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plus -- more about why fbi thinks advisor could be acting as a agent. plus people around the world outraged by this. >> come on. come on. >> no. oh, my god. look what you did to him. >> united ceo finally apologizing but it's not over yet. the family of the man who was dragged off that plane dr. david dowell is being treated at a chicago hospital. to our breaking news first. on the trump administration charges proper surveillance by obama administration. more about the claims devin nunes that members of the obama administration improperly requested the identity of americans appearing in intelligence reports. to refresh your memory here's what congressman nunes said previously. >> there's some information in those documents that concern me, the reports that i read, that i
don't think belong there. it would make me uncomfortable. >> "think the president need foz see them himself. i'm certained about identities the being unmasked np intelligence reports. >> nunes said he would share what he saw with other members and he has. and we're learning more. >> well, don tonight both republican and democratic lawmakers are casting doubts on the claim that's devin nunes made that obama officials requested names of individuals redakted in those documented. lawmakers and aides who have soon these exact same documents
that nunes reviewed last month they see no evidence that obama officials did anything out of the ordinary or illegal one congressional source described these requested made to unmask these individuals as normal and appropriate. >> so you have talked to sources who have seen these documents. what are they telling you about their contents. >> they're saying there is nothing there including one congressional source who did see these document who said quote there's absolutely no smoking gun in these reports and said have the white house declassify them to make it clear that there's nothing alarming in there. now a lot of questions have been raised about the role of susan rice president obama's former national security advise roar whether she acted legally requesting the names of those check theed in those reports and president trump believes rice may have broken the law but don multiple sources who have
reviewed these documents say flatly they do not back up what the president claims that she may have broken the law that these are routine requests. the president has not revealed what intelligence he's relying on to make at surance that rice broke the others others have asked and they've still not provided that. >> even if the obama administration act the properly what are the rules in grant theegz questions. >> threes set by the intelligence committee. certain senor intelligence agencies can decide whether to grant this request. these requests are rarely denied dedespite the question they twr within the law of practice some having concerns about the
justifications given by some of those officials to request the unmasking of these individuals and the standards of the int intelligence agencies to grant the request. right now there's some concern how it's been dong right now. >> you were one of the first to report chairman nunes was force to temporarily recuse him several because of his handle of the documents what's the status of that investigation. >> it appears to be moving forward. democratic democrats and republicans have agreed on witnesses they want to interview. republicans want to folk on who leaked the classified information they believe is a crime. democrats are looking for any ties between russia and the trump associates and trying to
talk to a number of those trump associates one person on that list is going to be susan rice. she'll be interviewed in the coming weeks. >> thank you very much. >> thanks, don. bringing in our next analysts. so good evening to everyone and thank you for joining us. julia, i'll start with you, the wooush post reported -- fbi obtained fisa warrant to monitor carter, what does it say about submission.
>> the fisa warrant wire tap was approved after trump mentioned carter name. inclination would be very cautious playing in the political space. secondly remember fisa standard knowing page would be in knowing standard. third, this is just to raise caution to the story. no direct tie to trump. this is important because it is fisa wire tap but in the story there no knowingness between trump and page. >> the post reports the government's application for the surveillance order targeting page included a lengthy declaration that laid out bases believing page was -- knowingly entajed on intelligence
activities on behalf of moscow so saying he was russian spy and reporting to get a meeting with trump what's your reaction. >> the preassumption of the assumption you can't get fisa warrant, these are very, very thick applications, thick as a wrist sometimes trying to get the information needed. this tells you the man was already on the radar for the fbi probably in 2013 when he was initially linked to a russian spy that was convicted of being a spy undocumented in the united states and reported to the attorney general. so you had that conversation there. julia is right however there is no yet a link to donald trump. remember probable cause to get it the first time is hard enough with fisa to have it repeatedly renewed over more than one 90-day period suggests that the court has seen sufficient information to warrant
additional investigation or there's additional information they need to get and still more probable cause in the new warrants either way this indicates that the fbi investigation is very, very ongoing, it is ripe at this moment in time ands going to continue particularly with respect to carter page. >> faried how's it fit in with what we know about michael flynn and paul manfred. >> again you have a lot of smoke, you don't have a fire, it's uncanny how many people close to the front the campaign seem to have some kind of connection with russia. and then the part to me that's as interesting is when these investigations begin the wild almost crazy way in which the trump administration tries to counter attack and shut down the allegations that rice broke the law it would be easy to know it
would be disproven but the frenzy with which it's being done suggests there's something here. we don't have a smoking gun but as i say there's a lot of smoke. >> do you think this could be examples of drifting because the money is in russia. >> no. because china has a lot of money, kazakhstan and nigeria have lots of money. no. there's something else going on i would guarantee you it would be very difficult to find this pattern of contact with any previous presidential campaign in a single government in quite the same way. >> i want to ask about reporting no evidence of wrongdoing with what do you think. >> there's never been indication there was any wrongdoing from the get go i don't think it's particularly surprising although it's now confirmed.
