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the white house national security advisers defending president trump sharing intelligence with the russians saying today the president wasn't fully briefed and did not know where the information had come from. why not? plus, deeply disturbing. downward spiral. very troubling. congress reacting to the stunning report, and those are just the republicans. then, after its most successful missile launch yet, new clues show that north korea was likely behind friday's global cyber attack. what's it going to take to stop kim jong-un? welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. explanations today from the white house simply do not add up. in march cnn's evan perez had learned from numerous officials that intelligence deemed credible said that isis was developing laptop computer bombs to be used on international flights. before reporting this on cnn, perez talked to trump administration officials who cautioned perez and subsequently
cnn executives to not report certain details about the threat, including the city from which some of the intelligence was collected. by reporting are the city's name, trump administration officials insisted, that would tip off american adversaries about sources and methods used to gather the intelligence. tlt would, th-- it would, they get people killed. cnn did not report the details or the name of the city and last night the "washington post" reported and government officials say that president trump in a meeting with the russian foreign minister sergei lavrov and the u.s. ambassador sergey kislyak revealed highly classified information about this specific isis laptop threat. "the post" reported that the president, quote, described how the islamic state was pursuing elements of a specific plot and how much harm such an attack could cause under varying circumstances. most alarmingly, officials said,
trump revealed the city in the islamic state's territory where the u.s. intelligence partner detected the threat, unquote. it's the same city. it's the same city that cnn was cautioned not to report, but here's the president's national security adviser general h.r. mcmaster when asked earlier today about the president sharing the name of the city with the russians. >> if you were to say, hey, from where do you think a threat might come from territory that isis controls, you would probably be able to name a few cities, i think, and so it was -- it was nothing that you would not know from open-source reporting in terms of a source of concern. >> again, this is the same city that intelligence officials say if we told it to you right now it would get people killed, but somehow we're simultaneously supposed to believe that president trump sharing this information, the city and more
with a u.s. adversary russia is, quote, wholly appropriate as mcmaster said repeatedly today. that's also a term he seemed to define in terms of if a president does it in the name of national security, it is by definition appropriate. now last night after the story came out the trump administration originally pushed back against the notion that president trump had divulged sources and methods of intelligence-gathering which neither "the washington post" or cnn had reported. what we all reported is what the government was saying back in march when we showed the restraint with publication, the same restraint that the president did not show with russian officials, that he shared information, that then as now could lead to u.s. adversary say, i don't know, russia, using counterintelligence to try to figure out how the u.s. knows what it knows, and just so you know. as of today, before this broadcast, we are still being told by the trump administration
to not report the name of the city, and we won't. the white house is in damage control mode once again, and jim acosta is at the white house for us. jim acosta, i have to say once again it seems as though the president is undercutting members of his own white house team who are providing what they hope are explanations for things he has done. >> reporter: that's right, jake. the president did that last week when it came to the firing of fbi director jim comey. he is doing it this week when it comes to this information he shared with the russians and as for that information we should pass on that u.s. sources are telling us other at cnn that the source of that information that the president provided to the russians was the -- was the government of israel, at least some of that information came from israeli sources, and all of that is unfolding as the white house is still refusing to say that the president even shared classified information with the russians as the stonewalling
here at the white house continues. >> did you reveal classified information to the russians are, sir. >> reporter: for president trump the question of the day is not about his meeting with the president of turkey, it's about the meeting the presidnt had last week with top russian officials in the oval office where he shared classified information that came from a key u.s. ally, israel, on threats posed by isis terrorists. >> mr. president, did you share classified intelligence with the russians. >> reporter: time and again in front of the cameras the president would not answer the question opting instead to offer a general assessment of his russian encounter. >> we had a very, very successful meeting with the foreign minister of russia. our fight is against isis. we're going to have a lot of great success over the next coming years >> reporter: president defended his information-sharing on twitter. as president i wanted to share with russia in an openly scheduled white house meeting, which i have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety, humanitarian reasons, plus i want russia to greatly step up their fight against isis
and terrorism. >> it's wholly appropriate for the president to share whatever information he thinks is necessary to advance the security of the american people. >> reporter: national security advisers h.r. mcmaster also declined to answer whether the president disclosed classified information. mcmaster says the president didn't know where the information came from, a jaw-dropping moment for reporters in the briefing room. >> i should make maybe the statement here that the president wasn't even aware, you know, of where this information came from. he wasn't briefed on the source or method of the information either, so i'm sorry this has to be the last question because we do have are the president of turkey coming i think momentarily. thank you very much. >> reporter: for mcmaster it was another careful explanation of the president's actions after he cautiously danced around whether trump shared classified information. >> at no time were intelligence sources or methods discussed. >> reporter: the president is now coming under criticism for something he accused hillary clinton of during the campaign. >> we can't have someone in the
oval office who doesn't understand the meaning of the word confidential or classified. >> reporter: leaders from both parties appear to be showing signs of exhaustion from a white house in non-stop chaos. >> i think it would be helpful to have less drama emanating from the white house. >> the truth as it were sits atop shifting sands in this administration. >> reporter: and it does appear that the information that the president provided to the russians did concern some members of this administration. which ear told that one key member of the administration, the homeland security adviser, counterterrorism adviser, was one of the officials who raised concerns over here, jake, and i'm told that cia director mike pompeo expected to talk to the senate house intelligence committee later on this evening, he is expected to field questions about the president's meeting with the russians and what he shared with the russians last week. jake. >> japan acosta at the white house, thank you so much.
