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their country." so did he just admit to hacking the election? you know what else he says? he supports the paris climate accord. so do more and more american business leaders mayors and governors, they do, as well. one of them washington governor jayencely joins me in a moment. on the other side, utah senator mike lee. mike lee joins me here in studio and says president trump made the right decision for america's economy. we'll talk to both then in moments. right to washington, governor jayencely calls pitting the accord shameful. that's his word and is one of the many prominent officials around the country and the world speaking out against what president trump did today. good evening to you, governor, thank you so much for coming on. here's come of what the president said today in the rose garden when he announced with the draw from the accord. we'll talk about it after this. >> it is time to put youngstown, ohio, detroit, michigan, and
pittsburgh, pennsylvania, along with many, many other locations within our great country before paris, france. it is time to make america great again. >> so governor what, about the people of washington? >> well, the people in washington wanted america to follow our tradition, the nation that defeated fascism, the nation that defeated communism that went to the moon under this president's pathetic lack of leadership has now joined syria being a caboose rather than engine in progress. my state and many other states and the leadership of other governors are allied in the belief that we can grow and are growing our economy. we now have twice as many jobs in solar and wind energy than we do in the coal industry.
and the places that are enjoying economic growth are the places that are embracing this new future of clean energy. my state is actually has the number one rate of growth in the united states and it's not a coincidence that we have a cap on carbon pollution. my state is meeting essentially the goals of paris. as is california as is new york, virginia, we have governors who's today have starred an organization, united states climate alliance, and we will remain committed. look, washington is -- washington state is going to lead a clean energy revolution even without leadership from washington, d.c. >> the home of microsoft and boeing. >> today you along with the new york governor andrew cuomo and california governor jerry brown you created the united states climate alliance. what are you hoping to accomplish beyond the paris
accord? >> well, several things. number one, we want to hearten the international community not to give up on their ongoing efforts. you know, we have about 90 million people today, american who's live in states that already have embraced some constraint on carbon pollution. it's important that that message is received by the rest of the world. number two, we want to inspire other states to join us. we are not the only state. governor brown of oregon, governor malloy you have connecticut, virginia, terry mcauliffe, we are already moving forward and want to find ways we are going to join our efforts. there are efforts underway already to have common markets to have carbon constraints. my state already has a cap that i put ob by executive order and the important thing to understand is, president trump might belong to the flat earth society and it's clear that he does. but he cannot under our
constitution principles stop the states from building our economies by embracing our clean energy future. we're doing this big-time. >> i apologize for the delay. there's so much i want to get in. i apologize for the delay. in our short time together, i want to ask you as much as i can. what does this mean for jobs in your state? >> well, it means to some degree an advantage. my state is now going to continue to grow jobs, building carbon fiber to go in electric cars. my state has the largest manufacturer of carbon that goes into electric cars in the world. my state is developing a whole new way to make solar panels that will allow us to continue to do that. donald trump will not be able to retard or put a brake on our progress. it will hamper other states that don't have progressive governors to some degree. but i am convinced that we will continue to grow my state's
economy. we look forward to other states joining us. we are a nation that will lead. right now the leadership has moved from washington, d.c. to the state capitals. and those state capitals are led by governor who's believe in economic progress. we're going to have that. >> the french president macron issue aid video message on twitter to american scientists, engineers and others who are disappointed by president trump's decision. watch this. >> to all scientists and entrepreneurs, responsible citizens who were disappointed by the decision of the president of the united states, i want to say that they will find in france a second homeland. i call on them, come and work here with us. to work together on concrete
solutions for our climate. >> so he is telling experts to go to france. could today's decision result in a brain drain here at home? >> it's not going to result in a brain drain in my state because we are embracing a clean energy future. it's very interesting you bring this up. last week, i will a ceo of a french company that is expanding some work in the carbon field that can help us build more fuel efficient vehicles. this can be a win from washington state, a win for the midwest where there is new development in wind turbines. we have wind turbine blades being manufactured in the midwest and sold around the world. all states can grow clean energy jobs in our united states. but now the ability to seize that future and work with france in alliances is a possibility open to all states.
