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peak energy wishes the united states had remained in. the impact on this state is still divided because they have also invested heavily in alternative energy. >> martin, thank you very much. we all need to understand the story. thanks for joining us. ac "360" starts now. >> good evening, the president of the united states kept a campaign promise with globe aim packets on the jobs and oceans in the world and whether they rise or fall. and he announced his intention to be one of three in this country, nicaragua and syria and now the united states. the president said he was striking a blow that would hamstring industry and put the country at a global disadvantage. he said he's elected to represent pittsburgh and not paris. the pittsburgh mayor is here and
disagrees with that decision. >> more on all tonight but first jim acosta. >> reporter: with the earth hanging in the balance, president trump stayed true to his political orbit. >> the united states will withdraw from the paris climate accord. >> reporter: after a fierce debate inside the white house that pitted steve bannon to pull out of the deal against his own daughter to stay in and said his administration will try to hammer out a new climate deal something of a compromise for ivanka. >> so we're getting out but we will start to negotiate and we will see if we can make a deal that's fair. if we can, that's great. if we can't, that's fine. >> reporter: the speech was steeped in campaign rhetoric as
a win for american workers in the heartland. >> i was elected to represent the citizens of pittsburgh, not paris. >> reporter: a loss for nations mr. trump accused of mocking the u.s. >> at what point does america get demeaned? at what point do they start laughing at us as a country? we want fair treatment for its citizens and we want fair treatment for our taxpayers. we don't want other leaders and other countries laughing at us any more, and they won't be. >> reporter: the president's move was instantly cheered by conservatives who feared the president would fail to keep a campaign promise repeated time and again. >> we're going to cancel the paris climate agreement. >> this is the moment we finally determined we would save our planet. >> reporter: former president obama who helped craft the paris deal criticized his
predecessor's decision. even as this country joins a small handful of nations, i'm confident that our states cities and businesses will step up and lead the way. and ceos pleaded with the president to stay in the deal. tesla's elon musk said he's stepping down from the climate board saying climate change is real and leaving paris is not good for america or the world. >> where were jared ivanka today? they did not appear for the president's speech. >> we did not see them but told by a white house official they were observing a synagogue this morning and ivanka trump stayed at home with her children. jared kushner did come to the white house and did not attend that speech. he had long standing meeting we're told by a white house official and went on to say he was involved in the process of the announcement.
one startling thing missing from that announcement today was an acknowledgement from the president that climate change was happening. there was a briefing today with reporters, top officials at the white house declined to say to reporters gathered here today that the president believes in climate change. we still don't have an answer to that question. >> global reaction in the tone to the statement where the president made it plain what the rest of the world thinks of this is not his main concern. so far the views are not positive. one president took the chance to speak out in english even using the president's favorite catch phrase to drive home his point. >> we all share the same responsibility, make our planet great again. >> that's not all he and other world leaders had to say. cnn's michelle kosinski has that angle. >> reporter: the world's reaction came fast and furious. >> the united states will withdraw. >> reporter: paris lit up its city hall green, canada's justin
trudeau expressing deep disappointment along with brazil, germany, france and italy, in a joint statement saying the paris climate agreement cannot be renegotiated despite president trump saying it's a possibility. >> it is not a future we wanted for ourselves. it is not a future we want for our children. >> reporter: the president of the european commission pulled no punches reminding the u.s. withdrawal from the deal is a years long process. >> translator: that's not how it works. the americans can't just leave the kilometer protection agreement. mr. trump believes that because he doesn't get close enough to dossiers to fully understand them. this notion, i am trump, i am american, american first and i will get out of it, that won't happen. we tried to explain that to mr. trump in clear german sentences. >> the vatican called the american decision a disaster for the planet. when the pope met with trump, he gave him his published thoughts
on the environment calling for a revolution on climate change before the earth devolves into quote an immense pile of filth. from the u.n. secretary general. >> climate change is undeniable. climate action is unstoppable and climate solutions provide opportunities that are unmatchable. >> reporter: some foreign policy experts including ones who served in republican administrations feel this decision now could have the greatest diminishing effects on the u.s.'s influence in the world. with china, india, europe, more than ready to step in and fill that void, the cooperation of the european union with china in this area will play a crucial role, especially in regards to new technologies. a role china seemed to relish today in an editorial in its english language tabloid, a reckless withdrawal from the climate deal will race in
