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u.s. intelligence received about russian influence. the content of the conversations made clear to u.s. officials that russia was considering ways to influence the election, even if their claims turned out to be false. cnn first reported the u.s. intercepted discussions of russian officials bragging about cultivating relationships with trump campaign aides including trump's first national security adviser michael flynn to influence trump himself. following cnn's report, "the new york times" said trump's campaign chairman paul manafort was also discussed. >> all right, jim. so very tantalizing headline. do we know anything about who the russians were talking about specifically, in terms of who around trump they might be able to new or who they were working. >> beyond trump himself, none would say which specific trump aides were discussed, what officials said the intelligence report masked american names but clear the conversations revolved around the trump campaign team. another source would not get
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more specific citing classified nature of the information involved. this is yet another round of false and unverified claims. we should say we reached out to the white house for comment and just overnight got this answer. quote, this is another round of false and unverified claims made by anonymous sources to smear the president. a reality is a review of the president's income from the last ten years showed he had virtually no financial ties at all. there appears to be no limit to which the president's political opponents will go to perpetuate this false narrative including illegally leaking classified material. all this, of course, does play into the hands of our adversaries they say and put the country at risk, end quote. we reach down to the fbi and officer of the director of national intelligence. they did have a comment. i should note the president himself as you're aware insisted on multiple occasions he has no financial dealings with russia. >> jim, is this new report you have part of the current investigation? >> the fbi investigation into
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russian meddling in the investigation recently taken over by special counsel robert mueller, includes seeking answers whether there was coordination with associates of trump and examining alleged financial dealings of key trump associates. the fbi would not comment whether any of the claims we've discussed in the intercepts have been verified by the time truch took office questions about some of his aides, financial dealings with russian embassy were under investigation. soon after the republican convention paul manafort had stepped aside because of questions about off the book payment he received consulting a pro putin candidate in ukraine. this is what officials told cnn last summer. manafort denied he received illicit finances, also work for trump or foreign officials. he offered to testify before congressional committees investigating russian interference. also former security adviser michael flynn feeling to de los payments he sophisticated from
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russian entities for a trip he took to moscow in 2015. on that trip, you remember, flynn and beside president putin at a gala. failing to disclose on his security clearance claims payments he received for that moscow trip from russian entities, this and questions about lobbying for turkey. alisyn and chris, a lot there. the key headline is intercepts were russians, russia to russia communications claiming they had derogatory information on both the president and the president's aides. >> jim sciutto, appreciate it. that is a big headline. thank you for bringing it to us. president trump is clearly not a fan of any of this. we're talking about investigation into russian meddling. he has struggled to find ways to tamp it down. now investigators are reportedly focusing on a meeting in december between trump's son-in-law jared kushner and this russian banker.
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cnn joe beyonjohns is live at t white house with that. joe. >> reporter: the white house continues to struggle with how to explain many contacts, including contacts by the president's senior adviser jared kushner with, as we have said before, the russian ambassador to the united states sergey kislyak and reporter by "new york times," conversations between jared kushner and sergei go gorkov, a russian banker under sanctions by the united states. not clear what those conversations were about. persistent reports there was an intent to set up a back channel with russia. the administration on and off the record has downplayed, not talked much about it. as well has not confirmed or denied.
