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will heads roll at the white house? this is cnn tonight i'm don lemon. the investigation is spreadsing russian intercepted talking about derogatory information described as financial during the campaign. jared kushner being surveyed about his conversation with a russian banker. plus, true american heros. three men who stepped up to stop a anti-muslim tie ride against teenage girls in portland. two of those men paid with their lives is hate on the rise? you what you should do to stop
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it. back with me, my panel. good to have all of you on. we'll start of the with mark preston. mark, i want to talk about the number of people on the president's team who have become caught up in this russian probe. michael flynn, paul manafort, roger stone, carter page, j.k. goran. tonight we learned that his attorney will cooperate if subpoenaed and we've learn the house intelligence committee is asking for asking for information from former white house press official boris epstein. all of this before you get to jared kushner, the president's son-in-law. put this in perspective for us. >> let's look at president trump's orbit from the campaign to where we are right now. michael flynn was a surrogate for him on the campaign trial a trusted ally and somebody he put into a key position in the
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federal government. that is as national security adviser. however he had to resign only weeks after taking it don because of his discussions, contacts, with the russians. then you have paul manafort, who was the campaign chairman, somebody who was actually responsible for setting up his convention in cleveland. again, has to resign because of doesn't want to become a distraction to the president because of his contacts. roger stone, who is an outside adviser, a long time friend who is always meddling in some kind of political trickery. he is tied into this. carter page, somebody, don, who is probably way on the periphery but somebody the russians thought they could cultivate and try to infiltrate the campaign. as you said this is even before we get to jared kushner. but that is what has caused a lot of smoke to be rising right now and why people are focusing in on donald trump and his conclusion connections if at all, if any to russia. >> back to jared kushner, he met
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with gorkov and kislyak. explain the gs explanations being give for those meetings, mark. >> first of all we thought they were going to be business meeting of course when we first learned about this. these are meetings that were not initially disclosed and we have come to find out that he has met with them. reuters has also mentioned there has been additional phone calls as well as that occurred in and around the time of their campaign and thereafter. this is where the problem really comes home for president trump. president trump may not have known what was going on with some of these outside advisors or some of the people close to him. but you have to wonder what did he know about mr. kushner's discussions as far as him asking as an imsatisfactory to open up a back channel with russia and if that back channel was to stay open, was it in fact to stay open for a long period of time or was it for a short period as they talked about perhaps using it as a way to discuss the situation in syria. either way, though, don, this is
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before they actually were in office. before president trump became president trump. the obama administration was still in office. that in it self is trabling. >> jack, i have to ask you, i wonder why you say jared kushner is completely out of his league. what does that say about the president who put him in as a senior adviser? >> i think -- i think that's the saddest part of the entire story. we don't have to even go to the grand conspiracy the collusion, whatever. to appoint somebody who has fundamentally no experience on the international scene, who has made his mark in real estate development -- to appoint that person as senior adviser to face people like mr. kislyak, who came to the united states in 1982 as a employee of the u.n. mission of the soviet union. and you know what that meant. if you don't, he either was kgb
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or he reported to the kgb. i worked with folks like that. so to have somebody like to interact with a russian ambassador with that kind of a background is naive and, you know, i have to agree with the former cia director michael haden, naive to a point where it is really discouraging. >> i want to ask you think, because you are listening you have been listening to all of this. do you go it was knew eve to put someone in such a senior role and to possibly have these sort of relationships or communications with foreign adversaries? do you think it was naive of the president to do that. >> he could appoint whoever he wants. >> any president always people around him he can trust but you have got to give them appropriate roles. in this case, it's somebody who has never had a security clearance, never really worked in diplomacy. didn't really understand the structure of the united states government or the pattern of activities or your adversaries. and throw him into the middle of
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it -- it would -- it's a mistake in judgment in my view. he shouldn't do that to someone. >> kim, lots have been talked about back channel, cnn sources say back channels are set up to discuss matters. explain them. >> they are usually a quiet line of communication sometimes done through another country to further obscure that the two enemy countries are talking to each other. and it allows them to get to a point of agreement where maybe they can start talking publicly. what you don't normally do is use an enemy country's communication system going to the russian embassy, which is russian territory in this country, and using their communications to conduct this. i -- so what i'm seeing is, it is as if i'm looking at this from a number of different tribes' point of views.