closingly finite diplomatic resources and the u.s.'s selfishness and irresponsibility will be made clear to the world crippling the country's world leadership. cnn, the state department. >> i want to welcome to the panel now. van, what's your reaction buys this decision by the president? >> it is incredibly disappointing to see an american president essentially throw american industry under the bus. the clean energy in the united states is one of the fastest growing if not the fastest growing part of the american economy. we have more people working in solar industry than coal miners and same with wind and smart batteries. what this deal would have done and still has a chance to do is turn 190 countries into 190 customers for american clean energy firms. instead of us staying at the table and pushing forward we now have an american president who does not want america to be first in clean energy, doesn't
want us first in innovation, doesn't want american workers and there are tens of thousands of them to be at the front lines. it's bizarre to have someone say he wants to make america great again and then leave the rust belt idle. they could be building wind turbines, solar panels, making smart cars, smart batteries. all of that is part of the world's effort to go clean. the only countries who can lead the world in that, the united states and germany and we just threw it away. >> if the paris agreement is so bad for american jobs as the president is saying, why do so many american companies support the accord? >> i think they were being good corporate citizens and putting out the right sound bites. i want to address something in the presentation where you said that this was -- you had the obama quote saying this would save the planet, i think you said earlier on, this is the kind of climate change deal that could stop the rise of the
oceans. one of the things that hasn't been talked a lot about, let's say we went all in on this climate change deal and every country kept all of the promises they made, which is something that's not going to happen, let's just assume that happened. according to an mit study, one of the definitive ones, by the year 2100, this would reduce global temperatures by .17 degrees. >> the economic argument is the one van is making, it is perhaps obviously the future of the climate is a very arguable point. the economic argument i think is an interesting one. what do you say to van who says it's the fastest growing sector and the future other than coal? >> it's not. oil and gas is growing much faster because we have a shale and gas revolution in this country. interesting all the europeans have been very violent in opposition to what trump did. the european countries 10 years ago went all in for the type of
green energy van is talking about. they went all in for solar and wind and so on. their electricity prices are three times higher than ours are. they want us to move in that direction because they don't want to lose that competitiveness. they have companies for the first time leaving and coming to the united states because of lower energy prices. >> what about that, van? >> he's overstating the case. first of all, it is not in fact the case -- he said two or three times the price -- hold on a second -- the united states, we did have the shale gas revolution which crashed our prices here. that is true. at the same time, the price for clean energy has been going down down down. you don't actually have the same kind of shale opportunities that you have in europe. i think part of the thing you see with the republicans trying to defend trump on this is that they just want to look away from what's actually happening in our own country. california has the most
stringent environmental and carbon constraints in the country and the strongest economy. it turns out when you have good environmental policy you actually drive economic growth. they ignore all of that. they grab different examples they don't explain well around the world and throw a bunch at you but the fact is we walked away from the opportunity to have massive customers for shale and energy and when exxon and shale and bp and van jones agree you know something is going on. >> we already have an example what these climate change policies can do something called the power plant. >> it never got implemented. >> no, it didn't. >> you talk about what's happening in california, look what's happening in west virginia, pennsylvania, ohio, visited a lot of those coal towns that were decimated by those regulations. >> i can't let you lie. obama's clean power plant never
got implemented. it was put forward because the conservative nixon put forward the conservative clean air act and epa and the right wing roberts court said obama had to use that on climate change. obama moved forward with the plan and it didn't get implemented because you guys stopped it. here's what you have to understand. there's so much nonsense being spoken. what you and i both want are people working in the rust belt, because the wind industry, which could create a bunch of jobs was stopped by you guys in congress. tesla -- >> it totally subsidized the wind industry. they wouldn't even exist if it weren't for giant taxpayer tubsidies. >> you want to have this fight, talk about subsidies. we subsidize big oil by having the pentagon -- their product around the world and we massively subsidize fossil fuels and have for 100 years. all countries subsidize energy