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simply said even if it happened, it's not a big deal. jared kushner as well as his wife ivanka trump have been keeping a low profile throughout all of this in order to, perhaps, see if it blows over. jared kushner has sent the message he would like to sit down and explain -- at least he said that through his attorneys -- one possible explanation as reported by krchb was that it was the russians that tried to set up the back channel and not kushner. back to you. >> joe, appreciate it. let's discuss what matters here and why with these new headlines surrounding russian investigation. let's bring back jim sciutto and political analyst david gregory and cnn national security analyst david sanger, david grego gregory. part of this is timing, whether he was taking meetings on behalf of trump or behalf of himself. then you have the second
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consideration, what kind of meetings and whom. what do you think the main things are to focus on. >> i think a couple things. there's a darker route, which i'm sure investigators are following, wondering whether they had something on trump or associates that was negative, that they felt could be used to compromise the incoming administration. you have then an administration with key figures trying to figure out what that is, trying to mitigate that, negotiate over it. i think it could simply be na e naivete. we can figure it out better than these obama folks and intelligence folks so we'll have at it. you have kushner, no foreign policy experience, not the person handling this portfolio going about it in a naive way, arrogant way. in all of this, i think wherever
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the investigation takes us, it's hard to escape the idea there wasn't bad judgment being used here because you have a foreign power that we knew at the time had been trying to engage in tilting the election toward trump. we know this is a foreign power that manipulated or tried to manipulate two previous administrations in their own diplomatic dealings. so at the very least it seems naive and reckless to think you're not going to be used by the russians here. i think that's kind of the broad overview. this is where the special counsel of the investigation is plunging ahead. >> david sanger, whatalisyn, it the content of the conversation was. there's nothing illegal about back channel. i agree with david completely, it's very fraught if you're doing back channels during a transition.
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there have been back channels done before. nixon engaged in some, kennedy engaged in some during transition times, but they are really a lot easier to go do once you're in office. so why would he need the banker? well, if the explanation that the white house would prefer, that this was set up by the russians, setting up a way for putin to be able to talk, maybe that will turn out to be bad judgment but not illegal. the difficulty is that the bank the banker represents would have a huge amount to benefit from the lifting of the u.s. sanctions and international sanctions against russia because of the ukraine military activity and seizing crimea. there was talk early in the trump transition, and talk by mr. trump during the campaign in
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interviews, about moving ahead to lift those sanctions. if that was being done while there was a government in place, the obama government, that would be pretty problematic. so that's the sort of fine line i think the investigators are going to be focused on. >> then you have the "x factor." if they could show kushner was meeting with his banker for his own personal financing purposes, then he'd have a very big issue. jim sciutto, we keep hearing from the white house and trump defenders this is about style not substance. this was not about kushner looking for money or trying to work the russians in a wrong way, this is just about their experience level and not about anything worse. john mccain disagree when it comes to simple style points. listen to what he said. >> my view of it is i don't like it. i just don't. i know that some administration officials are saying, well, that's standard procedure.
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i don't think it's standard procedure prior to the inauguration of a president of the united states by someone who is not in an appointed position. >> we keep hearing this, jim. the one president at a time thing. can you dismiss that as a formality but that's now how officials are taking it. >> style matters. beyond the issue of what the law is, there are norms. one being there's one president at a time. that's not just a fashion. that's something that's important in part because here you have an impression or at least a question because the outgoing president, who was still president of the united states at the time had a different approach to russia and incoming was there. we don't know the answer to the question but it's a reasonable question, was there an effort by the trump administration to undermine the obama administration especially on sanctions against russia.
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that's a fair question to ask whether any law was broken or not. then you get to the issue with both davids, which both davids mentioned, was there naive ssz h naivete. it doesn't have to be nefarious to be a problem. you have a private citizen. russia is very adept at this stuff. they are looking at an advantage there. the final thing i would say, if it is true jared kushner was lag to have these conversations in some russian facility outside of the years of u.s. intelligence, what does that say of the incoming president's view of american intelligence services and why would you want to have that kind of conversation in proprietary. it raise as lot of legitimate questions. >> can i raise this point. i think it's important to auto think about the broader context as well. a few minutes ago i said you had
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two administrations with russia. they appeared to be untrustworthy. signaled cooperation with the bush administration. that proved to be an untrustworthy channel in terms of invading soviet republics at the end of the administration. there was an attempt at reset during obama administration. what i think trump people could be accused of at this point, which is not about legality, which is being investigated, why is it they thought they were immune from being manipulated diplomatically or worse from the russians. a foreign power that just sought to man it late and tamper with our election and untrustworthy with two partners in two prior administrations. that hubris, let's barrel forward with bankers, we can
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make this work. you had a guy, the national curt adviser, who had already been compromised. that to me is what's suspicious. >> david sanger, hold that thought. we're going to take a quick break and come back to you. >> some great context for these issues, in the next hour we're going to talk about these threads and questions with the man on your screen, the former director of national intelligence james clapper. >> meanwhile german chancelloran angela merkel is doubling down insisting europe can no longer count on the u.s. how badly is the relationship fractured? we'll discuss that . ♪ ♪ nothing performs like a tempur-pedic. and now is the best time to buy one. now through june 11th, save $600 when you buy select
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something i think really hurt a lot of people in germany, prompted angela merkel to say the following thing. we know transatlantic relations are immense for us all, rest on values and interests, particularly when we're ion times of important challenges. here comes the important part. the last few days showed me the time we could completely rely on others are over. obviously referring to this current white house. it was interesting because she qualified the remark, we still believe in transatlantic relations we're just not sure what we're getting from the white house. angela merkel is in an election campaign. however, her political rivals running against her are actually supporting her in what she said, chris. >> thank you very much for all that. let's bring back our panel. david gregory and david sanger. also joining us sarah westwood, white house correspondent for washington examiner. good to see all of you. david sanger, you heard angela merkel there, said the time we could rely on the west, completely rely on others is over.