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from the trump tribe's point of view they had been advised by michael flynn who thought that the u.s. needed to get better with its relations with moscow. so they are getting told by him that talking to moscow is okay. but when you are looking at it from the intelligence lens or from the fbi investigator lens, where you have got a predisposition to what are they trying to get from us here, that's where they are seeing suspicion, and that's where they are seeing these acts with a different point of view. >> steve, if a cia officer suggested a back channel form of communication with russia what would happen? >> a lot of technical terms are being thrown around. back channel can mean a lot of different things. there is a lot of descriptions for it. one question i have about this whole idea of if we try to cut the trump administration, you know, a break, say okay they were looking for some way to
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reach out to russia. that's fine. even during a transition period. you can establish some sort of communication, back channel, if you will, to say hey we are going to be in the oval office soon, going to be the administration soon not yet but here are some of the things that we are going to want to talk about. you can make a ins withing argument for that, and i wouldn't absolutely disagree. what is mind boggling is going into the russian emmaes and using their communication -- you have to andr ask why. why would you do that? the only answer is you were trying to conceal something, and it would be your own country, your own american society, the folks who are watching the russians. there is simply no excuse for that. there is no reason not to wait until you control those levers of power and who is monitoring who. and then you can have whatever conversation you want. back channels are fine. informal communication is fine. doing to a foreign country, especially the russians, an
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adversarial country and say we would like to use your communications systems and hide it from our own government it's difficult for me to wrap my head around. >> general. >> it's suspicious activity. any activity itself is questionable. and when you peel them all up it seems to be conspiratorial. it started for me at the convention. someone at donald trump's direction came down and removed the lethal defensive weapons for ukraine from the republican platform. that was a big part of what most of the national republicans were standing for. that specific thing, why would somebody do that. then there was the appearance in the campaign debates where he says russia if you are listening fine those other 30,000 e-mails. and then various indicators all the way through that sort of add up to a suspicious pattern of activity. it's like -- look at it this
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way. a bank was robbed. by a guy in a black ski mask and a black trench coat. a week later somebody sees somebody throwing a black ski mask and a trench coat in a dumpster. they take a picture of it. they say there is nothing necessarily criminal about that, but it seems to fall into and relate to om sorry set of activities. and we are all doing in the american public is we are watching this pattern of activities come together and we are asking ourselves what is this really about? interesting. because we -- yeah. we have been told so many times from this administration not to believe what our eyes are seeing. don't believe your lying eyes. we shall she. stick around. when we come back, is the president playing right into vladimir putin's hands?
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today was the first full business day at the white house since president trump returned from europe and the middle east. some of the united states's
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closest allies are still reeling from what happened on the trip. back with me kim dozier. sean spicer started his press conference by recapping the president's foreign trip last week. listen to this. >> this was an ordinarily successful and historic nine-day trip the president took. he accomplished the return of a strong america to internal affairs rallied civilized nations of the rorld against terrorism. talked about peace in the middle east. the trip sets the stage for a much more safe and prosperous nation here at home and a more peaceful world for all. >> kim, but this is what angela merkel, the chancellor of germany said after the nato summit and the g7. listen to this. >> the times where we could completely down on others they are over to a certain extent. i have experienced this in the last few days. that is why i say that we europeans must take our fate
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into our own hands. >> is the white house completely out of touch with what happened especially on the second half of the trip. >> they achieved exactly with a they were trying to do. and europe got the message. they were saying we are not willing to carry the majority of the weight. you have got to carry more it. that was the mess an to nato. european officials i have spoken to since that trip were not happy with the way the message was delivered even though a lot of them agreed with it. some of them have said over time, yes, nato countries do need to pay up, pay more, contribute more to their defense. and we were working on that. on other parts of the trip, the visit to israel, the visit to saudi arabia, i have to say, that diplomats i have spoken to who are involved in those visits were pretty happy with what they heard because, especially if you were one of the sunni arab leaders who was inright vited to riyadh, you heard the white house lining up against iran and
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that's what you wanted. >> mark when asked about cha chancellor merkel said president trump's relationship with her is quote fairly unbelievable. i think some might agree with that although not in the same way sean spicer meant it, right? >> i tell you what, if you could remove sean spicer from the podium and put in donald trump that's kpa you would expect the hear directly from donald trump. right, don. >> yeah. >> that's what we are starting to see out of the white house. this is where i part ways with my colleagues in the political sphere looking at the message out of the white house. you can only work with what you have been handed. what we have we are seeing over time is donald trump is dictating to his communications professionals about what he wants them to say. i have said this over and over again. i think it's worth repeating. is that when someone takes that podium, sean spicer, sarah huckabee sanders goes out there and speaks they are speaking to an audience of one trg one person back there in the oval
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office not necessarily the reporters out there asking the questions. because in the end that's who they are serving and that's where they are going to get backlash if he doesn't like what they say. >> shouldn't he be serving the american people and not just the audience of one? >> in many ways. sure. but there are a lot of things that could be going on in this administration, specifically why not just open the books? why not just make this russia investigation be much quicker and faster by just opening the books and being as transparent as possible instead of attacking us because of the work of the republicans and democrats on capitol hill and now this independent investigator. >> an audience of one. the walls are closing in. own one person to blame. yourself. general clark, from "new york times," russia is courting italy, a country that once had the largest communist party outside the so yt bloch and many analyst considered it a soft upped belly of the european union in rome.