information is sometimes disseminateded with their name without their names, sometimes masked. rice would be in the scope of her duties this is a close of a loop on the story that never quite was. always part of her job. the only remaining question is why devin nunes felt the need to hold these dramatic press conferences. >> we'll hear from steve and jack after the break.
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new questions tonight on the ongoing reporting investigation. back now with my panel. steve, carter page was on the fbi's radar in 2013 after he made contact with russian intelligence agent in new york. are you surprised someone with his back grund can get so close to president trump? >> well, don, not really. to me the information that's
come out of the washington post reporting today has all of the hall marks of a classic russian intelligence operation where you identify someone you hope will be close to an important policy maker and identify what his involvements are, you have saying he's a guy who is willing to pass dock iuments and is looksing for money. he's been in moscow and they have all that information on him. this is nothing more than classic russian human inside intelligence operation and looks close to being successful. >> what would the goal be then? >> the russians are always looking to see who is the next person who will be in the white house. who will be an important political or economic figure in the united states.
you're not going to recruit donald trump to be your spy. not like in the movies or something like that, will you be look ageing at people who meet y with him and have access to him. it didn't work out but that's the cost of doing business in the intelligence world. >> got you so. the administration says carter page wasn't really an advisor but should they have known his back ground, seems his affinity for russia was well-known. >> absolutely not. this was a very, very obscure short-time advisor and what or who he advised has never been proven and in fact he's said on cnn he it written papers that he seen in, i don't think anyone in the campaign saw. he never met trump. >> why would the president name him? >> because early on in the campaign when you're filling out your charts you say yeah i got a security guy, got a transportation team, i got a
medical advisory group those kind of advisory groups are very common to any campaign and to suggest russian -- >> so how could carter page be second name onto list. >> i don't think any of the panelists have suggested but it sounds to me what steve is saying they recruit a lot of people an encourage them to get involved in various campaigns because there's absolutely positively no way anyone would have guessed donald trump would have been a presidential contender in 2013 and even march 2016 no one would have said -- >> you believe he could have been part of russian espionage operation. >> i'm saying there's no way he was close to donald trump. if they were going out recruiting people would it not be logical to say they were probably doing it in other campaigns, other people, other positions if we operate under
theories that's as good as anyone els. >> can i say just one thing on that -- >> hold on let me say -- before i yield the floor. >> you're not in congress but go on jack. >> i think i'm the only one on this panel who was involved in the campaign who went to trump towers who was part of a daily phone call and i can tell you i absolutely never met carter page as part of the campaign in fact i met him the first time in the cnn green room in new york city. he was not in the inner circle. >> did you meet everyone on the campaign. >> i did not but i know who the players were. >> okay so manfred wasn't a player either because you never met him. >> no you asked me if i met everyone in the campaign. >> i'm just wondering, go ahead. >> again i got to be very careful around you. >> i'm trying to help you, jack zblts predicated, your theory jack is predicated you seem to
misunderstand what the fbi subject investigation really is. did not say precisely donald trump's efforts concluded with the russian government whether people were part of the campaign and whether they were somehow involved in a kolsive effort and that would include carter page. it just says the investigation was done correctly. >> go ahead julia. >> let me be clear about the fisa wire tap seeing a little piece of an overall investigation that included carter, stone, page, and remember cory was the one approved page going to russia, you then have jared kushner and others, you all have sessions
who was mentioned in the article -- >> whoa, whoa, let me back up, i don't know anything about carter page being sent to russia and cory signing off on it, is that what you said -- >> jack -- jack -- jack -- you have to let me finish. you cannot -- you cannot filibuster me. listen, jack it's been widely reported in the post and in the new york times that that's the case. >> oh. >> i'm just listing, as often. >> okay the new york times. >> a bunch of different data points. >> let her finish jack. >> excuse me, jack, this is just rude now. this is just rude. a bunch of different data points regarding a bunch of different pieces of investigation. so i was the first on saying look we don't have ties to trump with this story in the post but to argue that he can just be that this is a nothing story is to deny all the different pieces that are coming together. we don't know what the story is
yet. you can't sit here and say these are all random coincidences. >> and you can't say susan rice who is a known liar, let's be honest about it. >> word you are looking for is prev prevarcator. >> it started with rwanda with the -- >> you have no response to the reporting that said rice has done nothing wrong, both democrats and republics have seen the intelligence that devin nunes offered up. >> here's what i have to say, i don't remember anybody saying it was because she unmasked the people, the charge was why did she disseminate it and how. >> no they said she was unmasking no evidence she was disseminateding. >> she said one thing to and rhea mitchell and another to judy woodrough.
