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reporting on the possible collusion. the cloud rooming over the white house isn't clearing. instead it appears to be casting a wider shadow. sources tell cnn exclusively that evidence suggests russian officials tried to use trump advisers to infiltrate his campaign last summer. u.s. officials say carter page is just one of those advisers moscow targeted. in a brand-new interview with cnn, page denies he did anything inappropriate. >> are you aware of their efforts at using you to get into the trump campaign? that's my direct question. >> i was never -- nothing i was ever asked to do, or no information i was ever asked for was anything beyond what you could see on cnn. there's great depth of reporting, great information. nothing i ever talked about with any russian officials extends beyond that publicly available
immaterial information michael. >> with me is shimon, who helped break this reporting. dao we know if russians warned page did trying -- >> as far as we know, and our information based on the sources we have talked to, there is no indication that they ever warned him that they ever talk to him before he went and spoke with these alleged russian officials, these intelligence kind of operatives for the kremlin. we do know that he has been to russia for many years he's talked to russian people over the years in russia. also in the u.s., and this is not the first time that the fbi and the u.s. officials were aware of this. the conversations po obviously have caused some concern for the fbi, so while they are concerned about it, it's part of their
investigation, but they have never ever spoken to him about it. >> i understand that your sources are telling you that officials have found perhaps evidence of collusion, but not proof per se of a crime having been economiced. explaining the difference. >> you can have russian officials talking to trump people, people within the trump orbit, which doesn't necessarily mean a crime was being committed, but there is some evidence that the russian intelligence officials were trying to get inside the campaign, were trying to influence people within the paper, kind of the people around trump in his orbit, in his kind of world. we sort of talk about this trump orbit, because there are all these different people who node trump, who are attacked to trump, whether through business or his personal relationships. so there was an effort by the russians to reach out, to talk to them. the fbi has this intelligence. they have this information. they have seen it, but it doesn't necessarily mean that
anything nefarious was going on. there's also this element of fake news, and that's something that had certainly caught the eye of folks on the hill, and they're looking to see if there was any coordination between the russians intelligence people and some of the russians operatives putting out this fake news. >> we hear about those russian bots pumping occupy fake news stories on social media. this is part of one of the investigations in the senate, as they were doing their first hearing, right? >> we've been told, certainly the fbi has seen some of this, but there is a first amendment issue still with fake news. fake, real or whatever, there's elements of it that kind of fall under the first amendment so that's an shoots for the fbi, and it's not something they want to get involved in, but still there's this intelligence that exists. it comes from human sources from intercepted communications, some of it from financial records.
kind of is the fbi and the intelligence officials, they take they various streams of information from different places, and then try to around it and try to paint a picture of what is happening, but is any of these provable in court? that's a great question and probably difficult for that to come out or ever use it in court. then it would reveal who the source is, and the fbi is always very concerned about revealing methods and sources. >> there are many pieces of this puzzle. some of picture is starting to come together. shimon, thank you for your report the keyword here is tried. is this moving us away from collusion. is that how you see it? >> i think it shows a couple
points of interest. i don't think we can say definitively that everything is benign or everything leads to collusion. there's a lot of pieces. but what this shows me looking from outside the reporting that russia's involvement with the campaign did not stop at the fake news, facebook, you know, this sort of internet-related attacks. that these were direct points of contact with people who either describe themselves as part of the campaign or with part of the campaign. there's a debate about carter page's involvement. the idea that the fsb just focused on carter page is absolutely ridiculous. this is an organization that's very sophisticated. they were trying different -- carter page appears to be, just from what we have seen about him, sort of an interesting
character, a weak link, i would say. the fact that we know this doesn't surprise me. the idea that they would have stopped, the fsb would have known exactly the kind of character that carter page is and likely would have also tried other entry points. that's why manafort, roger stone and mike flynn are all still interesting. then the final piece is you can still have out there this issue that so many people related to the trump campaign denied their involvement with russians or seeing russians or meeting with russians. that piece of it is something of relevance for any investigation. >> okay. we heard shimon say he asked u.s. officials if they warned page that russians were targeting him, and u.s. officials said no. that's not something they would do. why? >> oh, because basically since they were clearly following the russians and how they were going to infiltrate the campaign, you wouldn't want to tell the
