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page pate, one of our legal analysts, is on the phone with me now. page, the news is that the ban is still in force. >> yes. >> page, i don't have a great signal. let's try that again. you're live on cnn. can you hear me? >> i can hear you, yes. >> all right. you are crystal clear, sir. explain to me what's just happened with the fourth circuit. >> well, i have not seen the opinion yet and i'm very interested to review it but it appears that the court was very concerned about all of the additional statements that the president and his team made about this ban before they actually signed the executive order. so this attempt to revise it, make it more constitutional apparently has not worked, at least according to this court. >> that's right. so let's go back. when we covered the revised travel ban, i think you bring up an excellent point, this is when they decided to use the language
from candidate trump, from sean spicer in a briefing room, from now attorney general jeff sessions using their language to further their argument that the ban would be illegal. yes? >> absolutely. yes. and i think when they revised this ban, they tried to take all of that into account and i think wisely took out any specific references to religious preferences. and i thought that that made this ban more likely to be upheld ultimately on appeal because it wasn't as unconstitutional as the first travel ban. apparently they have been willing to look beyond the four corners of the order itself and look to the true intent of trump and his administration and see that intent as unconstitutional and religious discrimination. >> page, stay with me. let me bring in jessica schneider, one of our correspondents breaking this story. this is the fourth circuit that
has ruled to uphold the block on the president's revised travel ban. jessica? >> brooke, this opinion is just coming in. it's lengthy. it's 200 pages. but, yes, the gist is that the court is upholding the decision to continue blocking this travel ban nationwide. of course, this was the be second executive order that president trump tried to put in place back in march. here's the key passage. a lengthy opinion, about 200 pages. here's what you need to know. the fourth circuit writes, "congress denied power to aliens but it's not unchecked when the president wields it that stands to cause irreparable harm to citizens across the nation." therefore, they say they uphold the preliminary injunction against that travel ban. as we've talked about, brooke,
the district court really focused on president trump's campaign statements, his campaign statements on his website as well as the statements of the people who worked for him, whether it was attorney general jeff sessions or some of his campaign aides. that was really the crux of this. we're going through the opinion to see how much they relied on those campaign statements but the important thing to note here is that this, the halts of this travel ban is still upheld. it will not go into effect. it's also important to note that the ninth circuit is also considering this. we haven't seen the opinion from them yet. it's possible that if they rule differently, it will make it all the more likely that this case will go to the supreme court. it's sort of headed in that direction anyway. but, yes, the travel ban is still not in effect. things remain essentially status quo. >> okay. jessica schneider, thank you so much. page, you're still on the phone with me and you say you haven't read the opinion. you heard jessica say it's some 200 pages but she quoted the bit
about irreparable harm stood out to me. what now? >> that's the heart of the opinion. that was the ultimate issue. as we were discussing before, it's obvious that the court was very concerned about the intent of trump and his associates, both during the campaign and once the executive order was signed. now, most people consider this court to be significantly more conservative than the ninth circuit. so i would be surprised if they found this reasoning that we get a very different result in the ninth circuit and while this opinion won't be binding, they are certain to at least address it and can rely on it for persuasive value. what happens now is, if the administration wants to appeal this decision, they have the option of seeking reconsidering from this panel or taking it up to the full fourth circuit court of appeals for consideration. if they still are unsuccessful, at that point they can appeal it to the united states supreme
court. >> got it. if you're just joining us here, the fourth circuit has just upheld the block on the revised travel ban that came out of the white house back in march banning people from iran, somalia, sudan, syria and yemen for entering the united states for 90 days and all refugees for 120 days. so jessica schneider said it perfectly, this is status quo, nothing has changed on that point. the ban is still being blocked. laura jarrett is another voice covering justice for us here at cnn. what more are you hearing? >> reporter: brooke, it's interesting to know the opinion is massive. it's over 200 pages. it's got multiple dissents here by some republican nominated judges and it's also got some concurrent other judges so clearly everyone wanted to have
their say here. we are still waiting to see if they come out any differently but the chief judge noted in the opening paragraph, congress granted the president broad authority to deny entry to aliens but that power is not absolute. he goes on to write, it cannot go unchecked when as here the president wields it that stands to cause irreparable harm to individuals across the nation. so clearly the judges are also moved by the president's own statement. you'll see later on in the opinion that they go through a litany, including things that the president said on cnn, like islam hates us and the statement on his campaign website until i think the day that this case was argued before the fourth circuit. so a number of different voices here. we've got a number of different opinions that we are still sifting through. as jessica pointed out, the gist is that the travel ban remains on hold. >> laura, thank you so much.