>> she explained that. next you're going to say there's another thing, suzanne hennessey is standing by patiently. >> for one thing we're talking about obama administration officials what they might have done, the question is whether there is a connection between carter, page, man fredmanfred, trump knew, it's a basic question of due diligence, whenever the president of the united states says this person is my foreign policy advisor granting that person authority all over the world that has consequences for the united states of america. i think there's a real question yeah r. >> i know we got to get to a break. i'm sorry producers.
so jack, you're with the trump campaign. you've been to russia, why so many people with the trump campaign going to russia and meeting with russians? do you have an answer for that? >> number one i know nothing about cory sending carter page to russia. >> you didn't answer my question. >> number two let me say this i went as part of the law firm i worked for made it a bundly clear at the time. had nothing to do with the trump campaign. >> okay. thank you. i got it go. i'm out of time. >> okay. >> breaking news republican kansas state treasurer has won the special election replacing miami pompae who became trump cie director. james thompson over chris rockhold. estes 53% of the vote to thompson's 45%.
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outrage spreading across the country and around the world over the shocking treatment of a paying customer literally dragged off a united airlines plane. >> no. >> hey, hey, come on, come on. >> come on. got to go. >> no this is
-- oh, my god, look what you did to him. oh, my -- >> the latest on how united is facing this fall out tonight. so, renee, good evening. united airlines ceo called the
passenger disruptive and beli bebeligerent. >> but since has sent a third message, and oscar munoz finally got his tone right but it took two days of videos and backlash before the airline made the direct apology to the passenger who was dragged off that over booked flight on sunday night and he says i deeply apologize to the customer forced to be removed, and to the
customers on board and said no one should be treated way. he is ed that there's going to be a review completed by april 30th. this new statement is a far cry from the e-mail he sent to employees where he essentially defended the flight crew but again did not defend that passenger.
>> the white house is also weighing in on this global outrage and the crisis that united airlines facing, fill us in. >> that's right the passenger we've confirmed his name is david dowell and he has now got an attorney and the white house is speaking out, press secretary sean spicer said the video how it was handled was truly troubling and here's what else he had to say -- >> law enforcement is reviewing that situation. i think there's plenty of law enforcement to review a situation like that and i know united airlines has stated they are currently reviewing their own policies. let's not get ahead of where that review goes. it was an unfortunate incident, clearly when you watch the video it is troubling to see how that was handling but they've clearly stated their desire to review
the situation, law enforcement is reviewing it, for us to start getting in front of what should be a local matter not necessarily meeting a federal response. needing a federal response. >> and an update on a man who we're watching being dragged flew the aircraft for the last two days now, we do know he's getting treatment at a chicago area hospital, again, like i said, he now has an attorney but this man told a local reporter that he wasn't doing well, he has a lot of injuries and is still pretty banged up. >> thank you renee. >> sure. i want to bring in now senator from maryland thank you for joining us, see you're in front of new york airport, obviously you're traveling, like the rest of us i'm sure you can't get over this video what's your reaction when you first saw it? >> i can't, it was outrageous
when i saw it and i think everybody would be sickened because people can imagine themselves sitting on an airplane and all of a sudden somebody coming up to them and saying you're out of here and forcible little objecting them that should not happen on any airline so we got to find a way to stop it. >> yeah. you talk about your outrage senator you said united must do more than apology full investigation needed, must treat passenger with respect not like cargo. what would you like congress to investigate? >> well first of all i join with a lot of my colleagues to send a letter to the ceo of united airlines demanding answers in this case and also trying to find out how often this happens, that's number one, but number two, as we look into it, it turns out that this is legal and my view is if you're on the airplane, if you're in your seat, nobody should be able to
involuntarily eject you because they over booked the air plane or they need the seats for somebody else they should provide you with an inducement that you accept, whether it's cash, whether it's tickets on another occasion. there will be a price point at which at least one passenger if they need more seats voluntarily leave but you can't just go dragging people out of their seats after they've purchased their ticket and they're about to take off and go to their destination. >> they did respond to the over booking. yesterday the flight was over booked today they said it wasn't they just needed the seats for the crew members and today a third statement released apologizing saying it's never too late to do the right thing. do you think they've given an appropriate explanation at this point, senator? >> no i don't think apologizes is enough. i think all airlines should say this will never happen.