target, especially because it did not appear that the fbi knew whether carter page was a willing accomplice or not. remember, piece are forgetting this, carter page is running around are you readia certainlially saying he speakings for the campaign, so to the fbi that might be somebody willingly discussing issues with the russians. it's also about the time that donald trump says carter page is one of his top advisers. so they would never tell somebody they were looking into this. for their purposes, they are probably worried that someone that klee to donald trump might be in collusion with the russians. >> yujuliet dtte, thank you. president trump staying in
washington today to present a purple heart -- it was the president's first visit to walter reed hospital since taken office. the white house is facing a ticking cloud, unless congress passes a funding bill by friday. today the republican speaker of the house hinted there might not be a vote next week on the president's latest attempts to get rid of and replace obamacare. athena jones, what is the feeling there of the chances of a government shutdown. >> reporter: no one wants to see the government shut down. we heard that from the budget director. senior administration official told me today the white house is not going to allow the government to shut down, but the white house has also made clear its priorities, what it wants to see included in this spending bill that congress has to pass this week.
one of those things is more money to hire additional immigration agents. the other is funding for the border wall. those ideas are nonstarters for democrats. we already heard from senator schumer calling the border wall funding a nonstarter. so the big question is, lo the president sign a spending bill that doesn't include money for the border wall? which he spent the entire campaign promising would be built, and that mexico would pay for. my college dana bash spoke with homeland security secretary john kelly about this. watch. >> so will the president go to the matt and insist on if undering his border wall as part of the stop gap funding measure? >> i think it goes out saying that the president has pretty straightforward about his desire and the need for a border wall. so i would suspect he'll do the right thing for sure, but i
would suspect he will be insistent on the fundal. so there you heard secretary kelly saying he expects the president to insist on the funding, but the president himself sounded a lot less -- a bit less definitive. he said i said the board are wall. when he was asked if he would sign the spending bill without it, he said, i just don't know yet. to use one of his favorite turns of phrase, we'll see what happens on the border wall funding issue. i should mention on the same conference call, according to a source, republicans are still goating the final hopes and hope to get it to the floor on friday. as you know, friday is deadline day. as you mentioned it doesn't look like there will be a vote next week on the second attempt to repeal the affordable care act. >> when republicans think they're negotiating and they may
be able to get it to the floor late nest week, would they need to include democrats to negotiate with them as well in order to get something passed? >> reporter: you might this i they would be in discussions with democrats as well in order to make sure this funding gets passed, but one reason i think we hear a lot about there's not going to be a government shutdown, they could always pass a very short-term spending bill if they're close to a deal, to spend more time to work on that. we'll see what happens. >> all right. athena jones, thank you so much. still ahead this hour, global reaction rallies in cities around the world, call for a support for science. anyway to find out how rising sea levels have changed an entire landscape. later, call on camera, another dramatic confrontation on a commercial flight, a woman
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zillow. the donald trump white house is feeling with some pressing issues. one of them is a dead like to put a spending bill in place. also a possible. so whether a vote will take place is now in question. this is happening the week of the president's 100th day in office arrives. i want to bring in a. scott bolden, and also lieutenant governor andre bauer. >> what do you think that means in terms of a potential
shutdown? that will be a showdown with the democrats. the bill they are using was passed about ten years ago. the fact of the matter they have never funded it in the last eight to ten years. whether you're facing shutting the government down or putting money in for the wall, that's a high-risk game of politics for a politics who as president has a 36% approval rating. i wouldn't do it if i were him. i think the democrats will stand strong if he insists on it. >> andre, can you see democrats working with republicans to try to get a spending bill through? >> i hope they do. as an american, throwing politics aside, we have to get past this partisanship, but furthermore, we have to stop raising the spending limit. coffee to be a disciplinary parent and say we have to live within our middle eastern.
