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eastern, 8:00 pacific only here on cnn. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett "out front" starts right now. >> breaking news. next "out front" attorney general jeff sessions admitting critical information when applying for top security clearance. russians trying to use paul manafort to influence donald trump. and we have pictures of the powerful bomb that killed 22 people in the concert in britain. let's got "out front." good evening, i'm erin burnett. "out front" tonight, the breaking news, a crucial security clearance emission. jeff sessions did not disclose meetings he had with russian officials when he applied for top secret security clearance.
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this is the form sessions filled out. on page 76, which i hold here in my handled, it required sessions to list "any contact with a foreign government or its representatives over the past seven years." it includes specific mention of embassy and consulates. sessions met at least twice with the russian ambassador last year alone. on this form he didn't list either meeting. this as the new york times reports the russians tried to use paul manafort to influence president trump. we are covering these breaking stories from all details and we begin with phil mattingly on capitol hill. want to begin with manu raj u on the breaking news about attorney general sessions. what are you learning? >> erin, justice department officials say attorney general
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jeff sessions did not disclose meetings he had last year when he applied for the security clearance. just another example. remember earlier this year he came under criticism after it was revealed he didn't disclose meetings with ambassador kislyak. he didn't note those interactions on this form, which does require him to list, quote, any contact he or his family had with a foreign government or its representatives over the last seven years. his initial failure to disclose these meetings led to sessions recusing himself on all matters related to the russian investigation. he says he does not recall discussing campaign matters with
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kislyak which is why he said he didn't disclose it. >> looking at the questionare it says complete the following if you or any member of your immediate family in the past seven years have had any contacts with a foreign government, it's establishment such as an embassy, it says did you have a contact. how could he not have disclosed those meetings? >> my colleague was told that initially sessions did list a year's worst of meetings with foreign officials on the security clearance form. then he and his staff were told by an fbi employee. the fbi would not comment but we got a comment from a legal expert, mark zaid who assists in filling out these forms including with some senators. he said that "senators would still have to reveal the
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appropriate foreign government contacts, assuming they were not at a foreign conference," which, erin, these meetings were not at a foreign conference. >> they were not. initially when he listed meetings do we know if the russian ambassador was among those listed or not? >> reporter: we don't, erin. and we know that there's been other issues here with other trump associates, including trump's son-in-law with his own security clearance form. remember, he -- he committed his own security forms of -- michael flynn also being investigated for not disclosing payments f m frofrom russians on his own form. he could be questioned.
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this testimony something that actually senate minority leader chuck schumer called for last month. >> look, i -- there are lots of questions about jeff sessions. that's why i called for him to resign. i'd be happy if they brought him before the committee and had him testify. >> reporter: the big question lawmakers have is over jeff sessions role in firing of fbi director james comey. it was brought up with deputy general rod rosenstein. rosenstein i'm told was asked about this but declined to discuss sessions' role. it's something that bob mul oar may look into as well. erin? >> thank you very much. i want to get to the other breaking story. russia tried to influence paul manafort according to a new report in the new york times in the fast hour. russia tried to do the same to
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michael flynn. phil mattingly is on capitol hill. phil, what are you learning? >> reporter: this showed that intelligence officials were aware of intercepts of russian officials talking about how they could influence top trump advisors in order to get more access to the president himself. this first became public yesterday when john brennan, the former cia director testified that evidence made clear there were potential attacks here. adam schiff, i asked if he had seen the intelligence and if he could confirm what john brennan said. take a listen. >> yes, it is the case. have been able to review it and i think the director quite appropriately provided that information to the fbi and i think the fbi investigation was initiated for good and sound reasons and i think it continues
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for good and sound reasons, but yes, the agency has been very cooperative in the request for information and documents. >> reporter: his perspective about what that contained. was the way he summarized it concern the way he summarized it? >> certainly. i think his testimony was accurate and based on what he was privy to it was perfectly appropriate for him to provide that information to the fbi for analysis and further investigation. >> reporter: this becomes increasingly clear that for michael flynn, the issues in congress are not going away anytime soon. two new subpoenas trying to gather documents from him has been served. adam shichl telling me that the house intelligence committee will be issuing subpoenas soon as well. the effort ramping up after the special counsel bob mueller was name.
