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president is back tweeting about russia and how the real victim is himself and a supporter of the presumed target is pushing back. the question though is the president's only evidence something he saw on early morning television? as his drama is playing out in 140 characters or less, the house and senate intelligence committees get back to revealing the entire puzzle piece by piece. witness by witness, while more on all of that now from manu raju. >> reporter: tonight, congress' investigation into russia's meddling in the u.s. election is taking shape. witness the senate intelligence committee now interviewing witnesses. the house panel meeting after weeks of turmoil. the white house and republicans now raising new questions over whether the identity of any of trump associates were revealed or unmasked within the intelligence committee during obama's final days as president. the president tweeting sunday,
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the real story turns out to be surveillance and leaking. >> serious allegations have been made inviting privacy rights of american citizens who might have been caught up in the collection of foreign intelligence. that's a serious matter. >> reporter: democrats say the white house's focus of unmasking certain associates is a smokescreen intended to distract from allegations of coordination between the trump campaign and russia seeking to interfere in the elections. >> i think the answer is this effort to point the congress in another directions. basically say, don't look at russia. there's nothing to see here. i would tell people, whenever they see the president use the word fake, it ought to set off alarm bells. >> reporter: behind the scenes, the house intelligence committee is trying to finalize a list of witnesses to interview as part of the russia investigation. the senate is looking to talk to at least 20 witnesses as part of its sweeping inquiry. that's all in addition to the fbi's criminal investigation.
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a major question, how will congress deal with former trump national security adviser michael flynn who asked for immunity in exchange for his testimony? some republicans call the proposal a strange idea. >> do you think congress should give immunity to michael flynn? >> i don't know what he has to offer. i wouldn't give immunity unless i knew they had something to offer. >> what about the president saying he should be given immunity? >> i think he's trying to encourage him to come forward. i'm not sure that's appropriate. if there were any contact between the trump campaign and russian intelligence services that were inappropriate, i want to find out about it. and i want the whole world to know about it. manu joins us now. what more can you tell us about this talk of unmasking? >> multiple members of the house intelligence committee told me tonight that they want to hear more about this and plan to hear about this tomorrow during a private closed door meeting in which they're expected to learn more about what adam schiff, the top democrat on the committee and the gop chairman devin nunes saw in separate briefings in the
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white house as part of surveillance information that shows some trump communications were incidentally collected and unmasked in the words of devin nunes. earlier today, fox news and bloomberg news reported that the former obama national security adviser was involved, susan rice, was involved in the unmasking. something that a source tells close to susan tells jim sciutto that is false. and she didn't do anything improper. but that's going to be a subject of further discussion in the house. and anderson, tonight our colleague caught up with devin nunes. asked him to comment about susan rice, if she was involved. he said this, no comment. >> thanks very much. joining us is a member of the house intelligence committee, connecticut democratic congressman jim himes. today was the first time they have met since schiff called for chairman nunes to recuse himself. what can you say? i mean how did it go?
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>> well, the good news is the committee is back up and running. did our typical early in the week hot spot briefing today. it looks like we're continuing to be promised access to the information that caused the chairman to do what he did a week and a half ago. i'm hopeful maybe this is coming back on track. >> i was going to ask if anyone in the meet g reiterated a call for nunes to step aside. you are saying russia was not the -- the russia investigation was that not even discussed? was the topic regular order of business? >> it was regular order of business. it did not come up. look, you know, we're doing our best to sort of see if we can't get this -- the committee first and the investigation going again. i think having ranking member schiff go to the white house and look at the information, we obviously -- the rest of us need access. we need to look at it. our hope is that we can get this on track. >> as we were reporting last week, schiff and nunes spoke to each other last week. they agreed to bring back james comey to testify. is that your understanding still that that will happen behind closed doors?
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>> yeah. well, as you know the chairman has asked and has been asking that we have that meeting. the democrats, we got together friday and said, fine, if the chairman wants to have that meeting, let's do that. we said, let's do that. no preconditions. we are expecting the chairman to reschedule the open hearing which is the day of the open hearing is when all this craziness began over a week ago. we have been told that it will be rescheduled. as you heard the president also said he wanted the deputy attorney general to testify. you know, again, we're going to move forward here and hope we don't have any eventualers like the one that took our committee offtrack a week ago. >> the open hearing, would that be sally yates, james clapper and others? they were supposed to testify last tuesday. that's the one chairman nunes canceled. >> well, that's exactly right. it's not so much he canceled it as he scheduled the closed testimony of comey and mike rogers on top of it. again, it's all a little murky.
