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>> thank you. >> thank you for joining us. that's it for me. thanks for watching. i'll be back at 5:00 p.m. eastern in the situation room. in the meantime, the news continues right now right here on cnn. top of the hour. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. we're watch iing two major stors for you breaking a at this moment. the first president trump's fired national security adviser says he will plead the fifth and is refusing to cooperate with the senate intelligence committee over questions about the campaign's ties to russia. more on that in a moment and what this means for the investigation. but first, moments ago, president trump and israeli restroom benjamin netanyahu faced reporters at this joint appearance during the president's first overseas visit as chander in chief.
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>> i also look forward to working closely with you to advance peace in our region. because you have noted so us is sintly that common dangers are turning former enemies into arter ins. that's where we see something new and potentially something very promising. it won't be simple. but for the first time in many years, mr. president trump for the first time in my lifetime, i see a real hope for change. >> i'm encouraged that they pledged cooperation to confront terrorism and the hateful ideology that it drives it so hard. america welcomes the action and support of any nation willing to do the hard but vital work in e
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eradicating the violent ideologies that have caused so much needless bloodshed and killing here and all over the world. >> this visit in jerusalem between the two leaders focused on president trump's foreign policies as historic visit. here it is to the western wall. this is the first sitting president to do so. he's getting a break about the russian investigation and scandal hanging over the white house. but earlier today ab unprompted president trump denied when he revealed to russian operatives.
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>> no wub ever reported that specifically to be clear these accusations never suggested that president trump told. top russian officials that it came from israel. instead it's so specific that its origin was clear. tz you were talking just watching the visit between the two world leaders. you called it the art of the deal in the holy land. >> you hear the president talk about the negotiation he answers into and it just sounded like when you heard the president wrap up remarks where the israeli prime minister he talked about this being one of the toughest deals of the th them all. it's interesting to note that language. that's a dialing back of what you heard from the president earlier this year.
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what he said maybe it won't be so difficult after all to achieve middle east peace. as he's getting into this part of the world where it's a lot more complicated than it appears on the surface, it's beginning to understand this may not be as simple as a real estate deal that he might cut for opening a a golf course or hotel. having said all that it, i think what you're seeing from the israeli prime minister and something we saw in it ryad24 hours ago is a different reception from these two governments for this new president. they had big disagreements over the iran nuclear deal. you're not seeing as much of that on display here with the president and prime minister benjamin netanyahu. the president has time and again, he did it in saudi arabia to make common cause and he's doing it here in israel to do it with common cause to say this iran nuclear deal is something
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that is damaging to the region's security. it is interesting to see the president attempt in terms of achieving middle east peace getting the ball moving in that direction. the enemy is my friend here. so it does sound like the art of the deal. as we both know, these are a lot more difficult. he's not going to have the same reception or conversation with the palestinian president when that happens tomorrow. it's going to be a different conversation. getting back to the news you were showing earlier today, it just goes to show you when the president was talking about that intelligence issue with the russians, it goes to show they could carefully stage craft these trips as much as possible and put up the pomp and circumstances you want. when the cameras go on and a question is asked, he can make news expected and unexpected. and my suspicion is people cringed when they heard the
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president describe things in that fashion. >> the unscripted moments that the world is watching for. especially in this part of the world. >> author of "bending history" and columnist for "usa today." gentlemen, great to see both of you. david, beginning with you just coming off jim acosta and talking about this visit with the prime minister there and a tweet from another guest on the show, his tweet in working with benjamin netanyahu for decades, never, and i mean never have seen him so relaxed in the presence of a u.s. president. what do you think that is? >> he knows he has a president in his pocketbook saying all the
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things he would want any american president to say. particularly three days after a memorable, historic election in iran where liberals have come to the floor and suddenly we have this american president completely ignoring 57% of the iranian people who say they want change, they want to become part of the international community again. they don't want to be known as the har venger of terror. trump is got 20 years in the past and goes exactly against what the trend that the iran b people are really moving towards. which is to say something that should be very receptive and received so well by an american president. >> he's ignored that by iran. listening back and forth and the president said i never mentioned the word israel in that it meeting. we should be clear we listen to