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>> thanks very much. out front now, david berg en, juliette kai yam and jason mifrl. i want to talk about this breaking news about paul manfort and michael flynn. first jeff sessions. complete the following. if you or any member of your immediate family in the past seven years have had any contact with a foreign government, it's establishment such as an embassy or its representatives inside or outside the u.s. is there any question in your mind that multiple meetings with the ambassador would be included? >> not in my mind. those are pretty rigorous reviews. i do think this is significant in and of itself. if those were one-on-one meetings in particular as his capacity as an advisor to the trump campaign, which it appears
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that they are, that's different than to say i was on a senate committee, which you can imagine there is an exception what i would like to know and it would be good to figure out is if other senators or congressmen or women who became members of the trump administration, what they disclosed. if they disclosed meetings that they had and sessions did not, it undermines sessions argument that everyone was doing this, nobody was saying anything. i think this is one of those other things that this data point with other data points matter. once again, sessions becomes a focus in terms of this investigation and in terms of his influence during the campaign. >> and let's just be clear, david, because sessions did make this same claim, right, in the confirmation hearings for his position as attorney general. he excluded this information and here's how he answered the
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question to senatorial franken. >> if there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the trump campaign communicated with the russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do? >> senator franken, i'm not aware of any of those activities. i have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and i did not have communications with the russians. >> david, of course, the reality as we know, is that he was a surrogate for the campaign. he was saying the campaign didn't come up. advisor for the trump campaign, meetings with the russians, not disclosed there and not disclosed on this form. does it add up to anything to you? >> sure. heads-up to the fact he wasn't truthful. he didn't fully disclose. in his defense i must tell you i haven't filled out some of the those forms for a long, long time. but they're exhaustive.
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you need legal help frequently. just remember when you read that question out it was on page 76. >> yes. >> that means there were at least 75 other pages in this disclosure. i think juliette is at the right point which is this particular question is a serious question. it jumps outs on the form saying were talking to a foreign government and it does not exclude you, does not give you a pass if you're a senator or a house member of the house of representatives. every citizen fills out the form has to disclose in a information. i'm baffled why he didn't list it, especially sings he said it was innocent. it adds to the sense of these guys weren't playing straight. >> jason, if -- how do you get around that, that it adds to the sense that they weren't playing straight.
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he had these meetings while he was advisor to the trump campaign. >> it would be remiss that this is an example of a leaked document put out there. this would most certainly result in jail time. >> that's a fair point. that's a fair point. >> even as we talked in a moment about the new york times story, they go out of their way to point out that whoever leaked the information could be prosecuted under law. getting back to senator sessions for a moment. this was a form filled out in 2016 in anticipation of coming in to the administration, and i think the important point here is the fact that senator sessions had dozens of interactions with folks who -- whether they be ambassadors or different emissaries from foreign countries and the fbi employee he was working with said a number of those didn't need to be listed, so he followed that counsel. clearly they should have been listed on there. look, if this was a real problem
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or a real issue they would brought it to him right away. >> don't you think if it involves the russians and he knew that was a big issue at the time wouldn't you just say i'm going to put that on there, to never have this problem. if there's nothing to see there, then put the "there" out there. does that make sense to you? >> the senator followed the guidelines put out in front of him and the recommendation from the fbi employee who told him and i think at a certain point there's a relevance factor, an importance factor about what was discussed. i have to go back to i believe it was juliette who made the comment that a lot of this was while he was a surrogate for the campaign. if he meets with someone in his senate office, he's not acting a surrogate. he's acting as a u.s. senator. i think the way that this came