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the point is that we said fine, sit down behind closed doors with comey and rogers and do the open hearing. >> in terms of this issue about susan rice, and unmasking, how concerned are you about the issue of unmasking and then information being leaked to reporters? >> i guess i have two things to say. one, there's nothing unusual about unmasking. we get all kinds of intelligence intercepts all the time. it involves masked u.s. person information. it could be a reference to a u.s. person. it could be a u.s. person talking. happens all the time as does the unmasking. if somebody feels there's intelligence value -- there's a series of procedures that you have to go through. lawyers look over your shoulder. there's nothing unusual about unmasking. with respect to susan rice, it's one report out there. it's not particularly unusual that a national security adviser might ask for something to be unmasked. we just need to remember that so
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far there's absolutely no allegation of wrongdoing, even by the chairman. this has nothing to do, even though i think some people would look to cloud the issue, has absolutely nothing to do with the president's charge that obama had him wiretapped. >> congressman, appreciate your time. bring in our panel. first of all, your reaction to what the congressman said. >> well, first off i'll give susan rice the benefit of the doubt in she didn't do anything outside the scope of her responsibility. a month ago she said she didn't know anything about this, until she heard nunes' report. so i think there's so much back and forth from all sides. i think we all need to sit back, not jump to conclusions and let this investigation play out as it should. let's not preconclude what the findings will be. >> bill whereby on the unmasking issue, there seems to be two
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issues. one, there's unmasking how widely was somebody -- was somebody unmasked to one senior official? was it spread throughout the obama administration? then also, was any of that information leaked to reporters? >> so far -- back, we're just at the beginning of this. we don't know a lot. we have to be careful about jumping too far. i would have to say, it seems to me that if i were national security adviser during ordinary surveillance that the fbi and cia were doing about foreign agents in this country, and there popped up several conversations where names that you could know they were sort of the same person kept popping up, i think it was her job to say, who are these people and what are they talking about. ow, it looks she was doing her job. it wasn't anti-trump. it was a pronational security move. >> yeah. look, we have mostly in the past seen people say, i can't comment on this issue until the investigation is fully done. you normally see that from the
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white house, from every federal official. you haven't seen that this time because mostly you have the president weighing in through twitter, stoking the fire and moving the story forward. but i agree prudence here is absolutely necessary. it's very good the intelligence committee and house is back on track it seems. >> they were reporting the statement from a person close to susan rice saying the idea that ambassador rice improperly sought the identities of americans is false. there's nothing unusual about making these requests whether democrat or republican. do you buy that? because manu also said susan rice's role as national security advisor would include at times unmasking information. >> i don't buy it. i can't be as kind as the people on your panel so far, anderson. susan rice is a very, very controversial person. she said bowe bergdahl was captured on this battlefield.
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she also said that ben gauzy was caused by a video. recently, she said she knew nothing about any of this. this is the democrat equivalent of karl rove saying -- his name popping up. so remember susan rice herself is a story. it's controversial. the other thing is, nobody is arguing the unmasking. they're arguing about the dissemination of it. how did we know about the flynn phone call and who was it that told the press about it? that's the felon. >> we should point out, nunes is saying the information he saw had nothing to do with russia. i'm assuming that wasn't the flynn conversation. >> but you know, that's also important. on unmasking, you only unmasking when it's a matter of national security or high important. it appears that this was going on for over a year and it had nothing to do with russia or national security matters. i think there's a heck of a lot of questions now that are going to be offered -- asked on both
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sides. >> van jones, what do you make of what the congressman said? >> well, first of all, i just can't understand what the problem here is. she's the national security adviser. her job is to give advice. in order to give advice, she has to have information. to get the information, she's got to ask questions. she's basically doing her job. all that's been exposed she's doing her job. if somebody else is leaking it to the press, that's another thing. just to say she's controversial in the right wing media so therefore there's some big deal because it's her. any national security adviser advising the president has to ask questions about the information that they get. that's all that she's doing. the rest of this stuff is just a bunch of nonsense trying to divert attention from what is clearly a very serious issue with the possibility that the president's campaign was colluding with russia.
