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>> all of the success has been through executive orders. we'll success is working with congress. >> a witness spotted cummings with his former students elizabeth thomas deep in the woods of northern california. >> they are gathering as much evidence as possible. it's a very, very small cabin. >> scientists and supporters are planning a huge march for science. 150,000 people expected to gather here on the mall and march to the capitol. welcome to saturday morning. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. good morning. >> this morning we want to begin with you with some new information on how russia tried to influence the 2016 election. fbi received intelligence last summer that suggested russian operatives tried to use trump advisors including carter page to infiltrate the trump campaign which means it was not just e-mail hacks and propaganda but
also perhaps some old-fashioned spy recruitment strategy. >> the officials made it clear they do not know if page was aware that the russians may have been using him because he could have unknowingly talked with russian agents. carter page told cnn easterly this month how he met the russian operative but denies he was giving him any valuable information. listen. >> i did not know he was a spy when i first met him, although eventually it came out. he never made any indication that he was trying to recruit me. it was all just a casual conversation, exactly what i told my students at new york university. so no offer was made and there was no negotiation whatsoever. i met at a conference at asian society and at some point later wane month or so, it was several years ago, we had coffee once. had a slight conversation. i gave him a couple of my
information from my lectures, some public research reports and that was the end of it. >> we spoke with former kgb spy last hour about how spies recruit people in the u.s. and we asked him why carter page could have allegedly been a target. watch this portion of the interview. >> you take what you can get and obviously there were relationships there. there was an angle. when i was operating in this country they asked me to, you know, get in touch with all kinds of high level individuals. well that wasn't possible. so carter page was most likely a very inviting target. >> is it possible or even credible to think he did not know? >> it's quite likely he didn't know. there's one thing -- there's this statement he made that he was aware that when you deal with russian business people
that they could be infiltrated by secret service. i think that's an after the fact statement. in my opinion americans are rather naive when it comes to these types of issues. so our cnn counterterrorism official with us now as well as eugene scott and deputy editor for "the weekly standard". thank you for being with us. i would like to start with you. we just heard there from jeff. we should point out and i want to get your take on this, that the reporting is he tried -- russia tried to influence the election. no proof that that actually happened. is that correct? >> that's what it sounds like happened to me. we talked earlier about the e-mail campaign. let me take you inside the intelligence side. if you look at someone like carter page, i'm not suggesting he did anything wrong, the fbi will figure that out, that's an individual in the intel business called an access agent not
somebody with a senior title, somebody who can tell you who is a player in the campaign, when are issues going to be discussed, what are the issues, where is the party and presidential candidate going on those issues. where can we meet people. where do they congregate. when will you make an announcement. if we want to orchestrate the release of stolen emails we know how to release them. somebody like that without a senior position still has knowledge that can help an outsider a russian agent understand the american electoral process. >> this piggybacks off of phil's point here the degree to which carter page had an upper echelon or any major role in this campaign, it's been, i guess fluctuating over the last couple of weeks. how involved he was. what do we know now about facts of his involvement. >> we know when donald trump was speaking to "the washington post" when carter page's name was first mentioned perhaps nationally that perhaps the
president did not know page as well as he suggested he did. that doesn't mean page had contact or involvement in the campaign as he now communicates but it's revealing the trump campaign perhaps did have quite a few people in it that perhaps had not been as vetted as he would normally expect a presidential campaign to vet some of its advisers. >> we talked with jeff as well, asking him about the influence of carter page, and how they would work to try to get information from him and he basically said, you know what? you take what and who you can get essentially because carter page was seen as somebody, i guess, on the surface that really would have been able to give them a lot of information. is there an expectation that other names will be dropped in this? >> it's quite possible and quite likely. i imagine as he said you take what you can get. but then you look for as much as
you can get. i think carter page is someone who must have been a candidate given the fact that he had been in russia many times. he worked there. and he had been critical of u.s. policy towards russia for years. you know, he gave a speech last summer in moscow where he actually said that the united states was hypocritical in looking at things like democratization and corruption in russia. that's quite a statement to make about the united states versus a country that looks to me like the government has been involved in actually killing journalists. >> let's focus on this period in this speech. july 2016, he was there at the university in moscow. and he says that he only met with and i'm reading here, scholars and professor, university said they set up no additional meetings for him. based on what you know about russian intelligence gathering, is it or how likely is it that