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out today tells you everything that you need to know. it was a deliberate effort of state leakers. >> juliette? >> let me ask this -- can i ask one question, and that is do you think these forms ought to be filled out truthfully? >> is that for me? >> yes do you think the forms should be filled out truthfully? >> absolutely. i think it's smart to get counsel, legal counsel or someone to work with you in the fbi to make sure you're fully filling it out. if now attorney general sessions was given advice to not list some of these -- again we weren't in the meetings and don't know what was discussed, although we know the former senator and the attorney general says the campaign was not discussed -- but he was adviced not to list those and he involved advice. >> juliette, do you buy that or
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do you buy that look, it involved russia, russia is a special interest. put it on there. >> you would think. it wasn't like russia was a big surprise nor their attempted influence on our elections. with the other stories today, on the new york times -- >> this is the paul manfort. >> paul manfort -- we picked up russian intelligence that they were trying to focus their efforts on changing policies. what needs to be chloroand -- is there are a series of things that russia did, right, that we know. the wikileaks, the fake news, trying to get manfort, the meetings, all that stuff. there's a group of things that the trump campaign and his surrogates and maybe trump did. promoting wikileaks, hiding the meetings, bringing the ambassador through the back door, not discussing financial
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dealings. those two things are different pieces of evidence. what this investigation is doing is figuring out if there are linkages of all of this. it's just -- >> jason, are you surprised to learn that paul manfort and general flynn as we've reported and now the new york times is reporting were actively being sought after by the russians to influence donald trump? >> again, lisa be clear with what the story says. it's from highly classified information that was ilare legally leaked out it says there was a group of russians who thought they could be a target on them. it doesn't even say in the story that there was even any action to go and try to do anything with them or to try to go after them. i almost have to stick up for him in a sense that it's saying
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that some folks essentially conspired with them to use them as pawns, but they never actually anything happened there. it doesn't say anything of the story -- >> but listen -- >> this goetz broader narrative of what we're seeing in the media right now where it's become for too many in the media and too many in this administrative state for people in washington, this has now become a beyond thunderdome death match where only one of two things can happen. either president trump can lose or the administrative folks and the members of the media can win. this is a specific effort to attack president trump. i think most people reading the story get that. >> or is this an effort to get at the truth so people can decide for themselves. >> the deputy attorney general,
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an appointeedecided that you needed a special counsel to get to the bottom of this. he doesn't think this is a great war. what he's trying to figure out is are there individuals who have crossed the line and what were the russians up to and did they collude with -- did they persuade, did they manipulate people? it seems to me we don't know where this is going to end up. but what if h there are two or three people singled out in the end, manfort may have been one of those. there are a lot of different outcomes which will not be a victory for the president state, quote. but i think we have to wait and see. look, if somebody fails to fill out a form properly, that -- his violation of the rules of
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getting a security clearance and the public deserves to have some knowledge of what's going on behind the scenes. that's what we have in most investigations in the past. it's not just administrative state playing for prurchl. >> how do you explain -- >> after -- >> maybe the people involved haven't been forthright. >> well, do you think they did a service? >> look, these are -- >> i think that -- >> after an illegal b leak trying to tear down president trump. >> but i think the -- >> hey. >> yeah. >> you didn't -- when it was attacking scene of the accident books secretary clinton because that was terrible but now it's quote unquote telling the truth or getting at president trump, now it's ok. >> juliette? >> i think we can have that debate about the facts and where the evidence is going. a better way to look at the
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leaks -- >> there's no evidence. there's no evidence. >> excuse me. excuse me. that what this also is about is concern about potential obstruction of justice at this stage. we know that that is what is likely part of the investigation. we have a lot of sort of bodies on the side at this stage now including comey and yates. so part of this -- so long as the white house continues to try to undermine or stop an investigation, whether it's the senate and house leadership or the administrative state leadership, you would anticipate these leaks. you can't just throw out leaks are all bad or all good. >> thank you very much. i appreciate it. i want to go to will hurd, former cia officer. a lot to talk about. congressman i want to start with this form that we now know jeff sessions did not include information about his meetings with russians.