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welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. the latest revelation from the white house that president trump shared classified information with russian foreign minister sergei lavrov and ambassador kislyak is raising questions, to say the least, on capitol hill. >> my point is that lavrov never should have been in the oval office to start with. he's -- russians use precision weapons to kill innocent women and children in hospitals in aleppo. i cannot imagine why he would ever be allowed in the oval office. >> members of congress want to know much more about what president trump told lavrov and kislyak. joining me now is senator joe manchin, democrat from west
virginia. >> good to be with you. >> has the administration briefed committee members on what president trump did disclose to the russianss? >> it hasn't been done, jake. we would like for it to be done, if there's a tape, any of that transcript, we want to see it. >> you're calling for the tape or transcript to be shared with the intelligence committee. what do you know about the nature of the information beyond what cnn and "the washington post" and others have reported? >> well, basically what they have been reporting is things that has been talked about. i don't know the verification they have and their sources. the only thing i can say, jake, it is there's 19 senators out of 100 that are privileged to that type of information, whatever it may be, at that high classified level. that means 81 senators i can't talk to. when i come out of these meetings, i can't talk to them. they ask me direct questions and i can't answer. if i do, i'm going to get thrown off the committee or even worse. with that being said, i'm very much concerned about people and our allies and our intelligence
community might be put at risk. >> as i said at the top of the show, when cnn was about to report and break the story of the laptop bomb threat in march, the trump administration really pushed back and made sure that we did not provide certain key details about the threat, including the name of the city where some of this intelligence came from, but we know, the white house has confirmed that president trump shared the name of the city. explain for our viewers, if you will, why that name going to the russians is so problematic for so many people. >> jake, that's just something i'm not going to delve into. i'm just not going to do that. >> fair enough. you have called the -- the news that came out last night deeply troubling. explain why you feel that way. >> deeply troubling. we have the most intricate professional intelligence-gathering community in the world. the united states of america.
and we have allies, jake, around the world that depend ounce as well as we depend on them. there's been a trust factor there for many, many years in place that's kept our country safe, even with the things that have happened. we have been kept with the biggest target on our back in the western world fairly safe. is that all going to be for not now if they don't think they can share this information or won't do the job because they think it makes them vulnerable. that's why it's so troubling to me that people in relationships and people's lives could be in jeopardy. >> and we know now that the intelligence, at least some of it, it was shared with the united states from israel. do you worry about how this might affect the strategic relationship between this close ally, the united states has and the middle east, and the united states? >> jake, with all due respect i'm not going to confirm or deny or any of that, speaking about that. i really am not. >> i hear you. i understand. >> no one really should.