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the current nsa saying the president wasn't even aware of the source of that intel when he divulged it to the russian ambassador. but still despite what i read about a former guys out of israel saying it was horrifying he did that, benjamin netanyahu has said nothing. >> first of all, a quick comment in regard to david. i don't think it's is quite so concerning to say that president trump is ignoring 5% of iranians. he is respecting the joint comprehensive plan of action. he doesn't like it. he has said it's a bad deal, but he's sticking with it. it's the basic key to the whole change of the relationship. the 57% of the iranians may not be happy with the hard line elements in their own security forces that are behind a lot of the problems in the u.s./iran relationship. it's not as if it's a single
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model. he may or may not disagree. i'm with president obama on the iran deal. at least trump is complying with it so far. on the issue of this intelligence, you wonder why president trump wouldn't just stay out of it. he's overseas and having a pretty good weekend and early week so far. it seems to me he should welcome the opportunity to stay out of some of this washington fish bowl stuff which he keeps plunging himself back into. so the point he made may or may not have been technically right. if i were in his shoes, i would try to build on this benjamin netanyahu/trump relationship to see if we can talk about strategic realities in the middle east instead of what happened last week in washington. >> michael, let me stay with you. show the pictures of the president of the united states visiting the western wall. this is the first sitting u.s. president. barack obama did it as a senator ask others. as a u.s. president, it's ab important picture to show the
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world and a symbolic moment. do you give the president credit for taking the time to do this and what are your bigger overarching questions. >> i mean, i didn't like his positions about israel and the pal still yans last year, but i have to say he's modified a number of them. his overall approach so far in terms of the atmospherics is not bad. his administration is against settlements or against uncontrol ed israeli settlements. he's shown much less haste to relocate the u.s. embassy to jerusalem. he's also symbolically showing respect for the various religions including judism. i have no big problems with how he's handled himself on this trip. it's been okay. it's been solid. it's not spectacular. it doesn't unlock the peace process or make any of the obstacles to that easier to overcome, but it's the right way to handle the first 24 hours in israel. >> i think michael hit on it.
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it's what he said in public. can he deliver on the deal. he's meeting with the leader of palestine. can he deliver on that? >> i would go back 50 years on relations between israel and palestine. it's not any easier. it doesn't get any easier. there's no doubt about that. i would like to come back briefly to the iranian deal. remember that trump actually did not -- when he came into office, he said i'm going to rip up this deal completely. and one of the reasons is the israelis have let it quietly be known and people that told me this that they are not prepared at this point to go to war over this. they know this is something they can't win. they cannot get rid of the deal and neutralize iran's nuclear options, if you will.
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so there's something to some play in that. it's not necessarily very clear cut that he's embraced this deal. he's also been told let's leave it in for a moment. >> thank you very much. michael, thank you as well. we have more on that. but more breaking news. the president fired national security adviser says he will plead the 5th. in this investigation into potential ties between trump's campaign and russia, what general michael flynn's refusal to cooperate means for his fate and fate of the investigations. plus the fired fbi director will testify, but what can james comey reveal publically and will he respond to the president's personal attacks. you're watching cnn's special live coverage, i'm brooke baldwin.
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security adviser michael flynn will plead the fifth and will e refuse to hand over any records. it is quite a turn around tr two months ago when general flynn's attorney revealed his client wanted to cut a deal for immunity. remember that attorney statement sent out in march. let me read you a piece of that. it read as follows. general flynn certainly has a story to tell. and he very much wants to tell it, should the circumstances permit. no reasonable person who has the benefit of advice from counsel would submit to questioning in such a highly politicized witch hunt environment without assurances against unfair prosecution. so let's go to cnn crime and justice producer for the e detail there is. what more are you learning? >> we're told that flynn though he may have a story to tell, right now because there are all these investigations that are ongoing, the fbi investigation,
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certainly the fbi is deep into their investigation as we reported a few weeks ago. records have been subpoenaed. a grand jury subpoena has been issued with regard to business records relating to flynn. so it's not abnormal for flynn to base this on public and so he can open himself to even more potential charges. the other issue is the subpoena for documents, it's not clear that flynn is going to have any kind of protection against that. you justen don't get protection from subpoenas. if if you are subpoenaed, if it your documents are subpoenaed, you're supposed to turn them over so it's uncertain what legal source the senate intelligence committee is going to have with that. it's certainly something they are going to continue to seek. >> i'm glad you brought that up. we'll bring up the difference here with my experts.
