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>> on that note, thank you all for joining us. i'm poppy harlow. >> i'm john berman. "at this hour" with kate bolduan starts right now. this is cnn breaking news. thank you, john. thank you, poppy. hello, everyone. i am kate bolduan. the president is facing a moment of truth on the global stage. will he stay or will he go? when it comes to climate change, two senior government officials now say the president plans to walk away from the paris a and the nations that signed on. i will be announcing my decision on the paris accord on the next few days. make america great again. pulling out of the paris agreement would mean the campaign promise fulfilled and it would mark a major break from most of the world when it comes to dealing with climate change and another major break from the obama administration. where do things stand right now?
cnn's joe johns is at the white house following all of this. joe, what are you hearing right now? >> this has been a very hard fought decision here at the white house, kay, and there have been people all over the place on this issue and we picked up information just this last weekend that the president apparently had made. this decision wasn't confirmed through sources in a reportable fashion until today and we also have to caution that according to sources the president could change his mind and he's been known to do that even after issues get floated in public sometimes by his communication and there's that caveat. the way it breaks down here at the white house has been very complicated and steve bannon, one of the president's key advisers very much wanted the president to pull out of the paris accord and fulfill the campaign promise he made because the president had always argued it was bad for business. ivanka trump, the president's
daughter had encouraged the president to look very carefully at every angle. jared kushner, we are told, was neutral on the issue. the secretary of state rex tillerson was one of the people who did not want the president to pull the united states out of the paris accord. a big question, of course, in the long term is how he does that, whether he does it slow or fast and that could make a lot of difference to how other nations view it. kate, back to you. >> how he announces it. what method they decide to take and exactly, what exactly the president is going to announce, but it is leaking out drip by drip at least where the president is leaning at at this hour at 11:02. thank you, joe. we appreciate it very, very much. what if the president of the united states withdraws from the paris climate deal? it's a big deal and there's someone who knows a lot about it. cnn columnist john sutter. you spent years writing and reporting about climate change.
this is your moment so you need to educate us. for those folks who know it as the paris climate deal and haven't jumped into it, what is in the agreement? >> so the paris agreement is really the guiding sort of north star for the world on the issue of climate change and it sets this one really specific goal which is that we don't want warming to increase more than 2 degrees celsius and that sounds sort of wonky and abstract, but it basically means an end to the fossil fuel era some time this century. so it's more of a goal and a promise to the world and a promise to future generations than an exact road map of how that happens. i've seen the paris agreement described as a potluck dinner and each country brings its own plan to the table for how it's going to reduce the pollution and all of our parties is it is our shared goal and purpose to limit warming below 2 degrees celsius to avoid the catastrophic impacts of climate change and things like rising seas and drowned coastal cities
and mass extinction in the animal world. it's serious stuff. >> how binding is it? >> i've kind of heard from a lot of folks that it's not so binding. it's voluntary. >> it is a binding agreement in its whole, but the actual, those plans that the countries brought forward, those are not legally binding and there are a lot of people saying the trump administration wouldn't have anything to lose by staying in this agreement and they could pursue whatever energy policies they wanted. on the one hand, not meet the pledges that president obama made as part of the paris process and that they wouldn't be slapped a fine, for example, because of that. it's sort of like a good path agreement. they do have particular measures for re-upping amendments or re-issuing them. it's trying to get the countries to work together toward ending the fossil fuel era and it was palatable to the agreement because it didn't have these fines and levees for people that
backtracked on the agreement. >> a potluck dinner and quite a big one. great to see you, john. we appreciate it. we will lean on you heavily as we continue to discuss this. let's look at the politics which are heavy and everywhere. chief political correspondent dana bash is here and cnn politics reporter and editor-at-large crist aliza is here. joe johns said it very well. they're all over the place when you look at the white house. there has been a whole lot of leadup to this decision, warring factions within the white house on the agreement, even leaks of the packs are meeting to discuss where they stand on the agreement for weeks. what do you think this came down to? >> if i were to guess, and i think this is an educated guess, it is the fact that at the end of the day president trump, my understanding from sources, asks one important question which is
