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breaking news tonight. the repercussions here and around the world from president trump's announcement today that the u.s. is pulling out of the paris accord on climate change. they are significant. from democrats a number of key republicans, ceos, even the mayor of pittsburgh, it was a statement heavy opnationalism, a sense of grievance that the president said was unfair to america and damaging to the u.s. economy. jim acosta joins us from the white house. we can't say we didn't see this coming. this is what the president ran on. this is a campaign promise, but
still a very eventful day at the white house. >> absolutely. we see the president not able to keep some of these campaign promises over the course of the administration, but he did it today. in the rose garden of the white house, the president absolutely kept a campaign promise that he said time and time again that he would pull the u.s. out of the paris climate agreement. here's more of what he had to say. >> at what point does america get demeaned? at what point do they start laughing at us as a country? we want fair treatment for its citizens and we want fair treatment for our taxpayers. we don't want other leaders and other countries laughing at us anymore. and they won't be. they won't be. i was elected to represent the citizens of pittsburgh, not paris. >> now, you also heard the president today say that he would like to start a new
negotiation to somehow broker a new climate agreement with the other countries of the world. today the president heard from some key u.s. allies like germany and france saying no thanks, they don't want to subject the world's climate to the art of the deal. so there will be no new negotiations as far as they're concerned. and the president indicated if he can't make that happen, then so be it. >> the president as a citizen, jim, had tweeted about climate change as a hoax created by the chinese. has the white house said whether the president believes climate change is real or caused by human action? >> no. it's incredible. we were shouting that question at the president as he was leavingthality peach today at the rose garden. he didn't answer then. they were peppered with questions over and over again. does the president believe that climate change is real? does he believe that human activity contributes to climate change? they did not have an answer to that question.
so the president pulls out of this major climate agreement, puts the united states in the category of nicaragua and syria as not being a part of the climate deal. and the american people have no clear answer to whether the president believes in climate change or whether he thinks it's a hoax as he has said time and again. >> i want to ask you about what the president said in the rose garden today. he said the attack in manila was terror related. we now know that's not the case. local authorities are saying it's not terror related. i think during the campaign he would at times go after reporters or news organizations saying that they weren't reporting terror incidents, they didn't want to report it. generally we try to wait until we actually know for a fact whether something is a terror incident. it seems like the president just went ahead and kind of freelanced on this one. >> yeah. he just went and done it, anderson, is what he did earlier today. according to white house, we got
two different explanations on that. earlier in the day they said the national security advisor hr mcmaster had briefed the president before he came out and made those remarks and said it was an act of terrorism. it sounded like initially they were blaming it on the national security advisor for giving the president bad information. but just in the last hour, anderson, we received a new explanation from a senior white house official who said that the president was briefed that media reports were initially indicating what happened in manila was the work of isis. that is the latest explanation coming from the white house. >> they were blaming the media for allegedly reporting this when i don't believe that was actually the case. there has been movements against isis elsewhere in the philippines in recent days that reporters have reported on, because that has happened. >> yeah. i don't think they can chalk it up to fake news this time. >> joining us the former clinton
secretary robert rice. jeffrey lord and miles o'brien. put this decision in perspective. the united states, second largest greenhouse gas emitter in the world after china, was an early leader on the actual creation of this accord. what message does it send to the rest of the world and u.s. allies? to supporters, this is fulfilling a campaign promise, this shouldn't come as a surprise. >> it did not come as a surprise, anderson. but it did come as a shock. i think many of us were sort of believing that he would change his mind, that saner heads would prevail. that simply did not happen. i think this is an historic moment. unfortunately, it is not a good
one. in years past we've been so -- well, because look, i think some 70 years ago this country came to the aid of many others, especially in europe with a marshal plan and we saw that as one of the noblest acts in history, which it was. tonight, there's just a sense that we have witnessed now one of the most shameful acts in our history. we do have 4% of the world's population but we contribute more to the carbon dioxide than any other nation. almost a third of the carbon dioxide that's threatening the planet comes from the united states. to say we take no responsibility for that, that's selfish. and to realize too that the countries that are going to be worst hit and worst hurt by climate change are the poor countries. we are the richest country. for us to walk away and say we don't give a damn about the poor countries even though we created a lot of this, that's immoral. secretary rice, the president said withdrawing was in america's america's economic
interest. did you think it was about politics or what? >> i think it's solely about politics. it's about his base. that's what we all understand. i mean, he couldn't deliver on many of his promises, perhaps any of his promises and he delivered on one of his promises today, felt that pressure from the base. i don't know frankly why. i don't think the base really knows much about paris climate. most americans don't really know much about the climate accords. but i would second david gergen. this is shameful day. the president seems to regard the world as a zero sum game in which either we win and everybody else loses or everybody else wins and we lose. obviously it's not that way whether you're talking about trade or immigration or the climate especially. because if we see the climate of the world continue to deteriorate, we are going to suffer, our children and our grandchildren just like everybody else. this is irrational from a standpoint of economics. it is shameful from the standpoint of morality.
