did something wrong. the ringleaders is getting immunity deals. we'll call them really the fbi immunity five. nobody's ever seen it. they gave so much immunity,
there was nobody left to talk to. there was nobody left except hillary. >> paul, the thing here is when the president says flynn should get immunity, is what he's saying is flynn is guilty. that's basic logic and reasoning. >> yes, if he's being consistent where what he said on the campaign trail. i don't think he's been particularly con consistent. so he's saying get immunity. he's saying testify under immunity. i have nothing to hide. that's what that statement means in terms of president trump. >> it's easy for him to say. the house and the fbi don't seem to be giving him immunity. >> it was a way of saying i have no fear about what he might say. i think the second half of his tweet was equally important in which he colored the whole thing
as part of a partisan witch hunt. in has been going on for months. the president has been in advance of any conclusions trying to impeach the investigation. >> i think what he's really saying with that take immunity statement, he's throwing a life raft to flynn saying i've got your back, pal. >> here's what we know about general flynn's ties to russia. they want him to testify along with jared kushner, page and others. we know sanctions were discussed and he miss led the vice president about that we know he went to russia for a paid speech and sat next to vladimir putin. all of that isn't so much in itself. the question is is that the tip of the ice berg or not? >> who knows? in any investigation we don't know what the scope of what they have is or what they're looking
at but clearly he is a focus for the investigation and it could go in directions that we -- that we don't know yet. >> the impact of russia influencing our election is something that comes up in the axe files which is your special here on cnn. you talked to john mccain about this, if america tried to help russia. a significant thing under investigation with the trump campaign. if that happened, how significant is it here's what he told you. >> if an american citizen were complicit with the russians, would that be in your view tantamount to treason? >> i think you would have to gauge exactly the circumstances. there's one thing to have a conversation. it's another thing to plot together, but i think it would be something that individual would have to be held accountable. >> yeah. he's -- listen, the john mccain is probably as fierce as anyone
in the united states congress about russia and he's clearly appalled by what happened and very much offend ed by the notin that others may have been involved. i asked him about comparisons between trump and robld reagan. and he said very coldly, you wouldn't hear ronald reagan comparing the united states to putin's russia as you've heard from this president. he was very tough on it. >> thank you very much, and "the axe files" coming up this weekend. and up next, how recent mysterious russian deaths could be linked to the u.s. elections and russia. have you ever nfrtsed how the president moves things around? not many people have but this is getting increasingly bizarre.
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russia. this is the u.s. gets a stark warning that putin is still med allege in u.s. politics. elise leavitt is out front. >> vladimir putin in his own backyard. president trump's top diplomat blamed russian aggression for turning the idea of reset with moscow into a mine dream. >> from what happened in crimea to other mucking around inside other people's elections. >> visiting nato for the first time secretary of state rex tillerson tried to reassure nervous u.s. allies that president trump won't seek closer ties with russia. >> we want to have a discussion around nay toe's posture in europe, most particularly eastern europe in response to russia's aggression. >> clint watts told lawmakers that putin might be trying to
cover his tracks. >> phenomenon the trail of dead russians. there have been more russians who have had assets and banks all over the world die. >> reporter: dennis varinkov was gunned down. former security minister has shared state secrets about russian actions with investigators. they kael his murd an act of russian state terrorism. he's one of several mysterious deaths since russia became a target of investigation. in december, russia's ambassador to turkey was shot dead at point blank range in an art exhibition. the shooter, a turkish police officer said do not forget syria. the same way a russian diplomat found shot in the bedroom of his home. and on november 8, new york police were called to the
russian consulate to find ambassador sergei cliffoff dead. an autopsy said he died of a tumor. in all, eight prominent russians found debt since the u.s. election. five diplomats, including one who died suddenly of a heart attack last month. some deaths appear to be of normal causes. with others details are scarce. >> thank you elise. now, a former fbi agent clint watts and deputy secretary of state tony blinken. we saw you testifying about eight of these prominent russians who have -- are dead just since the election. and you say that there could be links between these individuals
and the russian dossier, which of course detail linked between the trump campaign and rigging the election. >> i think one should be looking at. one, the rt state sponsored outlet, one of their leading figures died from blunt force trauma. no explanation. then another diplomat fell from a building in new york city on election night. on 26 december you have a former commander of the fsb die under suspicious circumstances in moscow. these are key links. you've got the main propaganda outlet, smun who died in the u.s. >> also these individuals did have links to that dossier? >> i don't know that they are the people in the dossier but they all could be. >> yes. >> you have an intel service who could be a leaker who dies in
moscow. you've goat the main propaganda outlet which we talked of. >> this is pretty stunning if true. i think clint's saying people aren't aware that these things are happening here in the united states. jumping off a building or blunt force trauma. >> what we do know is being a russian diplomat is not the path to health and good fortune. certainly, the number here at a time suggests that there's a little bit of smoke there. >> and when we talk about smoke we're talking about one of these cases, someone found dead in a washington, d.c. hotel. then another one somehow had a fall and it was natural. this is a washington, d.c. hotel room. >> all three cases we're told
binn one reason why they died and later we're told another. which is the truth? it's interesting that it's happening in our own story. why we can't get a straight story here in the united states. >> you have people in the u.s. answers here in the united states. clint, you've been speaking out here, you testified about this, you are concerned about your own safety, in talking about this so openly and bluntly? >> i'm not worried about my physical safety, i have dealt with this in the counter terrorism circles, when you're dealing with this, there's always a mild chance of risk. we have seen russians targeting americans, we have seen emails released by president component. why wouldn't he, or myself or dozens of russian analysts and those who are talking about this let this campaign suffer
everything they have done in europe, we have all suffered cyber attacks, i'm not the only one that's been notified. why wouldn't the president or someone who's been a russian collaborator take aim against myself or others. >> this report said that the obama administration basically created a list of document serial numbers, so any document the trump campaign deemed relevant, they saved it it. they gave that list to members of the intelligence committee, and of course they made sure that the trump administration couldn't bury that information. do you think that could have happened? >> there's a huge amount of deflection and distraction here. president obama ordered a full investigation on russian attempts to interfere with the election, back in december.
his counter terrorism advisor, lisa monaco, said it at the podium, and she said we would gather all of the reports, all of the evidence and give it to congress. >> so you're saying this would be standard, this wouldn't be done to try to front run the trump administration coming in, it wouldn't be done out of fear that they would destroy these documents. >> this would be entirely consistent with what the president ordered, which is get to the bottom of what happened. clint really put the nail on the head with his testimony. and the bottom line is this, whether intentional or not, the president has beautiful fallen into doing trump administration business for it. what they have done is undermine confident and credibility in our institution and by spreading fake news, that's what's happening, the president unfortunately has become the
leading consumer and purveyor f of fake news. speaking with one young man who joined isis and then returned home let me ask you something, if you had been asked while you were in syria to execute someone, would you have done it? >> look, in islam, there's the pledge of alliance. >> would you have done it? >> because you have to obey the amir. >> so you would have done it? >> believe me, it not a funny thing to execute people, it's something terrible, but yeah. >> "isis: behind the mask" airs on cnn.
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