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would mail their diplomas to them and end the commencement ceremony. we did see a handful of protesters outside saying they weren't trying to silence her, they just didn't think it was the appropriate venue. this wasn't a day log but more of a monologue. brooke. >> nick, thank you. all right, top of the hour you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. moments ago the white house added another dimension to the why piece here, why president trump fired fbi director james comey an act only done one before in american history? it president said before because comey, quote, wasn't doing a good job. the vice president said today it was based solely on the recommendation of attorney general jeff sessions and the deputy attorney general rob rosenstein. now, the white house press
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secretary is revealing more of rosenstein's reasoning that led president trump to act. it has to do with the comey's unprecedented news conference when he announced he would not be charging hillary clinton in an investigation of her e-mails. list now to sarah huckabee sanders. >> he's questioned director comey's reason for needing to stay at the fbi. he's had countless conversations with members within the fbi. i think one of the big catalysts we saw was last week on wednesday. director comey made a pretty startling revelation that he had, essentially, taken a stick of dynamite and thrown it into the department of justice by going around the chain of command when he decided to take steps without talking to the attorney general or the deputy attorney general when holding a press conference and telling them he would not let them know what he was going to say. and that is simply not allowed.
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and somebody like the deputy attorney general, rob rosenstein who everybody across the board has unequivocally said this guy is a man of unstanding character and essentially a gold standard of the department of justice, when you take an action like that, when you go around the chain of command and the department of justice, then you have to take steps and take action to make a recommendation to the president. and that's what he did. >> so as we're looking, and jeff zeleny is joining me now from the white house. but let me look at this piece of information. it was sarah huckabee sanders who was in for sean spicer. apparently he's still on navy reswrrsest duty from the pentagon. but here's a piece of information. the white house official siz officials at the highest levels including the president are monitoring sarah huckabee's performance this weekend in place of sean spicer in the
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briefing room. two white house officials were sharply critical of the press shots handling of the comey news last night. it was, an embarrassment. another official said it was a disaster. and another thought it was handled poorly. o that coming in from our own jim acosta. jeff zeleny, let's get back to you. >> reporter: a little bit of context to jim acosta's reporting there. he's watching sarah sanders like he does with every briefing, the president. and they believe sarah sanders is a good communicator, a good spokeswoman. but there's also a good bit of blame to go directorly to the oval office. you can blame a lot of things on sean spicer, the white house press secretary, but last night's reaction to this is probably not one of them.
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and this is why. i am told this is held to such a tight group of people. the president wanted to execute this so quickly, he did not give his communication advisers much of a heads up at all. we are talking about a number of minutes, not hours to put this into place. that is just one of the inner workers going on. so interesting sarah sanders saying that, you know, that the president didn't have the confidence of director comey for months. that's the first time we've heard that. so i asked her directorly then why didn't he fire him on january 20th or 21 rs. and she said, look, he wanted to give him a chance. but this is a discrepancy we'll be talking more about. the vice president and others here said the president only did this because of the deputy attorney general saying that the director of the fbi had lost confidence. this is a sign, this has been on the president's mind for a very long time, surprising no one
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here made this decision, brooke. >> we'll come back to that. very excellent opponent. let's pivot to capitol hill. because senator elizabeth warren is one of the many calling for a special prosecutor. so manu raju is back on the hill with the senator herself. manu, the floor is yours. >> reporter: thank you, brooke, and thank you senator for talking to us. i'm sure you were surprised like virtually everybody else was. when were your doing at the time and when were your reaction? >> fs walking down the street and got the e-mail. and then just bang, bang, bang, bang keeps happening. i think everybody wuss shocked including director comey who
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evidently just last week had gone into the justice department asking for more resources saying he wanted to push this investigation forward. i think believing the just s department was going to support him and help make that happen, an investigation that would help get to the bottom of the issue of donald trump, the trump campaign and the russians. >> reporter: did you think this was a coverp? >> i think there's just no doubt given the typing. the reason comey was fired is that donald trump wants to cut off any investigation into any connections that he has with his campaign and connections to the russians. >> reporter: the justice department denies that rosenstein actually asked for more -- that that was asked for more funlds. >> well, if the justice department wants to deny that, then my view is that the