are we doing that would make the people who sent me here happy, the base, the trump supporters at their core and at the end of the day he tends to err on the side of i want to make sure that we dance with the people who brought me here, and it is so true that this has been the most intense debate inside the white house to date because -- and it's obvious because it's been delayed so many times and there have been very big differences. on the one hand, you do have those who never mind the issue of climate change, just opposed to the idea of the u.s. being involved in such an international agreement, those who want to look inward and don't want to be tied up with other countries like that and that could affect this country economically and on the other side, you, of course, have people like his daughter ivanka trump who has been -- particularly before her father
ran for president in the beginning of the administration and the transition very open about the fact that she wanted to help push her father towards the more climate change position, the position that would have kept him in the paris agreement. that didn't win out. >> yeah. so, chris, when it comes down to it does that mean the ivanka trumps and the gary cohen and the rex tillerson and james mattis of the white house, they lost. >> yes, candidly, but i think a lot of this, kate, has to do with the fact that donald trump listens to people, but then he just does what he wants to do at the end of the day. he takes some opinion, but i do think dana's point is the most important one. he wants to make sure the people who got him elected are the people he's thinking about first. remember the image that we have of steve bannon's office in the white house. the white board with the campaign promises and there are a lot of them that donald trump made and steve bannon crossing
off the ones that he had accomplished, believing the theory of the case being well, in four years if we can say we said we would do these things and we did them that enough people would say donald trump affected change. i'm going to be for him. well, assuming the reporting -- assuming donald trump doesn't change his mind, which is always possible. this is another thing that steve bannon can cross off the list and that appears to be the sort of defining final decision making thing that donald trump latches on to, and i think you've seen that in a number of things, tpp. talk about building the wall. the keystone pipeline and a lot of these major decisions where he's had some back and forth. he's chosen to side with what he knows the base wants and what he promised on the campaign trail. >> so, dan, more broadly, then. there are big questions -- and this is included side what is going on within the white house
right now. you've got continued rumors of a shake-up that's been happening for a while. word that the president was going to be changing his twitter practices, but clearly, that did not happen, as we saw overnight. >> i was going to say covfefe, and we can fight that later and less on-camera briefings from the white house and more cabinet officials will come out to act as spokespeople. what does this all add up to mean. >> that the people around donald trump are trying. donald trump understands that there are problems and there are problems in the fact that they have been in a defensive crouch for the past, you know, month or two really since the sort of blip of success which is the obamacare repeal passing the house and other international stories. for the most part they've been in the defensive crouch because of the steady stream of stories
coming out about russia and the involvement. >> yeah. >> and frankly, the fact that they haven't been forthcoming and it's made it worse. so this is -- certainly, there is an attempt to try to turn the ship. look, you have to feel for these people who work in the white house, who understand what it takes to do it, but they're undermined when they have a president who has an impulse to tweet whether it is something that's unintelligible. it looked like he was trying to say coverage, but unintelligible at midnight and that's the ultimate illustration of how people it is for people in the white house, rar room or not. >> when you hear that line. is it covfefe or covfefe? whose team are you on? >> i'm more of a covfefe. i can't decide if that's elitist or not. >> oh, interesting! hadn't thought of that. >> i'm kidding! you write about this kind of hysteria, and this tells you everything you need to know
about donald trump. what exactly is that? >> dana touched on it and i'll make the point more broadly which is that the president of the united states shouldn't be tweeting at 12:06 a.m. and back up at 5:00 a.m. and 6:00 a.m. tweeting again. this is someone who has grown increasingly isolated in the white house. he was isolated from the start. donald trump's inner circle has always been his family. his sons are walled off of him because of conflict of interest concerns. ivanka and jared kushner, his son-in-law, are members of the white house and they have three young children, melania trump and barron, his son, do not live in washington at the moment though they are moving and he's always been someone who is isolated. i always return to the new york times piece by glen tlush a few months ago. the image of donald trump in hass bathrobe puttering around his house, the white house, watching television and
tweeting. that's not dissimilar to the chris eliza plan, but i'm not the president of the united states. >> the point is this is the president of the united states. dana's right. there are members of his staff who absolutely have told him you should not tweet as much. you should put the phone down. don't tweet every time you see something on cable you like or don't like. he doesn't listen. that's why all of this talk about a staff shake-up. the problem with the white house right now has a name, donald john trump. it's not sean spicer, reince priebus and steve bannon. he is the central player here and he doesn't want to change. >> while it is an unsatisfactory answer when it comes from the white house briefing room, the tweet speaks for itself is as much as sean spicer can say most of the time when you think about all of this in context. great to see you guys.