>> steven, the president said that the world is not going to laugh at us anymore. i'm not sure what his constant reference to people laughing at us is about or where that comes from, but do you believe this was in any way about politics or was this purely based on economics? >> i certainly think donald trump should keep the promises that he made. i was on the campaign trail with him at times when he made this declaration. it was one of his strongest applause lines. americans who voted for trump in no small part voted for him precisely because of that. he was crystal clear about what he was going to do if he was going to get elected. he was going to get us out of this climate change deal. and hillary clinton was going to be all in for it. you could make the case that there was almost a national referendum on whether we wanted the climate change deal. and voters voted against it.
i wanted to address something david said. yes, of course we produce one-third of the carbon. that's because we're the richest country in the world. you get rich by using energy. the idea that all of these countries in the world should use less energy, you talk about poor countries, my goodness what poor countries need, they need to use energy. it's not just wind and solar power, they nude need to use coal and solar and gas. to say they shouldn't have access to cheap and abundant energy, i think is immoral in that regard. >> well, i very much respect your views, as you know. but when 190 countries including the poorest countries in the world are all in accord that this is in their interest and they're willing to abide by commitments and we're now in the league, 190 nations going in one direction, one path. and we're now taking a different
path with syria and nicaragua, doesn't that make you feel great again? >> i want to bring in -- >> let me jump in on this, because i think what steven is saying is totally wrong and i think steven you're using old talk points. solar and wind are cheaper than coal and natural gas now, unsubsidized. from the lazar report in december, the fact that these countries want to have access to wind and solar as one option -- by the way india and china have cancelled their coal plants because coal is more expensive for their citizens than solar. let me just say, the president said this was an economic decision. there are 3.1 million people in america who are working in this clean energy industry. in pennsylvania, you had the mayor of pittsburgh on, in pennsylvania there are 57,000
people who work in pennsylvania. there are thousands of job providers in pennsylvania in this clean energy industry. in michigan, there's almost 90,000 people who work in this clean energy industry. in ohio, there are 90,000 people who work in the clean energy industry. all of those states have fewer people working in coal and natural gas. so to say that it is an economic decision to side with an industry, especially coal where the numbers are plummeting and not side with an industry where the numbers are growing exponentially is a foolish economic decision -- >> here's the point. you've got to put that chart up again because that chart is inaccurate. i think as i read it it's 500,000 jobs in the oil and petroleum industry. no. it's more like 6 or 8 million people. >> that's from the department of
energy. >> those figures -- i mean, look, i've seen figures as much as 6 million people are directly or indirectly tied to oil and natural gas. why aren't we complying with this when the rest of the world is? the answer is, david, we are. we've reduced our carbon emissions more than any other country in the world over the last seven years among the major industrial countries. the wall street journal just has an article on this two weeks ago. china has doubled down on coal because coal is a lot cheaper. >> what about the science there? >> there was a time when china was building a coal plant about once every ten days. but they have, under pressure from their own people because of pollution and over concern over climate change, are moving heavily into nuclear among other things to look at clean alternatives. they are also leading the world in solar and wind turbines. if they created a so-called hoax, they're obviously playing us for fools here. >> the other point -- i just
wanted to reanswer steve about the developing world. i mean, if the developing world is going to rely on fossil fuels, on oil and coal to the extent that the united states relied on it over the last 70 years, that's the end of the planet, steve. we can't possibly have a planet that relies and depends that much on fossil fuels. that's one of the reasons there's so much interest and one of the reasons the united states had been so dedicated to helping developing nations move to wind and solar. >> except that as you know, i mean, natural gas -- what's happened in america is we've dramatically reduced our electricity prices because the price of natural gas has gone from $12 down to 3. it's made electricity prices lower. and the interesting thing about natural gas, i keep hearing folks all over cnn keep saying we have to move to clean energy,
anderson, natural gas is a clean energy form. it's what reducing our carbon emissions. why isn't everybody all in on natural gas? >> it's better than coal but it's still a fossil fuel. coal has about twice as much carbon per apples to apples comparison than natural gas. natural gas is the key component here. coal is on its way out because of that. i was recently in west virginia at a huge mountain top mine, surface mining thousands of acres literally. i asked them how many people were working there. 23 people. these jobs are not coming back under any circumstance. >> my understanding is under this accord each country sets its own standards. couldn't the u.s. have basically just said look we can't live up to these standards, we're going to change our standards? >> we could do whatever we choose to do. >> under the accord we could have done that.