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>> jason, i mean the president's tweets over the weekend pointing to surveillance, calling the russian investigation phony. sure, it appeals to the base. should he be doing that when there's an fbi investigation as well as a house and senate intelligence investigation? >> i would say the president's getting his side of the story out. i think it's one of the things that helped him win this election. the fact that he can take to twitter and he can go around the media. you have seen all day long that paints the picture of 90% negative making it look like there's something there. but the fact of the matter is, if they have been looking at this for eight months and they haven't found anything, i think it's questionable if they will. what we know now is that susan rice, very top aide in the previous administration, was systematically going through and on numerous occasions was unmasking american names, disseminating that information to numerous different agencies. >> no, no, no. that's not true. >> don't do that. >> no. >> there's not true.
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>> you can't say that she wasn't -- she was doing her job. it looks very questionable all the way back to july, all the way until january. look, i don't know how many people they have set up to testify in front of the committee. i think they're going to have to have another one testify -- >> just for factual -- the idea that it's widely disseminated, we don't have information on that. >> it's a complete smear. it's not anticipatable. no. hold on a second. >> look at -- >> you can't come on the air and say that susan rice is disseminating -- nobody said that except for you. it's not fair. part of what we have to be able to -- >> van, remember, from all standpoint and our being defender of the administration, you have evelyn farcus who said she wanted to tell her friends in the political world to get the information out. >> what does that have to do with susan rice? >> she left in 2015. >> she did. why -- how did she know there was surveillance going on? that's a huge question.
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>> i want to point out one thing. adam schiff was right. this is -- we're all falling for it. donald trump is saying, look over there. look at susan rice. look at tony podesta. he tweeted out this morning. let's get back, the central issue is the president of the united states accused the former president of wiretapping trump tower on march 4th and since then there's been not one shred of evidence. and he keeps trying to change the subject. >> we have breaking news on the vice-president meeting with house republicans trying to resurrect a way of repealing obamacare. that just got wrapped up. word on what was said. the president's meeting with china's president, his meeting with egypt's leader as well today. jared kushner's role in the administration. and on his visit to iraq. more on that as we continue. oesr your moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. be the you who shows up in that dress. who hugs a friend. who is done with treatments that don't give you clearer skin.
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you heard right. the white house and republican lawmakers are trying again. now vice-president pence is working to bring conservative and moderate republicans back on board. phil mattingly joins us with the very latest. what do we know about what was discussed? >> there's something on the table. that's a shift from what we have seen. it was only 11 days ago the president pronounced this was dead. they were moving on to health care reform. turns out that's not actually the case. the white house is now basically offering to try and get those conservatives back on board. two things, the opportunity for states to apply for waivers to get away from the essential health benefits required under obamacare, the ten requirements that every insurance plan would have. also a waiver to get away from the community rating system. that requires insurers that can't change premiums based on gender or age or health situations.
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that's something the freedom caucus members, the conservatives have been pushing for. they believe that will help drive premiums down. that's now on the table. there is not a deal. that's what mark meadows, the chair of the freedom caucus said. they are waiting to see legislative text. he is saying this is a positive step forward, which is more than nothing, which is where we have been for the last ten days or so. >> what kind of time line are we looking at? is there any indication they are close to a compromise once they see something on paper? >> look, i think the big question right now is how do you bridge the gap? it's a gap that's very much -- it's a needle that the leadership tried to thread earlier trying to make sure conservatives and moderates are happy. the conservative members want to vote on this as soon as possible. they leave for a two-week recess at the end of this week. if they can get something on the floor by this week, they would be thrilled. it's worth noting, i'm urging caution here based on talking to house leadership sources and talking to those moderate members. the idea that these issues, these areas that have been put on the table by the white house
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will bring moderates along is very much an open question. if you remember, these essential health benefits were put on the table towards the end of the negotiations before the bill fell apart. moderates made clear they were not comfortable with this. they didn't like the headlines that would come out of it. they didn't like how it would treat their constituents. that's an open question. vice-president pence met with with a small group of modts today. what i'm hearing is basically this. leadership stepped back, let them take the lead. i asked one aide, why is that the case? the white house realized the man who inhabits the oval office doesn't like losing. he took a loss. >> i know you have been talking to folks on capitol hill. you've been checking your phone. what are you hearing? >> similar to what phil said. members of the freedom caucus have wanted a bill to repeal and replace obamacare. while the president is talking tough on twitter, he is working to make sure and get a consensus on this.