those scholars and professors had some intelligence or counter intelligence roles. >> had to be. somebody approaches you in a bar, at a conference, in a hotel they won't say i'm a russian intelligence officer. they will say i'm trying to understand the american electoral process. it's complicated. can you give me an understanding of how it works. or you cab businessman saying we're trying to do a deal with american companies. we want to understand how policy gets established on things like sanctions so we know how to talk to american companies. this is a cover story an intelligence officer uses. you don't want to spook the target. as soon as you come from a russian intelligence service somebody will say i don't want to talk to you. the likelihood that somebody who approached him had an intelligence background and didn't acknowledge to it me makes sense. >> when we look at the last week of the 100 days of president
trump's first term here, what does this conversation that we have been having for months now and the new revelations justin last 24 hours tell you about how the president may react to this and how it may affect how he moves forward? >> well what we do know is the president will blame the media, liberals and just the intelligence agency, an organization which he's had quite a complicated relationship with in these first 100 days for putting out information that he will likely consider fake news. what we also know to be more true is that rear not at the end of this. we're just getting started. there's far more information that will come out that's not clear not only to the american people but quite possibly to the trump administration and people part of the campaign. what's very important to point out is during the campaign it was very common for trump advisers to say they had no
idea, they did not believe they were not talking to people involved with russian intelligence. the reality is you don't always know who you are talking about but i believe the intelligence agency here in the states will try to do their best to make it clear to the american people. >> it's important to point out that even though this report gives us new details about this investigation that's been ongoing this does not equal collusion. >> no that's true. what's interesting, though, of course, the fbi had to have some probable cause to get the warrant from the federal surveillance intelligence court to actually look at and surveil carter page. we don't know what happened. we don't know what he said and who he said it to. but it certainly doesn't look good that the trump campaign did not do the extreme vetting as trump likes to say himself of the people that he was naming as his national security advisers.
>> always appreciate your insight. thank you for taking your time to be with us. the man we've been discussing former trump advice are carter page will be live on smerconish. that show starts at 9:00 a.m. eastern. also new this morning, vice president mike pence says the u.s. will honor a deal to take in more than a thousand refugees from australia. the deal was brokered by president obama before the election. this is the same deal that president trump slammed back in february. he called it a dumb deal. here's what the vice president had to say about it today during his visit to australia. >> make it clear the united states intends to honor the agreement subject to the results of the vetting process that now apply to all refugees considered forced a mission to the united states of america. president trump has made it clear we'll honor the agreement.
doesn't mean we admire the agreement. frankly looking back on the last administration the president has never been shy expressing frustration with other international agreements. >> you'll remember the president's frustration over the agreement led to reports of a contentious first call with the australian prime minister. but the white house down played any tensions ahead of the vice president's trip saying the two allies would reaffirm their partnership on security, trade and immigration issues during this visit. earth day events happening now. scientists and supporters seeing this day. their march for science is worldwide with demonstration in london. at this hour there are some pictures from that city now. the main event in washington, d.c. kicking off at 9:00 a.m. eastern. just about an hour and 45 minutes away now. keep it here. we'll be covering the protesters every step and these conversations we're having. scientists and their supporters demonstrating the expected cuts to science research including
for climate change under the trump administration. organizers say some 500 satellite marches again taking place across the world and they are just hoping that president trump is taking notice. as the president's first 100 days round out, the president's tax reform plan might be added to the table next week that's on top of health care and a looming budget fight that could shut down the government. can this all get done in five working days? >> senator bernie sanders and dnc chair hit the road to rile up the base with a unity tour. in case it's showcasing how divided they still are. >> details from inside the cabin where the missing tennessee teacher and his victim spent their last days on the run. >> you can see they had things to cook with. they had a cooking stove there. they left behind some paper work from the fbi.