in other words, if you boarded an airplane, unless you're posing a danger to the public which is not what this case was about, if you boarded an airplane and they need more seats either for their crew or because they over booked they got to get on that airplane and say passengers here's what we're going to offer the first person that accepts, whether it's cash or tickets on many other occasions, there will be passengers who voluntarily agree to give up their seats that's procedure they have used before people get on the airplane that should be required. you should never be allowed to kick someone out of a seat they paid for. >> i think everyone can agree that should be taken care of before people get on the plane. a passenger sitting few seats away from that man who was dragged to of the plane told me yesterday in an interview shouldn't be viewed as anything wrong on part of the police who
is to blame here? united airlines, the police, enough to go zblarnd obviously united airlines asked the chicago airport police to eject this person. it's their airline policy to involuntarily pull someone off the airplane. i don't think the chicago airport police should have cooperated in the way they did. but this was driven by the fact united airlines and other airlines involuntarily ask people to involuntarily get off of airplanes after they are boarded and as i'm saying, don, that should not be allowed to happen. i mean the airline should say to the passengers here's what we'll offer if someone doesn't want to take it they should offer more. >> right. >> apparently there's an overall cap on what you can give when you eject someone but no cap on what you can offer. we should look at all of those
things. >> since you're there in new jersey govern chris christie is there he's written a letter to secretary of transportation asking for immediate suspension of this over booking authority. do you support that. do you think airlines will ever consider over selling tickets given this incident? >> well i think the airlines are the ones that are going to have to bear the risk of over booking. if they over book they should have to offer the passengers something that induces the passenger to voluntarily give it up. before you board an airplane you're often confronted sometimes in these busy times by the airline person getting on the loud person and saying, will somebody volunteer to give up their seat in exchange for sometimes it's a free ticket somewhere else, some times it's
other kinds of inducements. that should bet process. the risk should be onto airline not some poor passenger who happens to draw the short straw. >> yeah senator, thank you. >> thank you. >> and straight ahead the family of the man violently yanked off the plane speaking out tonight. in my johnsonville commercial we open up in the forest. hi. i'm jeff. i'm eating my breakfast and all of a sudden a raccoon come up and ask me, "what are you eating?" i told him "johnsonville breakfast sausage, fully cooked." porcupine comes in and he says, "does that come in patties?" i said "yup" wolf comes in and says, "how'd you learn to talk to animals?" and i said "books"
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night. >> we're united airlines. you do what we say, when we say. and there won't be a problem. got it. if we say you fly. you fly. if not, tough [ bleep ]. >> ah, look what you did. >> give us a problem and we'll drag your ass off the plane and if you resist we'll beat you so badly you'll be using your own face as a floatation device. united airlines [ bleep ] you. >> wow. a satirical take and they're getting it from everywhere. here to discuss, our analysts, so good to have all of you on. watching that video is horrific, miles, first question i have, after all of the excuses
yesterday this plane wasn't over booked after all according to united so what happened here, miles. >> it was sold out and an airline dealing with pilot shortage coming out of bankruptcy we're talking about republic airlines, the actual owner and operator of this aircraft, coach air with united, they were having trouble staffing their aircraft trying to get a four person crew to louisville to prevent cancellation next day and took paying passengers off that aircraft. where was the captain? the captain on that metal tube is god and in the captain says don't do this it doesn't happen and i didn't see him or her managing this situation so i would like to find out who really was pulling the strings on this whole affair. >> glad you said that i thought the same thing the captain
usually comes on to deescalate things. >> exactly it's part of their job. >> so mark i have to ask you, the ceo, the buck stops guys him as well, he released a third statement calling the incident truly horrific saying no one should be mistreated this way. what kind of rights do passengers have. >> probably more tan most people realize. dot allows them to bump passengers and they have certain regulations and they are allowed to do it randomly but they have to compensate. less than 2 hours no compensation. more than four hours 13.50. it's a guide line from d.o.t. and it doesn't prohibit a lawsuit and you know a lawsuit is coming in a case like this. there's no upper limit with everything that happened to this gentlemen, the personal injuries and the social media has made
him a completely unintended celebrity digging into who he is and who he was s on the shoulders of united. >> because he's a private s citizen and now unwittingly now a public figure. >> absolutely. >> you say airlines go on power abuse their right to arrest, explain. >> that's right i get calls at least once a week, usually once a day of passengers who have been subjected to things like this, not beaten in this manner, seat them and beat them is not a regular habit of most airlines but flight a n tendances doing things like this and more, taking people off planes at will. if you tell the flight a attendant you will report them or that you will film them guaranteed you will get thrown off the plane. it's just rampant out there.