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mr. trump left italy insulting their ambassador. and it's said russia is taking advantage of the situation. >> i do think the trip didn't strengthen nato the way it could have and should have strengthened nato. donald trump made some strange comments during the campaign. he questioned nato's relevance. he later waffled back on those comments and said nato was relevant now. but when he was there with all the leaders he didn't affirm positively the united states unflinching, unquestionable commitment to the other members of the alliance if they were attacked. every president has done that in his first visit at the summit. president trump didn't do it. when you couple that with the fact we don't have ambassadors in most of the european countries that we have questioned the european union.
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it does seem to leave a wide space for russia to come in. and russia is very active in europe. they are active with money. they are active with fake news. they are active with supporting political parties there, a lot of things we don't hear about here, russian build up of forces on the borders of the baltic states, what is happening in the black sea. many military activities that are there that are threatening to our nato allies. and they look to the united states. >> yeah. steve, so the question is, so what happens if putin divides the west? >> well, that's a great and scary question, don. i mean, you know, i can imagine in my mind's eyin getting up every morning and looking out over the kremlin walls. he sees the russian federation and beyond the borders nato. one of his most significant strategic goals is to weaken and drive edge wedges in nato and the key nato partner, which is the united states. if you look at the past couple
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of months it's been a really good run. nato i think is in someone unchartered waters politically. we are seeing some cracks and additions showing up. they might get reput together in an interesting way, but that's too soon to tell. he has to be pleased at that sort of problem for nato at least. and then of course the united states he has managed to kind of just stir things up and get so much smoke and stuff up in the air that it's taking attention away from important things. general clark mentioned the baltics. i think it was critical for the president to mention article five and to weigh into that, that's the joint protection clause in the nato treaty. but the baltics were waiting for a strong reassertion of that, because they are the small countries really right up against russia and they have to depend on nato for their protection. they got it afterwards from the spokesmen and stuff but they wanted to hear it from the man himself and they didn't. there were some mistakes made. i think putin is happy about the
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way thing are going now in nato. >> jack, do you think americans are naive when it comes to the russians. >> very much so. first of all, let me agree with what was just said. it feels like the '70s when the soviet union was busily trying to pry away third world countries from western influence one by one by one. and it looks like a repeat of what we had in those days. and we are helping. we are not -- at this point, we are not really putting up the resistance that we should, which means a unified resistance amongst the nato countries, but also within the united states. the partisan bickering that we have been engaged in here is absolutely -- it saddens me quite frankly. when we get to a point when politics seems to trump -- no pun intended -- policy, we have got a problem. we need to fix it. we have more in common as
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americans than either one of us has in common with the common enemy. >> welcome to the club. trump's truth and reality as well, jack. and now you say policy. and this is the world we live in right now. thank you all. appreciate it. when we come back, sean spicer staying president is pleased with his team. but that's not what we are hearing. is there a big staff shakeup around the corner?
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name to be chris whippel. first the white house is in crisis. the russia is probe is going on, it's getting closer to the president. ultimately you say the scandal is one of incompetence, right? >> it is a white house in crisis in all the obvious ways. now of course they are playing defense against a potential scandal that may or may not end like watergate. but fundamentally, this is a crisis of competence. i mean, in every basic way of governing this white house has no idea what it's doing, from executing executive orders which they clearly have been unable to do, to conceiving coherent legislation to prioritizing the president's agenda to communicating -- none of it is working. and what that tells me, and what i learned from interviewing all the living white house chiefs is that that all fundamentally comes from the president through an empowered white house chief of staff. and governing is tough.