>> all right. national security adviser mcmaster said today that the president did not know that the information was classified when he shared it. in fact, he said, quote, he wasn't even aware of where the information came from. you deal with classified information frequently. our viewers have seen how careful and cautious you are. how could the president not be aware? >> can't answer, that jake. whoever basketweaved hriefed hi. he knew what he was talking about in generalities. they should have been briefed on that, and i can assure you anything with sensitive information has top secret classified information on it, classified, top secret. that mean it doesn't leave that position, that position or that area, and it stays right there. you either see what you see and you keep it to yourself. i can't explain this at all. i really can't. i wish we had an explanation, but i can't. >> can the president be trusted with classified information, sir? >> well, i would just -- i'm hoping -- i'm really hoping, jake, that someone is able to sit down with the president and
get him to the level of all the people in the world, not just 330 million americans, that depend on us to get it and get it right and to protect them also and to be able to make decisions based on intelligence, information that we received, that nobody else has f.that is not basically what the allies can trust us with, it's going to make it very difficult. he's our president. i want to work with this president. i've tried to work with the present adminisration, and i will continue to do so, but i would caution him, caution him to -- to be extremely careful. russia is not our ally. russia is not our friend. russia does not wish the american -- the united states of america or the american people well, that we know. we have trusted allies who have fought with us in every war. they have been willing to fight and die for us for the same causes we believe in. we know who our friends are and we know who we can trust. we've relied on their
information exchanges back and forth for many, many years, and the same with us to them. with that, you ought to stick with your friends. >> senator joe manchin, democrat of west virginia, thank you so much. >> thank you, sir. >> what does russia have to say about the classified information president trump shared with the russian foreign minister and russian ambassador/spy in the oval office? we'll go to moscow next. it's time for some straight talk. if you love your phone but hate your bill. do something about it! no, not that. straight talk wireless let's you keep your phone, number and 4g lte network for a lot less, with the bring your own phone activation kit. it's time to ask yourself... why haven't i switched?
welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. the world lead now. a guarded response from the kremlin after reports that president trump shared highly classified information with russian officials in an oval office meeting last week. on a conference call with journalists today, a russian -- a spokesman for russian president vladimir putin interrupted a question on the topic to quickly dismiss the reports as, quote, utter nonsense. matthew chance at cnn's moscow bureau joins us.
matthew, the kremlin is coming off, shall we say, as irritated over this latest controversy in washington. >> reporter: irritated, jake, if not absolutely angry. dmitry peskov who is putin's spokesman who we spoke earlier on the conference call, didn't even want to let us finish the question before he interrupted saying this is nonsense, and i haven't got any comment on this. we absolutely do not want any relationship to this nonsense and then he refused to answer any further questions even subsequently so a cat goshal response from the kremlin. on the foreign ministry spokes spoke with us as well, was scathing and called the allegations part of an information campaign to create evidence of trump connections with russia, and she also recommended that people don't read american newspapers because she said that they are dangerous, are but, of course, jake, all these comments, frustration, underlaying just how concerned the kremlin is because they really believe or
they real -- >> matthew -- >> reporter: it could be a real relationship that could brew with the white house. >> matthew chance, thank you so much. so what does sharing intelligence of this nature with russia mean for the source of the actual information and america's ability to rely on other nation's foreign intelligence in the future? stick around. is this thing on?sting! huh? come on! your turn! where do pencils go on vacation? pennsylvania! (laughter) crunchy wheat frosted sweet! kellogg's frosted mini-wheats. feed your inner kid
which didn't get me to my goal. some breaking news now live to capitol hill where the ranking republican and the democrat on the senate intelligence committees are talking. >> is your confidence shaken at all? >> not until we have a conversation with individuals that were in the meeting so we know what was said. >> let's give us a chance. this happened -- was reported yesterday. there's been quite a flurry. we oat white house a chance to present the information and with the truth. we also want to see if there are, again, these supposed transcripts that we get a copy of. >> you've got to understand that inherently mark and i are concerned any time we hear or read an intelligence story in the media. we believe that things that are that sensitive should not be part of the news cycle. >> do you think that there is a
national security risk then when u.s. officials or people who are in these meetings keep leaking out -- >> i think's a national security risk that anything about the intelligence community is reported publicly and leaks are a definite concern that we have of this administration. >> the white house insists the president's actions were wholly appropriate. do you take their explanation at face value? >> i would prefer to have a conversation with an individual that was in the room about what actually was said and then we can legitimately comment about whether we have concerns about what was said. >> have you had trouble in getting in touch with the white house today? >> we've had a very busy day but we hope to talk to them before we sgleef what have th we leave. >> what have they said about your "for transcript? >> we don't know if there are transcripts. just hoping that there are