because it's so important. >> it's magnitude higher kilowatt of electricity produced. by the way, that was the obama's own energy department that said the subsidies in seoul or five to 10 times of what the oil and gas industry gets. >> let's talk about george w. bush's department of energy who said we have a saudi arabia wind energy in the plain states -- >> why do we need this climate deal? you keep saying this is this wonderful new technology that will take over. why do we need a deal to do it? >> because, as you have said, you have said, energy is special. you have to have rules for the road, you have to have clear market signals over a long period of time, otherwise you choke off all the capital. nobody will invest in a clean energy market when the rules are all over the place. we need a clear market signal your guy just pulled out and
throw innovation under the bus. >> many key u.s. allies denouncing this decision and the french president saying make our planet great again. what does this mean from an international perspective? >> it means we've stepped away to global leadership, not only have we stepped away but gotten shoved off the stage by ourselves. >> and protocols back in -- i can't remember what year it was, it was going to be -- it was an abrogation of u.s. leadership and it didn't -- the world continued to move forward. >> look, this is something everyone has signed onto except for syria and nicaragua. nicaragua didn't sign onto this because it wasn't stringent enough. this was a moment the world came together and said, you know what, we have to clean up our act. people, countries, tend to look to the united states for leadership in that kind of situation. you cannot lead if you believe that there is a conspiracy
around every corner. what we heard from the president today is that there is a conspiracy in the rest of the world to destroy the american economy. he talked about a massive redistribution of united states wealth to other countries. if that is what he believes, then how can he lead? and how can we lead? i think that sort of begs the question. he sort of said, you guys are all out to get us and therefore we're not going be a part of this. >> saying they're all laughing at us. i want to take a break. hang on a moment. also, later tonight, new details on what fired fbi director, james comey has to say next week on capitol hill as well as the potential damage his testimony could do and the controversy behind it.
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war. and condemning it as inexcusable blow to the economy. obviously not everybody agrees on the panel. clearly, this decision was from the steve bannon, stephen miller part of the white house, america first nationalist ideology. there was a lot of lobbying from ivana trump and jared kushner to stay in. this seems more victory of the internal policy of the white house of steve bannon, no? >> steve bannon had a victory in the rose garden standing tall letting people see him as this was one of his babies. the president definitely talked about the fact this is about detroit, this is about youngstown, about pittsburgh, not about the world, about us. as steve bannon is taking this victory lap, you're hearing from former president barack obama
and former vice president gore who won a nobel prize on climate change. and people saying donald trump is trying to make coal great again at the expense of clean energy. there's another piece people aren't thinking about. i remember katrina, remember how that debate happened during the bush years about the rising sea levels and also drought and things of that nature. i looked at the world health organizations website today and they were talking about how people are affected globally by climate change. this is the piece of the discussion missing as well, how tens of thousands of people die annually because of the fact that droughts and floods, because of climate change, because of bad air, heat, what have you, what's going on. these people are dying because of things like zika, that we had a scare with, things like dinga
and cholera. there are many components about this. steve bannon is talking about this country but what affects the world affects us. let's see how this plays out. >> the two photos were not from the krer money -- ceremony, but jared kushner and he was not there. >> the president said, we will see if we can make a deal that is fair, the allies shot that down and said this is no non-negotiable. it sounds a little disingenuous to say that. >> the political aspect, rush limbaugh did something he very
rarely does, he addressed the president on his show and said, please, sir, don't do this. i can only tell you- >> don't do this? >> in other words, he wanted him to do exactly what he did today. what he was saying was don't go back on your campaign promise because there's millions of people who voted for you depending on this. >> how much was this about appealing to the base? >> i think there is some of that. places like pennsylvania, ohio, west virginia had a problem, their voters did not want this. the second thing in terms of governmental process, to get to your question, i want to read you one sentence here, this is a quote, i think it's hard to take seriously from some members of congress who deny the fact climate change exists they should have some opportunity to render judgment about a climate agreement, quote-unquote. that is josh earnest, president obama's press secretary in march of 2015 responding to a question why this is a quote-unquote an accord but a treaty really but the white house didn't want to