>> but my point here, i mean we keep sliding away from this point which i think is critical. the base is mentioned here by several people. if hillary clinton were elected and did the opposite of this, would we say she's just doing it to play to her base? the fact of the matter as i was showing the governor in the greenroom, the map of the commonwealth of pennsylvania in the 2016 election, pittsburgh was an island of blue in a sea of red. the pennsylvania voters in that area which are economically d disstressed in a lot of cases are very upset about this. >> you believe coal is the future? >> i think it's part of it. i think everything is the future. for heaven sakes go do it. if we could get to what we're talking about tomorrow with a wave of the wand, great. the fact of the matter is we can't. >> jeffrey lord, let's be serious.
let's be serious. do you think coal is the way of the future? you think that's the way the planet is going? >> i said it's part of the future. eventually, sure -- >> why is it that china and other countries are actually leading the way in wind and solar? >> they're not doing that. i have no doubt that at some point we won't need to use coal anymore but we're not there yet. this is like trying to fly a jet airplane in 1861. >> it is not true. bloomberg clean energy finance who does all of the analysis of this has said very clearly that 60% of the new energy installations for the next 25 years are going to be wind and solar. 60%. >> look, you can't have it both ways. you can't say oh the future is wind and solar power but we need massive subsidies in the government and we need regulations that force people to -- >> we've got to leave the discussion there. >> we need this agreement because this agreement symbolizes what we stand for. >> let the market work and decide what we -- >> it does seem like the private sector has decided.
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accord. the ceo of g.e. says he's disappointed with the decision. elon musk of tesla has called it not good for america or the world. >> i think symbolically it's important, but since 1945 the united states has been the leader in organizing coalitions to deal with global problems, global challenges whether it's security, military or things like pandemics. so for the united states to take this signature achievement that took years and years to do and finally got india and china into the tent, that was always the big problem with climate change. you couldn't get the new ones to get in. everyone came in.
194 countries, ask the united states pulls out. it's a pretty big blow. i don't think you can sugar coat it. i talked to european officials, and they all very much view it in that light. >> how much damage does this do to allies? >> i think it will do significant damage, anderson. and you have to keep in perspective not just today's decision but what the president did in brussels and sicily last week. this a pattern now of aggravating u.s. responsibility on the global stage. and this is the next big piece of that. i do think it's significant. you've already seen comments made by so many other european leaders and leaders around the world that they're disappointed, but regardless they're going to move on and enact the measures of the agreement going forward with or without us. and i think that really is a sad state of affairs for the united
states of america. >> there has been a strong push back. look, people said this about the kyoto agreement back in 2001, and yet there wasn't much fallout in that decision. >> look, in any one of these cases you can point to the fact the world is not going to end. countries like germany moved to the lead. the united states stepped back for a while, and that's part of the issue here we need to talk about, which these are the industries of the future. the world is going to have clean energy. it's absolutely clear. and the fact we don't want to own it, we don't want to dominate it is sad. the chancellor of germany said europe can't really depend
on the u.s. like they used to be able to a. now with this decision on the climate accords, it is sort of remarkable to have the president who's upsetting the applecart in such a dramatic way. although, i guess his supporters would say, look, he came to change things. >> there are people who will support what he's done here, and he certainly has played to his base. he's already got his own accolades coming in on this. but i think it fundamentally rejects a simple understanding that every president has had, which is america has a position on global stage, not just to be a partner but to be a leader. when i hear president trump talk about the state sometimes he talks about us like we're just an average country. he talks about unfairness like he did today, paying your fair share, and all the burdens of being part of the club. we haven't been, and we