now i have an image of chris cillizza's bathrobe. >> thanks, guys. president trump is giving leaders his personal cell phone number which could be a major securist breach or security risk at the very least. a former cia operative joining me to discuss. an awkward moment at the state department what stumped a state department spokesman. what actually happened here? we have insight and how he reacted about what the question was. breaking news, a man has been arrested inside the trump international hotel in washington with two guns, 90 rounds of ammunition and we're getting word he may have been discussing and may have been plotting of an assassination. we have details coming in from police. that's ahead. as you do. but do they need help making more of their own tears? if you have chronic dry eye caused by reduced tear production due to inflammation, restasis multidose™ can help...
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personal attorney, michael cohen who has long worked with has declined an invitation from kick to discu congress to discuss what he knows. cnn's m.j. lee is joining us with more details. that's just two. there's more now, m.j. >> that's right. this investigation is so expansive and so fast moving that it is hard to keep track of exactly who is who and to what extent they're cooperating. at the moment, the justice department as well as the house and the senate are looking into whether there was potential inappropriate contact between russians and members of trump's inner orbit. now let's just walk through some of the key people who have come under scrutiny and to what extent they're cooperating with this investigation. first we have jared kushner, donald trump's son-in-law and trump adviser. we also have paul manafort, trump's former campaign manager. he has already turned over some documents to the committee.
roger stone, long time trump friend is also cooperating and michael flynn, trump's ex-national security adviser who is really at the center of these investigations has said he would invoke his fifth amendment rights and now he is expected to turn over some documents to senate intel. others have also been a little more reluctant and less forthcoming in cooperating with this investigation and that includes michael cohen, as you mentioned, trump's personal lawyer. he has said he will not cooperate with the house and the senate although he did say to cnn earlier this week that if congress issues a subpoena he will cooperate and carter page, this is a man who advised donald trump on the issue of foreign policy. he said that he would testify before the house intel committee, but the committee itself has not said whether he would testify. so unclear right now if and when he actually will do that. speaking of carter page, one big question right now is how much involvement did he actually have with the trump campaign?
of course, page himself has said that he did not have much of a role and white house officials have gone as far as to say that president trump didn't even know the person, but take a look at this tweet from donald trump earlier today.
i'll just read it out loud. he wrote, quote, so now it is reported that the democrats who have excoriated carter page about russia don't want him to testify. he blows away their case against him and now wants to clear his name by showing the false or misleading testimony by james comey, john brennan. witch hunt. this sounds like a pretty sympathetic thing to say about someone he doesn't know and of course, this ongoing investigation could reveal the extent of trump's relationship with carter page. kate? >> definitely a part of of that investigation that could come out in the end. thank you so much for laying it out. a lot of moving parts and a lot of people to be tracking at this point with the russian investigation. meantime, the russian investigation is reaching closer to the oval office, specifically to the desk of the president's senior adviser and son-in-law,
jared kushner. the white house so far is not confirming or denying whether kushner sought to establish a back channel to the kremlin during the transition as has been reported. listen to this. >> did the president discuss it, though? >> i'm not going to get into what the president did or did not discuss. what your question assumes is a lot of facts that are not substantiated by anything, but anonymous sources that are so far being leaked out. >> does he approve of that action? >> you're asking if he approves of an action that is not a confirmed action. that being said, i think secretary kelly and general mcmaster have both discussed that in general terms back channels are an appropriate part of diplomacy. >> does the white house dispute that that happened? >> i'm not going to get into it, your question presupposes facts that have not been confirmed. >> with me now is lindsay graham, former cia operative and author of "blowing my cover as a cia spy." thanks for coming in. >> thanks for having me.