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as phil said, allowing states to opt out of obamacare mandates is critical. the community waivers, these are key issues that they can compromise on. first and foremost, the house freedom caucus members hold the key. they promised they will provide lower premiums and greater access to health care. as long as they can come together on this, i can see something pen to paper and a bill -- >> it's a pipe dream. it's a pipe dream. look, the freedom caucus does not hold the key to this. you done get any moderates. you don't get democrats. >> freedom caucus and get moderates -- >> you don't get 217 or 218. you don't get all the republicans you need. this is the problem. this gave the keys to the kingdom to the freedom caucus. they can't take yes for an answer. they're just dallying around with the freedom caucus again to no end. i talked to members of the congress that got to yes. they haven't been reached by leadership. >> margaret is not going to like
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hearing me say this. donald trump made a mistake in trusting paul ryan once to line up the votes. paul ryan did not deliver. i think he is making a big mistake thinking paul ryan will deliver. >> it's the white house engaging the freedom caucus. >> he is the speaker. he has to deliver. i believe donald trump ducked a bullet in losing the bill. now, if they get something together, what's going to happen 22 million people on obamacare are going to be out of protection. 70 million people on medicaid are potentially losing medicaid, they will own this. donald trump will own this. >> van, you think they can get a deal together? >> well, it looks to me that there's a deeper problem here, which is more -- we talk about what's going on in d.c. that's a problem at the base. the conservatives want repeal. the populists want replace. in other words, you have a lot of people at the base level --
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all they thought was obamacare costs too much. when trump gets in there, i will get my premiums lowered. what none of the conversation has been happening around trump care or trump don't care or whatever you want to call it has gotten to scratch their itch around the need to have lower premiums. and so you're starting to see now if you look at these right wing blogs, some of the grass root conservative said, there's disquiet not just trump lost, but i may not be able to get my health care. if you wind up with that at the outcome, no matter what happens, if they pass a bill, if they don't, you will have a deflation of the trump base when you get to the mid term election. >> when this was defeated the last time, there was talk from republicans about not -- kind of doing an overarching deal but trying to go piece by piece. is that off the table? >> i think they're actually -- pete roscum proposed you do one very big comprehensive piece of legislation and then as you --
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that works its way through the system, you pull out of it the parts that could actually pass by consensus on reconciliation and you combine that with what tom price can do through executive orders. there is a way out of here. i blurred a complicated process. i know it's a matter of numbers. right now, all they need to do is get to 216 votes. the senate will rewrite it. the conference committee will rewrite it after that. so this is one step. i do believe it's one that the freedom caucus wants to re-visit. i talked to mark meadows, i talked to some freshmen yesterday. they all feel the need. because they know like every other republican in america they ran on repeal and replace. they have to come out with a product. >> hearing phil mattingly's reporting the white house realized president trump doesn't like to lose, do you think that is a big driving factor here, that he wants to prove that he can get a deal done?
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he thinks this is obviously something he ran on. >> they're going to have to get a deal done at a certain point. obamacare is failing. it's only a matter of months until we find out what the premium increases are going to be for this next year. how many additional people are kicked off the insurance that they have. the law as it stands, it isn't going to work. they have to deal with it. i would urge them to take their time. we have plenty of time to come to this. we know the president is very excited about tax reform. and infrastructure reform. these are measures he can go into right now and -- rushing this through and having another one come up short i think could be a real problem. >> i want to thank everybody. up next, president trump's meeting with the president of egypt. he will meet with china's message. what message does he plan to send?