shouldn't try to be. we do have responsibilities because we are a great nation and we're so powerful, we are the leading technology state in the world, and that needs to stay the course. if we give up that lead, if we advoca abdicate this to other countries like china, we won't have any say so in the accountability and measure standards going forward. and i can tell you china is ready to lead on this. >> it's interesting because democrats haven't really made the economic argument on this as some like van jones has talked about that he would like them to. in terms of the future and the u.s. being thefo forefront in ts business. >> solar jobs grew 25% last year, and that's just solar. that doesn't include wind, that
doesn't include battery power. so you're exactly right. we've lost the ability to talk about it, first of all, objectively. as the industries on the future they are. and the democrats have lost the opportunity to talk about this as a growth opportunity, as an opportunity to really seize the future. if the environment has always been seen a little bit like broccoli, you have to do these things because it's good for the world, that's not it. the reason which i know wants to go there, the reason india is embracing it -- the prime minister of india has said it would be criminal to withdraw from the paris accord. because they all need this. in a way if we could be that country, it dissempowers that middle east, it dissempowers russia, dissempowers venezuela. if you think about it most of the bad actors in the world are fueled by oil and oil money.
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>> as washington prepares for former fbi director james comey's testimony next week, the other side, the investigation is hitting speed bumps. the chairman of the house committee, he reaccused himself from the investigation when he came under scrutiny from the house ethic committee. and he has three subpoenas that enraged democrats.
we have jessica schneider with the latest. what do we know about the subpoenas that were issued by the house intelligence committee? >> there were seven subpoenas in all. four related to the russian probe were issued to president trump's attorney, and the national security advisor, and michael flynn. that is four. the others are the other three subpoenas that were issued on the general topic of unmasking, the unveiling of american eye dent tips in the intelligence reports and they were issued in the obama administration officials, several of them. john brenon and susan rice and former u.n. ambassador samantha power. and the fact that chairman devin nunes who had stepped aside, he was the one who issued them. >> that is what is so fascinating about this is he said he would be stepping aside back in april. these subpoenas were issued and
overseen by him. that's what democrats are saying. >> the republicans in a sense are mincing words here. they are saying that claim nunes didn't recluse himself. merely that he was stepping aside. house speaker paul ryan is saying that chairman nunes is still the leader of the committee. he still has work to do and saying this doesn't pertain to the russian investigation. but the ranking member adam shift is saying it's what they want to play into his hands. >> jessica schneider, thanks. jackie spear is a member of the house intelligence committee. i spoke to her earlier. when chairman nunes said that he was, quote, stepping aside did you believe that he would have no involvement with the russian investigation? >> that's what i think everybody believed.
that's what recuseal means. you are no longer associated with anything in the investigation. the rules of the house intelligence committee require that the chair or the chair in conjunction with a ranking member or a committee as a whole has to issue the subpoenas bay vote. this case, he acted arbitrarily and did not consult with the ranking member, adam schiff. so he was truly off the reservation when he took the action he did. and it was all for theachrics because we have the intelligence community come in and we do oversight on a weekly basis. and there's never a reluctance for them to show up. so this is then, i think, purely to entertain the president and to show that once again mr.