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judiciary committee should call him right now and have him testify under oath to exactly what comey asked for. i think that should be clear right now. let's get the deputy attorney general in here who wrote that letter and let's put him under oath, and let's let him explain directly to the members of the judiciary committee right here in the united states senate exactly what it is that director comey asked for last week. >> reporter: now, you were just one of six centers who voted against rob rosenstein's confirmation nomination to be deputy attorney general. why dd did you vote against him at that time? >> my objection was he would not give a straight answer about appointing a special investigator, a special prosecutor into this -- the allegations about the relationship between donald trump, his campaign, and the
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russians. >> reporter: did you actually talk to him beforehand? >> no, not on the committee -- i'm not on the judiciary committee that does that. but i read the testimony and talked to others who were, particularly senator blumenthal, and said i couldn't go for it, because he had not in my view made it clear enough that he supported having a special prosecutor. well, times have now changed. now, it is the case the fbi director announced he had an active ongoing investigation and asked for help from the justice department for that, has been fired. and now it is clear. and i think that should be clear to everyone, regardless of political affiliation, regardless of where you are in the justice department, that it's now time for a special prosecutor. >> how far are you willing to go to push for this? democrats today essentially brought the senate to a aderholt
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rejecting the firing. is that appropriate to go that nar sph. >> this a moment in history. donald trump has tried to put himself above the law, ask that's not how it works in america. the way it works in america is that investigations are independent, no matter how powerful you are and that everyone has to follow the law. that means every senator, every person out there across the country, and employees to the president of the united states. >> reporter: how far are you willing to ge? >> i want to be clear. i don't think there should be partisan. i don't think it should be about what the democrats are demanding. i think it's about the american people want to see this, and everyone in congress should get down to bottom of this. >> reporter: do you really want to bog down the senate any further? >>lets be clear here. it's about the president who wants to go above the law and
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our intelligence has made clear the russians hacked into the system to influence the outcome of the 2016 election. we know the russians were brazen in what they did just last week in france where and that the alt-right here in america was trying to move that forward, that the russians have been hacking systems throughout europe. the russians have developed a new weapon, and it threatens the very core of democracy. here in the united states we need to get to the bottom of the question of what influence the russians have had and continue to have in our political system. >> reporter: well, senator, we are out of time. thank you so much for chatting with us. brooke, back to you. >> all right, manu rajahue, thank you. i've got a panel i want to bring in.
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cnn senior analyst jeffrey toobin is here with us, and cnn political correspondent dana bash. listen, i realize some of this is politics and some of this about the investigation and the white house. on ther speech hearing her say no doubt this is a coverp, the firing of james comey, what do you think about that? >> it's a big statement, but when it comes from elizabeth warn, is the ultimate, frankly, icon of bernie sanders on the left when it comes to elected officials, it's going to be viewed through a political prism underably so. having said that, i know from talking to republicans this will probably surprise some republican out there, but talking oo some republicans who were on the judiciary committee who say that she actually is pretty down the middle visa vi the way she approaches the
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notion of rush a's involvement in the elections behind the scenes. again, that's an important thing to keep in mind based oen my reporting. but at the end of the day, democrats are in a bit of rhetorical pickle in that as they did, as the white house was sort of banking on, they did for month and months say james comey has got to go and now they're saying but, but, but. having said that, they have a reason to say but, but, but because the shoe is on the other foot. >> coming off of her point, how the white house handled this. you essentially have in the simplest form the president firing the guy who was investigating him in russia ties. and not even 24 hours later you have russian leaders at the white house including the russian ambassador, and here's a picture, who was the center of the probe with regard to his now fired national security
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advisefer. and you have henry kissinger at the white house today. i don't know if even holly could write this. >> let's get the basics, and that is that this is terribly dangerous moment in american history. the president of the united states has repeatedly made clear he does not want a legitimate investigation into the possible collusion of his aides and campaign with a hostile power. this is unprecedented in our history. a president who himself has attempted to impede the legitimate investigation of essentially looking into whether or not people around him and perhaps himself have colluded in some way with the enemy. and we need to be clear about what that means. there has been a coverp, as you heard me say on your show and others for a while.