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president trump will sit down with china's president. it's one of three meetings with foreign leaders on his schedule this week. the first was today with egypt's leader. sarah murray has more. >> reporter: president trump kicking off a week of high
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stakes diplomacy lamented the terrorist attack at a metro station in russia. >> terrible thing. happening all over the world. absolutely a terrible thing. >> reporter: trump's warnings on terrorism sure to drive the discussion in a series of sit downs with world leaders this week. >> we will fight terrorism and other things. we're going to be friends for a long, long period of time. >> reporter: today trump welcoming egypt's president to the white house. before meeting with the king of jordan on wednesday and he will round out the week with china's president xi. trump's warm welcome today. >> i just want to say to you, mr. president, that you have a great friend and ally in the united states and in me. >> thank you very much. >> reporter: an early sign of a starkly different approach trump will take to foreign policy compared to his predecessor. former president obama had a frosty relationship with the egyptian president. after delivering sharp criticism of his human rights record. obama never invited him to the
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white house. for trump, counterterrorism is the priority. while human rights concerns are on the back burner. one administration official said they would be dealt with discreetly. today, white house press secretary sean spicer refused to say whether the two leaders discussed the topic. >> i'm not going to get into what they discussed. i will tell you we understand the concern and i think those are the kind of things that i believe progress is made privately. >> reporter: the new president's most anticipated meeting is with the chinese president. after serving up rhetoric on the campaign trail about china's trade policies -- >> we can't continue to allow china to rape our country. that's what they're doing. it's the greatest theft in the history of the world. >> reporter: trump said he would use this visit to put china on notice about north korea's nuclear program. telling the financial times, china will either decide to help us with north korea and they
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won't. if they do, that will be very good for china. if they don't, it won't be good for anyone. even warning, the u.s. will act unilaterally if necessary, saying if china is not going to solve north korea, we will. that's all i am telling you. >> sarah murray joins us. i understand president trump spoke with putin today. >> that's right. we saw him talk about how the terrorist attacks were terrible. but we're learning from a senior administration official that there was a very brief but private call between donald trump and russian president vladimir putin. that was the opportunity the president took to express these sympathies privately about the terrorist attacks in russia. again, we're told this was a very brief phone call. this comes as there's a lot of scrutiny about the relationship between donald trump and his associates and anyone in russia. >> thanks very much. a lot to discuss. richard haas. he joins me tonight.
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richard, jared kushner in iraq, he has no experience militarily in foreign affairs. he has a very huge portfolio in this administration. it seems like major foreign policy for mideast peace, dealing with china, government innovation and now iraq, what do you make of this? >> what jared kushner has is the ear and trust of the president of the united states. the fact that he would go to iraq to get himself somewhat familiarized with that seems to me to be welcome, because the bottom line is, he is going to have access. he is going to be in a position to say things. the more informed he is by experience the more access he has to experienced people and to situations on the ground, the better. >> it's also -- a smart move for the joint chiefs chairman who invited him to bring him because he has the ear of the president and clearly joint chiefs chairman is very much aware of
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that. the president during the campaign was talking about taking iraq's oil, i think he said to me there is no iraq, there are no iraqis. if kushner sees things, talks iraq's prime minister, that's to the better. >> exactly. also, places like iraq and syria, anderson, american diplomats have very little role. essentially, the military has taken on almost the entirety of american foreign policy. they're the ones that are there on the ground. they're the ones that are interacting on a day by day basis with local officials and local millitaries. whether it's the future of syria we're talking about or the future of iraq, it's really the american military that is -- that represents and holds the cards for the united states. again, from where i sit, this is a useful trip. >> is it clear to you where foreign policy decisions are being made in this administration? obviously, secretaries of state,
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defense have gone overseas and said things which contradict candidate trump, secretary of defense in rock saying last time saying we're not going to take iraq's oil. how concerning is it that the secretary of state may not be in on some of the meetings, may not have the ear of the president? >> again, secretary tillerson is meeting quite regularly with the president. i think it's clear that the center of foreign policy decision making is the white house. it's the president. it's jared kushner. steve bannon, the strategist is influenced. there's mcmaster. of all the cabinet officials, the one with the most weight is the secretary of defense, jim matts. in the middle east, that reflects his experience and the fact that most of the people on the ground are wearing military uniforms rather than business suits. >> in terms of this administration's foreign policy, whether it's china or egypt today meeting with the president, the administration
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says president trump will take a private and discreet approach to things like human rights and it's best discussed behind closed doors. do you agree with that? >> up to a point. it's important then that it is discussed behind closed doors that the united states makes whatever points it has. in egypt, for example, it's not clear that this leadership has founded a path of long-term stability. the polarization of egyptian society under the president i think raises some long-term questions. publically, you have to be careful. it can cause a nationalist reaction. you can alienate a government if you are critical of them on human rights. it's hard to cooperate with them on other issues. that said, like everything else in life, it's a balance. if you don't say things when russian troops and police are hitting people on the streets of mow cow and other cities or when we ignore the protesters as we did several years ago during the iran revolution, it encourages regimes and demoralizes.