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when -- you filled out this page, reegt? i would assume. you were a krail agent. >> yes. >> does it surprise you to hear that he did not list any contact he had had with the russian ambassad ambassador. >> i think the intense scrutiny he knew he was going to go under, oversharing is probably better than undersharing. a lot of these forms you talk about close and continuing contact, that those are the kinds of people that you report on the form, because you don't report -- let's say you have a favorite restaurant and you go there every night and the person that is your favorite server is somebody from spain. that person is not going to go on this form. >> right. >> in this instance, so we have to remember that. we also have to remember that 23 million of these forms were stolen by the chinese a year and a half ago and everybody was
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outraged. whether it's 23 million of those forms being revealed or one, we should have -- we should discourage this kind of sharing of information of leaking. >> yes. and i want to ask you -- >> leaks are bad. >> on page 59 they ask you about close and continuing for yourself. this is professional activity, so on this page, page 76, i want to be clear, it actually doesn't ask if it's closed or continuing. it's just have you had any contact. so this is getting to the point of oversharing, i guess. we know he had more than one meeting with the russian ambassador that would certainly fit this description. >> again, knowing the focus and the scrutiny that you can receive, oversharing is probably a good strategy and especially now this in line with the revelations earlier where he had to go back to the senate to talk about his mischaracterization of some of the contents.
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this fits a broader narrative that many want to drive but i think that this is an issue that ultimately rocket mueller would be looking into to -- do a broad review of the russians in our elections. >> development news tonight. we now know that paul manfort, the russians were hoping use him to influence donald trump. also tried to recruit general pliefl flynn. as you know, general flynn is refusing another request of yours and your committee to provide documents. at this point do you think he is covering something up. he has refused request after request after request. he's pled the fifth amendment. he's giving you guys nothing. >> i can't speak to his motivation on why he makes this decision to plead the fifth. i think when a former fbi director mueller comes knocking,
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there will be a conversation about the extent of his contact and what happened when and where. also, just to mention, the russians saying they're looking to go after somebody, it's just that. the russians showing their intention. that does not reveal whether or not -- >> the person acquiesced. >> acquiesced or whether they were successful. so in that case we have to give people the benefit of the doubt but this is why it's important to have someone like bob mueller doing a thorough and meticulous investigation and looking down all these different rabbit holes. >> jason miller raised this point and you just mentioned the issue of leaks. if we didn't have these leaks we wouldn't know a lot of these things an these are pretty important things about some of the most important people running the most important inaugurations in the world.
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officials agreed to discuss the intelligence only on the condition of anonymity. that acknowledgement. today israel, the defense minister said they had to make a change, a pointed correction in their agent dealing with isis after the president shared highly classified information with the russians which of course leaked to the washington post. and today the united kingdom very updated with the united states over leaked information over the manchester bombing. do you think the people involved in these leaks should go to jail? >> providing classified information outside your ability to provide it should be prosecuted. the leaking of classified information is a threat to our national security and people should be punished to the full effect. i think this is something that everybody agrees. and i would push back a little bit on an earlier assumption
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that this information would not have come to light had it not been for these leakers, knowing that there is a criminal investigation ongoing. there's two oversight hearings ongoing and our goal is to, when all this is said and done, be able to make public as much of the information as possible so the american people can understand this. >> do you think there would even be a special prosecutor fundamental this information hadn't been leaking out and causing the consternation that it has? >> it's a good question. i don't think we'll ever know. we have a special prosecutor, two oversight investigations and i think it shows that the house investigation is on track and we're doing this in a bipartisan and thorough manner. at the end of the day we have to make sure that the american people are confident in whatever turns out. and that's why we have to be thoughtful. we have to be patient.