submit to it the senate for a vote. the reason was they hadn't made the political argument to have the senators there to do this. to get to your point, if president trump does renegotiate this at some point, the answer is submit it to the united states senate and see how -- >> he's not going to renegotiate it, that's not feasible, just made up. >> i don't think he should. my point is this was a failure of leadership by president obama to make the political argument to get it passed. >> does it upset you -- i'm sure it upsets you, the idea this is based on appealing to the president's base rather than -- you have a lot of the president's advisors, rex tillerson, arguing to stay in the accord. even from a national security standpoint you had people arguing this. >> it's very very disturbing because here's what you've got. you've got the top leaders, ceos
of american corporations, including bp, including chevron, including shell, saying, please do this. you have sill don valley saying -- silicon valley saying, please do not pull america out of this. the only people who think this is a great idea are a small circle around one-half of the white house and a bunch of people that listen to rush limbaugh. the problem with that is that those very people who are in pennsylvania, who you love, jeff, and so do i, and west virginia and in ohio, the best shot they have to go back to work is when we start building wind turbines in america and we start fabricating solar panels and start building electric cars, those people are thrown under the bus. his own base has been betrayed by this decision. >> we have to leave it there. the president said he was elected to represent the people of pittsburgh, not paris. the mayor of pittsburgh has a
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and noting hillary clinton received 80% of the vote in pittsburgh and the city will stand with the world and follow the paris agreement. first, let's hear what the president said referencing his city. >> at what point does america get to me? at what point do they start laughing at us as a country? we want fair treatment for its citizens and we want fair treatment for our taxpayers. we don't want other leaders and other countries laughing at us anymore, and they won't be. they won't be. i was elected to represent the citizens of pittsburgh, not paris. >> just before i spoke with the mayor of pittsburgh. >> mayor, i wonder what went through your mind when you heard the president say he was elected to represent the citizens of
pittsburgh, not paris. >> shocked. hillary clinton won the city of pittsburgh with nearly 80% of the vote and the values that we have in this city follow right along the lines of what the paris agreement stated. we're already following those goals. >> he was probably speaking metaphorically, all of pennsylvania, which he won. pittsburgh used to be a big coal town in production as well as consumption. do you think the president understands coal doesn't play much of a role anymore in the economy? >> couldn't have picked a worst city. i was in paris with 500 mayors around the world. it wasn't only heavy on fossil fuels but it went through a depression where our unemployment was greater than the "great depression." it was only when we started to look to the future we started to have an economy going up. today, we're back on a global stage, not through our old
economy, through robotics and artificial intelligence and if it weren't for that position pittsburgh would never have been able to get back up. >> what do you say to those who work in the coal industry, coal miners who believe the president will help them dig more coal and get back to work? >> i call it false hope. i know them personally. they live around my city. i have family that lives in west virginia. what i say to them, look at the example what pittsburgh was able to do. if there was ever a hope from the paris agreement in the example of a city, our air was so bad we had to have our street lights on 24 hours. we understood we would build out a new economy and it would take time. there's nothing progressive about laying off a coal miner and a way to transition and understand as the world starts to finance new energy as the
world finance banks understand that's where it's moving, the united states will either be part of that or we will be left behind and watch germany and southeast asia lead the economic revolution. >> you say your city will continue to follow the guidelines of the paris agreement. how do you do that? >> by an executive order of my own. tomorrow i will be issuing an executive orders saying our government will follow the 2020 guidelines put in place and meet our benchmarks and goals and 2030 goals benchmarks of reducing our carbon footprint. to be honest with you what i found out when i was in paris, it wasn't the federal governments that would do it, it was the cities. in the cities across america you will see mayors standing up and saying we got this. >> do you have a message for the president tonight? >> what you did was not only bad for the economy of this country, but also weakened america in this r world.
>> thank you for your time. >> thank you. coming up, the president is going against nearly every other country on earth, he's yet undoing another of president obama's policy, a big one, how the president is trying to erase eight years of president obama and how the people that worked in that administration are reacting. i never miss an early morning market.
