i was going to fire comey. my decision. >> the initial explanation was untrue. >> i know you love to report that we were misled. >> we have a nice dinner. >> he demanded loyalty of the fbi director responsible for the probe. >> did you ask him to drop the investigation? >> no. >> our committee will get to the bottom of what happened during the 2016 presidential election. >> the russia thing with trump and russia is a made up story. >> we want to this come to its conclusion. >> there has been no efrfort to impede our investigation. >> president trump stating why it took 18 days to fire michael
flynn. >> it would be unfair to hear from somebody we don't know and fire a general. >> this is "new day." with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> welcome viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "new day." alisyn is off. poppy harlow joins us. we have a big stay today. let's begin with the white house in damage control. president contradicting himself and the spin from so many white house officials. acknowledging this wasn't about what was offered up by the deputy ag. this was about the russia investigation. his displeasure with it and desire to get rid of director james comey. the administration repeatedly said the fbi's investigation into the campaign had nothing to do with his decision and that was flat out untrue. >> for the first time the president is now detailing the three conversations he claims he had with then director comey about the investigation.
the white house is struggling to keep up with the firestorm. changing its story again and again. it is all stalling the president's agenda to work for you the men peopamerican people. we have joe johns at the white house with more. >> reporter: good morning, poppy. inside the mind of donald trump. this interview is anything of a fascinating look of the way the president processes things. it is full of contradictions and also admissions, including a lot of information about the president's motivation for firing the fbi director. >> i was going to fire comey. my decision. >> reporter: president trump changing the message again. saying now it was his decision to fire james comey, not the recommendation of the top two justice department officials. >> he made a recommendation. regardless of recommendation, i was going to fire comey. knowing there was no good time. >> reporter: contradicting days
of statements from the white house. >> he provided strong leadership to act on the recommendation of the deputy attorney general. >> the president took the advice of the deputy attorney general. >> reporter: the president personally castigating comey. >> he's a showboat. he's a grandstander. >> reporter: for the first time, admitting the fbi investigation into the possible collusion with the campaign and russia was on his mind. >> when i decided to do it, i said to myself, i said, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a made up story. it's an excuse by the democrats for having lost an election they should have won. >> reporter: a source close to comey telling cnn he was fired over the ak seccelerating russi investigation and the refusal to assure the president a loyalty. the president was pressed about the paragraph in the letter firing comey where he claims that comey assured him three times he was not personally
under investigation. trump explaining how it transpired. >> at dinner it was arranged. i think he asked for the dinner. he wanted to stay on as the fbi head. i said i'll consider it. we'll see what happens. he said it once at dinner and twice during phone calls. >> did you call him? >> in one case i called him. >> did you ask? >> yes. i said if it is possible would you let me know am i under investigation. he said you are not under investigation. >> reporter: that exchange raising eyebrows. >> isn't it inappropriate for the president of the united states to ask the fbi director directly if he is under direction? >> no, i don't believe it is. >> reporter: comey has not confirmed the white house account as they change their investigation of why he was fired. andrew mccabe contradicting the account.
>> they lost confidence in the director. >> comey enjoyed broad support within the fbi and still does to this day. i don't believe there is a crisis of confidence with the leadership of the fbi. >> reporter: the trump administration suggesting firing comey would help end the fbi investigation into the russian election meddling. >> we want it to come to conclusion with inter ri ty. we think we have removed director comey taken steps to make that happen. >> reporter: something the acting fbi director vowed to let not happen. >> you cannot stop the men and women of the fbi from doing the right thing. >> reporter: the president claiming he wants answers on russia. >> there is no collusion between me and my campaign and the russians. if russia hacked, if russia did anything, having to do with our election, i want to know about it. >> reporter: insisting he did not try to interfere with the fbi investigation. >> did you ask him to drop the investigation? >> no. >> did anyone from the white house? >> i want the investigation speeded up.