>> on the topic of back channels. they say back channels are an appropriate part of diplomacy and they've happened throughout many presidencies. on the most basic level, how important are they? what can back channels do that regular channels simply can't, lindsay? >> back channels are an appropriate part of diplomacy, but generally handled by intelligence agencies and intelligence operatives, so it is concerning to hear of jared kushner kind of unilaterally creating his own back channel line of communication. at its core back channel communication is an espionage term. what we're trying to recruit a source we sometimes tell them that we are exactly the back channel line of communication that can get their secret information to washington policymakers. so that's why i think it is so concerning. what's also concerning is that jared kushner has not disclosed contacts, unofficial contacts with russians which is actually
a complete breach of security protocol. >> so on a different type of communication, i guess. let me ask you about this, the president has apparently been handing out his cell phone number to world leaders. we are told that he offered it to the french president last week during his travels and the associated press has reported that he did the same with the leaders of canada and mexico. it is not strange for you and me, of course, to exchange phone numbers. why is this something still today in this day and age, why is this something that world leaders do not do? >> sure. at its most benign level, again, it's a breach of diplomatic protocol, but at a more alarming level, it shows a complete disregard for security. cell phones are incredibly vulnerable. there's a reason why we don't discuss sensitive information or secret information over cell phones. there's a reason why we don't take cell phones into skiffs or other secure areas.
so by doling out his cell phone number to whoever, it makes the president vulnerable and it in turn makes our country vulnerable. how do we know what he's talking about on his cell phone? the cell phone can be used to locate the president. it can be used to figure out who he's talking to. it comes across as not only reckless, but just stupid. >> if and when president trump makes a call from his cell phone, who could be listening? anyone could be listening. certainly his cell phone could be vulnerable to foreign adversaries and any intelligence agency if we have the cell phone of an enemy, even of an ally. we saw what happened with angela merkel. >> right. >> we're going to want to exploit that and our enemies, likewise, will want to exploit a vulnerable cell phone. the president has made his cell phone vulnerable by handing it out to other world leaders. >> we will see what happens with that cell phone number and see if a repeat of the election of he and lindsay graham happens with the leaders. i doubt it, but we'll see.
thanks for coming in. thanks so much. >> it was a moment that went viral. see what question seemed to stump him and also what really happened here? what was the reaction? plus as president trump gets ready to decide on how many troops to keep in afghanistan, does he want to add additional troops to afghanistan? that's a big question just as a major attack happens near one of the world's embassies there. dozens and dozens are dead and hundreds injured. we'll take you there. ♪ with this level of intelligence... it's a supercomputer. with this grade of protection... it's a fortress. and with this standard of luxury... it's an oasis. the 2017 e-class. it's everything you need it to be... and more. lease the e300 for $569 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz.