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>> president trump said if china isn't going to solve north korea, we will. which, essentially a public threat. what do you make of that? obviously, relations with north korea are hard to calibrate even in the best of times. is it good policy to be public with the threat like that? >> again, i think it's a message that the chinese understand that if they don't use the influence that they have or more of the influence they have with north korea, it's going to leave the united states with stark choices. the chinese aren't going to like those choices. we will keep building missile defense or we will use military force, which they don't want to see. if there's going to be a successful negotiation, china is going to have to use the leverage from the reality that most of north korea's trade goes in and out over chinese territory. china will have to weigh in with the government and pyongyang. this is reminding them of what the reality is. >> how much willingness do you
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think there is on china's part to try to be tougher with north korea? obviously, the last thing they want is a unified korea or further destabilized north korea on their border. >> that's -- you put your finger on it. that's the chinese dilemma. if they law things to drift, it increases the odds the united states will use military force. or a situation in a decade where other countries in the region might decide they need nuclear weapons of their own. that's obviously a nightmare for china. if they press the north koreans too hard, it could bring down the regime. that could create a unified korea which is in the american strategic orbit. china wants to find the just right option to put enough pressure on north korea that they compromise but not so much that they bring it down. i think that will be one of the key suggests at mar-a-lago and in the months that follow. >> thank you so much. >> thanks. just ahead, the hundreds of u.s. citizens who live along the u.s./mexico border and could have their land seized to build
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tomorrow to submit bids for the first step of president trump's campaign promise building prototypes of a wall along the mexico border. this much is certain, hundreds if not thousands of u.s. citizens will have to give up their private land to build the border wall. we know this because it's happened already. cnn investigated lawsuits filed the last time the government started building on the border and found legal battles that dragged on for years. homeowners who described heartache because they never got what they felt they deserved. drew griffin tonight reports. >> reporter: their lives were cut in half the last time the u.s. government decided it wanted to build a wall. ray and deanne couldn't believe it. they're family had been farming this south texas land for nearly 100 years until the notice came the government was taking it. >> i was very angry. i just kept saying, how can they do that? how is that possible in the united states that they can do this? put up a fence in front of our
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land and then keep us in here. lock us in. i didn't understand. i was very -- i was floored and flabbergasted. >> reporter: that was almost ten years ago. they thought they could fight. they lost. the government paid them a settlement and took the land it needed to build this fence. cutting their farm in two. >> it left us no property on the u.s. side of the border wall. including my house. everything was behind -- on the mexican side of the u.s. border fence. >> reporter: these american citizens were locked out of their own country. their farm ended up on the south side of the border fence, still on u.s. soil. but wedged between the fence and the border with mexico. their only access to the rest of the u.s., a locked gate. >> there's not really words to describe it. we have learned to live with it.
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but when you come and you enter the border gate, you punch your code in or you come behind the border wall, there is a feeling of isolation. >> reporter: a few months ago they found out how isolated they really are. in the middle of the night, a fire broke out. as the fire raged, fire engines were slow to get there, hampered by the border fence. >> i kept standing there yelling, where are they? i had called 911. she was clear. she heard me on the call. she knew where i was. they couldn't get in here according to our neighbors. they said the fire trucks kept driving up and down the street. we heard the fire trucks. >> reporter: the family got out barely. but not their pets. >> we had a miniature goat. he was on fire. he was running out of the structure screaming. he was burning alive. everything was gone. he told me, you can't go back in for them. we all stood in the yard, and we had to listen to their cries
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burning alive. we couldn't go back in and save them. >> reporter: their story is part of a cnn analysis of 442 lawsuits, filed by the u.s. government against american landowners. the property owners either fought to keep their land or tried to get more money than the federal government was offering under eminent domain. in most cases, a cnn analysis found those land owners lost the battle. a decade later, 93 of the lawsuits are still in court. what did all those land owners get? a total of $78 million, the fair market value to cover 654 miles of current border fence land the government took. what happened ten years ago in mostly desolate, dry ranch land will be nothing compared to what is about to take place. president trump's recent executive order to expand the border wall could stretch into more highly populated areas.