>> reporter: president trump explaining why it took 18 days to fire michael flynn after acting attorney general sally yates met with the white house counsel to warn that flynn was vulnerable to blackmail by the russians. >> my white house counsel came back to me and did not sound like an emergency of any kind. didn't make it sound like it was. she did not make it sound that way either in the hearings the other day like it had to be done immediately. i believe it would be very unfair to hear from somebody who we don't know and immediately run out and fire a general. >> reporter: trump defending flynn who lied to the vice president about his contacts with russia and for concealing payments from foreign governments. >> this man has served for many years. he is a general. he's in my opinion a very good person. >> reporter: little bit more of the timeline.
"the new york times" reported the dinner the president had with james comey occurred one day after acting attorney general sally yates had informed the white house that the president's national security adviser michael flynn had been compromised by the russians. the president had possibly on his schedule visiting the fbi today, but that expectation has now been nixed given continuing uproar over firing of the fbi director. poppy and chris. >> interesting. the president says why would i act on the word of somebody i don't know. acting ag sally yates who came with a senior official to back up the truth. he wanted us to believe the word of the guy in the job two weeks. now it defies fact. he contradicted what this was about. let's bring in the panel. reporter chris cillizza. associate editor for real clear
politics. a.b. stoddard. and analyst patrick healey. cillizza, he made his people look like fools. press secretary and vice president were saying things that are false. the president made it clear this was about russia. his dislike of the investigation. his dislike of the man running it. >> that is a good summary, chris. his press secretary. his vice president. take a pause there. mike pence was the governor of the state. leadership of the house of representatives. this is not the press secretary. he is a staffer at the bottom and really a person who is supposed to represent the party line. to be honest about it. mike pence is the vice president of the united states. on capitol hill two days ago says this is because of rod rosenstein's memo. the president contradicts that in a high profile way.
>> chris, let's take a moment and listen to that. this is the second time the vice president has been misled by seemingly by his own white house. first flynn and now the president himself. >> the mendacity montage. >> i was going to fire comey. >> he took the recommendation of the deputy attorney general. >> that makes no sense. >> he made a determination that the fbi director lost confide e confidence. made recommendation. >> the president took strong and decisive leadership here to put the safety and security of the american people first by accepting the recommendation of the deputy attorney general. >> the president accepted the recommendation of his deputy attorney general to remove james comey from his position. >> cillizza? >> i mean, it is clear there, right? look, what happened here? i think the white house did
their best scrambling after they were surprised, many of them, surprised that donald trump made the decision to fire james comey. they did their best to say this is a long time respected guy and rod rosenstein is a new guy to the job. it was wide agreement that comey may not have handled himself great in the situation. democrats and republicans, let's go with that. donald trump doesn't like -- donald trump wants to be the guy on the "a"apprentice." everybody sit in front of me in the board room and i make the call. he doesn't like it when that "you're fired" moment is taken from him. he seized it back. not even 18 hours pass between mike pence clip and donald trump sitting down with nbc. contradicting him. >> to that point, this is the thing, the vice president and
white house deputy press secretary can come out and say one thing. donald trump is operated on the view that no matter what the people around him, his lieutenants are saying, he can come out and whatever he says is right. it doesn't matter if it contradicts what has come before. it doesn't martter if it feels like whiplash. as long as he views the situation. that's what the operating situation will be going forward. >> a.b., do you like to play the role of big bucket of cold water this morning and say crisis-smisis. that is what he did. people don't like the way comey handled the clinton scandal. democrats at the top of the list. this is much ado about nothing and move on. >> this is all about donald trump. he doesn't think anyone can sell the way he can sell. he is willing to throw people under the bus.