notes. >> that's chairman burr and ranking member mark warner about what trump told russian officials that may have been highly classified. it's been confirmed to cnn that israel was the source of some of the classified intelligence that president trump shared with russians last week, this comes as intelligence experts are warning of major if not deadly repercussions including the loss of american lives and key intelligence sources. let's bring in our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. there's concern that this could cause damage to u.s. efforts to counter isis. >> reporter: very serious. when you want to share intelligence with the russians, the u.s. intelligence community has very specific procedures and policies about how to go about doing it but it looks like the president made an ad hoc decision by himself. cnn has learned that israel provided some of the classified
information on terrorism and aviation security that president trump shared with russian officials in the oval office. sharing that israeli intelligence caused dismay across capitol hill, the intelligence community and in some world capitals. one european diplomat telling cnn it's a big deal, and we want to make sure sensitive information is handled properly. the problem. the very sensitive intelligence came from another country which had not given its permission to share it with the russians, according to "the washington post" which broke the story. >> the russians could figure out exactly what that source was, and they could then take that information that they get from this revelation and they could then spoof the source. >> reporter: russian ambassador sergey kislyak, a top russian spy, was in the room. in the world of russian espionage he who know how to use what the president told him. >> if it's a human source, that
human source could be fed all kinds of information that may not be true, or it will be true enough but there will be a detail that will endanger operatives. it would endanger potential operations against isis. >> reporter: the russians could also feed fake information into vital communications intercepts, so yetly changing the overall picture for the u.s. of terror-plotting. it's not clear if president trump knew the sensitivity of sharing another country's intelligence. >> the president wasn't even aware, you know, of where this information came from. he wasn't briefed on the source or method of the information either. >> reporter: some members of congress doesn't believe it's a major breach, but there may be long-term damage. >> the rest of the world is now going to say, hey, we're never going to share information with any intelligence community members of the united states because they are going to give it to the president, and he's going to share it with our potential adversaries into if you take the administration's
position that it's all objection the question mcmaster got today is why did his own aides find it necessary to call the intelligence community after the meeting with the russians? mr. mcmaster suggesting it was possibly out of an abundance of caution. jake. >> barbara starr at the pentagon. joining us it is lisa monaco, the former homeland security and counterterrorism advisers to president obama. lisa, thanks for joining us. appreciate it. >> glad to be with you. >> i know you want to stay out of the politics of this and just talk about the facts. based on your experience, might this revelation stop israel and other allies from providing the u.s. with intelligence? >> well, look, i don't know what information was shared, and i don't know the origin of that information and which partner was the one to provide it to us, but i think we've got to be very concerned about what an episode like this does with respect to the relationships that we've built up over many, many years. let's step back a minute, jake.
since 9/11 over the course of the bush administration, the obama administration and through work from the cia, fbi, across our national security community, tremendous relationships have been built up with what we call lei san partners. that's the cia equivalent, the fbi equivalent in other countries. and the information from those partners has been the source of vital intelligence. in fact, intelligence that i know for a fact has stopped plots, so those relationships, they are built on trust. the current i of those relationships is trust. if that account, that trust account is depleted because of episodes like this, my colleagues in the national security community are going to be very worried that that information won't be forthcoming risk to national security. s a - >> in march 2015 when were you still in the white house isis claimed that it had found an israeli spy in their midst and they executed their individual.
is there anything about that that you can tell us. >> nothing that i can share, no. >> is there a risk that if information is made public that comes from a possible spy that isis will hunt for the mole? >> sure. what we know is that terrorist groups, al qaeda, isis and others, have absolutely undertaken what we call mole hunts, searches for spies in their midst when they see information appear in the public realm and when they see that there's information that we're witting of, that we understand about their plotting activities, and then they go and they hunt down the spies in their midst, and that both cost lives and, again, imperils very sensitive access to national security information that's vital to protect the homeland. >> so cnn's evan perez back in march broke the story of the laptop bomb threat and was then and continues today cautioned by the trump administration not to report the name of the city where the intelligence on the laptops came from.