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and we have to follow the truth, wherever it may take us. >> congressman hurd, good to have you. i appreciate your time. >> thank you, erin. "out front" next, the bomb that killed 22 people in manchester. you can see there the detonator found in the hand of the terrorist. more breaking news, did a possibly fake russian document actually make jim comey come out and talk about the hillary clinton investigation? congressman debbie wasserman schultz is my guest. i joined the army in july of '98. i did active duty 11 years. and two in the reserves. our 18 year old was in an accident. when i call usaa it was that voice asking me, "is your daughter ok?" that's where i felt relief. it actually helped to know that somebody else cared and wanted make sure that i was okay. that was really great. we're the rivera family, and we will be with usaa for life.
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. breaking news. new images tonight of the bomb that tore through a crowd outsideoutside the sbransz to an a ariana grande concert. these pictures, from what you look at appear to show the recommend mantsz of the backpack used to carry the bomb. all you can see left are shreds of fabric with the name of it. in the next image we'll show you a possible detonator actually hand in the severed hand of the terrorist which suggests it could have been a more sophisticated well, which has
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officials fearing when it comes to building these bombs there are people who have expertise and that person cook on the run. clarissa ward is "out front" with the details. >> reporter: p tonight investigators say think do not believe the 22-year-old british bomber salman abedi, who gloou blew himself up monday killing 22 acted alone. >> i think it's very clear that this is a network that we are investigating. >> hours ago abadi's brother was detained by an official in libya which indicates he was about to launch his own terror attack. he and his now dead brother were members of isis, he said. u.s. military sources tell cnn salman abedi, the manchester bomber had been in libya for
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weeks before the attack. he was known to both u.s. and british intelligence officials. they're trying to piece together where he received terror training abrought. they want to know who he was in contact with in england. tonight police continue to raid buildings across manchester. they say they have made arrests in connection with the bombing in a frantic race to find anyone who may have helped abedi build the bottmb or plan his attack. the prime minister has raised the terror threat to its highest level, critical, for the first time in a decade. police have increased security at buckingham palace and st. paul's cathedral among others and armed officers continue to patrol manchester.
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with regards to the images that were published by the new york times, erin, manchester city police said they would make no comment but british counterterrorism police said that this is damaging to the relationship, to the intelligence sharing relationship. they didn't specify the u.s. but they said it underminus the trust and potentially the investigation to have sensitive information like this, photographs of a crime scene being leaked to the media. erin, this is not the first time we've heard british officials complaining about u.s. leaks from a officials to the media. erin? >> thank you very much, clarissa. the leak issue is deeply significant. i want to go to phil mudd. i want to start with the images the new york times obtained. you see this one appears to be a
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detonator. the new york times said it appears to contain a small circuit board. it was found in what they believe to be the hand of the terrorist. they also found a battery that they say is one more powerful than one often seen in whatever backpack bombs that these teams have seen in backpack bombs or suicide vests. when you put this all together do you think this is the work of a sophisticated bomb maker? j from the new york times analyst, there seems to be some cities can indication in these devices. always difficult to make a determination based on a few pictures. one thing we know about salman abedi, who was basically flurnging out of university, didn't have any background in chemistry or anything suggests that it would be obvious that he would be the type of person that could put something like this
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together. i'll not impossible. he could have got some training in libya or somewhere else. given that there appears to be some degree of sophistication in this device, that may suggest that there could be another bomb maker or, rather, a bomb maker still alive who could pose a threat. the british counterterrorism officials are telling me they haven't made final determination over who made the device. >> we have images of some of the nuts and screws used as shah rap signal. according to the times they were able to show these penetrating metal doors, deep scuffs in concrete balls. what does this tell you about the planning or sophistication of this bomb? >> i'm with paul. it's not clear that that would be a sophisticated device. i would not have that question. i'd have two other questions.