what donald trump does is takes things that are true and look at the fact that the democrats look like hypocrites. comey lost credibility. comey breached protocol and the rosenstein memo is right about that. and the fourth thing. maybe the collusion story may turn out to be be unfounded. he throws a lie on top of it and makes the entire story about the white house trying to cover up for the president's mess. who then comes out and says to lester holt, no it is all about russia and i'm willing to fire a guy running the fbi and running the investigation into the possibility that my team and my campaign colluded with the russians in the election. so the entire story now instead of being about comey where a really sane rollout with an fbi replacement in line you could have talked about and people could have focused on. you could have offered comey
quietly a chance to resign. you could have paused. this becomes a firestorm of whether or not trump is tampering with an investigation and obstruction of justice and risking impeachment. this is all a storm that no one can stop president trump. no one can say pause 36 hours. sit down and think about the consequences or tweeting rosie o'donnell on the same day. no one can stop this. no one can talk sense into him. not vice president pence. not reince priebus. not steve bannon. not the kids. nobody. >> so we got critical details last night from the president. if they are true. about the three times that comey detailed he is not under investigation. >> he wanted to have dinner because he wanted to stay on. we had a nice dinner.
he asked for that. that dinner was arranged. i think he asked for the dinner. he wanted to stay on as the fbi head. i said i'll consider it. we'll see what happens. we had a nice dinner. at that time he told me you are not under investigation. he said it once at dinner and twice during phone calls. >> did you call him? >> one case i called him and one case he called me. >> did you ask? >> i asked him. i said if it is possible would you let me know am i under investigation. he said you are not under investigation. >> chris, an important point to add to that is the fact that jake tapper is reporting that one reason comey was fired was lack of willingness on the fbi director's part to pledge loyalty. at this dinner, the president asked for a loyalty pledge. comey said no, i will give you honesty. i will not pledge loyalty to you.
>> look, there is a lot of conflicting reporting on this. donald trump has shown a tendency to stretch the truth on lots of occasions. i won't go through them all. the show is only three hours long. i don't know that we should assume that this is accurate. comey allies insist he would not do that. the assurance that he wasn't under investigation. james comey is a guy who has been a lifetime member of the organization. seems odd he would break protocol like that even in the one-on-one conversation with the president. that puts aside the oddness of the president asking am i under investigation. you know, it is like going out on a first date and asking if the person is in love with you. you put the person in a difficult spot, right? what are you going to say? this is your boss. he is saying, just, if you can, tell me if i'm under
investigation. comey knows that's a breach protocol. my guess is comey fumbled around. look, the missing piece here is james comey's side of the story. you know, will he come out and say this did or did not happen. it happened this way or that way. right now, all we are getting is some background quotes from comey allies. we need to hear from him. >> he has been invited to give that testimony. closed door classified on tuesday. >> you have the bad/worse situation. if the president asked james comey that and comey gave any kind of satisfaction he wasn't under investigation. that is bad. that is an exercise of poor discretion by the fbi director. if that didn't happen and comey were to come out and say he never asked. i didn't want to be at the dinner. i had to go. it never happened and you have a situation where your ability to
trust what comes out of the most powerful man in the world's mouth is limited, patrick. >> this may get to why james comey may ultimately come forward and talk about this. he cares deeply about the fbi. he has great loyalty to the fbi. the image of the fbi that is being presented by the white house is essentially that the fbi director is willing to go to the white house and beg the president to keep him on for his job is willing to make the statements that an fbi director normally would never make. you are not under investigation. you are not under investigation. the deputy white house press secretary saying the countless fbi employees have told her that comey was unpopular and the bureau is in crisis. the bureau is in trouble. at some point the image of the fbi that is coming out of the white house is so far different than what certainly james comey wants americans to believe that
there could be real confidence in the investigation on russia. >> a.b., what about the confidence the american people should have in who the president thinks is a good, reliable person? there was a stunning moment in the interview with lester holt where the president said right off the bat, i fired comey for a number of reasons. he was a showboat. then michael flynn. the former national security adviser who is under multiple investigations in the senate intelligence committee subpoenaed documents and the president calls him a good person. listen to it. >> sally yates recently testified that the white house was notified he was compromised and at risk of being blackmailed. it was 18 days later he was finally fired. during the 18 days, i assume he had access to the nation's top secrets. one day you meet on the issue of comey and you fire him in a
humiliating way in the room with the colleagues. >> my white house counsel came back to me and did not sound like an emergency. did not make it sound like he was and she did not make it sound like it was either in the hearings like it had to be done immediately. this man served for many years. he's a general. he's in my opinion a very good person. it would be unfair to hear from somebody we don't know and immediately run out and fire a general. >> the acting attorney general at the time. >> very important point at the time. a.b., sally yates said she went there urgently and said she has three conversations with the white house counsel about it. >> poppy, in terms of the american people's perception of donald trump's credibility and how he weighs in on a person of
stellar credentials. no matter who he chooses to replace james comey, he will tell us he is tremendous. the fear is he will pick a friend. someone who will not earn bipartisan support or trusted by the other side. republicans on the hill are watching closely. the polling from quinnipiac and other places to show donald trump's integrity and leadership numbers in the tank. shows a disadvantage in the congressional ballot and shows the forecasts like charlie cook and others show the house is in play. this is worry and pressure on the president to pick someone to get bipartisan support. >> a lot of time left to go. a.b., whatever they are doing on the gop side, they are not speaking out. silence is deafening. gentlemen, lady, thank you. the timing of comey's firing is raising eyebrows with gop members of congress.