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germany's foreign minister put an even finer point on it. let me read what he said. short sighted policies of american government stand against the interests of european union. the west has become smaller. at least it has become weaker. what's the significance of all this? >> alisyn, these are remarkable comments from our closest allies. think about this trip the president took, where he arrives in saudi arabia. he's treated like a visiting king. the relationship is in incredibly warm. he gets to europe with more traditional allies and it's a series of alienating comments on both sides, and some alienating actions. why is that important? a few things. first, the united states since the end of world war ii has always been a leader of the atlantic alliance. that means not only been the biggest contributor to nato, which is one of president
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trump's complaints and presidents before him has said more should be contributed by others. it also means those countries have relied on the united states, its nuclear umbrella, its moral compass, its ability to lead. what you're hearing from chancellor merkel, those days are over. we may need to seek our own way. another point yesterday she said, we can't trust the british that much after brexit and we can't trust the americans. those were two of the major victors of world war ii, germany had come into the alliance after the war was other. we look back at this moment as a temporary blip, it will be one thing if we look back as a major breach in a relationship that stretches back 70 years. that will be another. sarah, how much of this is about "triumph" pushing on real issues that make merkel
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unfortunatable, that the ueu is criticized, other allies haven't put in the percent with the way nato lays out specifically germany. >> that's certainly part of it. trump's push to have nato members meet their 2% of their gdp commitment to defense spending, that's aimed largely at countries like germany that have failed to meet those commitments. it seems like the catalyst for chancellor merkel's comments was president trump's refusal to endorse the paris climate accords at the g7 meeting. if there was a time and a place for president trump to reaffirm america's commitment to the deal, the g7 would have been the setting for that. it didn't happen. i think that ruffled some feathers among european leaders like merkel who view it as a bellwether issue of american
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leadership. these tensions have clearly been simmering for sometime now. president trump represents this populist wave in america that has also affected support for eu in europe. obviously he's cheered openly euro skeptics. chancellor merkel is someone who is the face of the eu in a lot of ways and preserving it through this populist wave. she's in an election year in a country where president trump is deeply unpopular. it's almost surprising we haven't heard this election from her earlier, that she's waited until now to voice doubts about the trump administration given the amount of uncertainty he's created. >> particularly, david, we've heard president trump criticizes angela merkel before this. it did seem as though there was pad blood but now it has morphed from whatever personality conflict they had into a geopolitical conflict. >> something more fundamental. we have to separate breaches on policy, areas where you're going
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to have this agreement. we saw that as we've been discussing over the past several days, over the iraq war and how it broke america with western europe for a period of time. but never fundamentally. right now you have differences over trade, over migration policy in the broader fight over terrorism and about climate. but i want to underline what david said. the reason why the united states led the atlantic alliance after world war ii is there had been two world wars on the continent. they killed tens of millions of people on the continent alone,let alone american losses as well. this is america leading so europe wouldn't kill itself and act as a bulwark to the soviet union. that's just as true today. we may have disagreements on issues between united states and european union. we're major trading partners. there is a fundamental alliance that is critically important against a resurgent russia. here you have the specter of
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germany saying we've got to go it alone. that hasn't happened since before world war i, which turned out to be so disastrous. that's what i think is important about this moment we don't want to lose sight of. these people are more than our friends. family in the global order that america leads. >> the question is, is this an opportunity where president trump mollifies or does he double down? we'll see. >> thank you very much. up next lawmakers nearly coming to pelosi inside the texas state house. see this video? what started it? a representative claiming he was actually the target of a death threat. there's a new law in play that was behind this kerfluffle. we'll take you through it when "new day" continues.