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we have breaking news out of ka afghanistan. cnn has learned americans have been hurt in afghanistan. the blast was just massive, one of the dead liest attacks in the afghan capital in years. at least 80 people were killed and it seems the death toll is rising. it happened in a part of the city where all of the foreign embassies are and of course, it was during the busy rush hour. let's got over to cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr. what are you picking up? >> good morning, kate. we are learning from two u.s. officials and they do believe at least seven u.s. citizens injured in this attack, several of them may have been actually assigned to work at the u.s. embassy, not clear if they were formally state department personnel or contractors, but when people work in kabul affiliated with the u.s. government they are generally assigned under the u.s. embassy. regardless of where their paycheck came from, we have
several americans working in kabul this morning injured in this attack along with nationals from other countries and of course, afghans bearing the brunt of this absolute disaster. a u.s. official that was at the site a short time ago tells me the crater that this bomb left was at least 20 feet deep, more than 40 feet wide. this was apparently a water tanker truck that pulled up to an afghan police checkpoint in this area where the embassies are located. they were stop by the afghan police and that's when the bomber detonated the truck causing all of this. the afghan police in the view of u.s. officials really the heroes today. if this truck had made it several more feet it could have been even worse. as bad as it is with so many afghan civilians hurt and so many afghans killed, the u.s. trying to make a determination who was behind this and who was responsible and it really
strikes at the heart of the afghan government and at the heart of the effort by so many nations to help this country get on its feet. kate? >> it's just amazing when you see the video and the perspective you're offering. seven americans, barbara reports, among those injured in that massive attack. this comes as the trump administration has been thinking about considering contemplating sending more troops to afghanistan. how could this brazen and horrific attack affect that decision? let me bring in diplomatic analyst and retired rear admiral ron kirby who worked at the state department and the pentagon for many years. good to see you. >> thanks. good to be here. >> thank you. we know that the pentagon has asked for up to 5,000 additional troops to go to afghanistan. this is yet another decision that the white house has been really mulling over and divided on. folks have described it as a mini surge. do you think today's attack changes the calculation? >> i don't know that it will change the calculation of the decision making process here as
you rightly point out there are different camps. the military wants more troops and people in the white house who oppose that. i do think, however, that this attack underscores the dangerous situation that sub cysts in afghanistan and kabul in particular. we've seen attacks in the green zone before. i haven't seen one of this magnitude in a very, very long time, and it does underscore how important it is to continue a mission of improving the capabilities and the skill sets of the afghan national security forces. if you look at the press release they put out today the afghan national security force performed well in responding to this attack and it's important that we remain committed to continue to perform well. it will certainly factor into the backdrop. i don't know that it itself will manifest a certain decision. >> yes. we still await that decision and here's another one i want to lean on your state department experience. the white house is facing a deadline tomorrow on whether or not to move the u.s. embassy in israel from tel aviv to
jerusalem, or if they defer it for another six months and that is how this has worked and this is something that we know that the president promised during the election. what do you think is holding him up? what do you think that he's learned since coming into office that is holding him up on this decisions oso far. maybe his meeting with president abbas might have helped cover that. i certainly hope so. it's an easy thing to say that on the campaign trail and he's not an easy guy to do that, but when you get into discussions and you realize how difficult the situation is and how tense it is and how moving those embassies will have the tensions and it's not quite so simple is picking up stakes and moving it there. there's potentially, potentially and this is what we used to say at the state department and ramifications in terms of the safety and security of not justice railis and palestinians, but even americans and american tourists and americans working over there. i think we need to be very
careful here. >> very interesting and they're being careful because this decision is taking longer than a lot of folks expected it would. >> i think that's wise. i think that's wise. >> great to see you, john. thank you. coming up, a possible assassination attempt averted. police arresting a man with two guns, 90 rounds of ammo and he was at the trump international hotel in washington, d.c. this is after a woman called authorities about a man that she said he wanted to kill the president. details on that ahead. plus the suspect in a deadly stabbing rampage on that portland train going on a vulgar tirade in the courtroom. he did it right in front of one of the survivors of the brutal attack. >> free speech or die, portland. you have no safe place. this is america, get out if you don't like free speech. you call it terrorism. i call it patriotism. that's why you drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals.