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there vahas been a cover-up fro the white house. i think there have are a good number of people in the fbi that will tell you, yes, there has been a cover-up. and this is the ultimate execution of that strategy. and underlike watergate where republicans were the heroes and republicans said with richard nixon, regardless of party we need to know the truth of what happened. one said what did the president know and when did he kbe need to know st.? we now have republicans like mitch mcconnell showing no interest in the attainment of truth here. and there is going to be a lot of dispute in the coming weeks about what the president of the united states has done within his own party. >> so let me just add in one
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more mese, and jeff toobin i'm going to ask you this question, now we know both the chairman and the ranking it tell member of the senate committee say that if comey were to testify, and they're still trying to figure it out, next tuesday it would be classified information. who determines that? >> well, first of all, private citizen comey would have to agree to testify. he's under no obligation to testify. he doesn't work for the federal government anymore. and my guess is, knowing him, he will not want to testify next week. he doesn't want to speak for the fbi anymore. i suspect he will lay low. it's up to the committee hohold a closed or open session because they will decide whether they want the full answers and thus classified information that will require a closed hearing or the more limited information that
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would come out in an unclassified public briefing. but one of the questions i think former director comey has to answer in one form or another relates to this bizarre second paragraph in the letter he got from donald trump yesterday where he said -- the president said on three occasions, you, director comey, said i was not part of this investigation. first of all, that would be entirely inappropriate for the fbi director to say something like this, if he did. and if he didn't, it would be an incredible false statement by the president of the united states. so that is something comey can answer, but since he's a private citizen now, i'm not sure we will get an answer anytime soon. part of the question, yes -- she didn't really have an answer for it. >> can i just say something here? >> carl, you can, but let me
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just say sarah when she was pressed on why fire him now, because we now that he praised, candidate trum did in july, she was saying that was candidate trump then and this is president trump now. carl, did you hear that? >> i did. and that's what i was going to interject. in fact, there are very credible reports in the "the new york times" and the "wall street journal," and "the washington post" that indeed when he became knowledgeable comey had asked for more funds into investigation into collusion between the trump campaign and the russians. and there are reports out of the white house from trump people, those are the sources in this information, that the president became enraged and went through with this firing. so all of circumstances here add
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up to the appearance apparent execution of a cover up at the level of the president of the united states. i'm not saying, again, he has obstructed justice. but he has made clear to members of his own party, to members of the opposition, to members of his staff who will tell you this, he does not want a real investigation into what happened with the russians and this election including what happened between people around him and the russians. if there were an innocent explanation for all of this, one would think that the president of the united states would say let's have a special prosecutor. let's have an independent inquery, let's not fire the director of the fooeb, let's get to the bottom of this. we have seen the opposite from donald trump. >> meanwhile, back on planet earth, yes -- >> i mean carl is talking about a sort of, you know, utopian democracy compared to where we
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are right now in reality. and that is it's not going to happen. the only way there will be a special prosecutor, which by the way does mean congress will have to change the law, is with the president kicking and screaming. and the fact of the matter, and carl alluded to this before, is that the top majority leader in the senate he has the power to say okay, guys it's time to do a howard baker and he didn't. and he said very clearly on the senate floor it ain't going to happen. now, the question is whether or not the news cycle changes and we get more information and the pressure becomes too much for him to bear from forget about the democrats, from fellow republicans who are saying enough. and at the end on the day i'm already hearing froms who were in charge of getting house majority elected and they said bye-bye house.