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mistaken for years, donald trump as a citizen, tried to undermine president obama through the birther conspiracy and on twitter, now that he's president he's trying to undermine him some of his biggest accomplishments, the centerpiece of his white house and tonight, with the paris accord and breaking with every country on earth. and he set his sights on the transpacific partnership. that is just the beginning and there are dozens of policies and programs he has reversed, education and labor rules and wildlife refuges. and david axelrod, a senior
advisor and jen pataki, from the state department and spokesperson. >> what is it like, david, watching some of what you and president obama worked on taken apart by this administration? >> maybe this sounds disingenuous, anderson, i'm less concerned about the impact on president obama's legacy than i am the impact on the country moving forward. you see something like this today and the impact on the issue of climate is deeply concerning, more than that, the issue of the american leadership and our prestige in the world and our ability to shape events since we've shaped them since world war ii, those are very much in question because of these decisions i believe were made almost entirely on a political basis, to apiece the president's base and not on the basis of the substantive facts. that's what concerns me. i think that there will be more
durability to these accomplishments moving forward, but the one that worries me the most is just america's leadership in the world. >> do you think -- do you think president obama sees it in that same kind of perspective? >> you know, he is a long term thinker. i think he understands that the steps he took on climate change have set things in motion that are going to be hard to turn back. you can see a burgeoning clean energy industry in this country that began in many ways with the recovery act in 2009 and some of the step theps epa took while he was president and steps hard to unwind and will lead to long court battles. he encouraged other countries to take steps forward hard to turn back. some of those countries may accelerate their efforts as a result of this decision. i do think he'll worry about what i'm worried about. he worked very hard to zib
international coalitions around issues like climate change. america played and indispensable role in that. if america steps pack, it adds a an element of uncertainty and deprives businesses of a major chance to take advantage of the opportunities the new economy and new clean energy economy offers. >> jen, from what you consider the accomplishments of president obama and the white house then, where does the paris accord fall in terms of significance? >> this one definitely stung. i'm sure it stung the president. as david already said he's someone that plays the long game and a lot of opportunities for states and government into action. >> when i went back to work for him in 2015, one of the conversations we had was about climate change. his ask to me was find more opportunities for him to speak publicly about this issue, to make sure people understood the
importance of this issue because he was worried about the future he was leaving for his grandchildren. that wasn't just because he fundamentally believes he wants to have clean drinking water and air, of course that, but he was concerned about the national security implications, things like famine and impacts of climate change and what this would do to local economies in the united states. >> president trump said, we're pulling out of this accord but we're going to go back and try to renegotiate something. it made it sound like that might be a very easy thing. this negotiation took a long time for this accord. >> many of the european leaders issued a statement very quickly after that and said absolutely not. we're not going back. we're not going to renegotiate now. you wonder how sincere the president was about that. i honestly think, anderson, this was a big base play. you have an embattled president. i think he was told by steve
bannon and some of the people around him that you need this base, they're the people who are going to stick with you through these storms and they will walk away from you on a big one that's symbolically important to them like this, turn the other way. he ignored the advice apparently of his national security advisors, his diplomatic advisors, his economic advisors but he took the advice of his political advisors. >> how different is this from any other president including president obama. he reversed many of president bush's policies like stem cell research, all through executive orders and i'm sure some people could argue some of those were politically motivated as well. >> i think what i heard from what president trump said today, the difference is there's a dishonesty what he was promising here. this was a non-binding voluntary agreement. only two countries didn't participate in it but every country sets their own targets.
essentially what trump is doing is taking away our own seat, the seat of the united states at the table. he could have changed the targets and we could have a debate about policies to implement on them but he wanted to deliver on his campaign promise. it's very transparently political in that way. the second is his reference to coal jobs. the fact is they have been decreasing for years including exports and the reason is natural gas is cheap and accessible. by promising this will bring back coal jobs and help the coal industry, there is a dishonesty to that. i don't think i can look back and say decisions we made in the obama administration were done with that level of transparency or backed up with a level of beliefs. jim comey is going to testify a week from today. we got the date from the senate intelligence committee. the first since he was fired,
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8th, james comey will give his testimony before the investigation committee part of the panel's investigation into russia's efforts in the election. when he was fired he was leading the investigation. what do we expect to hear from director comey when he testifies? >> we know he has consulted with robert mueller about to make sure there are no legal entanglements. we know he plans to talk about his interactions with president trump and we know he asked for a pledge of personal loyalty from comey in january and that february meeting president trump allegedly asked comey to shut down the investigation into former national security advisor, michael flynn. we expect to hear those details when he testifies on thursday. >> will all the testimony be
public? >> it will proceed in two parts. at 10:00 a.m. the public portion and then a closed section, classified section at 1:00 p.m. >> i understand vladamir putin weighed in on the idea of russia and hack offering the election. >> it was quite striking, quite a shift from his and he compared the potential hackers to artists who choose their targets depending on how they feel when they wake up in the morning. it was an interesting dialogue. and president putin does continue to deny any state role but it was a departure from the previous stance that russia played no role whatsoever. anderson? >> jessica, thank you. jeffrey toobin.