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new this morning, what could be an expected question coming at the state department on elections in saudi arabia and iran. it seemed to stump a veteran state department official stewart jones and that moment went viral. watch what happened. >> well while you were over there the secretary you did so standing next to saudi official. how do you characterize saudi arabia's commitment to democracy and is it a barrier against extremism? >> um -- uh -- i think what we'd
say is at this meeting we were able to make significant progress with saudi and gcc partners in both making a strong statement against extremism and also -- and also putting -- putting place certain measures through this gcc mechanism where we can combat extremism. clearly, one source of extremism, one terrorism threat is coming from iran and that's coming from a part of the iranian apparatus that is not at all responsive to its electorate. >> everybody, thank you.
okay. let me bring in right now cnn global affairs cnn elise labott. >> that was a long pause. on tv, a second feels like an hour, for sure, and i'm sure stuart jones felt the very same way. you've sat in on these briefings and stuart jones is a state department -- >> former ambassador to iraq and jordan. >> he's faced many a tough question. what happened here? >> you know, i think he just had a moment and didn't really realize, you see towards the end he was trying to move the conversation back to iran and away from the saudis and try to focus on iran and he recognizes that he took too long and ideally you don't do these things on live television, but i don't think it was in any way, you know, a contradiction of u.s. policy. i just think he was looking for the right words to say -- and just took too long. i mean, for all of us. >> for everyone involveded.
>> yeah. >> one thing we know about the state department and the trump administration, is it has been plagued by understaffing and a slow ramp up and he is not someone who is usually in front of the camera doing these types of press briefings. is that a symptom of understaffing? >> i think what they're trying to do is, look, the whole state department press corps and the american public, and certainly members of congress are frustrated that there's no state department briefing where you can talk about u.s. policy and what the state department is trying to do is get the officials who are not doing state department briefings and they talked about venezuela and they talked about the president's trip. there was something on nato and these officials who aren't usually out in prime time doing the briefings are making these calls. there is a spokesman, heather nower used to be at fox and she's getting up to speed on the issues and will be briefing soon where hopefully the press corps is looking forward to having
that daily discussion about issues. i think in this particular case, everyone recognizes that it wasn't his finest hour, but i think it's a larger symptom of the fact that we need that daily briefing and need to be talking about these issues every day and certainly with someone who is able to talk about them fully. >> you need to read them faster. >> great to see you. thank you so much. this just in. first lady melania trump is responding to the picture that kathy griffin put out showing a mock beheading of president trump. what the first lady is now saying. that's next. pampers. unlike ordinary diapers with two layers, pampers have three absorbent layers to stay up to three times drier, so babies can sleep soundly all night.
this just in from the office of the first lady, melania trump a prop atly condemned the picture of kathy griffin holding what looks like the severed head of the president. as a mother, a wife and human being that photo is disturbing which you consider some of the atrocities happening in the world today. a photo opportunity like this is
simply wrong and makes you wonder about the mental health of the person who did it. that, the first lady speaking out for the first time about that widely condemned photo. kathy griffin has apologized for that photo opportunity. let's turn back to the president and breaking news today. world leaders are reacting now with concern to the news that president trump is expected to pull out of the paris climate accord. the other g7 nations, germany, france, japan, canada, uk and italy have urged president trump to remain a part of the agreement, but two sources tell cnn that the president is expected to pull the united states out of that deal. the president tweeting this just this morning, that he plans to make his decision over the next -- announce his decision over the next few days ending with, make america great again. the impact on the world stage and the president's world view. let's bring in fareed zakaria host of "fareed zakaria gps."