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>> one week away from president trump's first 100 days in office. it's long and about traditional presidential milestone. the white house will use next week to revive discussions on repealing obamacare, secure funding for the border wall and potentially unveiling a package on tax reform. >> looming over all of that the possibility of a government shutdown next friday. we go live to the white house. jeremy, the president is questioning the significance of a first 100 days when he basically made this contract for the first 100 days before he was elected. what's behind that? >> reporter: that's right. this might be a case of donald trump saying one thing and actually doing another. president trump is casting doubt now on those 100 days, that significant marker that has existed, of course, for decades pep took to twitter yesterday to cast doubt on the whole concept calling it a ridiculous standard. he tweeted no matter how much i
accomplish during the ridiculous standard of the first 100 days, and it has been a lot including supreme court, media will kill. but as the clock ticks down to these 100 days the marker is clearly on the president's mind. in the last week he signed a flury of executive orders including on trade and yesterday on financial and tax regulations. next week is already set to be jammed packed. the president and congress must pass a funding bill to keep the government open and now the white house and president donald trump are encouraging more activity on health care, which, of course, the president has failed so far to repeal and replace obamacare as he promised. and yesterday the president adding yet another item to the agenda, he said that on wednesday he's going to be announcing his tax reform plan. of course, i don't think the white house expects that land to go forward in the next week but certainly adding another item to an already busy and jam packed
week. the white house, of course, is also trying to accomplish things before these 100 days. they are very mindful of this. president donald trump very clearly here not to get some accomplishments before the 100 days, trying to show some signs of life and initiative. >> he has five working days to get it done. thanks so much. to cnn politics reporter eugene scott along with the deputy editor of the weekly standard. thank you for sticking around. kelly, let's look at this aggressive agenda again in the next five days. the president wants to repeal obamacare, the debt ceiling negotiations and securing funding for the border wall. what would a victory look like at the end of this five days for president trump? does he have to get all of it, just one of it, what a victory look like for him? >> if he got one big thing that would really help but it seems
unlikely. look at the dhealth care plan. republicans had eight years to replace obamacare. they went ahead with this bill that didn't please anybody in the american congress. didn't please moderates or the freedom caucus. it will be hard for him to find something that he can actually accomplish. he's been doing executive orders but you can only do so much with executive orders at least if you're going to govern constitutionally. >> we talk about the possible government shut down here. we know bipartisan congressional negotiators are talking with the white house, trying to construct this for government funding. how likely will a shutdown will be thwarted. >> all sides want to work together to prevents something like this from happening. this would be an even worse look for the president, i believe, than not being able to repeal
obamacare because it would be an addition to, quite frankly, some of his failures so close to the 100 day mark. one thing that's particularly interest is that we're seeing republican leaders work pretty closely with the democratic leaders on preventsing a shutdown for a few reasons. one it's not likely the more conservative republicans are going to back something that will lead to more spending and the reality is the trump administration just really needs a win. >> 1 some sort of fax reform will be unveiled. what do you expect to see? >> that's anyone's guess. one of the most interesting things we've seen about trump's 100 days how many campaign promises he's flip flopped on. his approval rating has gone up and down a little bit. what's really changed is how the american people regard him as keeping his promises and now
that's gone from 62% of people thought he would keep his campaign promises and now gallop found it's down to 45%. that's a 17% drop. one thing i found interesting was trump surprised his own staff by saying he was going to make a big announcement on tax reform next week and they quickly multiple spokesmen quickly came out and said well it's just going to be a very broad outline, have some general principles because they are not prepared and i don't think they know. again this is another issue that there's debate about within the republican congress itself on how to do tax reform and what is going to be included, especially that controversial border adjustment tax. >> there's debate about it. this is the crux, eugene, of what he ran on. the whole tax reform issue the money issue for funding the government. this is what a lot of people voted for when they voted for him. whether health care gets done or doesn't get done we're going to
get tax reform done. how imperative is it for a win in that category to the president moving forward? whether it's done before the 100 days but at the end of the day that's what people are closely watching. >> well it's essential. the president needs a win and i think something that's very important and to pay attention to regarding why he needs a win so badly is we have seen the president raising significant funds already for his re-election campaign. when he goes out on these rally, which is meant to rally the base and people who sent him to the white house he needs to tell them he has done what he told them he would do. to kelly's point so many of those things he told them he would do such as the border wall, repealing obamacare, getting this travel ban passed just have not been done so far. while that's not going to get accomplished the tax reform before the first 100 days, they definitely want to get that
passed if they are expecting to be victorious in 2020. >> appreciate you both being here. thank you. >> thanks. >> former president barack obama heads back into the spotlight preparing for a few public appearances next week. this comes as the democrats are off to let's call it a rough start on their unity tour. will former president obama have a message for the party? we'll talk about that ahead. >> the national guard being deployed in florida right now to help fight dozens of wildfires. look what's happening there. thousands of people this morning forced to get out of their homes. kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin trusted advice for life.