if you want to doubt that, come to muckal tia, washington, where we have hundreds of jobs making the biggest batteries in the world so that we can integrate and wind power. come to moses lake washington, where we have the largest manufacturer of silicon substrate that goes into solar panels. we'll show you tens of thousands of jobs moving forward because of this optimistic view of the future. that's what our state is about. >> this is not the first time states have fought back against this administration. as you know, states have had success fighting the travel ban, as well. when he took office january 20th, did you think taking a stand against president trump's policy would become such a big part of your job? >> unfortunately, yes. i actually knew the day he took office that he would not be a positive force to grow clean energy jobs. it was pretty clear that he was a flat earth society member and
saying that climate change is a hoax. and i knew then that we would have to be emboldened and know that we would have to stand on our own two feet. he beak said we're on our own in the states. so to some degree this has not been a shock. we have been willing to stand up against him. i'm proud our state was the first state that defeated him on his wrong handed travel ban. we're not afraid. >> as you're'sithe trump admini taking its travel ban to the supreme court. we're just learning now. tonight, the trump -- if you can tonight the trump administration lawyers are asking the supreme court to allow the president's travel ban to go into effect pending the court's full legal review later this year of lower court decisions that block the travel ban. again, governor, i'm not sure if you heard all of that. what do you make of this new action by the trump
administratio administration? >> we don't have the governor. i think the governor -- okay. okay, let's go now to arianne devo. our supreme court reporter. fill us in on the breaking news. >> yes, the trump administration lawyers have gone to the supreme court and they are asking the court to allow this travel ban to go into effect while the court reviews its legality. this comes after that scathing lower court opinion, the 4th circuit court of appeals said the ban was likely unconstitutional. in fact, it said that the executive order drips with religious intolerance and discrimination. and the trump lawyers say that the lower courts are getting this ban wrong. they say it's necessary for national security. they say it is not a muslim ban and they say that the president has broad authority when it comes to immigration. so tonight the important number
is five because it would take five justices to agree to this request to allow it to go into effect. and what usually happens is petitions like this are sent to the full-court and the full-court asks the other side for its response. and that should happen in a couple of days. >> stand by. governorincely, did you hear what the break news is regarding the travel ban? >> yes, i did. yes. >> what's your response? >> well, so far, there has been an overwhelmingly powerful and comprehensive decision by multiple courts that the court system could not ignore the truth and the truth came out of the president's own lips that he intended to implement a travel ban on muslims. his intent was clear. it was unambiguous. there's one good thing about our judicial system. it can't totally ignore the truth. now the president is asking the judicial system of the united
states to ignore if the absolute truth from his own lips. i don't think they should do that. i don't believe that they will do that. we're going to continue to pursue justice in this case which is a continuation of the american ideals of constitutional principles and tolerance for the people of this country. >> thank you, governorince lee. i appreciate you joining us here on cnn and ariane. i want to bring in mike lee, a republican who is the author of "written out of history the forgotten founder who's fought big government." i can't wait to read it. it's an opportune moment to have you here. what's your response to the breaking news? >> it's interesting and not entirely uncommon. if someone is seeking review of that decision to seek to have that injunction stayed while it's under review. >> so it's not a surprise to you that this has happened. >> not a surprise at all. i think there's a decent chance it will be granted but it's
difficult to predict. >> the nine justices will hear that including the new justice. i want to get your thoughts what i discussed with the governor earlier. we talked mostly about clean energy but also get your response to russian president vladimir putin, what he said about the election. watch this. ? >> >> translator: hackers are free people just like artists. they wake up in a good mood and paint then. same with mack hackers. they woke up today, if they are patriotic, they contribute in a way they think is right to fight against those who is say bad things about russia. >> how do you interpret those comments? is he defending hacking there do you think. >> he's an interesting cat. i don't know how to read that but it's weird, goofy. there is an attempt to buy people in russia by the russian government to mess with our election in one way or another. it's not clear what if any impact that had but they didn't necessarily mean us well in