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>> no doubt targeting most vulnerable. this near brawl in the texas legislature. what happened? you had republican representative matt rinaldi, they say he triggered the chaos. it's going to be disputed but they turned i.c.e. agents on protester who said, i am legal and here to say. rinaldi claims he was assaulted by democratic lawmakers. they denied it, claimed rinaldi threatened to put a bullet in the head of one. this obviously was a catalyst to spark simmering tension there. you have a lot of latinos in that room. they took it as a personal slight. and this is what we're about right now. >> yes. absolutely. you can see how overblown everything gets with all the heated rhetoric and something sparks it. mvp while is the russia cloud
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it seems every day brings a new development into the investigation in russia's meddling in the u.s. election. how do president trump's most ardent supporters feels about this. we assembled a group from ohio, new york, california, to ask them about it in part two of our voter panel. show of hands. how many people are concerned about the russia investigation? three of you are concerned about what you've seen thus far with the russian association. brook, why? >> it's just concerning. i understand keep your friends close and enemies closer. but at the same point if you're keeping your enemy closer, you're obviously communicating about things. i don't know how he's earning the trust and friendship with russia? >> you think he might be
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divulging too much? >> he very well could be. we all see he always says what's on his mind. he'll say anything to get what he wants. >> what's your concern about russia? >> to say you're not concerned about an fbi investigation i feel is a little partisan. i understand he's not a politician. but as a businessman you would have thought he would have had his affairs in order. michael flynn, you would have thought he'd have a little more discretion. >> do you fear that it could lead someplace. >> if you look at what the cia director said sometimes and especially with michael flynn, sometimes you can be led down a path to treason, as he put it, without intent. in that sense i do think we have to see what the fbi recommends. >> judy, why aren't you concerned about the russian investigation? >> i don't think there's enough evidence for me personally to be concerned. >> so contacts that the trump campaign advisers had, that doesn't rise to the level of
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concern for you. >> it does not. so much media coming at us, it's hard to sometimes sort through it all. when i try to clear the path, so to speak, and see where the dust settles, it's not concerning to me at this time. that was obama administration fault with flynn. they are the ones who did all the investigation on him. >> national security adviser, the russians didn't disclose it. >> everything passed on said he was clear to go, completely investigated. donald trump didn't have the ability to investigate him like the obama administration did. >> sally yates attempted to alert the trump administration that michael flynn hadn't divulged things, his ties to the russians. why did it take 18 days to fire him? >> that's one of the things that gets me. sometimes i think he should take action a little faster. >> does the russian stuff give
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you pause? >> it does. i would be not happy if it turned out he really was inclusiin collusion with russia. if he's doing it to try to keep the relationship with our country safe, that's really what i think he's doing. >> people have taken issue with the fact he divulged classified information with the russians. that wasn't planned. he just decided to do that. he broke protocol. >> there's a couple of things. number one, i don't know what they are considering classified. >> it's classified. it's considered classified. >> he's not going to do something intentionally harmful. >> what if it is harmful even unintentional. >> every president made mistakes that could be detrimental to the party and nation. we've got to let things fall where they may. when it becomes something that is proven, then we speak up. but what we have a tendency to do in america today is we want to judge everybody before
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there's something really sincerely evidently obviously wrong. >> the classified information, it definitely worries me. it takes away from his agenda, tax cuts, reforms, got people on his side. as far as comey, i don't think he did anything wrong, he may have broken presidential etiquette, which he has done time and time again. >> all of you seemed to like that president trump wasn't a politician. that was refreshing. >> i think the question is does that disqualify him as a president. i think that's what cnn and other outlets are trying to disseminate. >> that it wasn't -- >> that certain abnormalities and problems in the policy, they are trying to say that absolutely invalidates the entire idea, spirit of the law. >> i never heard cnn say that. >> "washington post." >> having not been a politician but i do hear you say that there