just bringing more voices into the conversation here as we get breaking news from the fourth circuit. steve vladic is now joining me, one of the cnn legal experts. steve, are you surprised at all by this, essentially the status quo, that the block is continued? and secondly, when should we hear from the ninth circuit? >> i guess i'm surprised that we've heard this much this quickly. it's only been 17 days since the case was argued before the fourth circuit. it's a lot of opinions. 205 pages in total. i think the order is not surprising but it was 10-3 to uphold the injunction and that's about as big of a win for the challenger as they could have expected. the ninth circuit heard arguing about a week after the fourth circuit. there are only three judges on that panel. they will now speed up and try to get out their opinion quickly
as well. >> guys, let's throw it up on the screen again, the aclu response. "we won in fourth circuit muslim ban case. more to come," from the aclu. so let's say, steve, that the ninth follows in the fourth's footsteps in terms of upholding the block. so then page was just saying it could go on to the full fourth circuit. at what point could this thing really go on to the supreme court? >> well, i think that point is now. i think the government's response to this ruling today is going to be to try to get the supreme court to step in so it wouldn't surprise me if they try to file something in the next couple of weeks in the supreme court. i don't think the supreme court will react very quickly. they won't perceive it as an urgent application that requires a special session. this is now the rubber hitting the road from the government's perspective and it's a point at
which they will try to go to the supreme court. really no matter what that panel rules. >> and again, laura hit on this point. i hit on this point earlier. the fact that in this ruling earlier, it was the statements from mr. trump himself that with were ultimately used against him in blocking this ban. >> that's right. today's ruling is going to be taken apart by everybody and they are going to find once again the biggest obstacle to president trump's executive immigration order and it will continue to be president trump. the one point on which the ten judges in the majority slightly disagreed was just how much weight to put into president trump's statements, especially before he took office so one of the current opinions by the judge focuses more on the statements he's made since he took office and even there
there's enough to believe that this is not really about national security. that this is a pretext for anti-muslim discrimination. >> yep. steve, thank you so much, one of our cnn legal experts. the timing here is interesting. john kelly just said today that the u.s. is watching, quote, very sophisticated and advanced threats right now. he said these threats could affect, quote, every airport in the world. chris, former fbi assistant director, what is your take? >> well, we know that as safe havens in syria, iraq and other places are being degraded, we've got quite a few foreign fighters that have traveled and are on their way back from wherever they came from. they could be coming into the united states. and i'm not surprised that they are getting more information
about threats. it happened after the russians in afghanistan where we actually had jihad being waged in afghanistan back in the '90s and that's what brought us al qaeda and very active presence in the united states. we've got to be on our toes as well. >> what about -- and this is separate. manchester is fresh on my mind. i was there for a little over 24 hours. this attacker had not only been to libya a couple of weeks before blowing himself up and murdering innocent people but the pentagon had gone to syria and had specifically trained with isis. >> there's such a huge volume of people traveling in and out of the eu that i suspect that the intelligence services in the uk are having trouble keeping track of the ones that present the most imminent threat. so i'm sure they're being taxed
to the max in terms of their physical surveillance resources, even their electronic surveillance resources. there's just so many of them that i'm not totally shocked that they did not lock on to this particular individual unless he was flashing red, as we say. >> i wanted to ask you that but staying on course, of course, with the news of this travel ban now from the fourth circuit court upholding this block on the president's revised ban. stay with me, sir. maeve reston, just on the politics side of this, we saw the aclu tweet. this is a huge win for them. how big of a punch is this for the white house? >> well, i think it's yet another punch for the white house from the courts. i mean the travel ban has been repeatedly blocked in the courts over and over again and so they've had to deal with the fallout from that but i'm
interested to see how what unfolded in manchester is going to affect the way that people think about this. you know, the travel ban as we discussed does include syria as one of those nations and we don't know enough yet about what happened in manchester. but clearly people are, once again, worried about people coming into this country who particularly are coming back from syria who have been radicalized. so it will be a heightened awareness of terrorism and whether they look differently at things like trump's travel ban which is why this was the context of which he talked about it during the campaign but as far as the legal defeat, once again, i haven't had a chance to read the full ruling yet but this is an example of how his rhetoric on the trail and