sources a he's expected to do and he can change his mind. this comes does this do damage to -- who cares about friendships but just relationships abroad. >> well, it damages i think importantly america's leadership role in the world, the idea that when there are common collective problems, it is the united states that sets the agenda. this is powerfully helped america over the last 70 years because it means these solutions are crafted with america's interests first and foremost with america's ideas first and foremost. two of trump's advisers said there is no such thing as a global community. there are only nations struggling for advantage. that's not actually true because there there are a lot of global problems. think about it. if china pollutes all our air and atmosphere gets spoiled, if china dumps oceans of plastic
into the ocean, it affects the whole world. that's why with those kinds of common global problems, climate change, disease, we've tried to craft global efforts because you don't want any one country to do it, but somebody has to lead. that's where we are now -- we're withdrawing from that leadership role. >> it gets to the world view, the america first kind of looking within rather than outward that the president campaigned on. but what does that mean in practice is a big question. you just mentioned two of his advisers that wrote the op-ed, his national security adviser and top economic adviser. kind of the point you're getting to. i'll read that. when he embarked on the first foreign trip, he had a clear-eyed outlook that the world is not a global community but an arena where nations, nongovernment counsel actors and businesses engage and compete for advantage. he gets to we imbrace that, rather than deny this elemental nature of international affairs,
we imbrace that. what are they trying to say here? >> there is always the sense that the united states is being taken advantage of or being ripped off. a lot of this speaks to the resentment that trump's base has with the idea that there are kind of professional globalist elites running the united states. but again, the core problem is, what they describe has been true for millennia. what's different in the last 70 years is the united states brought the world together and said look, we're still going to compete all the time. the has the largest army in the world larger than the next 20 countries put together. the united states believes in national interests and advantage. but there are a lot of common problems. there are problems relating to global trade, relating to global climate change, global pandemics, diseases. what should we do about those together so no one country has to bear the burden. if you renounce that role, you racial are renouncing the entire legacy of modern america in the world.
>> it's a big statement. i want to ask you about and get your perspective because a lot of folks have different perspectives where the relationship is right now with president trump and german chancellor angela merkel. you have a lot of folks saw what merkel said, they can't rely on the united states anymore. but sean spicer from the podium yesterday said in his view is the relationship is fairly unbelievable. when he said that, he meant that in a good way. the german ambassador was on this morning and downplayed any rift saying we had a good and productive relationship. we did then and do now. do you that's true or is there a fundamental shift in the relationship. >> i think there is a shift. actually, sean spicer admitted it when he quoted what merkel said which is we'll have to take things in our own hands. he said that's great, that's what the president wants. here's the problem with that. the united states has been the glue that has kept europe together that has kept it united and peaceful. remember, europe has been the site of most of the world's wars over the last 500 years causing
enormous damage to world trade. if you want stability, you want a stable europe. it's still 25, 30% of the world's gdp. if you have germany now saying we have to take care of our own interests, what will that mean once germany starts asserting itself? are the french going to be comfortable with that, are the poles comfortable with that? these are the countries invaded by germany in the past. all those issues didn't have to be dealt with because the united states was the kind of glue that kept it all together. the united states provided the leadership, the framework. if the united states says you're all on your own, they're all going to freelance now. that might work out fine but might turn out to be a bit of a roller coaster ride. we benefit or not. the bottom line is we are 5% of the world's population. if we want to have 25% of the world's economy, 25% of the world's goods, we have to trade, we have to interact and cooperate with the rest of the world. >> great to see you. thanks for the perspective. thank you. coming up, disturbing moment in court to show you.
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the man accused of fatally stabbing two men on a train in oregon goes off on a tirade the moment he is brought into the courtroom. watch. >> praise be to god portland. you got no safe place. this is america. get out if you don't like free speech. death to the enemies of america. leave this country if you mate our freedom. death. you call it terrorism. i call it patriotism. >> 954039. dean smith. >> he's charged with aggravated murder and attempted murder. police say he was taunting two girls on a train with
anti-muslim slurs and then police say he stabbed three men who step up to defend the girls. if convicted, he could face the death penalty. thank you guys so much for joining us at this hour. "inside politics" with john king" starts right now. thank you, kate. welcome to "inside politics." >> i'm john king. it's a busy day. fresh tweets from the president calling the russia investigation a witch hunt and attacking the former heads of the fbi and the cia. plus, the alternative reality that is the white house briefing room. but begin with breaking news in washington that has big global implications. president trump we are told will pull the united states from the paris climate change accords. this is a decision ta keeps a big campaign promise and one the president's america first team insists will create millions of new jobs at home. also a decision that rejects advice from pope