this. >> i want to talk about james comey. he will testify next week in open session. if he testifies that the president pressured him to end the investigation into former national security adviser, what happens next? >> first of all, if he testifies to that effect, i'm going to have a lot of additional questions for him. he was in front of our committee. just a few weeks ago on may 3rd, he testified quite clearly, one thing have i not seen is political pressure to end or change the outcome of a particular investigation. he said i haven't seen that. so if he changes that, if he gives an answer like what you just described, that would be flatly inconsistent with that. why did he tell us one thing on may 3rd and why is he telling us another thing now. >> today it was patrick leahy and al franken asking to investigate the attorney general jeff sessions meaning with russia. are you concerned the attorney general may have had additional meetings with the russian ambassador sergey kislyak and has not admitted to it at this
point. >> i would highly doubt it but i have no idea. >> there's no concern for you. >> i think he's disclosed what needed to be disclosed and told us what he knows. >> we talked about the travel ban. we now want to talk about paris. there's so much going on. sometimes you can't keep up with it. i'm sure you feel the same way. talking about the paris climate accord but condemnation was swift and came from a number of people. this is larry somers told my colleague richard quest, the former u.s. treasury secretary. watch this. >> this is the biggest u.s. foreign policy error since entering the iraq war. and it's one that unlike the iraq war will be felt a century from now. >> the biggest u.s. policy error since entering the iraq war? why would somers be wrong about this issue. >> i'm sorry, that's paranoid fantasy. he can't back that up. that's not true. it cannot be the case that anytime one president decides he wants to enter into an agreement
knowing full well and negotiating that agreement in such a way he knows he can't possibly get senate ratification for that as a treaty if a subsequent president reverses course as a subsequent president is entitled to do because it's not law of the land. it cannot be that that creates a foreign policy catastrophe. that's wrong. >> i've heard people say say there's no teeth to it and each country got to pick whatever they were going to do with themselves. why account urgent stoi back out of something that didn't really matter much? this is according to supporters of the president. >> peel back what you mean by no teeth. international law generally isn't really toothy. it's something that is observed among nations. i don't think you can say there is no teeth to something? which the united states agrees to contribute many tens of billions of dollars to the global climate fund. i don't think you can say there's mo teeth to international agreements generally. we're dealing here with the
relationships between nations. i don't think you can say that's completely toothless or that are it has no impact. if it does have no impact, why is everybody freaking out about it. >> are you concerned about bob iger, tesla, elon musk, saying the president is wrong, backing out of becoming his -- on his team? advisers on his team? is that concerning to you these business leaders are doing that. >> it's not entirely surprising given some people have very strong feelings about that. >> these are big players. >> there are big player lose also believe that this is a good thing. there are a lot of people who are hard working americans middle class americans worried about their jobs who feel like the president is standing up for them. i think the president was right to put pittsburgh before paris. i applaud him. >> i want to ask you about your book. did it just came out. >> day before yesterday. >> written out of history by senator mike lee. in your opinion, who is being written out of history. >> there are a number of
forgotten founders because their stories are inconvenient. people like the iroquois indian chief who introduced the concept of federalism to the united states the concept that says on most issues we should have government at the state and local level. we'll have a few issues that have to be handled nationally. we learned that from the iroquois who taught it to ben franklin who taught it to the founding fathers. >> are you concerned about some of the monuments being removed down south? >> the monuments being removed from down south. if you mean the 1.35 acres designated as part of the national monument in my state -- >> i mean the confederate monuments. >> yeah, okay. >> sort of eas aing history by doing that. >> in that circumstance when we remove a statue of someone, that's up to the locality deciding to do it. that's their choice. if they're going to do that,
they need to take extra steps to make sure that person isn't forgotten because whether they were good or bad, when we remove someone's story from history we avoid opportunities to learn from mistakes they may have made. >> we've got to talk about a lot from a travel ban to your book to climate change. the book is called "written out of history." i appreciate you coming on cnn. >> more on putin's comments about election hacking. what this could mean for the russia investigation.