how would that information be okay to share with the russians but not with the american people through the media? >> the concern i imagine would be, jake, that particularly in a place like syria where the united states does not have a presence, has not had a presence for some time, the access to information there through our partners, through sources on the ground is very fragile. the intelligence community considers it very fragile and very fleeing the so anything that jeopardizes, provides a detail about the source of information and could expose one of those axises that's a real danger and imperils the source that have information. >> whether or not it's in a media report to the public or sharing it with the u.s. adversary like russia? >> well, that's exactly right. i mean, certainly i spent a lot of time when i was in the white house being upset when i saw information about plotting appear in the newspaper, but when you're talking about sharing information, sensitive
information with an adversary, a very aggressive adversary in the intelligence realm, you're going to be worried that they can take that piece of information, add it to a number of other pieces of information that they have hat their disposal and put a picture together that may not be in our interest for them to have. let's remember, russia is not our friend. our interests are not aligned in syria and in many other parts of the world. it is true that vladimir putin has said many times he wants to go after isis in syria. we've seen precious little of that. what we have seen is russia's interest in propping up its client bashar al assad. >> take a listen to what national security advisers mcmaster said about president trump's knowledge about the information that he shared. take a listen. >> he shares information in a way that's wholly appropriate, and i should just make maybe the statement here that the president wasn't even aware, you know, of where this information came from. he wasn't briefed on the source
or method of the information either. >> he said the president was sharing this information on an ad hoc basis. is there usually a process for a president sharing intelligence with the russians or even with a closer ally like the uk? >> in my experience and over the time i spent in the white house, jake, in preparation for any meeting with a foreign -- a foreign leader or a representative of a foreign country, whether it's been the president or myself or the national security advisers, there was a rigorous process that went into developing a strategy for that meeting, what should be the main points that are made certainly by the president. it would be preceded by a briefing, by experts, career professionals in the national security staff to let the president know here are some potential pitfalls, some areas to be concerned about, things that may come up, some things you may want to raise, some
things you may want to be aware of, not going too far in certain areas and the preparation, importantly, jake, for those meetings and certainly for any meetings by the president with a russian official is going to be vetted by the experts in the national security council staff, from the intelligence community and there's going to be careful thought and vetting what gets said in that meeting. >> or at least that's how it used to be done. lisa monaco. thanks so much. appreciate it. >> tonight a cnn exclusive. anderson cooper talks to former acting attorney general sally yates in her first television interview since president trump fired her. you can see it only on "a c360" only at 6:00 p.m. eastern tonight. they just conducted their most successful missile test yet. is north korea also putting together a secret army on another front? that information next. got it.
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you have a piece in "the atlantic" talking about how russians are always trying to use the common terrorist threat as a way of cozying up to the united states, but it's almost always done in a self-serving way. >> absolutely. that's especially the case after 2014 when russia invaded ukraine and annexed crimea. beforehand there was cooperation. the russians, for example, warned the u.s. about the tsarnaev brothers, the ones who blew up the boston marathon in 2013 and after 2014 when russia found itself isolated and under international sanctions they have been trying to use syria and terrorism as an excuse to kind of worm their way back into western kind of geopolitical circles, and it's usually -- you know, they are doing their own thing and it's often raising the alarm -- sounding alarm bells of organizations like amnesty international, human rights watch. they don't need our help. what they are trying to say to the west is you need our help. >> right. >> so you need -- for that you need to bring us out of
isolation. you need to lift sanctions and bring us back into the fold. it's not about counterterrorism. >> susan, we just heard lisa monaco saying that the russians have been trying this before. you know, we'll join you in the fight against isis and at the end of the day they don't try to fight against isis. they end up killing other moderate groups and propping up bashar al assad in syria because that's really what they have. >> they have a very friendly voice or friendly ire guess when it comes to president trump who is making the same arguments that he's less concerned about human rights. he's less concerned about spreading democracy and more concerned about the fight against isis and more interested in kind of taransactional relationship and we would look the other way on things that involve their interests. >> so weird watching this all play out. people on twitter, and it's not tough to predict anymore. president trump, somebody reports something, shocking that president trump has done. president trump's staff comes up with a story, whether it's the rosenstein memo or no, this