former director comey does tell his story what he says is his story, and it turns out to be what is reported, that the president asked comey to slow or stop the investigation of flin, does it mean obstruction of justice? i thought he said not being under political pressure. >> well, you have to listen to what he says. it's a possibility. if the facts are that trump encouraged comey to stop the investigation and when he didn't stop the investigation, he fired him, that is lays out a plausible matter of obstruction of justice. a lot of the matter is in the details. and very important matter, along with this testimony, will congress have access to and release comey's notes?
because that would certainly give a lot more credibility to what he says. because it wouldn't just be his recollection. it would be his contemporaneously written notes. >> the contemporaneous notes the former fbi director reported to a newspaper? that is not going to be significant evidence, number one. number two -- and jeff knows this. the standard to show obstruction of justice, is a high level. threats of force. the idea that the president made a statement f he even made the statement and james comey didn't bother to walk across the street and say the department of justice that he feels his investigation is obstructed in what happened here. jeff knows this.
if he thought there was an obstruction of justice issue at play by the president of united states, he had an obligation to notify the department of justice. he didn't do that. >> i don't know where that obligation comes from. he has an investigation he is trying to protect. and when he has said, as i understand it, he was trying to keep trump at a distance so he could allow his investigators to proceed without interference of trump. he was fired. the obligation to go forward, that is made up. you made that up -- >> no, it's part of the 18ac. that is part of the criminal code. do you think it's a little ironic that the former fbi director leaked his so called memo, his contemporaneous notes to the press -- >> we don't know that he leaked it. someone leaked it.
>> but that doesn't affect whether the noelts are accurate or not. the notes are the notes, regardless of who has access to them. >> if they are fbi documents and he allowed them to be leak you had, you don't think that's a violation of the law -- if this is a fbi investigation and he feels there is obstruction of justice -- >> we don't know if he allowed -- there are people -- >> james comey on trial here instead of the person who obstructed justice. >> someone stole the fbi director's noefts -- >> no, either they were stolen or he leaked it. the other option is that he at the state talked to other people about it and those may be some of the people who came nor ward who leaked it. >> yeah, but so what? >> the leaking -- >> it's not a question whether it's okay. you were saying is it legal? that is a third option. >> to turn sbit a debate about leaks as opposed to the under lying conduct is really a prett transparent attempt to change the subject from what this is
really about, which is whether the president objected justice. and your citations to 18 u.s.c are interesting, and the question is, would -- what he did constitute a high crime and disdemean disdemeanor. that is something that is up to congress. >> that's not -- this is what this is -- the question is, was -- if the president even made that statement d that constitute obstruction of justice? that's the legal question. did he have criminal intonight do that. and here's the question, anderson and jeff, why f me thought there was an obstruction of justice, and he was threatened, did he not tell the department of justice? if you know of a crime and you don't report that crime, you're liable. >> jeff, what about that? >> that is not -- there is no -- there's no such law that says
you have to do that. and the other -- you have to look at what skoemy's situation was. comey was trying -- to keep his investigation going. i mean f he went to the department of justice the first time he was uncomfortable and just blew the whole thing up, that -- >> that is the not legal standard, jeff, uncomfortable is not the legal standard. >> jay, you are trying to put jim comey on trial instead of the real issue here, which is whether donald trump obstructed justice. >> one week from today. we will keep watching. would love to have you back. much more ahead on the breaking news in washington that is sparking intention reaction around the world. president trump's decision to pull out 09 the paris accord. what does it mean for our allies? that is ahead. kelley blue book 2016 best resale value... u.s. news best car for the money.
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