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>> did russia's president with a wink and nod admit to hacking our election. a former cia analyst, matthew murray the deputy assistant commerce secretary for europe, the middle east and africa and cnn national security analyst, steve hall retired chief of russian cia operations. good evening to all of you.
steve, i'm going to start with you. vladimir putin today conceded russians though not the kremlin may have been involved in the election, the hacking of this election which he had previously denied. listen to this. >> translator: hackers are free people just like artists. they wake up in a good mood and paint things. same with hackers. they woke up today, read something about the state to state relations. if they are patriotic, they contribute in a way they think is right to fight against those who say bad things about russia. >> why would can he change his tune now, steve? >> because he can. this is russian propaganda russian -- it started back in 2007, probably the first time they had a shot at doing good cyber stuff in estonia. they said it wasn't us, it was patriotic russians upsets about the situation in estonia. they did it the next year in
georgia and now ukraine. this is something that's nice about having covert operations. it provides the state with deniability which is what's going on here. the second thing that is, that, putin and the russians are good at is playing on our own value system. there's going to be people in the united states who say maybe hackers are like artists. who is going to limit their free activities? the problem is that's not the way it works in russia. putin knows where all these people are. if he wanted to he could find out what computers they're using and stop them. he didn't. it's more of the same from putin and the kremlin. >> i've heard this is the closest that putin will come to confessing that russia had something to do with our elections. does it seem like maybe the trail of evidence is getting closer and closer to him and he's doing it now? >> i mean, it certainly seems like it. akin to what steve was saying where this starred in 2007 overseas when they're influencing other campaigns and
other propaganda efforts looking at what they did in the united states, you know, obvious measures were starting here in 2014 pushing russia foreign policy measures. that doesn't seem like a typical hacker thing to do is pushing the kremlin's bottom line. >> why would it be patriotic for a patriotic russian thing to doing to interfere in the in election, nada? >> well, i don't think necessarily it would be a patriotic option for just the average person who is struggling to survive maybe looking for a job. but i would think if you put yourself in their shoes, they would be doing something that would then help russia itself. when you look at these hackers they're at least two degrees or more separated from probably the kremlin and the russian government. and as steve said, that's a great covert operation. they have plausible deniability.
they've deployed these people in a concerted way so their social media flounce campaigns have been directed and very strategic. >> yeah. i have to ask you a similar question, matthew than i asked steve. i asked him why do you think he changed his tune now. why do you think he opened the door like this today? >> it's important to look at his statement in light of what he is -- the signal he's sending to those artistic hackers. and essentially he's endorsing their activity and at the same time giving them license to do more such activity. and you know, i think it's best to understand his comments in light of an aggressive foreign policy that's based on a new doctrine known as the new generation warfare doctrine that russia adopted in order to fight what are known as hybrid wars in which they can go into places like estonia, georgia, ukraine and other countries and without appearing to be fighting a war,
take very concerted efforts to destabilize the situation. and so as both steve and nada have indicated, this is part of that playbook and the president has artfully in front of a huge audience, by the way, he made these stams at a press conference in st. petersburg against the backdrop of the st. petersburg international economic forum which is the annual event in which russia makes a sort of state of the russian economy address invites foreign investors to invest in their economy and to buy into the putin narrative. so in effect, i say this as an affront. i say this far from being a kind of admission or compromise, i see it as a direct challenge to our president and i don't think it should go unanswered. i think it's high time that president trump stop equivocating about whether he thinks that russia interfered with our election and that he