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whoever built this bomb is in the business. my experience is once they start down this path they're not going to stop. the second point is there is a ton of intelligence on that sidewalk. where those items were manufactured and especially whether there are serial numbers on those items, you're going to go to the manufacturer and say where are these sold, germany, the uk. a on the of intelligence along with fingerprints and the residue from the device which you might find in the apartment. >> phil, if there is someone else building bombs, how likely is it that he strikes soon. we know with the suspected paris bomb maker it was five months later with the brussels attacks. how concerned are you now that
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there are more of these being built and imminent attacks being planned. >> i'm going to guarantee you that they have either built them or will build them. if it's in the uk, that individual's watching the news tonight along with these photographs saying they're on to us, we better move quickly. the british are excellent at these kinds of investigation but they'll have to move quickly. if the person is overseas in libya, it may be years before we find the bomb maker. >> we are learning tonight the names of a few more of the victims killed in the manchester attack. michelle kiss was a mother of three. also a daughter, a sister, relatives say family was her
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life. martin het, a friend wrote he left this world exactly how he lived, the center of attention. nell jones, one of her teachers saying she was a popular girl. she was 14. jane tuttle was a school worker and the mother of three children. co-workers called her bubbly, kind and generous. three children without a parent tonight. their daughters are safe and now of course with no mother and no father. olivia campbell, 15 years old was reported missing by her mother who now confirms that her daughter died in the blast. next, the breaking news. a possibly fake and secret russian document that may have influenced the fbi director's decision about hillary clinton. the woman at the center of this
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wasserman schultz. the document sites and e-mail that she reportedly wrote. said the justice would not look deeply enough on her private e-mail server. that would be the justice department admitting we're not looking there because we just don't want to see it. congresswoman shult shult is with us. let me cut straight to the chase. this memo said you wrote this aem. did you write any such aem? >> not only did i not write any e-mail more have i spoken to anyone at the fbi about this. i don't even know the people that are supposedly both the ones that the e-mail was sent to by me nor do i know any of the people that were referenced in the aem. i have no relationship with any
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of them nor do they have one with me. it's -- the entire -- this entire thing, revelation is disturbing. i also -- it wouldn't be responsible of me to speculate about whether or not the fbi or director comey made any decisions based on this false memo an nonexistent e-mail but all i know is they never spoke to me about it. >> let me be clear. if they had this and the washington post is saying they did and it may have influenced the fbi director to come out and say not even let loretta lynch go ahead with it. you're saying they never called you, they never have asked you, not then, not now, nobody's ever reached out to you about this? >> that's right. the only conversation i had was with the washington post. i never saw the e-mail and
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didn't author it. i have not seen the memo as i've said. i don't know the individuals that were referenced in the memo and they do not know me. >> let me be clear so people understand. the e-mail that the document sites refers to an exchange between you and a man named leonard bernardo. >> supposedly. >> a foundation founded by george sorros. you've never heard of this guy? >> i've never heard of this person. don't know him. absolutely have no relationship with someone by that name. wouldn't know him if i fell over him. >> when jim comey came out and said he wasn't going ahead with charges against hillary clinton, allowing loretta lynch to make that decision, he said in part, although we did not find evidence, there's evidence they were extremely carolinas in their handling of sensitive
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highly classified information. there is evidence that secretary clinton or any reasonable person should have known it was no place for such conversation. we all know he wasn't going to charge her but he slammed her in these comments. do you think that if this document didn't exist anything would be different right now? >> it would be completely and utterly irresponsible of me to speculate on whether this so-called memo, which would be a false document, manufactured, because it's not addressing anything that's valid or factual. it would be irresponsible of me to speculate why director comey made decisions and what he made those decisions on related to the dismissal or his belief that the case against secretary clinton should not be pursued. what is clear is that the
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russians were doing everything they could in a wide variety of ways to influence the outcome of the presidential election and this is yet another example of why we need an independent commission to dive deeply and exam independently how the russians tried to influence the outcome of our election and with whom they cooperated in order to accomplish that goal. >> i want to ask you about the other news, coming out with the current plan to replace obama care. millions of americans will have no insurance. this is one million better than the last estimate. it would reduce federal deficits about $120 billion. what do you think this means? >> i think the senate's made clear they are going to ignore what came out of the house and