"washington post" story is not true and squander all this capital and president trump sends a tweet basically confessing to what everybody reported on him doing in the first place. >> right. this is who he is. we've been watching him for 18 months, two years, and -- and in this particular instance, look, i think we're in the middle of assessing that this is somewhere in between oh, my gosh, treason and maybe not such a huge deal and we're trying to figure out where we are. the whole of this presidency is going to be that. some things about mcmaster's testimony reassuring, look, the cover wasn't blown and relationships weren't compromised but some of trump's story and some of what happened in the aftermath of this meeting seems to contradict that, like going and seeming to do some damage control. it's within the rights of the president to disclose things, but there is a process for doing that, and president trump is not a man who is careful with words or parsing what he can say and cannot say and what is wise to say and what he shouldn't say
and that's going to come out in exactly these meet >> what's so odd about this. evan perez broke the story of the laptop computr threat back in march and trump administration officials then and today are continuing to tell evan and cnn don't report these specific details, including the name of the city where this intel came from. don't report it because it could cost people's lives and it will damage national security. this is the same information that mcmaster and others admitted today trump shared with the russians. >> and this is not a sustainable story line for any president that last week he fires the fbi director who is investigating his campaign. this week he engages in behavior that raises questions about how deeply he understands the classified information, international relations, the place of the united states in the global system. this is -- this may not be treason, but it is definitely a big deal, and it comes on the heels of another big deal last week, and you cannot week after week have a president who is
careening from crisis to crisis. we see the cost already when it comes to his support among republicans on capitol hill. you see republicans going a little further with each one of these to distance themselves from trump or to criticize the president and tell them to cut it out. >> is it insanable because here's my question. do you think republicans are actually -- is there a howard baker among this group or is it, well, i want to hear more from the white house or i'm a little concerned? >> how long did it take from the watergate break-in to nixon's resignation? >> i was like 3 at the time. i can't tell you. >> i was not yet born. >> but i hear people are saying it was about two years and i think that this is in some ways, unfortunately, this echos what people were saying throughout the campaign. -ins not sustainable. his campaign can't careen from crisis to crisis, alienating republicans, republicans on the hill, mainstream reapians, but his support is still like 80% among republicans, among the base, and -- and in some ways that eshow representative democracy works. the leaders -- the republican
leaders on the hill can't just, you know, sniffle at this and toss it turned the bus. >> that's why the distinction between something like treason and a big deal is a real big deal because if you are like the president and his critics are careening as well, people do not view you as a reliable narrator. >> you're talking about crickets on the left. >> if eureka reasoning constantly as the president does and that's not a good look for you and you're not trustworthy and how it translates in the public square. >> you cannia reason from crisis to crisis-ins a campaign and come across as the disrupter, something a lot of american voters were interested in, but when you're the president. united states, there's real consequences to decisions you make. >> something i worry about. >> there are economic consequences that will affect course of the economy and geopolitical consequences that will affect our ability to work with other nations on things that really matter. the reality of the job and the reality of the consequences of
the stuff the president takes are going to matter and they are going to matter more and more. we're only in what, day 115. we've got 1,000 more days to go. >> but i just want to say though the problem with this and after the 2016 campaign is what is reality? if you watch fox news which, you know, a huge portion of the country does last week talking about the russia investigation, they weren't talking about the russia investigation, they were talking about the russia conspiracy. >> it was a conspiracy theory. >> right. they have already delivered the verdict to a huge number of americans, a huge number of very active american voters that this is not an investigation but just a witch-hunt and a conspiracy. >> but other side has delivered a conclusion as well and that's the problem. you've got these two poles and the truth probably is somewhere in the middle and if you want to make a case responsibly against president trump you have to recognize that body in there and convince people of it. >> but the word conspiracy is not a responsible word as
opposed to investigation. >> no is collusion that isn't proven. >> what i'm saying is much like in russia, unfortunately, the american public is increasingly coming to inhabit two parallel informational planes, parallel planes do not intersect and they live in two parallel informational realities. how do you bridge that gap? how do you make sure that people have the same set of facts? that's very hard to do. >> we're trying to do that by being the channel that you're not referring to here at cnn. i want to play a little bite from mitch mcconnell who asked about what happened and this was his response. >> i think we can do with a little less drama from the white house on a lot of things so that we can focus on our agenda. >> this is a big problem that republicans voice all the time is they want -- the reason that they are biting their tongues, the paul ryans and mitch mcconnells of the world, is so that a republican agenda can pass, tax reform, et cetera, health care, and they are lose