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there is a meaningful silence coming from the gop leadership about the clear deception from the white house as to why james comey was fired. it does not get more obvious than this. the letter, the initial word from the white house was that this firing was about the findings of the deputy a.g. and the clinton e-mail scandal. not russia. then the president said this. >> look, he's a showboat. he's a grandstander. the fbi has been in turmoil. you know that. i know that. everybody knows that. regardless of recommendation, i was going to fire comey knowing there was no good time to do it. in fact, when i decided to just do it, i said to myself, i said, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a made up story. it's an excuse by the democrats for having lost the election. >> now, not all republicans are
staying quiet. we have congress member scott taylor of virginia. he is troubled by the timing presented here and he wants to speak out. it is good to have you, congress member. what do you make of this obvious disconnect between what we were told this was about and now what the president says it was really about? >> there certainly is a disconnect in messaging. i will say this. it is the prerogative of the president. the director serves at his pleasure. he can remove him. that is his legal authority. the timing and message is off. i know that folks will report on all stations on either side. democrats will say things. it is his prerogative. at the same time, two things. the director has to have the confidence of the president. any president. people have to have the confidence in the process.
with everything going on right now, i think it is important with the president does appoint someone who is seen as, you know, not partisan and seen as an independent person which needs to happen in the fbi. i don't like the claim rfrafram fbi. people work there every day to keep us safe. i don't want this to come out like i'm throwing them under the bus on either side. they do a good job. the perception of the american people for the process to be good. yes, at the same time, the president, any president,kconfi director. >> confidence, yes. what about the constitution? what does it mean that the president may have said to the director of the fbi. are you loyal to me and that the president by his own admission, wanted to know about what his role was in the investigation?
>> obviously one side saying one thing. one side saying the other. i agree with the assessment given to comey in that the fbi director is not loyal to any politician in a political way. they are loyal to the constitution first and foremost. i think you can be loyal to the constitution and still have the confidence of the president, of course. i don't know who said what. i won't get into that. yes, an fbi director has to have independence. they have to conduct investigations in accordance with the constitution as you said. i don't know who said what. clearly an fbi director is not loyal to someone in a political way. they are loyal to the constitution first and foremost. >> if you now know the president by his admission did interfere. he wanted to know where comey's head was on it and was willing to fire comey when he had
dissatisfaction over comey and the investigation. what does that tell you about the ability to have this investigation done and the potential need for it to be removed to a truly independent body? >> so with all due respect, i'm not sure that was interfering with the investigation. if i thought for a second i might be under investigation and having dinner with the fbi director, i might ask him too. he may not tell me. i would not say that is interferi interfering. you saw my statement. i'm not saying the independent investigation has to happen right now. that's not what i'm saying. what i'm saying is there's one step removed. that is who gets appointed. a partisan person, i don't know how you don't -- i think there may need to be an independent investigation. if there is someone that is perceived by the senate bipartisan who is independent who can continue an investigation to have confidence in the process.