rhetoric of his advisers has really gotten in the way of the policy initiatives that they want to move forward on and it looks like another defeat. >> exactly. that's precisely the point we keep hammering home. this is donald trump on the trail, donald trump as president and inner circle, all of this language being used in this ruling, in upholding this block. maeve, thank you. rain ryan, it's so nice to see you. >> yes, in person. >> the president has been away, for the most part, and it's been a positive trip for him more or less but this is bad news for him. >> it's bad news, yes. and what it does is, once again, drive home some of the promises that he tried to make on the campaign trail. they are not coming to fruition there. there's politics, governance, courts that have to work with this president. so also -- and i want to talk to
you really fast about his piece. when he was at the arab islamic america summit meeting in saudi arabia, the president said, drive them out. some of those words, the attention of this president who spoke a lot of things on the campaign trail talking about radical islamic terrorism -- >> that phrase. >> yes. which hillary clinton and president obama -- >> right. but he continued to say, "drive them out." the question is now, by some of the national intelligence and security communities, did that make -- or some of those words make people think, hmm, it's time for us to show that we are here again. we don't know yet. it's still a tinderbox. things are still happening. but the question is, when this president speaks, when he talks about travel bans and keeping people from muslim nations from
coming into the united states, what happens? is this a direct result of that? is all of this happening, you know, in manchester, a direct result of that? and when the courts get involved, you have to really wonder, is it a civil rights issue? is it the fact that this country is based on you're hungry, you're tired. is the president so far removed from what the foundation of this country is when he goes to other countries talking about driving them out. you just wonder, so many different things that come together when it relates to this travel ban being upheld and also security of this nation. so -- >> do we know -- have we gotten a response from the white house on this? >> we have not. >> this just broke in the last couple of minutes. stay with me. david chalian, let me bring you in. how is it that this is another hit to the white house? this is a promise forever on that campaign trail. how can he continue with his agenda when he keeps getting hit
with things like this? >> there are different levels of support, especially within his own party. and when donald trump announced the muslim ban, this is something that many, many republicans, even republicans who hadn't been in the anti-trump camp of that very divisive campaign inside the republican party, this is -- this was something they fundamentally disagreed with. i was just pulling up governor mike pence's tweet at the time. calls to ban muslims from entering the u.s. are offensive and unconstitutional. that's what governor mike pence tweeted at the time that donald trump ruled out his muslim ban. what has happened here, the reality is, if you look at these court rulings and now today has added to it, those comments, no matter what he has proposed
here, nothing has supersede that campaign rhetoric that many republicans ran away from initially. that's what the courts are saying, is that the courts still believe those comments at the time are the intent behind his goal here and that is what continually trips him up, no matter how they recrafted this executive order. >> uh-huh. no. it is. we're going to have so much more news on the fourth circuit. might this go on depending on what the government does to the u.s. supreme court? we wait and see. stay tuned. much more. also ahead, breaking news on the concert bomber in manchester. we are now hearing who likely trained this attacker and specifically w specifically where it happened and how sophisticated this must have been. also ahead, a special election is under way in montana after a reporter was allegedly body slammed by one of the candidates. we'll talk to someone who was
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or select a republican who was just charged with allegedly body slamming a journalist. overnight, a sheriff in this town has filed a misdemeanor assault count against greg gianforte. a reporter from "the guardian" says gianforte went after him when he asked gianforte about the republican health plan. there was audio made of the incident. this happened 13 hours before the polls opened. >> the cbo score. as you know you've been waiting to make your decision. >> we'll talk about that later. >> speak with shane, please. >> i'm sick and tired of you guys. the last time you came in here, you did the same thing. get the hell out of here!
are you with "the guardian"? >> yes. he just body-slammed me and broke my glasses. >> get the hell out of here. >> you'd like me to get the hell out of here and i'd like to call the police. >> can i get your guys' names? >> you've got to leave. >> he just body slammed me. >> when jacobs asked for names, he was speaking to a fox news team who happened to be right there when this all happened, according to a fox correspondent alicia acuna. >> i did see the whole thing when gianforte grabbed him by the neck, both hands, slid him to the side, body slammed him and then got on top of him and then started punching and yelling. >> let's be clear, though, both of those accounts do not match this statement from gianforte's spokesperson. it reads as follows, "that
jacobs shoved a recorder in his face and started asking badgering questions. greg attempted to grab the phone that was pushed in his face. jacobs grabbed greg's wrists and spun away from greg pushing them both to the ground. it's unfortunate that this aggressive behavior fortunately a liberal journalist created this scene at our campaign volunteer bbq. ryan zinke has left the seat vacant because he's works as secretary of interior. we'll speak to somebody who is the cops and courts recorder. let me ask you about gianforte in the past. has he had run-ins with reporters around town? what is his reputation there?