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obviously, they are in a state of shock, but that is a consideration we cannot underplay. >> well, lds. appreciate all of you. we'll watch this and see how this thing dwiss and turns. >> the other thing is who should preplace him? we'll look into the list of who could be next in charge at the fbi. vy silverado to the aluminum bed of this competitor's truck. awesome. yeah! first, let's check out the aluminum bed of this truck. wooooow!! holy moly. full on crack here. now let's check out the steel bed of the silverado. i'd expect more dents. no holes. current qualified lessees can get this silverado all star edition for around $249 a month. plus, find your tag and get an additional $1,500 lease cash on select silverado pickups in stock. find new roads at your local chevy dealer. i have age-related maculare degeneration, amd, he told me to look at this grid every day. and we came up with a plan to help reduce my risk of progression, including preservision areds 2. my doctor said
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the now former fbi director james comey had six years left of his ten year term. and now he's out the search for his replacement is already underway. >> president trump provided the kind of strong and american people have come to be accustomed from him. and he took the action to remove director comey 3467 and now already this morning the president is in the process of evaluating individuals who will be able to fill that spot, lead the fbi and restore the confidence of the american people. this was the right decision at the right time. >> let's talk now. so, gentleman, good to have both
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of you on. and mike, first to you. you saw once comey sort of inserted himself in the public specter last summer, you saw this already as a lose/lose for him. tell me why. >> he definitely had become the story. so any discussion about any investigation, whether it was done by the bureau or the house and sept, he say sort of front and center in a way that is not what you would expect. but also, you know, frankly, his shelf life was limited regardless of who was going to win the presidential election. by that i mean does anyone think that somehow hillary clinton after what director comey did particularly in that appearance at the podium was going to keep his job for any length of time if hillary had won? so i think the window was closing on james comey.
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i think it really shouldn't be a surprise. what i think the problem is what it always is with the trump administration, which is their messagelinging and the way they make decisions and the optic of everything. it continue tuesday be bizarre. do i think it was the right move? well, i think director comey had lost credibility for sure. i think he was personally well-liked within the bureau by the agents there. but i think also there was concern about his credibility and ability to lead the bureau. and that was cited by, frankly, a lot of the people on the democratic side who just in the past weeks and months have been calling for his firing and talking about the lack of credibility in his leadership. but, of course, it's washington, d.c. so you can say anything as long as within your political street. >> you talk about lack of credibility and we heard the white house spokeswoman earlier today saying comey had lost
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confidence not only of the president but the rank and file of the fbi. what you are hearing from your friends and is that the case? >> actually, that's not the case. my fbi agent friends tell me they had a lot of respect for director comey. by the way, director comey had a lot of respect on capitol hill, too. i know while i worked there with house leadership that house leadership and other members of the house republican conference had a great deal of respect for him. there are others who have actually worked with comey in previous roles, and would speak frequently about their trust and confidence in him. i agree with mike about the fact director comey was in a difficult political situation. by necessity he was investigating both political dand dts, which is a sad thing in the state of affairs of our
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country. but let's not forget reason, and i think it's feign painfully obvious from this reporting of the "the new york times," this is an effort for donald trump's campaigns ties to moskow. and this is what this about. >> opinion, not facts yet. because of that respect within you mentioned the hill and the rank and file of the fbi, do you think the intel community will become more leaky as a result of this? >> well, you know, that's a tough issue. members of the intelligence community are rieshed by law not to leak. and that was something i always honored and mike did, too. i hope that's not the case. i would just like to see a straight up investigation led by
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an independent director of the fbi. and i think we need a more serious investigation in congress. i'd like to see everything done by the book, and i think that's the best thing for the country. >> quickly, mike baker of all the names floated, who do you think is the best next guy or gal to head the fbi? >> well, i think even pointed to something hoor here. it's gut tabe an independent, someone not perceived as someone associated with the trump campaign previously. and that's going to be the problem. i think it would be another self-inflicted wound, my guess, from the trump administration. i think so far of all the names that have been floated the one that would fit the bill best for all of us who would like to see someone in that position who could be perceived by both sides as an independent, would be ray kelly. i think kelly is bringing his own problems. i think democrats would look at him as being too aggressive in
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policing perhaps. but if you're looking at just the names that have been floated to date, i would worry it's going to be somebody associated with trump. and i would love to see someone inside the bureau lifted up and given that position. >> sure, gentleman, we've got to go. thank you. and one of the most the credible details of this story is that james comey found out he was fired because he watched it on tv. even thought it was a joke at first. we've got the behind the scenes details of how that happened next. what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever?