should in response to president putin's statement he should make it very clear that he accepts the intelligence community's conclusions. >> good luck with that. and here's what vladimir putin said earlier. more of it. >> translator: i can imagine that someone is doing this purposefully. building the chain of attack so that the territory of russian federation appears to be the source of that attack. modern technologies is allowed to do that kind of thing. >> so steve, given your experience in the intelligence world, what do you make of his explanation? >> this is again, don, this is more plausible deniability is not -- what putin can do is he can spin all sorts of different explanations and reasons why and you know this and that to show hey, it really wasn't the russian government that was responsible for this. it's pretty clear from the forensics done by our own
intelligence community that it was indeed not just russians but the russian government notably the russian interrogation services. you're asking the right question, which is okay, why is he talking about this now? why did he sort of allow it to say okay, maybe it was russian but it wasn't russian government. and it could be simply that the forensic evidence is just so strong it's kind of silly to continue to say it had absolutely nothing to do with russia. the fallback position is wow, we have good patriots who are concerned about all these horrible things happening in the united states and in the west and they took it upon themselves because they're artists. it's poppycock. >> neda, do they know what evidence we have? >> that's a good question. i would think they'd have somewhat of an idea. we've been talking about this openly in media for quite some time and had open testimony on the hill. i don't knowen whether or not they understand the technical data behind the evidence and
what the united states would have, but i would think they would be able to assume we would trace this back to them. >> thank you all. i appreciate it. when we come back, the scientist who's left the energy department after donald trump became president. we're going to ask what she thinks it of today's decision on the climate accord. you won't see these folks they have businesses to run. they have passions to pursue. how do they avoid trips to the post office? stamps.com mail letters, ship packages, all the services of the post office right on your computer. get a 4 week trial, plus $100 in extras including postage and a digital scale. go to stamps.com/tv and never go to the post office again.
president trump announcing today that he is quitting the paris client accord and he says it's all about protecting american jobs. but what are the facts? cnn's rene marsh has that. >> president trump has walked away from the paris climate agreement saying it will handicap the u.s. economy. >> come compliance with the terms of the paris accord and the openers energy restrictions it has placed on the united states could cost america as much as 2.7 million lost jobs by 2025. according to national economic research associates. this includes 440,000 fewer manufacturing jobs. >> but a long list of fortune 500 companies from silicon
valley to utility companies and even big oil disagree with the decision. and many believe the paris agreement would actually generate jobs and put the u.s. in a position to dominate the clean energy sector. there are about 374,000 solar jobs compared to 164,000 coal jobs. >> the agreement is a massive redistribution of united states wealth to other countries. >> the president is talking about one financial component of the paris agreement that helps poor countries address client change. the united states has voluntarily pledged $3 billion to the green climate fund, more than any other country, but that represents less than 100th of 1% of the roughly $4.1 trillion the u.s. government is expected to spend in 2017.
the president's claim is a massive exaggeration. >> under the agreement china will be able to increase these emissions by a staggering number of years. 13. they can do whatever they want for 13 years. not us. >> china does have a growing economy and with it, growing emissions. but china's coal consumption has declined for the last three years and plans for several new co-fired power plants have been cancelled. when he says china can do whatever it wants under the agreement, that's the case for all parties because it's a voluntary agreement. >> it is estimated it would only produce a .2 of 1 degree, think of that, this much. celsius reduction in global temperature by the year 2100.