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it will bisect hundreds of miles of wall and hundreds if not thousands of land owners will be forced to sell their property to the government. former customs and border protection commissioner said expect huge, prolonged legaled battles. >> particularly in the urban areas, it's going to be very complicated. it's going to be -- it's not a popular idea. like i said, individuals are not happy when they lose part of their property. >> reporter: a golf club in brownsville, texas, is bracing for the worst. the fence is here on the right and the left. if the government decides to finish it, it will cut the resort in two. >> 70% of our property would be on the south side of the wall. that would affect 15 of our 18 holes of the golf course and over 200 residences. >> reporter: jeremy is the
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general manager and says residents here will fight for fair value of their property. >> i don't think anybody here is just going to hand over their property. >> reporter: pat bell is one of them. >> what happens here means everything to me. >> reporter: like almost everyone cnn talked to along this border, bell is a trump supporter. but she does not support a wall, especially one that would essentially move her to the mexican side of it. she says fences and walls don't work. which is exactly why she plans to fight for her property. >> absolutely i would go to the people that are in charge and -- you hate to say i would get a lawyer. but if it come to that issue and had you to, you would. >> reporter: like thousands of other property owners along the border, nervously waiting the final design, placement and eventual legal notice that the u.s. government is coming to take away their land. >> drew joins us. to be clear, no notices have gone out to property owners.
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but if the president does go ahead with the wall, how would things then unfold? >> anderson, if history repeats itself, hand owners would be forced to sell their properties to the government, lose we have done analysis of all of the lawsuits that came out of the 2006 border fence expansion. and what we found was property owners who fought the government to keep their land always lost. and the government offered them thousands of dollars less than what the land was worth. that's more than 400 lawsuits. people lost their land, lost their court battles and got paid less than what they wanted. anderson? >> drew griffin, appreciate the investigation. thank you. the latest on the deadly subway bombing in russia. at least ten people are dead. dozens more hurt. shutting down the subway metro system. take 5, guys. tired of your bladder always cutting into your day?
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breaking news from russia. a massive search for the suspect or suspects responsible for a deadly explosion in st st. petersburg this afternoon. ten are dead, dozens are injured after an explosion that tore through a subway train
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that russian officials are saying it's a terrorist attack. the people trapped inside the train frantically tried to escape by prying open doors, breaking open windows. a second device was found at another station. that was disabled. our paula newton joins us now from st. petersburg with more. paul, what are investigators saying right now about who could be behind the attack and any connection to president putin being in that area? >> reporter: yeah, at least one lawmaker said, could it really be a coincidence, this is vladimir putin's hometown? he was here doing a political summit. as the hours go by, no indication that investigators are any closer to finding any suspect or suspects that might be responsible. obviously they are scouring some of that horrific video and all the video that came before it at two specific stations to see who could have left what was essentially one very powerful bomb inside the car and the other one, as you indicated, outside the platform. and anderson, you know that even
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the one outside, as you've heard, it was a very powerful bomb, very crudely made, but definitely had it gone off, it would have created even more carnage. >> what's the mood like right now tonight? how are people reacting? >> reporter: well, you know, as you can see, people are just shattered here. i've actually been struck by how rattled they are. this is a main metro station, main subway station, so think of yourself going through a very busy subway station, one that you might go through a few times today. people were frantically trying to find loved ones, and then you speak to the eyewitnesses. i spoke to one man who was just -- didn't know what to do. he saw all of these people on the platform, but then when you looked beyond the platform to those ruined carriage cars, he said, where did i begin? what could i possibly do? and many people on that carriage car thought, we're never going to make it out of here alive. it was the sheer force of the
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blast that really took many people by surprise. i've seen many people break down here. vladimir putin was at another station just about a mile from here and laid his own flowers, but tonight he must be wondering exactly who perpetrated this and if it was generally an attack more focused on him, it being his hometown and him being here right in the middle of this terrorist attack today. >> thank goodness they were able to disable that second device. hopefully they'll be able to look at some evidence from it. paula newton, thank you very much. we'll be right back. hey! you know, progressive is america's number-one motorcycle insurer. yeah, she does purr! best bike i ever owned! no, you're never alone, because our claims reps are available 24/7. we even cover accessories and custom parts. we diget an early start! took the kids to soccer practice. you want me to jump that cactus? all right. aah! that lady's awesome.
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that does it for us. thanks for watching. i'm handing it over to don lemon. "cnn tonight" starts now. a secret meeting on a remote island, a trump associate and a putin confidante. what was on the agenda? this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. it happened on the its just days before donald trump's inauguration. but what did vladimir putin want from that undercover meeting? i'm going to talk to the reporter who broke that story. plus, president trump's latest defense for his in defensible wiretapping claim. no surprise it comes from fox news. and no surprise it does not support the president's claim that the obama administration spied on him. and what does a 30-something new york real estate heir know about iraq, china and the middle east? jared kushner is president