>> no run-ins with reporters around town in bozeman specifically. there have been a few recorded incidents that have gotten testy and confrontational but nothing more than that. >> he apparently had donated money to gianforte's campaign in the past and he's telling people in town, stop calling 911. why? >> because people right now after the incident, according to the car logs from the sheriff's office that i got, right after the incident was recorded, there was at least a dozen calls of people asking for information coming from out of state reporters calling dispatch, according to the sheriff, as well as people who wanted to put in their two cents, just citizens wanting to apparently talk to dispatch about the incident and it was kind of clogging up the 911 lines and
public safety comes first for those folks. so the sheriff wanted to make sure that those lines were clear for the people who really needed 911. >> so he's saying, stop dialing 911. one of our reporters there, kyung lah, said that this pushed a voter to vote for gianforte. what are you hearing from voters? >> some of my colleagues are just kind of hearing that people are surprised by the news but it hasn't really swayed them. giving a number of different reactions at the fairgrounds and the election offices where people are voting today. it kind of runs the gamut but specifically my colleague michael wright has talked to some people who say it hasn't swayed their vote. they still like gianforte's business background and this alleged incident is not swaying them. >> okay. polls close at 10:00 eastern tonight, i believe is that final
time. we should know one way or the other, eventually this evening. whitney, thank you. the race between greg gianforte and rob quist was already closer than people anticipated. especially for a state where president trump won by 20 points. gianforte has been trying to leverage the president's popularity with this robo call. >> so get to the polls and vote for greg. that's greg gianforte. you'll be very proud of him for years to come. >> let's get into this with cnn political commentator april ryan who is here with us. she's also white house correspondent for american urban radio networks. we have david jolly and cnn political commentator ben ferguson, a conservative talk radio host. great to have all of you here. april, let me turn to you first. it's so interesting hearing the spectrum of voters. we heard from whitney saying this hasn't changed people's
opinions. some are saying that -- a lot of people voted early. >> right. >> they are hearing this audio and they want to change their vote. what do you think is better for the republican party? for him to win or to lose? >> well, for this president who supported him, he wants to see this as a win. even with all of this going on. he's a staunch supporter, a loyalist to donald trump, which he's in need of right now. he is like him. he's a business mogul. donald trump needs people like that in his camp who are espousing exactly what he says. look what happened with the reporter. reporters are enemy of the people. we are opposition parties. steve bannon said that. but for the republican party, for those in washington, for the paul ryans, mitch mcconnells, this does not bode well at all. for the president, it's one thing. for those in power on capitol
hill, it says another. >> paul ryan said he needs to apologize. >> yes. >> we heard from nancy pelosi saying this. >> to see this person who wants to be a representative in the house of representatives for montana, sort of a want-to-be trump, using language like that, harshly like that, that's his model. donald trump is his model. we've really got to say, come on, behave. behave. that was outrageous. >> congressman jolly, i saw your twitter. hey, county prosecutor, file assault charges against gianforte and accessory charges against president trump. >> that's it. listen, welcome to donald trump's america. welcome to the environment he created. rarely do i agree with nancy pelosi. understand this is what we did when we had a candidate who two years ago suggested i don't want to kill the media but i do hate
them and they are disgusting people and we've allowed them to do this and, frankly, 46% of the people who put donald trump in the white house have also contributed to this environment. understand politically, also, how weak gianforte is right now and how weak republicans are. he snapped because he was being pushed on whether or not he supported the aaca in a state trump won by 20 points and couldn't handle the question and he put the reporter in a chokehold. that makes what donald trump did to april ryan look like small ball and i never thought we'd get to that point. >> i hear you. but going back to that point, though, it's true, there is a segment of society that's listening to the president. he's giving this dog whistle and they are following it. on twitter, the twitter trolls have taken over. it's about giving fact and people are jumping on us. just for shaking my head allegedly that sean spicer said i did, i got a death threat.