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governing is nothing like -- >> say that again about the white house chief of staff. what comes through again? >> all of these basic governing skills in the white house. the communications. everybody being on the same page. >> it depose through -- you mean a -- >> it all comes down from a white house chief of staff. >> a competent chief of staff. >> competent ten white house chief of staff. >> everyone who has worked in the white house. historian, the david gergen type of adviser they have all said the exact same thing that the white house chief of staff is where it all comes from, besides the president. if this person is incompetent then it is a mess. >> every president learns this the hard way. it took jimmy carter two years to realize he had to appoint a white house chief. he thought he could run the white house himself. gerald ford, it was a disaster. it is exactly what donald trump is trying to do right now. it doesn't work. >> what are you take about the
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chief of staff. ? >> well i think in reince prieb priebus's case it's not all his fault. >> how does anyone, chief of staff donald trump? >> i think fundamentally this is on donald trump. donald trump has to decide, you know, ron reagan was an outsider president who realized he needed a consummate insider james a. baker iii to execute his outsider agenda. that's a lesson trump hasn't learned until he does he is going to be stalled. >> tim, do you think he should get rid of his chief of staff? >> he has to have a chief of staff he respects. >> you done think he respects reince priebus. >> clearly not. because then he wouldn't be tweeting something that directly contradicted what sean spicer is saying to the press. today sean spicer was saying the relationship with merkel is spew pesche it's growing. >>st this is what i have to say
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to that. you didn't have to have the soup on. all you had to do was look at the body language there. i did have the sound on. some of it i watched with the sound off because it was my long weekend and i didn't want the hear it. come on. did you see it? did you see the images? did you see him pushing past people? did you see the leader's bodily reaction. remember during the gulf war and people didn't want to go over to europe. oh, my gosh here come the ugly americans. that's what it felt like. it was embarrassing as an american. i was like oh, my gosh. >> you know, if you knowly the problem is that -- fund lee the problem is like -- it's almost as though he needs an intervention where somebody goes in and closes the door to the oval office and says look if you want to be jimmy carter and have one term or worse keep doing exactly what you are doing. if you want to be ronald reagan, you need to empower a white house chief and he needs to fine
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his over equivalent of jim bakker or leon panneta, somebody who can come into the oval office and say twitter is great, it is a bully pulpit, wonderful, but you have got to run it by me first. >> it's also childish, let's face it. it's childish because the aspect is i know you are, but what am i? that's how twitter comes off. they are effective ways to use twitter but not ps policy. it's bad more faerk, fake news, i know you are but what am i, here's what sean spieser said about trump and the administration. >> i think the president is pleased with his team and he has arow just agenda that he looks forward with congress to get done to achieve results for the people of america. ultimately the best messenger is the president himself, he is the best messenger for what he wants to articulate. the american people resoundingly chose him as the president because he understands the
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frustrations and concerns and the uls have a of the american people and he is the best person to communicate that. >> do you think you have done a the best job with the messaging so far. >> i think he is frustrated to see stories coming out stories hare patently false, narratives that are wrong, quote, unquote, fake news. >> it is a long weekend, i think he got rest. i don't think he believes what he is saying, there is no energy. the president is the best messenger, he exudes energy to those around him. it's like west world, right, repeating these. >> anybody who studies cold war history would think this was a kremlin press statement. >> he's his own best messenger. and you are talking about staff shakeups and chief of staff. do you think he could delegate that power to someone else,
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relinquish power and tell me what to do, how do i make myself better and this administration better? >> in most cases presidents learn from people, they listen to people. ron reagan, he realized it was a disaster. he set up a system that was going to collapse. californians came in and didn't know how the run the white house. he listens to james bake, he baker, who was in ifr if a of george herbert walker bush. reagan understand it. carter understood. it clinton took lessons. clinton's white house was also collapsing a year in. does donald trump have the ability to take advice from people? he's a man who has nothing but contempt for washington. these other people, these other presidents actually believe washington could work. i'm not sure he does. and i'm not sure he's going to be able to take any advice. >> it sounds like he has contempt for those people around him. >> one x told me sometimes that presidents have to hit rock bottom to make a change like
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this. it happened with bill clinton. with jimmy carter two and a half years in. you have to wonder whether donald trump would recognize rock bottom if he saw it. but that's what it may take. >> yeah, yeah. i keep hearing we have to give him time. it's been almost six months. how much time? how much? people want to give -- give him the reasonway. >> at least four years. >> he is going to run out of runway. when we come back, three men stepped up to stop an anti-muslim tirade against teenage girls in portland. two of those men lost their lives. the president's response has some people upset. we'll explain why next.