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member of rank and file agents within the fbi say they're not only shocked but their angry. they're rangy at how james comey firing unfolded am one m.r.e. called it in a word unbelievable, end quote, unprofessional. they learned of his firing on tv nudes, on tv, in the room when he was speaking. he was visiting a field office in los angeles. reports are he tried to laugh it off. he initially thought it was a joke. john philips is with me now. and john, so, okay, you're on the radio, you're on your show and all of this is starting to brew yesterday afternoon. and you're taking calls and who called you? >> well, someone who was
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anonymous but someone who worked in the fbi office in lachs. now, the story broke maybe 20 plints, 30 minutes before my partner and i went on the air. so we were just learning the details pretty much as they developed on cnn and other sources. so one of the additional reports is comey may have been on the airplane when the news broke, so we reported it on the radio show. so we get this call from a man who is anonymous is he said no, no, no he wasn't on the plane when it happen immediate he was in the fbi office itself in lachs. he was here in town twr a diversity kfrs, but he always makes sure to come a little early to talk to people in the office if he's got other business here. so he's in the office to give a little pep talk to the m.r.e.s there, and i guess behind them was a television screen that had a news channel on, i believe it
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was cnn, we had the banner comey fires right behind him. so everyone in the room was fired except for comey. and everyone was kind of looking like, hey, who's going to tell him to turn around. and he's finally told to turn around, sees it, thinks it a joke and kind of laughs it off and says i'm going to call washington and see what's going on. he goes into the room, makes a phone call, comes out with a very defer look on his face. he gives a little motivational speech about the fbi, how he enjoyed his time there and takes off for the airport. >> gives them the pep talk. just knick e quickly before i let you go, this person who called you from l.a., how did this individual feel about the news? >> in total shock. i mean the description was like a seen from "the office," where first you don't know if it's a joke and then you find out for
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real and then it's all sinking in. it was definitely a curve ball. >> john philips, good to see you. a form person who worked with comey. what michelle balkman thinks.