we in fact live within what we take in. it's getting so irresponsible that we continue to spend spend spend, so i hope we'll engain at some point in time protecting our borders, whatever that route, but before we do that, i hope we stay solvent as a country and not continue to spend. >> the question his 100th day arrives in office next week. listen to what he said during the campaign about his goals for the first 100 days. >> i am asking the american people to dream big once again. what follows is my 100-day action plan to make america great again. a constitutional amendment to impose term limits on all members of congress. i will announce my intention to totally renegotiate nafta. i will direct my secretary of the treasury to label china
currency manipulator. cancel every unstole executive action memorandum and order issued by president obama. begin removing the more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country. suspend immigration in terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. middle-class tax relief and simplification act. the american infrastructure act, the repeal and replace obamacare act. >> so he said that, he published this contract that candidate trump said he was going to accomplish in his first 100 days including ten agenda items that have not happened. andre, can you explain why? >> again, i don't agree with everything the president says. but first off when they talked about health care in february, i
thought this was wrong to put an april deadline on something that's a big part of the u.s. budget, and there needs to be a much more thought out plan before we replace obamacare. the republicans shouldn't own a policy that's not much better than what we currently have. they need to stand ute, and make it more free market. let people know, the consumer know what it would cost before you have a surgery. there needs to be skin in the game, but i will say this, donald trump has had some big victories, gorsuch probably being the businessest, the dakota and keystone pipeline, and hiring freezes, top-to-bottom 5ud i of the executive branch, cleaning up corruption, antilobbying, where you stop the folks who go and cash in. >> yeah, but there was a member of his campaign who ended up
bypassing that lobbying thing he put into place. so that's already falling apart. >> so i think it's wrong to immediately fault a guy that's trying to fix the problem. if somebody trying to circumvent what, shame on them, but he's -- he's not going to fix frlg, but at least he's pea an attempt. he's letting the world know the u.s. is going to be strong militarily again, and if you cross the line in the sand, there will be ramifications. he's had productive meetings. has he hit all of his goals? no. has he hit some things he didn't plan on? yes. has he learned some things? yes. i would love to see him bring in somebody like newt gingrich to help -- something would change the landscape. >> scott, real ly dao peep keep
score? >> you could run 50 speeches of donald trump and it's important to donald trump during the paper. he had 100 days. if you look at his 100 days, i'll have to disagree with my colleague. i give him an a for effort and f for result. he's mired in this russian investigation. health care has failed once or twice, and you had the muslim ban struck down twice. these are major republican in addition terrible that have either debacles or embarrassment who by the way is at war with it self-. i think people care about the changes that he's brought about. the democrats certainly don't like them or appreciate them. his followers also, he's got to deliver and he's failed to
deliver the first 100 days. this was donald trump's narrative of 100 days, and making these accomplishments, not his supporters, and not the media. he's got nobody to blame but himself. we've got to live it there. thanks to both of you. we'll have you both back. marches in cities around the world, all in the name of science. one rally in washington, a passionate plea from a prominent researcher. >> with an informed optimistic view of the future, together we can -- dare i say it -- save the world! >> that guy, bill nye, the science guy, is live next. you are in the "cnn newsroom." stay with us. get everywhere else, like claim free rewards... or safe driving bonus checks. oh yes.... even a claim satisfaction guaranteeeeeeeeeee!