and we had to file a complaint with the fbi. so this is real. this is not a good state of affairs. >> ben ferguson, you're shaking your head? >> yes. i understand why democrats are trying to connect a guy in montana that was an idiot to the president because you're trying to score political points. let's separate and actually hold the man, the candidate in montana, responsible for his actions. this guy and what he did was inexcusable. he should, in my opinion, not only apologize but he should probably drop out of the race. i think he probably knows seven out of ten votes have been cast because you can vote by mail. but for nancy pelosi and others to say, oh, well, this was sanctioned by donald trump, no, this is a grown man running for congress who obviously cannot handle the heat that comes with
running for office. you hold him accountable but don't try to score political points and try to connect to the white house because you're just as bad as the guy who assaulted the reporter. grow up and hold the adult accountable. >> i understand. you are separating the two. do you see -- is there a breakdown in civility? do you acknowledge that? >> yes, there's absolutely a breakdown in civility. as soon as i get done with this, some people will probably say, ben, you should literally die. that's where we've gone. and he made a stupid mistake. i personally would early vote because stuff like this can happen but let's try not to somehow -- this is a kid that
gets in trouble and the parents don't want to hold him accountable so he blames the friends for getting in trouble. well, you're hanging out with bad people. no, you made a bad decision. don't try to connect with donald trump. >> the vice president supported this candidate. the vice president and president supported this candidate with robo calls. >> whoa. whoa. >> this is not about barack obama. >> my point is this. there are people that boem that he supported and listen to me, this is what i'm going to say. >> you're making my point for me, which is this. when you were the president, you basically support the people that are running on your side of the aisle. there are people that were shady and did stupid things and some are disgraced politicians. anthony weiner is one of them. >> whoa. whoa. whoa.
>> i my point is is this -- >> why are we talking about anthony weiner right now, my friend? let's stay on track. >> i think ben just acknowledged -- >> congressman jolly -- >> i think he just acknowledged that donald trump -- i think ben just acknowledged that donald trump has terrible judgment for supporting gianforte. but listen, to ben's point, you can't tie the two of them together. but listen, bad candidates can't handle the scrutiny of the press and that's true of a congressional candidate in montana and of the president of the united states who cannot handle the scrutiny of the press and that's one thing that trump and gianforte have in common. sfloo we've got to go. we can talk about anthony weiner another time. all right? thank you very much, you guys, for all of your various opinions. we do have more breaking news we need to get to into the investigation of the attack in manchester this week. we are now hearing who likely trained the attacker and where that happened.
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aria ariana grande concert. cnn has confirmed right now, armed officers are patrolling uk trains for the first time ever. the uk's terror threat level remains at the highest point in a decade. atika shubert is live in manchester. talk to me about today's raids in the hunt for others who might be involved in the preparation for the bombing. >> absolutely. we've seen an increasing number of raids around the city and we've been to at least four of them. this is one of the first places that was searched. this is where salman abedi was actually living, or at least his last known address. what we've been seeing is a hunt for a possible place where the bomb may have been at the apartment yesterday and packages have been coming there and there
is an increased pace to find out how the bomb was constructed and who made it. what the consensus is from a lot of investigators is that abedi did not work alone. there is a possibility that the experienced bomb maker put together these explosives and the question is where did he do it. if it was in manchester, where? they are racing against time. that's why we see so many of these searches and raids happening, brooke. >> let me bring in chris swecker. if this individual had been in libya a couple of weeks before the attack, and then in syria some months before training with isis terrorists, what does the training entail and what would he have learned? >> it would have been mostly indoctrination. i would dispute that it's a really complex attack.
i understand the debt ton nate f -- detonator may have been complex but mostly what took place overseas is the indoctrination, the brainwashing and then the fundamentals of walking into a public area, selecting the area and then detonating the bomb. but i think most of that -- they select these individuals carefully. they're people who -- we've seen this in the past -- susceptible to the message, willing to do what this person did. i've been to suicide bomb scenes in iraq and the first thing that strikes you is, wow, this person is committed. this is the ultimate sacrifice. you know you're going to die. >> just seeing some of the pictures and remnants in person, it's chilling to look at but also likes like there was a dedication to make sure that this thing got carried out based upon how they were able to explode it. one other piece i wanted to bring up to you because we know
this bomber's brother is currently in custody in libya for plotting his own attack there. when we talk about brothers and terrorism, there is, chris, a bit of a theme, the kouachi brothers and the brussels suicide bombers, i remember being in boston, the tsarnaev brothers. why is there a trend? >> these are expendable people and, again, i think that the master terrorists, the master bombers are not expendable. they want them around for the long term so they can continue to do this. i just think isis, al qaeda, veteran terrorists are good at the indoctrination part and they spot people most susceptible to do this type of thing and they stay in the background. there was an initial isis message that referred to multiple bombings, which is pretty ominous.