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out. and just like that the suspicion of russian collusion just got loud r. we bring in a former member of the house intelligence commity. congress woman bachmann, nice to have you on. >> good to talk with you, brooke. i know you called him a decent guy. what is your reaction to his firing? >> well, he is a decent guy. he's a very hardworking and career person in the fbi. but, clearly, president trump has the constitutional authority and judgment to make the call on who he wants as his fbi drerk. and again, i think it's important to understand the context of all of this. this is a highly politicized set of facts we're dealing with. we had the former president of the united states, president obama, state publicly that hillary clinton was not guilty of the e-mail controversy where she took a private server and had government business on a
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private, unsecured server, including classified information. that was the context. and the president said unilaterally on his own she's not guilty. so it's very clear that the justice department under loretta lynch would never indict hillary clinton. >> i just have to interject. i understand that was a piece it was back in july when they talked about this probe. that was when the president was initially doubting, i suppose, james comey's ability to do his job. but yet it took him all these many months to follow through. do you question that at all? >> no, i don't question it. because we know that the deputy attorney general had conducted a search and he put a letter forward and the president made his decision based upon that. and i think very clearly what we've seen is a highly
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politicized from the previous administration whereby a highly politicized department of justice written loretta lynch actually sat on a tarmac in a private meeting with the former president billclipten why his wife was running for the president of the united states while she was under investigation for the e-mail server. >> but candidate trump agreed was agregious and was the reason why he fired comey but then president trump praised. how do you phrase that? >> he made a adjustment call. i think the reason a lot of people's hire is on fire today is because there's been this nonstop rampage about alleged dulution between hillary clinton losing the election because of russia. there is zero evidence, and so once again i think there's a string to try and make this look like this has something to do with trump being afraid of the
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investigation. when in fact the investigation is continuing without skipping a beat. so that goes forward. but the fact is it was a highly politicized nature, both the fbi and doj regarding secretary clinton's unauthorized use of a private server were classified government information that was easily assessable by russia, by china, by iran, by north korea. >> if i may jump in, there's a tweet just now from the president. he tweeted as follow. dchls have been complaining for months and months about director comey. now he has been fired they pretend to be aggrieved, phony, hip krts. but congress woman, telling the truth if hillary clinton were to have won, if she were to have won the presidency and she just fired the fbi director investigating her campaign, how do you think republicans would
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be acting? >> well, it's a hypothetical. we'll never know how that will be. but as you said -- >> indulge me, congress, woman. indulge me. >> sure. >> how do you think they would be reacting if she had up and fired james comey? >> well, i think the reality is both republicans and democrats in 2016, both parties wanted to see fbi director comely fired last year because the appearance was of politicization on these judgment calls, rarlding again, hillary clinton's unauthorized use and subjecting america to our classified information being discoverable by our enemies. this was a big issue. and again, that really should be the focus in all of this because this is unprecedented. we've never had a secretary of state has has ever subjected in
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realtime for four years, our classified information to our enemymize. >> congresswoman, you keep going back to hillary clinton. because this is about president trump. president trump fired comey and this is the individual essentially in charge of the investigation. we're not talking about the private server. i understand -- >> that's the basis of why he is being fired because of the mishandling of that situation. >> do we know why he was fired? >> i think it was stated in the press conference we just had going back to thevents regarding ms. clinton, and that's avoidable. because the president inserted himself as did former attorney general loretta lynch when he said he was not guilty. and if there ever should have been a rucuseal both president
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obama and attorney general lynch should have ruaccused themselves at that time. >> final question, though i think my point is ultimately there are calls to investigate into tries with the trump campaign and russia. sarah huckabee said last night she feels the issue is put to bed. put to bed, do you agree with that congresswoman? >> well, the investigation is on going. like i said, that isn't skipping a beat. >> do you think because of the firing it should be put to bet or do you have questions as well? >> on collusion? >> on any sort of ties between the trump campaign and russia. >> well, there are none. there's absolutely zero evidence exists. and so today, once again -- >> how do you know that? >> how do i know that? where's the efds, brooke. there is zero evidence put
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forward so far. whether today, whether it's the media or democrat party they're pouncing as another piece of evidence. there is no evidence. >> no one's pouncing bring. i'm neither a member of these committees that's looking looki information. i guess what i'm trying to ask do you feel like then this investigation is moot? >> no, the investigation will continue. there's no question it will continue until it reaches its xleerks as it should. >> okay. congresswoman myung bakman, thank you -- congresswoman michelle bachman, thank you so much. a lot of people are comparing comey firing as the saturday night massacre. [ birds chirping ]