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let me bring in michael cellen, former federal prosecutor who used to be a former fbi director. but the russian investigation who once served as assistant special prosecutor in the water gate investigation. good to have both of you. let me just turn to you first. your first read on hearing he's going to plead the fifth. what's that mean? what does that tell you? >> it tell mess that he's got something to hide. he's obviously has a reason to assert the fifth amendment privilege. what he's saying is any truthful answer i would give could be used against me. so he's refusing to answer on that basis. >> because he wanted immunity. that was rejected. >> right. with respect to the documents,
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that's a different story. >> because there is no fifth amendment privilege over business records. the only kind of documents on which you could assert a fifth amendment privilege would be personal diaries, statements that you wrote down about what you were doing during the day and your impressions, but certainly business records, supreme court has made it very clear the fifth amendment does not cover those. >> it's important you bring that up. they are not going to give him immunity. he has no choice there. so faced with that, he has to take the fifth because he doesn't want to put himself in jeopardy given that mueller is waiting in the wings to look at him for a criminal investigation. flynn has a lot of issues that are out there. he's got failure to disclose on his financial statements. he has the failure to notify the defense intelligence agency. he has lobbying on behalf of turkey. e and potentially russian conclusion. so he has a lot of stuff in the
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play here. his counsel is a very capable attorney. the question will be will congress turn around and try to immunize him or somehow force him to testify. that would be a terrible mistake. >> let's go to comey. as he's supposed to testify. a source says comey believes that president trump was trying to influence his judgment had in the russia investigation. comey is supposed to testify next week before the senate intelligence committee. what can comey say and what as a a private citizen what should he not? >> you can't just take them away from being a private citizen. that's the problem. if i were bob mueller, i would not be too crazy about having
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comey lay out everything on testimony before i had had an opportunity to really speak to him. and get down everything that he's supposed to say. he's going to be a key witness in this case whether it's against trump or others. so he's really made himself a witness. when you're a a witness and you're a prosecutor, you want to make sure you have control over that witness. so in a sense, if he comes out and lays everything out before any of the senate committees, he's really putting in stone what he's going to say before bob mueller has a chance. it's going to be all there locked into stone. that's not a position a prosecutor want thes to be in. on the other hand, if you had to take anybody to be a witness who would lay it all out, i would probably trust jim comey more than most witnesses. so there's a balance there. >> michael and i were talking on friday when "the new york times" news. droed about the president referring to comey as a nut job,
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my question to you, would jim comey be looking to clear his name and settle the score in testifying? >> maybe. i agree with nick. this is a very difficult situation for bob mueller to be in. i would expect it's going to be communication between mueller and comey and i wouldn't be surprised if mueller pleads with comey to please not testify because it does not help mueller in any way, shape or form to have that testimony. that said, if comey is adamant on testifying, he has z a private citizen. he can't talk about anything that's classified. he can't talk about the nature of the investigation that's ongoing. he can talk in high level matters about like why is it he memorializing his notes when he has interviews with people that make him nervous. what's standard practice when it comes to this or that type of behavior. but i don't think he should be talking about the my knew a sha for the basis for the
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committee's work and russian interference and bob mueller's work with respect to the possibility of obstruction of justice. he has to steer clear of the facts of those and stay high level if possible. >> this is all supposed to be next week in front of senate intel. thank you both very much. pleading the fifth. does that imply guilt. here what candidate donald trump said about pleading the fifth not too long ago. also secretary of state rex tillerson holds a press broefing. but guess what, american press not invited. the state department's explanation of that, next. umbrellas!!
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more on our breaking news today. sources are telling cnn fired national security adviser michael flynn plans to plead the fifth and will not testify before the senate intelligence committee about what he may know about russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election. so let's discuss with cnn military and diplomatic analyst admiral john kirby. he served as a a spokesperson for both the state and defense departments during the obama administration. and cnn politics reporter ed tor at large. let me begin with a little sound from mr. trump during the campaign trail. roll it. >> people taking the fifth amendment. four people plus the guy illegally did the server.
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>> that was september. is this another case of the president's past tweets or remarks on the trail? >> it is. he says and does many things that he then says and does the exact opposite and has little price to be paid. but when you say things like that, i think donald trump is channel iling what the bulk of e public thinks about when someone pleads the fifth. obviously, local reasons to do so of what most peel are pleading the fifth. for donald trump, no direct issue here with flynn. though what flynn knew when e he knew it, what donald trump knew about michael flynn, remember this is one of the first guys donald trump hired. this is one of his closest al allies. this is a guy on november 10th that president obama warned trump against. now he's pleading the fifth. after a number of issues prior.