maybe they were recruiting other members of the family, maybe other members of the malignant social network, if you will. but obviously there's a cell in operation here and this -- extend this all the way back to syria, i think that the brits and the uk intelligence services are holding back a lot of information as they should. i think this is fairly extensive, as most people would surmise by this point. >> so they are spotting cowardice and weakness in these individuals. chris, thank you for your expertise. the fbi and james comey may have been duped by a possible fake document, a document that could have influenced comey's actions involving the clinton e-mail investigation. we have that coming up.
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document to make the clinton e-mail investigation look like a conspiracy. in march of last year, the secret document appeared. an apparent piece of russian intelligence claiming that loretta lynch had privately assured someone within the clinton campaign that the investigation into james comey's handling of said classified information wouldn't actually go too deep. but by august, the fbi had come to believe that the document was possibly fake. david chalian is joining me now, our cnn political director. also joining us is author of "the threat matrix, the fbi at war." david, the real story here appears to be how this document may have influenced comey at the time. lay this out for me. >> well, you remember, brooke, when jim comey was testifying before congress recently and was
asked about why he went around the department of justice procedures and gave the press conference clearinging hillary clinton but saying she acted extremely carelessly. remember the attorney general at the time, loretta lynch, bill clinton went to visit her at the time and that interaction raised questions about why he thought maybe to be completely independent of doj, not even give loretta lynch a real heads-up to what he was doing was necessary. he mentioned other items that influenced the decision making. it seems that this document is one of those items that he was talking about and yet we are learning that the document is not necessarily deemed to be credible so you can imagine the irony of all of this that jim comey, who inserted himself into the presidential election, as you know, multiple times, to great criticism, may have done so because of the weight he gave
what is now deemed to be perhaps a fake document. >> this is a huge, if true, you mentioned when he was testifying recently and he talked about loretta lynch, he talked about when he went straight to cameras back in july. do we all remember this moment? >> although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the classified handling of information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. opinions are irrelevant and they were all uninformed by insight into our investigation because we did our investigation the right way. only facts matter. and the fbi found them here in an entirely apolitical and professional way. >> so garret, as i read this piece in "the post" this morning, comey felt he had little choice to step around the doj and announce the end of the clinton investigation because he feared if loretta lynch announced no charges against
clinton and that secret document was leaked, then the legitimacy of this entire investigation would be questioned. are we to believe that the fbi could fall for fake documents? >> well, so i think one of the things that this "washington post" report makes clear -- and we had known about this document a couple of weeks ago, but "the washington post" makes it seem like it played a much more central role in jim comey's decision making during that summer to have that unprecedented press conference. but it seems clear that if this is a fake document -- and in the context of the totality of the information that we're learning about last summer, that the u.s. government was often operating with very complete and inaccurate understanding of the scale and scope of what russia was doing in the meddles with our election. >> so we've talked so much about
jim comey because he was fired and because of the conversations with the president and he's known for his notes, right? my question is, and i'm sure the hillary clinton folks are thinking the same thing, my goodness, when are we going to get the details and the notes of the thoughts going on behind the scenes of this investigation? to either of you. garret and then david. >> i think this is really interesting looking and thinking about this timing. this document first surfaced in march, which is about when the fbi begins to realize that it's unlikely to bring charges against hillary clinton. so these two documents are working their way through the system at the same time. and we are beginning to also understand the depths of distrust between jim comey and loretta lynch. now, normally the fbi director and the attorney general is one
of the most important working relationships in the u.s. government and we are beginning to understand the extent to which jim comey just didn't trust that he could listen to or trust the decision making and independence of loretta lynch throughout this process and that's a really troubling precedent that we're beginning to understand. >> but to your point, brooke, if, indeed, the special counsel bob mueller is doing the most comprehensive look at russia's meddling in the election, then you are right, it will be curious to see if there are contemporaneous notes about comey's thought process surrounding this memo. >> david, thank you. garret, thank you as well. more on our breaking news today. another rejection to the president's travel ban in the fourth circuit court blocking the ban. what this means politically and what the white house's next steps legally are. more on cnn. d into the paint store
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