this wasn't even a legitimate over booking situation. the federal aviation regulations don't come into play like this so there's no limits on what this gentlemen can ask for because it's not legitimate over bumping situation. >> seat them and beat them. very well put. i have to ask what happens when a group of people are put in a situation, you're in a closed environment, the airline can kick you off the plane, many fem people feel they have no recourse when they travel. you heard the passengers say oh, what's going on but no one stood up to do anything. >> and the fear of direct consequences is what make that's disfusion phenomenon more severe people were yelling out how
could you do this, look what you're doing but no one stood up to take a stand, they could see one something horrible could happen to them just like this and number two the larger the group gets the bigger that group eechblgt becomes as well. so when you have a large group of people everyone's washing the social cues of others around them and expect if the situation was severe enough somebody would. >> do you think if one stood others would, not to fault the people there, there's nothing you could do. >> here's my concern at that point once the airline made the tragic mistake of bringing cops on the plane, cops have to win because honestly that's what they have to do it should have never got to that point. >> we'll hear more on the other side of this break. is there an elk in your bed?
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take control. ask your doctor about nonprescription ibgard. the ceo of united airlines apologizing tonight to the man forcibly removed from a flight and promising a thorough review of the incident. back with my panelists. we have some veterans here in psychology or mental health, the airline industry, and in law. can i talk to my airline industry guys in this because you're apparently really upset by this. what does this say about customer service in your industry? have they just sort of removed the experience of flying the way it used to be? does that have anything to do with therefore removing good customer service as well? mary, you first. >> oh, i think customer service has taken a back seat to all of the demands that the airlines have put on each other and on their flights and their schedules. and the problem is also that the planes are booked to capacity.
you know, we used to have excess capacity and they've taken that all out of the market with their competition and the reduction to just a handful of airlines. so i'm afraid customer service is what is gone. it's just a battle out there, and the internet has exploded. i think my favorite line is this. you get a voucher or an outure. that's what it comes down to. >> what upsets you about this, miles? >> they're overworked. they're underpaid. they are poorly managed, and we as customers have fewer and fewer choices as the airlines consolidate. i'm mad as heck, and i'm not going to take it anymore. i think all of us on those planes, we should put our phones down and try to help our fellow passengers a little bit. this poor guy was bleeding, and everybody is zooming in to get another shot of him. they should have helped him out a little bit. i'd like to call upon all of us who are getting on airplanes to have compassion and be kind to each other because the airline won't. >> mark o'meara. >> miles said it more
politically correct than i will. i think this was a poorly trained staff member, a flight attendant attendant to used a testosterone tussle that they were not going to lose a little mini battle with this person who was not going to get out of his seat. that's where the supervision and the training fell apart. it was horrific, and quite honestly it was a battery this guy caused by having this guy violently removed from the plane. they should be held responsible for what they did. >> we saw him, dr. judy, when he was, you know, appeared to be incoherent. what i said was, i don't know what sort of mental state i would be in if someone had just dragged me off of a plane or caused me to be bruised and bloody like that. >> absolutely because he did not expect this type of treatment. i think the people who were there to observe it, some people have actually reported to the press that they're traumatized and can still hear him screaming. really at this point united should also be responsible for offering some kind of trauma therapy or trauma treatment just for some of those individuals who really suffered. there were kids on this plane.
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