let's go there. >> do you think your party is choosing party over country by staying quiet in the face of the contradictions that come from the president? it is not reporting that brought this out. the president contradicted the message and letter sent out by the white house? nothing from gop leadership from any meaning. >> you know, i'm not going to speak for anyone. i'll let them speak for themselves. i'm sure they will come on the program and answer. >> no, they won't. you were happy to come on. we respect that. they are staying quiet here. is this the time for quiet? >> they have to decide that. i'm not going to speak for anybody or condemn anybody on either side. there are people speaking out on either side. i heard from them. as i said before, the fbi, i don't want them to become political. this political football. republican or democrat. they have to have the confidence of the american people for
objective investigations. i'm not saying there has to be an independent one at this moment. we'll see. like i said, two concerns i have. one, a president has to have confidence in his director. that is his or her prerogative. we have to have the confidence in the process for the american people. let's see who gets appointed next in the senate in the bipartisan way. >> what about the confidence of what comes out of the white house? they said this is about rosenstein's memo. everybody said it. we have the montage. i'm calling it the mondacity montage. everybody was put in a position to say this is what it was about. the president goes on tv and says it is not about this. i was going to fire him anyway. this is about russia. comey's a grandstander. he had to go. what about being able to trust what comes from the white house.
does that matter? >> of course it parmatters. the memo is not full of lies. >> i'm not saying that. >> the memo itself, obviously he is well respected of course. director comey, who has given great service to the nation. let's say that. he made serious missteps for sure. democrats and republicans are on record for saying. that he clearly, the president, whether that is the only reason or other reasons where he lost the confidence of the president. he lost the confidence of the president. he is within his legal authority to fire him. again, my concern in moving forward is who is next? who is next and is that giving a person for the american people who believes objectivity in an investigati investigation. your question is yes, you have to have trust. >> congress member, i appreciate you coming forward and speaking out on this. tricky political terrain.
we need leaders to step up. thank you for doing so. >> leadership matters. thank you. poppy. >> it does. thank you. president trump has proved loyalty is incredibly important to him. when it comes to former fbi director james comey, president trump demanded that and the report is comey would not promise it. our panel weighs in next. the first-ever lexus lc. experience amazing what makesheart healthysalad the becalifornia walnuts.r? the best simple veggie dish ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple dinner ever? heart healthy california walnuts. great tasting, heart healthy california walnuts.
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all right. it has become abundantly clear that president trump values loyalty. a lot. a source tells cnn james comey's reason for not declaring that to the president is the reason he was fired. did president trump ask for loyalty over the loyalty to the constitution? we have our panel here. gentlemen, thank you for being here this friday morning. matt, let me begin with you. multiple threads of reporting. jake tapper reporting that one of the reasons that comey was fired is because he would not promise that loyalty to the president and the new york times
reporting that at that dinner on january 27th at the white house with the president and then fbi director james comey. the president said will you be loyal? comey said no. i'll be honest with you, mr. president. do you believe that this is a president who has put loyalty above all else and is partly what cost the fbi director his job? >> two answers. i think loyalty is important to the president. it is important to all presidents. i was involved in the personnel process for president george w. bush. we asked every political appointee about the opinions of the president and if they could buy into the agenda and be loyal to the agenda. secondly, a dinner that president trump disclosed with he and jim comey. there are now articles about pushing back on what the president said in the interview with nbc and who could that source be, poppy? two people having a dinner and
someone pushing back and said here is what the president demapped d demand demanded. it has to be jim comey. that is why people are frustrated with james comey. he is a political animal. he plays this game and he is clearly trying to push back to win the news cycle of what may have happened at the dinner. >> matt, the west wing leaks plenty. especially people -- >> so does jim comey. >> okay. who know? >> who was at the dinner? >> i wish i was at the dinner. bakari, on the issue of honesty and the president's base. look at the numbers from the quinnipiac poll. the trust level people have in the president that he is honest fallen 9 points since november. you have a drop off in credibility for the president. we have a slide to show you among his base. 44% of non college educated voters say the president is