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matters. this was berlin, one of several big cities where large crowds packed the streets, taking you to london, to counter what they see as a growing disregard for evidence-based knowledge. in washington, thousands marched from the national mall to capitol hill. their protests pamplly fueled by president trump's threats to budget cuts. in new york demonstrators filled the streets of manhattan. >> we grew up during the '60s, when science mattered, when science made this country great. it ended with the landing on the moon. that all happened because an american president inspired this nation. john f. kennedy promised by the end of the '60s we would land on the moon. now almost 50 years later we have an american president disparaging the facts, denigrating science, and we're here to telling him that science
matters. bill nye, the science guy, inspired, and his new show "bill nye saves the world" is on netflix. i want to real something that president trump tweeted. he says i am commit to do keeping and you're and water clean, but always remember that economic growth enhances environmental protection. jobs matters. what's your response. >> it has a but in it. the people surrounding him don't fully grasp the opportunities. he's being strongly influenced by the fossil fuel industry and he's not seeing the big picture, or at least the people advising him. the big picture is we could have 3 million new jobs in the united states if we went to renewable energy -- wind, solar, some tidal and geothermal. we could have new jobs, new sectors that would be
sustainable. we would not need a military on the other side of the world protecting fossil fuel fields to keep our economy going the way that it is, and degrade the atmosphe atmosphere. this is obvious to everybody who came to the march. >> so what happens to people in the coal industry who say, that all sounds good, but my livelihood is on the line then? >> so what happened to people who were in the horse industry? new york and big cities when the citizens decided that the manure was too big a problem to tolerate? they got other jobs. they did other things. my grandfather went into world war senii horse, but 20 years l, no one conducted warfare on a horse. i was at boeing this year. a guy who was a bricklayer now lays wire bundles on high-tech aircraft. he uses the same skills he had, pattern recognition, working
carefully with his hands, anticipating where parts have to go to fit things together torque do a new job in a new industry and makes a better living than he used to. we have to enable this. this is in the best interest. that's why we had this march this week. the president's proposal cuts the epa's budget by more than 30%. suggesting that epa could redao us it's staff by 20%. the plan including discontinuing funding, international climate change programs, climate change research and partnership programs. what do you see as the impact of this? >> well, it sounds very bad for the world. by the way, just remind everybody, politically this may not work out. it may backfire. you can't unilaterally withdraw from an international agreement lie the conference of parties in paris without ra manyifications. other cunning around the world
may impose what amount to tariffs on the united states for withdrawing from what is essentially an international trey. furthermore there's a big effort to say when you don't like something, we declare it states' rights, that states have the right to get energy the way they want without imposition of, in this case, the environmental protection agency. but that may backfire as well. california is the sixth largest economy in the world, and california may impose sanctions on states that don't go along with california regulations. then what are you going to do? >> so make the case to those folks who do feel like, like you said, states' rights are important here, they can control what is most important for their residence. when you're talking about the impact on some of these rollbacks of regulation or cutting of the budget, when it comes to environmental policy,
how is that going to affect a mom or a child? or a farmer, for example? >> well, farmers may have trouble getting water, and especially getting clean water. when the air quality goes down, the quality of life of kids goes downs, asthma levels go up, as an example, bus the epa sauce weight countered by richard nixon, and he did it for the best interests of citizens. people got tired of dirty air and water. we passed regulations. the ideas that you can eliminate regulation, for every two regulations we're going to eliminate one, that is, with all due respect, thoughtless. regulations are like a machine. you want all the parts you need, but nothing more. imagine an airport. you can't just start taking parts off an airport and expect it to fly. you can't start taking
regulations off and expect things to run smoothly. for crying out loud, this -- i believe this move is arbitrary. it might be a bargaining chip in order to do some other negotiation, but in general, to people on the outside, it certainly looks as though the administration is being very strongly influenced by the fossil fuel industry, sort of its last gasp as an economic force. everybody, other countries around the world are getting away from fossil fuels. now, in the u.s. constitution, section 1, article 8, it makes reference to promoting the progress of science and the useful arts, and useful arts in those days meant things like city planning, architecture, civil engineering, public works. it's in the constitution, so everything, we want to promote the progress of science, not retard it or set it back. so these moves are extraordinary.