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the president's accused by democrats of trying to circumvent the russia investigation by firing combing. he meets with the russian foreign minister and the russian ambassador to the united states. he's accused of being nixonian and meets with richard nixon's secretary of state. the timing of all of this, is this the president poking a finger at his critic's eyes? >> these are meet that is have been on the book for a while. they didn't just happen this morning. there's not a strategy to go after the democrats on this. i think frankly had the saddest thing is that the democrats are trying to politicize and take away from something that the president should be doing. he should be meeting with the foreign minister. he should be meeting with people like kissinger, and for them to try to attack him for doing his
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job, maybe they should spend a little more time doing their jobs and we wouldn't have all the problems that we do. >> a day after the firing of fbi director james comey the optics of how this is playing out was obviously the crux of many of the questions today at the briefing. a lot of comparisons to president nixon and his firing of the special prosecutor investigating him during the watergate scandal. so you've got tim nestle who is here, cnn presidential historian and former director of the nixon presidential library. good to see you. so you have the likes of john podesta who are treating real donald trump, didn't you know you're supposed to wait till start night to massacre people investigating you? alluding to back in '72 when nixon firing archibald cox. is the connection off a little bit? >> well, i mean, look, the most important issue here is whether the president is engaging in obstruction of justice. in 1973, october 'p 3, richard
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nixon. >> '73, my bad. >> in 1973 richard nixon had his underlings fire archibald cox because cox wanted tapes which would incriminate the president. >> yeah. >> at that point it was john dean's word against the president's word and the president knew that he could be incriminated by the tapes and he didn't want the special prosecutor to have them so it was an obstruction of justice. in this instance we don't know enough about where the fbi investigation is leading to know if trump in an awkward clumsy way is trying to obstruction justice. one of the big differences here is that cox was hired to investigate watergate. james comey was hired by president obama to be a very good non-partisan fbi director. there is someone under comey, i'm sure, who is running the russia hacking investigation. what we have to watch for now is whether the white house interferes in any way. we know that comey asked for
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more money for the investigation. is the fbi going to get that money? is somebody going to try to change what's going on by the probes at the fbi? that's what we have to watch for, and if that happens this is a direct parallel. right now what we see is terrible optics and a man, president trump, who is acting nixonian and acting as if he were guilty but there's no evidence that he's guilty of anything. >> in 1973, ultimately cox was fired and then give me the tapes, give me the tapes and then the ag and deputy ag resigned and a new special prosecutor was brought on and ultimately, we note end. >> but this is a great story because al haig told us at the library. we did a lot of interviews for the library. al haig said they were trying to find a ringer, find somebody who would not investigate seriously and they said we'll get a southern democrat. southern democrats were moving to richard nixon because -- >> because they thought it would be somebody who would go on.
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>> and got a man named leon jaworski and turned out he put country in front of president, and he was a really tough prosecutor and continued what cox had done so the white house by changing the characters didn't affect the investigation at all. we have to see whom the white house chooses to be the new fbi director. i anticipate a very tough confirmation hearing. a lot will have tough questions, not just from democrats but republicans, too. >> and even now just listening to manu raju interviewing the two, you know, democratic senators, and they are saying they may, you know, slow things down. things might creep to a halt. they want the special prosecutor but dana bash said, back on planet earth, please, we don't know if that will help in this case. >> we should be proud of what fbi professionals did in 1922 and '73 and '74. they pushed back against richard nixon's white house. they pushed back against an attack of an fbi director who
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was trying to slow their work and ultimately they did the right thing and we have to hope and i have good reason to believe there are pros at the fbi who will do the right thing for their country. congress also needs to play a role. that is very big moment for us. it's a stress test for our timsy. >> tim naftali, thank you, sir. thank you for being with me. let's go to washington right now. "the lead" starts right now. thanks, brooke. the nixon library tweeted a protest saying that president trump's actions are not nixonian because nixon never fired an fbi director. that really happened. "the lead" starts right now. jaws dropping all over washington after the president of the united states fires the guy in charge of investigating his campaign. i talked to a source close to fbi director james comey today. how does the world look today from the comey family porch? moscow mockery. today vladimir putin's foreign minister chuckling at the u.s. as we find out that one of the last things comey did at the