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so grateful to have your company. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. good morning. senator bernie sanders and dnc chairman tom perez aiming to reshape the democratic party starting with the unity tour across the country to highlight their efforts. two rallied in arizona last night calling democrats to fight back in the mid-terms and beyond and used the platform to slam president trump and gop agenda. >> this first 100 days has been nothing less than carnage and chaos. we have the most dangerous president in the history of this country and we must be united. we'll be united. we'll put our progressive values into action. we'll fight back. we will come together. >> so this tour has hit some rough spots. highlighting the divide that plagued the 2016 campaign this week senator sanders did not fully enforce georgia democrat john ossoff labelling him as not
progressive enough. in a joint interview with perez sanders touted his status as an independent. >> do you consider yourself a democrat? >> no. i'm an independent and i think if the democratic party is going succeed and i want to see it succeed it has to open its doors to independents. >> so, is the tour helping or hurting? joining me to discuss cnn political commentator and former national press secretary for sanders campaign, a,scott bolden. let me start with you. i know you don't speak for the senator any more, but why is it a good idea to come out and say listen, i support the democratic agenda. i believe that this is the direction the country should go. but by the way i'm not one of these guys, i'm not a democrat. if he believes in it why is he a member of the party. >> bernie is somebody who cares
about tissues. in fact he believes in pushing the democratic party forward. in helping get good democrats and independents and people that really, people that care about tissues elected. so perhaps senator sanders was not the guy for the ounity tour for the democrats. but he's clear on who he is. it's refreshing bernie is not trying to cover it up. >> scott, as was pointed out maybe he's not the guy for the unity tour. why bring in a man who is not a democrat to headline this tour? >> he ran as a democrat for the the presidency. we would call him an nt democrat. he should leave his party label as long as he supports the democrat agenda. democrats and bernie sanders don't share all interests. they've political alliance. they need one another. they have a common enemy in the republicans and donald trump. it's fine to have a unity tour,
those who backed bernie sanders are in the democrat party. they are not big enough to got it alone. they have to work together in moving forward against this common enemy. >> there was some noise made i just mentioned he didn't fully endorse john ossoff in the georgia six. >> he said de. >> he said he's not progressive enough. if you're trying to flip a seat that's been candy apple red it may be good to get those leaning towards the republican party. >> senator sanders noted he was very much in on soft. he didn't think he was progressive. i don't think it's helpful across the board for us to apply purity tests to folks and judge folks on a scale of progressivism. what's more important are the
issues people are advocating for, the policies these candidates and democrats and independents want to put forth and where they stands on the issues. >> you mentioned purity tests. let's go out to omaha, there was the endoshsment from senator sanders of keith mellow who is running for omaha mayor. he supported legislation that's anti-abortion rights. i want to you listen to what congressman elijah cummings said about the big tent he's hoping for the democratic party. let's watch this. >> many of us don't have a clue of what's going on in each other's districts and how tough it is. i want to win in the end. so i want to pull as many people under that tent as i can. >> he had the endorsement of senator sanders then chairman perez. chairman perez pulled back that endorsements after learning of this support of this so-called anti-abortion rights
legislation. i reconcile those for me. how can the democratic be big tent but cannot make room for keith mellow? >> they can make room for everybody. because you have this litmus test and i don't think you should have a litmus test. each race and each candidate is different. all factors is local politics here. so one race doesn't make a party. it is a big tent. it has a common enemy and putting resources and rebuilding those 1100 races or seats that we lost at the local and county and state level is super important. so the democrats are find tharg way, if you will. we got a new chair. bernie sanders is a very big part of that, endorsing and winning at the local level is super important and that's going to happen. we may have some hiccups. in the end we got to get it together and win at the local level. >> i just want to say, i'm from nebraska. what's so interesting keith
mellow is an anti-choice. he's a good democrat here. one, i want to encourage folks to ask local. but two as scott said rebuild the party. and i think it speaks volumes when headlines can take away from the work that good democrats locally and good democrats across the country are doing when folks don't read deep into what's really going on and actually get the facts. >> mr. mellow has said he would do nothing to impede on a woman's right to choose. >> he's not anti-choice. he foukt from text planned parenthood. >> will the chairman reis in his support. >> we have to get our bearings here. it won't be easy. republicans are looking for holes anywhere and every where to cut democrats off at their knees. >> this was an in the tradition party fight. i don't know that the republicans had anything to do with it. this was a decision whether or not chairman perez would support this candidate in omaha who has
come under fire for a previous vote. >> victor getting into a swearing match about whether this endorsement was there or pulled back or not. the big picture issue is democrats are competing strongly in red states. red states that you talked about this morning during this interview these red states that the democrats are competing and winning. they have been red for 25, 30, 40 years. that's progress for the party. more importantly they are rebuilding at the base level. i don't care whether endorsements were pulled or not i care about winning. the party has to win these under the big tent whether you're a conservative democrat, progressive democrat. we have one common enemy republicans and a president that's an extremist. >> winning takes support -- >> it cures everything too. >> let me add this. we know that former president barack obama will be back on the road in the next couple of days as we approach president trump's 100th day in office. i want to you listen to somebody
from the obama administration talking about his role moving forward in the trump administration. watch this. in trump years. >> i think barack obama is probably still the leader of the democratic party even though he's sort of on a hiatus right now. i hope hillary comes back, she more than deserves some time out to regroup. tom perez is cleaning house at the dnc and starting from scratch. hopefully this will be going into 2018 will be a moment where the democratic party's identity crisis is over. >> president obama back out on the road. should he be more critical of president trump, more aggressive in standing up to the president? >> look, i think president obama is going to have the freedom to say some things that he wouldn't have the freedom to say when he was in the white house. i'm excited about him getting back out there on front street fighting with democrats. i think it's important to note that president obama cannot
carry this party on his own and democrats have to be careful to be so excited that president is back that we are resting on our laurels. we have real work to do when it comes to building this bench. >> scott? >> he's a political rock star. hillary is. we need all hands on deck, quite frankly. i don't think that's a problem at all. his message to the party and public is, whether it's attacking trump or not will be super important. scott sanders -- i'm sorry scott bolden, simone sanders -- >> we're a team. >> good morning. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> good sense of humor there. listen, this is really serious story. a former teacher found in a remote cabin with the teenager he's accused of kidnapping. what was found inside could certainly become a key part in the case against him. he'll take you there.