i don't think they are sustainable from a political standpoint. science is political, but we don't want it to be partisan. we want people to evaluate evidence in a reasonable scientific way and make public policy decisions that improve the health of citizens and make the economy continue to grow if a reasonable fashion. >> all right. >> opportunities for renew energy are extraordinary. let's get to work. >> all right, bill nye, thank you for coming on. we know you had a long day. we appreciate you spending time with you. you can catch his news show on netflix. it's been referred to as ground zero when it comes to rising sea levels. our ed lavandera is about to give you a bird's-eye view of the impact. you're live in the "cnn newsroom." i hear they have a really great mobile app. the interface is remarkably intuitive. that's so important.
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satellite marches globally. but despite scientific evidence of rising sea levels, climate change is a hard sell in parts of louisiana, even to people who have seen it firsthand. in something you'll only see here on cnn, our ed lavandera traveled to the so-called ground zero of climate change to find out why people are so skeptical. >> reporter: for more than 30 years, jeff poe has guided fishing trips, chasing speckled trout and other fish in these waters near lake charles, louisiana. you consider yourself an environmental on some level? >> for sure. without a doubt. but that's just -- the thing with the climate change, i don't know that there's anything we can do about it. >> reporter: we're raffling these waters, because according to a new study from yale university, this part of southern louisiana has one of the highest concentrations of
climate change deniers and skeptics in the country. >> respect the trout. i'm not a denier. i won't put it that way, but ipt skeptical as to how much control we have over it. >> reporter: climate change experts say the skeptics are denying what's unfolding before their very eyes, and climate change is a hard sell around here. >> i just don't think that climate change is real. >> reporter: is there anything a scientist can show you -- >> if he was 500 years old and told me it's changed, i probably would believe him. in my lifetime, i didn't sigh any change. >> reporter: you would have to hear from a 500 years old scientist? >> right. >> reporter: one scientist described it as the ground zero of climate change in the united states, where the coastline is disappearing, in large part according to scientific studies
because of the rising sea levels. a new tulane university study calculates sea levels along the louisiana coast are rising 10 to 13 millimeters per year. it might not sound significant, but scientists say it's enough to call significant damage in the next 50 years. pilot charlie hammonds has seen the gulf of mexico march north since he was a teenager. that's how long he's been flying over this vast louisiana marshland. he says the gulf waters spread north like a cancer and much of the water you see below used to be land. >> probably when i was a young pilot, i would say at least -- at least three or four times what you see here. >> reporter: you literally used to land next to island. >> yeah, we would land in that bay, right? >> reporter: those iltsds are
gone. >> you aye lan to it next to it if you wanted to today? >> no, it's open water. >> reporter: just a look, nasa recorded these satellite images, and from the mid 1980s to now, you can see a subtle yet study change around houma. charlie hammond says the gulf of mexico water keeping swallowing up land. >> it's like a cancer. i watch it every year. it keeps moving farther and farther and farther every year. >> reporter: eventually everyone will have to retreat? >> yeah. >> reporter: one of the first signs that things aren't quite rite is when you come across trees simply withering away. they depend on fresh water, but so much saltwater has pushed north, that these trees are simply withering away.
leaves and limbs have fallen off. eventually they'll injure crumble into the marsh. spots like this around here are often called a ghost forest. after all this, you would thick charlie hammond and others would be on the climate change bandwagon. there's a lot of people who believe that sea level rising is contributing to what you're sigh, but you don't buy that? >> i don't buy that. >> reporter: they minimize the impact of climate change and say other factors are in play, like the impact from the mississippi river, and marsh ladd is fally sinking called subsidens. but for environmental activists the kept civil is bewilledering. >> i don't know how you can look at scientific data and see this and very, very plainly, and say that it's not happening. >> that climate change isn't?