nunes was listening for his cues from the president and not doing what he had made a commitment to do, which was to recuse himself. >> you said he didn't really have the authority to do this, but speaker ryan emphasis office issued a statement saying, quote, the chairman had the right to responsibility to conduct oversight in the intelligence community. i guess they're saying he's still the chairman of house intelligence. >> well, he is. but he cannot act -- the rules require him to issue subpoenas in conjunction with the ranking member of the committee. and he did not even inform the ranking member until very late. >> so is there any rekrs? >> i don't believe there is, but i think it under scores the fact he is not a man of his word, he recent really recused himself. he continues to look at highly classified information at the cia that deals with the russian
investigation. he continues to participate in the gang of eight, which is the speaker, the leader of democrats and then the members -- the chairs of the two committees, both armed services and intelligence. but once again he sitsen in on those briefings even when it's about russia. >> so i guess the obvious question is do you believe it's possible to have a fair investigation if he continues to involve himself that way? >> well, that's a good question. i will say that congressman conaway, the chair of this investigation has worked very closely with ranking member adam schiff, and the committees have worked together. if the intention here is for devin nunes to sabotage the investigation, he's done that and that would be regressable. >> you obviously -- you and the
rest of the democrats believe the focus should be on the russia investigation. can the committee focus on both or can't they? >> of course they can focus on both. but if you look to senate committee both republicans and democrats are reading from the same page. they are pursuing the russian interference in our election. that's the key interest, and frankly that's the most critical aspect of this entire shenanigans, really, that's been going on. and it troubles me that here our democracy is at risk where we're allowing the president and his sidekick, mr. nunes to distract once again. >> appreciate your time, thanks. >> thank you. more breaking news. whether russians or russians were responsible for cyber attacks during the election. is he fessing up or rubbing it
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with the cyber attacks during the election. p but today kind of changing his story. he said hackers are like artists choochoosing their targets depend depending on how they feel waking up in the morning. what can you say about what putin said today? >> yeah, it was sort of bizarre topic because he, first of all, definitely denied again, what he's done in the past, that russia officially had anything to do with the hacking of the u.s. election or indeed any other kind of election. he said the russian state doesn't engage in that kind of actsativity. but sometimes he's opened up the possibility that russians could have been involved.
he said they wake up feeling in good spirits and hackers do the same, they wake up feeling something good is going on, and they sort of react to that. he said they start making their contributions which are right in their point of view. he's saying that basically patriotically minded russian hackers that could wake up and engage in an act on behalf of the country, but the state officially doesn't engage in that kind of actsativity. so, yes, pretty weird i suppose. but he opened up the possibility. >> yeah, it's interesting that
he would describe them as patriotically minded. >> sorry, say again. >> i said it would be interested he'd describe them as patriotically minded. >> yeah, and i guess that diminishes, i think for many people the activity that these people have undertaken. remember, of course, russia security forces in particular, intelligence agencies, are accused of undermining the democratic process in the west, in the united states, in other countries as well. and putin said that he does not believe that any kind of hacking has the ability to alter the course of an election, whether it's in europe or asia or the united states. >> matthew chance from moskow, appreciate it. joining us peter duren director
at the center for research and policy analysis. steven, when you hear these words coming from putin, what do you think? >> well, it's classic putin. the first is this is a corporate action the government undertook, and one of the great things with corporate action is denieblt. so regardless what intrusion sets were found in dnc computers, putin will always be able to simply deny it. he did this in 2007, which was russia's first big attacks in estonia. well, no, these are just patriotic russians who are mad. and now we have the same thing. these are russian soldiers on vacation. and putin like to take -- and russians in general, really like
to take advantage of russian values. the problem is that's not the way it works in russia. in russia putin knows where everybody is. there are servers in russia that they have required if you're a russian skrz information on there, that it remain on russian soil. it's not to protect russians, but so the government can find out exactly what these people are up to. so putin kind find it immediately and stop it if he wanted to. >> it's interesting him saying no one can influence an election in another country. from a guy in a country that tries to control the media, who has influence and does have influence over reporting in that country, clearly concerned about the spread of information, the free flow of information. >> that's right, anderson. in fact, putin is trading in total hogwash.
we know that russia's coordinated cyber and information campaign against the west is top down not bottom up. because russia's own national security documents tell us so. the ministry of defense in russia now has propaganda soldiers that are dedicated to conducting propaganda war against the west. this is russia's own wording here. vladimir putin wishes that he had an army of do-gooders fighting a patriotic cause on his side. the fact of the matter is he doesn't and we do. right now in the baltic states there is an movement, they call themselves the elves and take to social media and refuse and rebut russia's stance against us. i'd like to see that fight continue. >> he also says the hackers try to frame inrussia government by
making them look like their behind it, but intelligence saying they don't think this could be anyone else. >> again, they can spin whatever story they like to try to fit into whatever accusations or counter accusations that might be out there. just to muddy the waters, it's an excellent point. they need some sport sof conventional worker is one thing, nuclear weapons nobody really wants to use them for obvious reasons. they need a hybrid alternative that can do significant damage to other democracy -- well, other countries because russia's not a democracy. and cyber is definitely part of their protocol, part of their doctrine. >> we're going to head to coal mining country in wyoming.
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