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are some down falls, some pitfalls to some politicians cau because they don't know how to do it. >> it is the first 120 days. to turn your head in the sand, that's a mistake. >> he has to grow, president trump, absolutely. he has to grow and you're willing to give him the chance to do that. >> i think we have to give him the chance. >> you are the most faithful, in terms of your feelings towards president trump of the crowd. so what are you waiting to see? >> i'm so proud of him, because he's going to clean the wamp. i promise you folks, give him time. he has a lot of heart for every one of us. he has a heart for cnn. believe it or not, i know what he says, but he really wants to make america great again, so do we. we all do. not one person could take that office and accomplish near as
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much as he's done in four months. if he had done that in four months, wait until eight months, wait until two years, wait until four years and he'll be voted in again. i promise you. >> what does he think the president has done in four months. >> he likes the executive actions. he likes the stuff the president has been saying. he talked yesterday when you were off about how he likes, he feels christians have more of a voice now. he feel he had to be sort of silenced in the past. he likes what president trump stands for. what you heard from all of them is it's too early really for them to have -- give him a final grade. you know, they are willing to give him a longer chance. >> he does have a blessing among his base of people really believing the president wants to do the right thing and giving him the benefit of every doubt. every time i see one of these panels now, i want to sit with the people who are not for trump. >> who are not for trump? >> they are the bigger part of the country.
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they are trying to organize. >> we hear from them a lot. >> the trump people say that's the media. you have a base that's equally upset with the media about how they are covering trump but for the exact opposite reasons. >> it's hard to please everybody. i do think we do hear a lot of voices who point out the things they think president trump gets wrong every day. i think that it's really helpful and disruptive to check back in with people who still support him wholeheartedly and who were diehard supporters just to see how they feel. you've heard one last thing. you heard judy there say the deluge of media every day is hard to sort through. i think a lot of people feel that way. >> especially if you see information and criticism as opposition, which is how the trump base sees it. that's tough for them to process. >> coming up in just minutes, we will talk about the russian administration with former director of national intelligence james clapper. stick around for that. >> this is a man who does not struggle with having a lot of information coming at him at
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reeling across parts of the turnpike in pennsylvania and on up into the adirondacks and catskills for most of the day. as the nighttime comes in, we could even get storms down to philadelphia, d.c., and, yes, even you new york city. you could see storms today. in between raindrops temperatures are nice, 60s and 70s. normal weather across northeast and southeast today. chris. >> all right. thank you very much, chad. appreciate it. want to show you this. a very ugly scene as one of baseball's biggest stars threw punches after getting hit by a pitch. coy wire has more in the bleacher report. the big question here, coy, is what's going to happen to big bad bryce harper after this. >> some suspensions, fines likely, chris. there was bad blood between national slugger bryce and the pitcher, holding a grudge three years after he hit off him in the playoff. so yesterday when strickland hit him with 98 miles an hour
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fastball it was royal time. both benches clearing. players ejected. both players likely going to see hefty fines and suspensions. nba finals start thursday, warriors will likely be without head coach steve kerr still feeling effects from back surgery. he'll travel to cleveland. he said as of now he's not going to be on the sidelines for his team. >> tiger woods is apologizing following his arrest monday after driving under the influence. woods was arrested early memorial day near his home in florida. he released this statement saying, quote, i understand the severity of what i did. i take full responsibility for my actions. i want the public to know that alcohol was not involved. what happened was an unexpected reaction to prescribed medications. i didn't realize the mix of medications had affected me so strongly, unquote. woods adding he expects more from himself and will do everything in his power to make
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sure it doesn't happen again. police in florida say he was arrested 3:00 african-american mond -- 3:00 a.m. before spending several hours in jail. he was recovering from a fourth back surgery which he had that month. >> that mug shot, no longer enough to say, well, alcohol wasn't involved. it's prescription drugs. that's a problem that's rampant across the country. >> if that's true, tiger says there's no alcohol involved, if that's true, it really is a window into a bigger problem. there are so many people who drive on medications and they don't understand the effects. they are saying it more and more in law enforcement. it will be interesting if tiger woods becomes the face of that. >> a doctor prescribed it, it must be safer than alcohol. exhibit a. angela merkel doubling down on her doubts europe can rely on the u.s. with president trump.