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no electricity, no cell service, nothing around for miles. we're now getting a look inside the northern california cabin where tad cummins was captured. >> the former teacher was on the run for 39 days along with the 15-year-old girl he's accused of kidnapping. here's a look at where they were found. >> reporter: i want to give you a quick look how remote this cabin is. you see there, there's a private road that almost nobody goes on here and on the other side of the cabin is a mountain stream. now i'll go inside the cabin. we have permission from the property owner to come inside after investigators left and have taken the evidence they need. you can see they had things to cook with, a little cooking stove there and they left behind some paper work from the fbi. it is the search warrant and lists some things that were confiscated including coconut oil and ky jelly. authorities are trying to prove
not only did tad cummins kidnap this young lady, this girl but that he also intended to have sexual contact with her, which is another separate crime and so they are gathering as much evidence as possible. this is very, very small cabin. it has no electricity. no warmth. no wi-fi. there's no cell service here. authorities say he came out here because he was trying to lay low. he was only caught because a caretaker and a couple of folks from this area decided that something was wrong, they contacted authorities and the caretaker himself helped lure him out of this cabin. everybody is okay. both of them, one of them headed to court. the other one headed back home. >> tad cummins expected to be in court on monday. we'll be following up on that story for you certainly. i want to tell you right now about florida firefighters and what they are battling this morning. 91 different wildfires. 25,000 acres have already been
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in to the hand of the far right marine le pen. you referred to trump's almost endorsement of her. she has ever since donald trump's victory in the united states said, look, i am the one who most resembles donald trump here in france and there is some truth to that. she does want to close france's borders. she wants to bring in a sort of economic protection much like donald trump has in the united states or has attempted to do and she's saying it's time for this in france and the time for my populist message has come. what no one has seen coming is the rise of the innocedependent. he really has made tremendous progress in the polls and the two are neck in neck. he is the candidate of continuity, of openness. marine le pen that of closure, rethinking. european union. that is the choice facing the french and it is an extremely stark one.
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a surprise guest hit the airwaves on bbc's radio one, the duke and duchess of cambridge. prince william, kate middleton talked about their life behind closed doors. >> they talked about everything from their struggle to get the queen a birthday gift to their preferences on takeout food. >> are you allowed to order takeaway? >> absolutely. >> yes. >> what would you have? a pizza, chinese? >> curry, definitely.
>> i'm just finding out so much. these are the things i want to know. >> yeah right. >> it's a real con none drum i'm not good with spicy food. >> they must never believe you when you're ordering it to the pala palace. >> it doesn't usually get ordered to the palace. we pick it up. >> he's not going to go to the cottage, is he? >> these are the questions i assure you victor would not have asked. >> no. i wouldn't have asked if you like the chicken spicy. they did talk about this which is important, they discussed their charity, heads together, which promotes mental health awareness. it was an ordinary day in west phoenix for bash mattingly, watering her plants another her house and then comes a balloon with a message in her yard.
on the balloon in black marker, a wish written by 12-year-old vanes es sa who wanted more boo. she couldn't get more books from the library. >> so she wrote her wish on the balloon and hoped for the best. the balloon was granted and one day she hopes to meet her one day and see her dreams come true. >> good for it's an interesting way to ask, let's put it that way. investigators now believe russia tried to use trump advisers to infiltrate the campaign. >> not only through e-mail hacks and propaganda but also through the trump orbit. >> think about what we can accomplish in the first 100 days. >> real success is working with congress. >> a witness spott