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a man accused of failingly stabbing two people and wounding another on a portland commuter train was in court today, defiant and angry. >> free speech. you have got no safe place. this is america. get out if you don't like free speech. death to the enemies of america. leave this country if you hate our freedom. death to -- you call it
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terrorism. i call it patriotism. you hear me? die. >> the suspect, jeremy joseph christian allegedly launched an antianswered muslim tirade at two young women on the train one wearing a hijab. three men tried to calm him down. he stabbed all three. joining me, a possibly to talk aboutish you a. welcome the show. dean i'm going to start with you. i know you feel strongly about this horrible incident. >> it is horrific. i mean these people who stood up were the best in america. they three americans who stood up for people in need. they were confronted with evil. white supremacist terrorism. that's what this is. we have had four americans killed until the last three months by people who espouse
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white supremacist terrorist. he will use radical islam all day and all night except when he goes to saudi. if you won't say it bay name you can't stop it. are we going to have another dylann roof, or like when the man walked into a mosque and killed six muslims praying. donald trump needs to allocate resources from the fbi and law enforcement to neutralize white supremacist terrorism. that's what it's called. >> here's one of the woman who said the man got on the train and began to yell antimuslim slurs at her and her friend. >> he told us to go back to saudi arabia and that we shouldn't be here and get out of his country. he was telling us we prospect anything and we should just kill ourselves. >> thank you to the people who put their life on the line for me. because they didn't even know me. and they lost their lives
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because of me and i friend, and the way we looked. and i just want to say thank you to them and their family. and that i appreciate them. because without them, we probably would be dead right now. >> so sha michael authorities say the suspect seen here in a facebook video has a long and documented history of white supremacy activity in portland. and joust hours before his horrific train attack there is cell phone video that appears to show him making threats against african-american women. what do you make of all of this? >> it's disheartening i think as the first commentator mentioned we have seen an increase in these types of acts and acts of violence. i think in part it could be o argued that it could be attributed to last year's election. i think people who exhibited the
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worst forms of the human condition now feel they have a green light to speak out on those views, views that we have as a nation tried by and large to move past and suppress. i think it's incumbent upon our leaders including the president to speak out more aggressively against these things and to work on as diligently as possible bringing the country together. i don't think we are seeing enough of that. >> andres, do you think it's incumbent upon president to speak out more so than in a tweet that came three days later. >> i think it's incumbent upon the president to speak out, absolutely. this is a deranged individual, make no mistake who has fallen through the cracks frankly of law enforcement time and time and time again. he dman demonstrated he doesn't live within the confines of laws and slipped through and probably hadn't been given a stuff enough sentence in many of the other things he has done. certainly the president has made a stand. he has tweeted about it. but we all as a community and as a nation need to stand out
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against any type of individuals that demonstrate this over and over again. you only should get so many chances, don. and this individual has gotten more than he ever should have gotten. >> what did you say you wanted to call it. >> white supremacist terrorism. >> do you think the president needs to call it white supremacist terrorism like he says radical islam? andres. >> are you asking me that, don. >>ia you. >> i don't know what he needs to call it but he needs to stomp it out. and it shouldn't be tolerated. it is a difficult time in this country. it scares me that we are at this level of fervor. this individual clearly shouldn't have been on the streets and we know that by the long past that this individual had. >> i want tom to get in. he is saying this is a law enforcement issue. not to cut you off andres. but you are saying it is a law enforcement issue or an issue that has to do with the law that he has gotten too many chances.