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so i think the biggest issue for trump in the near term is the judgment. why was michael flynn hired to be in the first place? given what everyone told him, why was he hired and kept on 18 days after the acting attorney general said we think he's compromised by the russians. >> with the president the day after he fired comey and the foreign minister. you see the president and israel saying at the end of the press conference with benjamin netanyahu i never mentioned the word israel in the meeting in reference to when he disclosed that it classified information with the russians. my question is this. isn't the question not what he's accused of. the question is why did he disclose classified information
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to russians in the first place. >> exactly right. but that is a question. why would you unveil some sensitive information that aonh sensitive that they ask you not to share. it puts an extra burden on you not to do it. the tweet not the point. >> while we're on this trip, let me just stay with you in calling out the secretary of state. as a spokesperson. you understand when you go on these major trips and the freedom of the press ask you invite to be part of a news conference. rex tillerson holds this news conference in saudi arabia with no american reporters. how is that okay? >> so there's a couple things in terms of context here. i'll be be the first to admit. i don't believe that secretary tillerson fully understands ask appreciates the value of traveling with the american media.
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in particular the state department press core, which is absolutely wonderful and smart and is adegreesive and do all the right things. i don't think he fully appreciates that. that said in their defense, he's traveling on air force one not on his own plane. the only american press are the white house press corps. this press conference with foreign minister happened pretty fast. they weren't able to get the american media in place. and they realize d at the momen that that was a problem trying to get the transcript to him as quickly as possible. in this case, there were some circumstances beyond the state department's control they have tried to make up for. but i don't know they fully appreciate the value of traveling with the state department press core and all that entails. >> 20 seconds on that. >> admiral kirby is right. i don't dispute any of the specifics. it's not the same thing in terms
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of your responsibility to the press and to the public. >> thank you. chris, thank you. it's always a pleasure. thank you both. coming up from death threats to racial slurs, one salesman shares the very troubling responses he received after calling for president trump to be impeached. that congressman joins me live in what he's planning to do about it. also ahead, commencement protest. we'll talk to one notre dame graduate who helped organize this walk out when the vice president of the united states was there and speaking. this person is upset that mike pence was chosen as the speaker. also the vice president's message to them coming up.
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that was a clear message sent straight to the vice president by a group of graduates in walking out we don't want you here. 100 students walked out when the vice president started to deliver the commencement address over the weekend. other students booed those protesters. this as the vice president spent a good portion talking about free speech on campus and this isn't the first time this has happened within the trump administration. remember this just two weeks ago when the education secretary betsy devos spoke at commence ment drown out by a lot of boos
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back in may. these walkouts are fueling the debates whether students across the koun b try are exercising their right to protest or suppressing the right to free speech. so first congratings on graduating. but really just to both of you, why did you feel the need to walk out? >> sure, thank you so much. for us, we need to walk out because we want ed to stand her to protect human dignity and we wanted to be with those that are most vul national of us and also to seek justice for them. we essentially have classmates, family members and friends who were either with us sitting down there or also have been
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specifically targeted by mike pence either as a governor or vice president. it's something that it's hard. we're talking about classmates from the lgbt community. >> forgive me. i don't know, but i'm having a tough time hearing you perfectly, but that said, i want to continue this conversation and can you tell me why did yo want to get up and walk out? >> yeah, so personally i have many loved ones, family and friends and who aren't documented. so i was walking out with them
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in mind. these people who are attending the graduation they should have the right to feel welcome and feel safe on our campus. so we worked so hard to establiaccomplish as a family. that's kind of what i had in mind as efs walking out. >> i know that you all have said that you welcome opposing voices on campus. but this wasn't the event that you welcomed the vice president with open arms. would you have walked out if someone more liberal like joe biden were speaking? >> that's a good question. to be honest, there's diversity of opinions in our group. we can't really tell you a specific answer. however, we can tell you that -- >> just someone more liberal. forget joe biden. just someone more liberal. would you have sat there and