>> yeah. in front of the chris bearnaise's how, there stands one dying tree, the clue that underground not all is right. he can see how the landscape and trees have disappeared. for generations, this has been a native-american community where 350 people once lived. now it's down to about 70. they fled north to escape the encroaching gulf waters. the island once covered it 200 acres. it's now dwindled to about 350 acres. >> you think it's part of the natural evolution of the planet? or do you think manmade causes have created such a rapid change here on the louisiana coast? >> i believe that the gulf of mexico is such a powerful force that it wants to make its way north. more than one thing is going on there. >> reporter: skepticism around here thrives, even as chris
brunet and others prepared to be the next to pack up and move north. ed lavandera, cnn, along the louisiana coastline. >> our thanks to evident lavandera. coming up another airline facing a backlash at a video has a flight attendant taunting a passenger. you'll see the video right here live in the "cnn newsroom." allergies with nasal congestion? find fast relief behind the counter with claritin-d. [ upbeat music ] strut past that aisle for the allergy relief that starts working in as little as 30 minutes
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american airlines is now apologizing for what happened on a flight from san francisco to dallas on friday. much of it was caught on video. witnesses say while passengers were boarding a flight attendant violently took a stroll prer a mother narrowly missing the baby she was holding. another passenger gets involved. things get heated. here is how it all plays out.
>> just give me back my stroller, please. >> hey, bud. you do that to my and i'll knock you flat. >> you stay out of this. [ inaudible ] >> you get the hell off the plane. >> you try that and i'll knock you out. >> you don't know what the story is. >> i don't care what the story is. you almost hurt a baby. >> you don't know what the story is. you keep looking and show what you did to that lady. >> keep it quiet. >> i saw what you did. maybe you'll get videotaped, too, and get all over the news. >> with us now justin green, an aviation attorney. you all remember two weeks ago united airlines made news for letting police drag a passenger off a plane. we know a lawsuit is pending in that case. are you seeing anything here
that could rise to a lawsuit? >> well, i think one of the things you have to understand airlines have a very high standard of care to passengers for their safety and well-being a. higher standard than customers normally have because passengers are in their command, stuck in an airplane in a confined environment. i think there could be a lawsuit. luckily no one seems to be physically injured. i think the conduct of the flight attendant, at least the part that's seen on the video, is not what you would expect. >> no. >> i think the company is right to come out and suspend him and i would like to say in defense of the company you do see other flight attendants on the flight caring for the poor woman who was traumatized, also getting in between the angry passenger and calming him down so the captain was out there. so some of the conduct shown on
that video is, i think, a credit for american. obviously the conduct of the flight attendant is unacceptable. >> so many things are being recorded these days, everybody has a camera on their phone. does that put airlines at a disadvantage of when these things come up and they are tried in the court of public opinion first? >> i represent victims. for years and years and years the airline was able to get away doing things like this because they didn't have the video. i would say that it balances it out. if they didn't have this video, we wouldn't be talking about it right now. the woman would write a letter of complaint and they would say, look, you have the flight attendant saying one thing, the passenger another, and you wouldn't be able to proceed with it. the video, you know, the old expression a picture is worth 1,000 words. >> indeed. that's what it is.
we know that the flight attendant has been suspended. american issued an apology. do you think they should do anything else or handled this well? >> i think they've handled it much better than united initially handled their situation so american getting out in front of this, they probably had a better story about what happened before they had to go public. i think obviously they have to go back to the fleet and make sure they don't have other flight attendants who have obviously some stress issues and some behavioral issues. i think all of the airlines right now because of the united incident and american incident will go back to the drawing board on customer service. >> that is a good thing. we like to hear that as travelers, justin green. thank you. coming up, a trump adviser targeted by russia. carter page on the defense after cnn's exclusive reporting russian operatives tried to use him and other advisers to infiltrate the trump campaign last year. >> nothing i was ever asked to do or no information i was ever asked for was anything beyond what you could see on cnn.
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