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start from cache. many senators on both sides of the aisle have said that they weren't going to look at a bill that had no hearings, that had not come out with a cbo score, which it does now that we voted on it. now that we can see the devastating impact of this legislation, no wonder the republicans didn't want a score on it before we voted on it. annual and lifetime caps can be restored so that people can be medically bankrupt if they have illnesses. people between 54 and 64 years old would see their costs skyrocket. >> congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> sean spicer, a devout catholic was not invited to the president's meeting with the pope. a lot of other people were
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sean spicer. who was invited by president donald trump to come to today's meeting with pope francis. the white house told cnn, wow, that's all he wanted of spicer. the vatican limits the number of people who can visit the pope at one time. and the president had plenty of people that list. the communications advisor, the president's former bodyguard and his social media advisor all were on that list, but not his press secretary. mark preston is our senior political analyst out front. mark, you got to the parish as sean spicer, he's not just a katri catholic, but a devout practicing catholic. but it seems like he was excluded. >> sean spicer very well thought
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of within the church. and he doesn't necessarily talk about it but someone who absolutely follows it and is observing -- his inability to actually be in that audience with the pope is really hurting him. but it just says more about donald trump and his lack of loyalty that he surrounds himself with than it does in his pettiness not inviting sean spicer not being in that group that met with the pope today. >> a source close to the white house said it should be very much seen as a slight. we obviously know jared and ivanka went. this does beg the question of why the president would be so petty? >> right and it could be him setting a message that we have heard rumors that sean spicer is going to be removed from giving the daily briefing and will move
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to another position within the white house. you know what's interesting about this is that the reporter that sean spicer has been sparring with over the last three months came out very simple simple threatically called out trump for not inviting spicer. for something like this to happen to sean spicer is an indictment of donald trump and, again, his lack of loyalty. if donald trump plans to remove spicer from his current role, you certainly don't do it this way where you try to publicly humiliate him, and i think that's what's happening here. >> this obviously mattered to him on a human level, it's clear what should have been done. and melania trump making headlines. we'll be back.
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first lady melania trump has been getting a lot of headlines during trump's first foreign trip. today they were for her dress, she wore black and a veil for her audience with the pope. >> reporter: this week marks the first overseas trip as commander in chief for trump, one can't overlook, it's also the first for melania trump. touching down in belgium, the first stop in a nine city tour. the pope said that she's feeding her husband too many slovic treats. she was wearing formal black clothes and head veil, which is protocol for women who have an
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audience with the pope. melania met with state department officials to make sure she wouldn't make any cultural slipups. while visiting a children's hospital in rome, she greeted them in italian, hugging the kids, making drawings and evening posing for a few self s selfies. the trip has been melania's moment to shine, even in the midst of a moment that got everyone talking, the hand swat heard around the world, that quickly went viral. even pete souza was quick to troll, taking a picture of the first couple clearly holding hands. but it's melania's own nonverbal clues that have giveni a clue wo she is. melania was taking steps on her
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own. she tweeted she was impressed with the great strides being made towards the empowerment of women in that country, even with the attached image featuring women dressed in the traditional very conservative attire worn by women of the region. she took a moment to herself, when the couple later stopped at the holy western wall. and melania even picked up some advice from the netanyahu son on how to help barron adjust to life in the white house in the public eye. >> i have been his age in my dad's first term. >> look how it turns out. >> reporter: now we should have more outings and events from melania trump, we'll hear from her in sicily, she's supposed to give remarks to military service
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members and their families. >> we got to see that she speaks so many languages. thank you for joining us, don't forget you can watch "out front" any time anywhere on cnn go. good evening, thank you for joining us for joining us on a very busy night, there's a new nonpartisan party line on the new obama care replacement bill. it could leave millions more without care than with obamacare. there's tonight's dead line for the fbi to turn over fired director comey's memos. now investigators and special counsel now have to get to the truth. we begin with two pieces of the trump russia picture. also what cnn has just learned about what attorney general jeff sessions did not reveal about his contact with russians during his security vetting.

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