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president trump or lashing back saying europeans now have to take their destiny into their own hands, doesn't know what she can depend on with the president of the united states mpl the president of the united states is responding on twitter this morning. here is his case. we have a passive trade deficit with germany, plus they pay far less than they should on nato and mill and military. very bad for u.s. this will change. host of amanpour, cristian am n amanpo amanpour, how do you see this? >> angela merkel gave what people did feel was quite a bold statement at a campaign rally over the weekend after coming away from g7 and nato summits with donald trump where there were highly and well publicized
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disputes between all the other g7 members and the united states on climate, on trade, on nato's article 5 and on those kinds of things. so this was not unexpected to highlight those kinds of things. i think some of the words angela merkel used have been ignored. she said, you know, after these last few days, i feel we can no longer fully rely on the united states, and she added the uk. at least to some extent there were all these words. she then turned it back towards what she's long wanted to do, say we must as europeans take our destiny more firmly into our own hands. that's sort of the big picture. i also spoke to the head of the foreign affairs committee yesterday, a member of her party and ally. he basically said, look, we've had 70 years of american leadership, successful leadership, multi-lateralism, and under this president who him self talks about america first
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isolationist foreign policy, this is how we feel about it and that's what we're talking about. they remain committed to transatlantic alliance. >> it's interesting. germany's foreign minister went further than angela merkel did in terms of not mincing words. he talked about how he believes that president trump is putting europe at risk. let me read this for everyone. anyone who accelerates climate change by weakening environmental protection, who sells more weapons in conflict zones and who does not want to politically resolve religious conflicts is putting peace in europe at risk. he is just not pulling any punches. he said a lot of things that sound directly directed at president trump. >> well, look, he's also from a different party, a party that's competing and running in elections against angela merkel. he's part of the coalition. yes, on the issue of climate, they had very difficult talks. our officials who would be talking in germany are very worried that the trump
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administration this week will make a decision to pull out of the paris climate accords. they are saying it doesn't make any economic sense. it doesn't make any business sense both in the united states and around the world business believes in alternative energy and carbon neutral future. it's good for business, say the u.s. business people and those around the world. if climate completely messes up, the environment in parts of the world, it will lead to more migration to the rich part of the world. that's a very black and white issue that can easily be digested by most people. on that issue, yes, the rest of the western alliance is very worried. imagine this, today angela merkel doubled down saying it's right we maintain strong atlantic alliance but we voice our issues. she said it at a press conference with the prime minister of india whom she congratulated on sticking with the paris climate accord. one of the biggest polluters and growing emerging economies in
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the world. so india and china are emerging economies care about their own economies but are also sticking with the climate accords. it's a little bit of cognitive dissidents, if you like, if the u.s. pulls out at this particular point. >> quickly, we know what the president of the united states is doing. he is assessing the deals. that's why you see in his tweet. he doesn't mention environmental accords but saying that's not good for u.s. business. nato, not a good deal because we give so much more than anybody else. you've harped on this point of perception before and reality before. what does this mean for u.s. standing in europe at large. >> europeans after these last two days of summits, nato and g7 have actually had the first opportunity as a group to meet donald trump and hear from him his america first, for want of a
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better, foreign policy. they have heard him talk about trade, about nato, about the climate. so they have got it from the horse's mouth so to speak. but if you look at american business, they have also written letters to this administration saying do not pull out of the climate accords, because this is actually not bad for american business. there's a lot of business to be made, as you know, in alternative energy and all of that. as for the nato 2%, germany has pledged the 2%, which is not a treaty obligation. it was aspirational after russia invade crimea and ukraine and meant to be delivered over the next 10 years by all nato members. it's fettishized. >> good word. thanks to you

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