the ability to do that. >> yeah. i mean, none of this president's moves are highly strategic, and i think it's possible, really believable, that someone inside the white house is a close ally says he needs a broadside on this to understand that this is really the gravity of these situations, and that is a real problem and something i worried about the campaign. >> the calls are coming from inside the house to a quote he knows you're alone. thanks for being here. be sure to tune in tonight for a special event. cnn's dana bash and i will be hosting an event between ohio governor john kasich and vermont senator bernie sanders. just days after north korea conducted its most successful ballistic missile test yet, the kim jong-un regime may have launched secret offenses in cyber space. the world's top cyber security
experts say north korea may be behind the ransomware that infected hundreds of thousands of computers worldwide. why is it being said that north korea could be behind the massive cyber attack? >> reporter: these really are the top lines in the world. if you look on the screen you see code from wannacry, the malware in this latest attack and also code from the lazarus group which was tied to the sony pictures hack in 2014 which the u.s. has blamed on north korea and actually charged north korea for that attack. you look at the two boxes, and you can see sections of code that are exactly the shame. that's what the researchers are looking at. it's not definitive. early days, could be a false flag by the hacking group to make it look like north korea but this is what they are thinking and there are similarities by other hacking attacks by north korea. a major attack. 300,000 machines affected in 150 different countries. critical infrastructure, hospitals shut down as a result of this so real lives at stake and they can do this attack
again if they don't figure out who is responsible and try to block them. >> will, if north korea was indeed behind the attack and it's not conclusive yet and if they, what kind of new threat does that north korea pose to the world. this is just another front in which they are gaining ammunition. >> obviously the united states, china, russia, all have cyber armies but we know north korea is growing their considerably. just have under 7,000 cyber hacker soldiers according to south korea and what these people are tasked to do is hack into government systems and steal cyber weapons. for example, the u.s. has for years reportedly tried to sabotage north korean missile launch eds by conducting cyber attacks. if north korea steals those cyber weapons and use them against the u.s., the president of microsoft compared it to someone stealing your tomahawk missiles and using them against them and the bangladesh bank heist, the financial losses were close to $100 million. that was also blamed on north korea back in 2016. >> will, i understand the u.n. is holding an emergency meeting
on north korea right now, but whether it's the cyber attack or the expanding missile program, is there anything that can real be done to stop north korea at this point unless china really exerts itself? >> that's what the u.n. ambassador nikki haley said moments ago, that she goes against the allegations from russia that somehow the united states is intimidating north korea, saying north korea is doing intimidating with the cyber activity and the missile launch over weekend, believed to be north korea's most successful launch ever, went so high it was essentially almost in outer space before crashing 60 miles from russia's pacific fleet, and we know that north korea is developing more of these missiles. they have told me on the ground there repeatedly when i have visited pyongyang they will continue to develop these weapons. >> turning to our money lead, automaker ford could soon make deep cuts in its staff following months of sliding stock prices and stalling u.s. sales. "the wall street journal" is
reporting a new round of job cuts could affect 10% of its workforce which is 20,000 jobs worldwide. reports and "the detroit news" say the staff reduction plan would affect sal read workers who do not have union protection, mostly in north america and asia meaning the plan may not affect 57,000 hourly employees in the u.s. who work on assembly lines, the kinds of jobs that president trump has pledged to help create. ford is staying mum so far about these reports, refusing to either confirm or deny them, but there have been signs job cuts could be coming. last september ford announced to reduce costs by $4 billion on heels of sharply lower first quarter earnings. why is it so problematic for officials to reveal that israel was the source of some of the intelligence that president trump shared with the russians? a member of the senate intelligence and foreign relations committee will weigh in next. stay with us.
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happening now. breaking news. major breach. president trump says he has the absolute right to share intelligence with russia, but while the security breach is causing an extraordinary uproar in washington, did the president put lives at risk, whabd will the impact be on the source of that intelligence israel? wholly appropriate. the white house national security adviser says the information-sharing with russia was completely appropriate, so why did another top security official feel compelled to notify u.s. intelligence about what the president had done? the laptop threat. at the heart of the president's intelligence-sharing, growing concern over an isis plan to bring down airliners with explosives hidden in laptops. is the ban on carry-on laptops about to be