honest. today is 44% versus 66% in november. what does this mean in the ability to hold on to the trust of his base, bakari? >> first, poppy, the president went not white house with the trust deficit with more than half of america. i have not seen a white house in all of my years erode the remainder of the trust so quickly. whether it is kellyanne conway or sarah huckabee sanders or spicer. their affinity for the truth is distant. when you look at the interview the president gave yesterday, i remember matt schlapp and many others with bill clinton meeting on the tarmac with loretta lynch, they were clutching their pearls. they could not believe what is happening. now you have the president sitting with lester holt saying i asked about the investigation into me and my associates. there is no pearl clutching
there. there's no irate behavior there. the question is who leaked what. people and americans throughout the country, whether you are democrat or republican, fly over big cities are beginning to see the president, one, he is a liar, and two, he cannot be trusted. i think it is his words that is doing it and creating the downfall. >> matt, let's get a take on the words in the interview. when the president said to lester holt when asked about russian interference. he said if there was hacking. he questioned the finding of all 17 u.s. intelligence agencies. he questioned if we have 17 intelligence agencies which we do. yesterday, he signed the executive order starting a commission to look into voter fraud. an unsubstantiated claim of millions of voted fraudulently in the election. is this president putting more
trust in conspiracy theories or unsubstantiated claims than he is of the 17 intelligence agencies? >> that is a lot you have thrown at me. on the fbi investigation, it is important to understand that the person running the fbi said there is zero attempts by trump or the trump administration to affect their investigation. that is what the fbi is saying. whether or not james comey runs the fbi, there will be a continued investigation on what russia did with our elections. i think we all want to know the answers. whether it is good for president trump or bad for president trump. when it comes to the question of setting up the commission. it is a bipartisan commission which is the right way to handle this issue. i think that there are examples of voter fraud. >> not millions. i'm saying he is giving more credence. >> docan you let me answer? >> sure. he is giving more substance to
the claims than the 17 intelligence agencies. >> i can go to the election one and talk about that. this is an issue within our politics. we should all be against illegal voting. we have a question when the illegal voting happens. we have convictions on the books. this commission intends to take voting officials which by the way voting is a state function to work with them to make sure that we have less voter fraud. when it comes to the question about russia's hacking in the election. look, nobody has found one example of any interaction or law breaking by the trump campaign. i love to hear that law breaking. how about a russian official they named? this is the investigation in search of a crime. it is time for the american people to get the facts from the fbi. >> not an answer to my question, but we're out of time. you will be back. >> that was a big question. >> it is an important question what the president gives credence to. thank you. bakari, sorry. we're out of time.
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listen up air travelers. the ban on laptops and other large devices may soon be expanding to flights from europe. what does that mean? cnn's rene marsh live in washington. tell it. >> reporter: it means inconvenience and long lines at international airports if you are coming from there and trying to come to the united states. right now, chris, the ban is in place for flights from ten airports in muslim majority countries. now the focus is europe. they haven't made decision yet. it is coming soon. deliberations are still ongoing about whether to institute the ban at just select airports in europe or simply across the board. now a ban across europe for all u.s. bound flights could impact more than 350 flights a day. the europe to u.s. track is the world's busiest international
traffic corridor. delta, united, american airlines. those are the u.s. carriers impacted the most because they have the most flights flying that route. i'm told we should expect a decision to be announced in a week or two. the reasoning behind this is because essentially they have intelligence that suggests that terror groups have perfected ability to conceal explosives in battery components of the electronics. that is the concern. back to you, poppy. >> rene marsh, thank you. coming up, the president's decision to fire james comey putting rod rosenstein in the spotlight. we will speak with the man who worked with rosenstein. he worked with him for 25 years. intelligent technology can help protect it. the all-new audi q5 is here.