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listened? >> if the purpose is to bring up a politician to talk about whatever it is, if the members of the community feel unwelcome, sure. even if they are liberal. >> so whey think is the walkout was sm in response to members of our own community felt unwelcome, uncomfortable and even unsafe with mike pence. i really plooef if that's the case for i would be walking out. at their own graduation. so our purpose is this is not appropriate event for this kind of political discipline. that this should have been for all other family members could have gone well for them. so is political discourse should
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be happening in other contacts across campus. >> i understand. and i heard you a moment ago saying, yes, you would have walked out on more liberal figure just depending on the moment or whoever that was. but college campuses, this is my last question. college campuses are criticizing for being too liberal, for not considering the other side. is that a fair stereotype? >> in my experience, being part of the generation and being a reason is it's hard to have those conversations and we agree it's an important thing and shouldn't be shutting out. despite the fact you disagree with his views not welcoming the
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vice president of the united states. final thought. >> it would not be appropriate. we have plenty of on campus where others with liberal views are invited to speak in an academic context by different departments. this is not the appropriate context. >> want to hear both sides. you handled it fine. i appreciate it. congratulations once again. both of you for speaking and explaining why you walked out. coming up next, when a conspiracy theory unravels, even one fuelled by the former speaker of the house and at the center of it a grieving family, a murdered dnc staff member. we'll separate fact from
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conspiracy theories, the murder of a former employee justen won't go away. the latest person wto ep keep te debunked theory alive is newt gingrich. he went on cable news suggesting a cover up. >> you have this very strange story now of this young man who worked for the democratic national committee who was s assassinated at 4:00 in the morning givie ining wikileaks e-mails. nobody is investigating that.
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and what does that tell you about what was going on? because it turns out it wasn't the russians. this was this young guy that was disgusted by the corruption of the democratic national committee. he's been killed and apparently nothing serious has been done to investigate his murders. >> back up a couple steps. it was last summer when seth rich was shot and killed in washington, d.c. investigator says it appeared to be a botched robbery but conservative blogs began reporting he was killed over alleged links to wikileaks. the family debunked the idea but the rumors won't go away. oliver is with me. cnn's senior media reporter who has been covering this in the last week or so, welcome to the cnn family. explain how these theories have been debunked. >> last week a private detective went on a local fox affiliate and made claims he had evidence saying that seth rich the d dnc
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staff er had had leaked documens to them. it's very confusing, but the short story is e we contacted him and e he admitted he had no such evidence. the local fox affiliate put an editor's note saying he's retracted the statements. the problem is by the time that happened, it's run wild. and it's taken on a life of its own. >> there's no evidence suggesting that this dnc staffer had been in contact with wikilea wikileaks. there's zero evidence. what newt gingrich is saying is not true. maybe he has been misled. he didn't respond to our comments this morning. but it's very bizarre. >> what about this man's family? what are they saying? >> the spokesperson for the
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family has been very forceful in saying he's demanded a e traction, which picked up a local story. i must have asked half a dozen times and it's nothing. they are not responding to us. >> thank you so much for all of that. more on our breaking news coming up. michael flynn will plead the fifth and refuse to cooperate with the senate intelligence committee over the russia sbe investigation. we'll get into that, next. he's happy. your family's finally eating vegetables thanks to our birds eye voila skillet meals. and they only take 15 minutes to make. ahh! birds eye voila so veggie good
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this is a secret forest. just an hour outside of seattle. the only way to get the directions is if you're truffle hunting. they will take you on a a culinary adventure. >> to be here for a weekend we go out all the time. we have a variety of different teams and guides that go out to places around seattle. everything we find will be home with you and you get to cook or teach you what to do with it. >> that's right. black truffles, yes, here and in abundance. >> is this one of the only areas in the united states that you can find truffles? >> pacific northwest, so d.c., washington, oregon tends to be good for these kinds of truffles. the stuff is flavorful, smells
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like pineapples and chocolate and green apples. >> you find one? >> what do you see? >> hold on, i'm coming. wow, yeah. >> we found one. right there. >> there's two. oh, my gosh. lock at it. on a good day, she can find 40 truffles at $45 an ounce. that's $500 worth of black truffles. so what do you do with all of them? >> take them to restaurants and they will be like i found these today. the chef will be really receptive. we would love to. to the news. top of the hour. i'm brooke baldwin. two major breaking stories at this moment. the first president trump's fired national security adviser michael flynn says he will plead the fifth and is refusing to cooperate with the senate intelligence committee over all the questions about the trump campaign ties with russia and his involvement.mu