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des . >> look, first of all my condolences to the families and our best wishes to the gentleman that survived. we still live in a very racist, sexist, homophobic, trans phobic, islamophobic nation. let's call it what it is. it is a sad state of affairs we are in. the president has to set the tone as to where we are in this country. is it acceptable behavior or not? it has to come from the top down. when it comes to psychos running around on the streets spewing this diarrhea, the police can onto do so much. by deinstitutionalization we have a number of psychologically troubled people running around on our streets. we can't control all of them. >> don't you want people to step up when they hear something like this? >> yes. >> absolutely. i hear things all the time. sometimes i don't react to them, but i think if they're obnoxious enough and over the line i will say something. but you don't want people to
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feel they can without being stabbed to death? >> you know, don, what we saw the other day, as the gentleman mentioned earlier, we saw the worst of america and best of america. we saw someone with deep rooted issues that run through the veins of this country still to this day in 2017, which is a huge problem, but then we saw three gentlemen jump out of nowhere to stand up and say no, this is not acceptable. the line is drawn here and it is not going to go any further. you are not going to harm these women, regardless of who they are, who they preach or what they believe. unacceptable behavior. >> quickly. >> i don't think we can dismiss this attacker as mentally derange willed. there's no evidence of it whatsoever. i think we do it for white people who commit horrible acts they're deranged. if you are black, a thug. if you're a muslim, you're a terrorist. it doesn't keep our nation safe. until we have evidence he is mentally deranged -- >> violent hate crimes that
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happened 34 days after he won the election they counted a total of 1,000 bias incidents around the nation, 37% of them directly referenced either president trump and his campaign slogans, 37%. that's a lot. is that sort of you casting -- >> i would point out, don, my understanding this was a bernie supporter. to throw it on -- >> he was also a trump supporter. he hated hillary clinton. he talked about bernie and about trump both together, but he just hated hillary clinton. >> well, again, i don't know that you can fault the president on this one. i mean we've continued to rise, you know, when you look at famous people having a hand with blood on them, what we're starting to tolerate as a nation -- >> andre, i know we have a delay and i don't mean to cut you off, but on the largest point of what tom lehman said, the president needs to set the tone in the country. >> and i don't disagree with tom
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back now with my panel, shemichael, you were making a point. what did you want to say? >> i was going to say if you look at our history as a country and society, and previous times in the past where we dealt with similar situations, the president of the united states did step up to lead. a leader is supposed to guide people as a collective, as a group, and i think regardless of republicans or democrats, that is the expectation that we must maintain for any individual that maintains the office of the presidency. i think, look, the president made a lot of statements last year that as i've stated earlier, i do believe gave the green light to a lot of people similar to this individual who act upon some of their believes i think otherwise were suppressed prior to. think we as a society have to work as a collective and have the expectation for the president to lead us into a direction that maintains a belief that we hold true as
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americans, that all people regardless of your sexual orientation or your ethnicity are equal. we're not seeing that today, don. i have to tell you that should be concerning to all of us. >> yeah, no matter what. democrat, republican, independent, whatever it is. okay. so i want to move on because we're getting close to the end of the show. i want to talk about kathy griffin. apologizing after a photo -- we're not showing it -- showing her holding a bloody donald trump head in her hand. here is what she posted on twitter tonight. >> hey, everybody. it is me, kathy griffin. i sincerely apologize. i am just now seeing the reaction of these images. i'm kooming. i crossed the line. i move the line and then i cross it. i went way too far. the image is too disturbing. i understand how it offends people. it wasn't funny, i get it. i made a lot of mistakes in my career, i will continue. i ask your forgiveness. taking down the image, going to ask the photographer to take down the image and beg for your
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forgiveness. i went too far, i made a mistake and i was wrong. >> there is no excuse for what she did. it was inappropriate, it was gross, and she apologized. do you think it was sincere? >> i think it was very sincere and i think it was great what she did. it was a horrible picture. i could deflect and bring up ted nugent as trump supporters bring up -- >> but it is about kathy griffin. >> yes. it doesn't help. it lets people on the right look what the left is about. violent imagery is horrible, it is wrong. she apologized, hope we can move forward, but i think it is going to haunt her for a little while. >> andre, you want to respond to this? >> well, you know, we all got to come together as americans. i defend her right to do it. i don't think it was appropriate but i don't think it was, you know, what madonna said the day after the inauguration, you know. all of 'em have to -- you know, there needs to be some filter and i think we've gone too far as americans on what we're
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willing to tolerate, and i think it crossed the line but she made an effort to fix her what i think was a bad move, so good for her. >> it is interesting. i don't know if i have ever heard kathy griffin apologize so it may be a first. it is not like her to apologize, right? >> no. >> yeah, there you go. we will be right back.
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in the city of chicago, violence knows no age limit. last year chicago saw its highest homicide rate. some young people on the south side are afraid to go outside. this week's cnn heroes is determined to give those kids their childhood back. >> we're in a state of emergency here in the stiff chicago. the shooting, the killing. 5, 6, 7-year-olds, they are losing people that they love and care about. i'm a law enforcement officer but i'm also a mother and a member of this community. we can't arrest our way out of this. once i saw that there was another side to policing, i thought that i could do more.
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