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[vo] the grille is distinctive. but it's usually seen from the rear. the all-new audi q5 is here. mr. rosenstein, did you threaten to quit over the comey fall-out? can you say as to why? >> the deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein, the man at the center of a political firestorm. i think trump issed in the mid
of the political firestorm. but he wrote the letter firing comey. did he know about his role. >> let's talk to someone who knows him and worked for him for over two decades. to be specific, you guys started out working together in the doj public integrity section of all places, which was started after water gate. it is nice to have you here. what is your initial reaction to all that is swirling around the man you know. >> rod rosenstein is a man of utmost integrity who got played by the president of the united states. look, everything he said in that memo was true. director comey undermined confidence in the fbi and he very well may have changed the course of the election. rod and i worked together in the public integrity section, the section that was created after watergate.
watergate was about the president trying to obstruct justice and change the course of an investigation. to anybody coming from that section knows how dangerous it is when the president tries to assert his authority inappropriately. so this narrative that rod rosenstein, a man who was appointed to high positions in the department of justice by george w. bush and by obama and now by trump, the idea he gets rolled by trump, that's not what happened. that's not how it worked. >> you have the merits of what he put in the letter, which as you are saying you have strong support for and people make arguments on either side. certainly the democrats are making those arguments all along. but then you have the what was his role here and what did he know about it? it is hard to believe that rosenstein could get asked to write this memo and not have any clue as to what it was about.
i mean, if somebody comes to you, professor, and says, do me a favor, write all the reasons comey should go, why do you think you other doing that? >> you give the president of the united states your honest legal advices and do just that. and the public integrity section all we did was go after corrupt politicians. we were trained to put the politics aside. if you are a prosecutor and all you think about is the political implications you will go crazy. so did rosenstein realize that if he gave his honest opinion that president trump might use it to his political advantage? of course he did. he said, i'm sorry, mr. president i can't tell you the truth because of how you might use this information, no. the problem, poppy, with this it is bigger than rod rosenstein. so part of it is the whole washington story, a scandal arises and we throw some
hard-working public servant under the bus. never mind his 30 years of service to the united states. but the bigger problem it underestimates donald trump. president trump told lester hoelt yesterday that he didn't care what rosenstein said. he was going to fire him anyway. >> you got reporting out of the wall street journal that he went to the white house council and said you guys have to change the narrative. this isn't true and i'm not comfortable working in an voormt like this. you heard him say, no, i'm not quitting, but do you think he works his way through this? what is he willing to stomach and sfa on board? >> if the president is saying i id didn't care what the deputy attorney general and what the attorney general said, i'm going to do what i wanted to, that's a problem. i think there should have been a part two saying i know this is a bad look, so i am going to appoint a special prosecutor to
investigate this. he has more power than anybody in the country to do that. >> special counsel, right. he could bring a special counsel. that may be an issue right now. i think rosenstein got good cover from the president in a way with his admission that i don't care what rosenstein said. add least it removes rosenstein from a direct assessment of coupleability. this wasn't a legal memo. this was a set of factual and opinion inferences based on his reckoning of the situation. there is talk of the moral factor at the agency and how comey's actions were sperceived. this is a memo that should have been seen as having political impact, no? >> it is about the judgment and ethics of the director of the world's law enforcement agency. so when director comey went on television in the course of a national election and cast all
these aspersions on hillary clinton without giving her a chance in a court of law to defend herself, that broke every law in the department of justice handbook about how you about as an ethical investigator. that's what rosenstein said in that memo. that is absolutely correct. >> now there is a new memo about how about if comey told the president of the united states that he wasn't the subject of the investigation and what if he was actually asked. thanks for being on new day. we have a lot of news. this whiplash in washington. one reason offered for why comey was fired and then the president says, nope, it was something totally different. let's get after it. >> i was going to fire comey. my decision. >> the president clearly contradicting himself. >> he demanded loyalty of the fbi director responsible for that probe. >> he's a sure thing.
he's the grand standard. >> director comey enjoyed broad support within the fbi. >> am i under investigation? he said you are not under investigation. >> i don't see that as a conflict of interest. >> i said to myself, trump and russia is a made up story. >> we cannot stop the men and women of the fbi from doing the right thing. >> if russia had anything to do with our election, i want to know about it. >> this is new day with alisyn camerota and chris quo cuomo. president trump contradicting himself and white house officials it turns out the reason given for firing james comey was fake. the president acknowledging he has russia on his mind when he got