tiny, tiny amount. >> that may sound small but tiny temperature changes could make a big difference for island nations and coastal communities. it could be the difference between surviving or being underwater and, of course, without any effort to curb carbon pollution, temperatures are expected to keep rising. >> rene marsh, cnn, washington. >> all right, thank you very much. i want to bring in a climate change scientist. good evening to you. so good to have you on. you are a scene thoist resigned from the department of energy after donald trump became president. what was your reason for leaving? >> well, anxious for having me. i didn't actually resign. i physically left the department of energy and moved back to the state of colorado where i could work remotely but i and resigning in the next two weeks. my reason was that i didn't feel like the work that we had been doing was going to continue and the action on climate change
that i was passionate about helping push forward wasn't happening anymore because of many of the policies that the new administration was putting in place were pretty obstructionist to action on climate and also to science in general. >> are you alone in that with people who are working for your department or were there a number of you? >> i think it's actually really interesting. there were a number of us that were very concerned. i think the day after the election and actually for the few months after, there were a lot of drawn faces as if somebody's puppies had been kicked. everyone was very upset. in part they felt like the mission they had been working towards and the things we were passionate about were no longer a priority. the other part is they were very worried about their jobs. the proposed budget was basically looked like it was going to cut a lot of the jobs that a lot of us scientists had. you know, the proposed budget cuts for science specifically are drastic and so people are
both worried about the things they've been working on for a long time, the things they're passionate about and having the ability to feed their families and have a job. >> the criticism from conservatives or from trump supporters they say you're a hillary supporter, you're a liberal and therefore, those are the reasons you were upset, not because of anything that had to do with the incoming president. >> that's a fine thing for them to say. i am a liberal voter and i did vote for hillary clinton. but my concerns are really not based on my personal political beliefs but on the science of climate change, something i've dedicated my whole life to and the imperative i feel to push for action and to actually make progress. i felt like when i came to the department of energy, i was working towards that goal and working with passionate, smart, dedicated people at the department of energy. and the reason i was upset and the reason i felt like i had to leave, had little to do with my voting for hillary clinton and a
lot to do with wanting to continue to push for progress on making changes to our economy to our energy systems to make sure we reduce emissions and we can meet our climate goals. >> stand by. i want to bring in david, from the department of energy. welcome to the from program. you were jane's boss at the department of energy. did you hear similar concerns from other scientists? >> i did. and just a quick clarification, i consider dr. zelikova much more a colleague han a subordinate. yes, lease a real scientific consensus around the need for action and part of the reason i went to the department of energy after retiring from duke energy as their chief technology officer was because of that passion and that commitment and that mission focus to try to accomplish something real. >> so today then, what's your reaction, david to today and the president leaving the paris climate agreement accord?
>> well, it didn't come as i huge surprise. i must say i'm disappointed. but i think that the net outcome is more negative for the u.s. than for the rest of the world largely because i think that by stepping back away from the agreement, we will essentially stimulate other asian and european countries to fill the technology development void and to take a position where they can commercialize clean energy technologies in a way that might be antithetical to u.s. competition in global markets. >> the president says that the climate accord the way it is costs jobs. you're saying by pulling out of the accord, that it will cost jobs? >> that is what i'm saying. over the long hall, yes. >> the president has his opinion on it. he's using the facts as his disposal. you're using the facts at your
disposal. i have heard there are more jobs from just about every expert there are more jobs in clean energy than there are in coal and the old way that we did it. >> yeah, that's abundant dantley true. what i'm really envisioning here senior technological developments and equipment developments going forward, you know, we're on the cuss company of a number of break throughs in the energy arena. and you know, i did a significant amount of international work in my career including my work at doe and got to talk to people in other countries especially in asia who were doing work that was really very future focused. so they were looking at what is the world going to need for clean energy production foreclose clean energy technologies, you know, 10, 20, 30 years from now and how do we position ourselves to compete effectively in those markets. i don't see the u.s. doing that especially with the step back
basketball great lebron james on the court tonight in game one of his nba finals. his cavaliers lose together warriors 91-113. he's also in the news because someone spray painted the "n" word on the front gate of his los angeles home. here's what he had to say about it. >> my family is safe. at the end of the day, they're safe. and that's the most important. but it just goes to show that racism will always be a part of the world, a part of america. no matter how much money you have, no matter how famous you are, no matter how many people admire you, you know, being black in america is tough. >> let's discuss now, kamau bell
host of united shades of america, mark o'mara and ben ferguson. hello, gentlemen. kamau, where do we start? i mean, i think it's interesting and maybe more powerful coming from someone like lebron james who has seen almost every word of success as an athlete, as someone who's famous and betty. but coming from him, he still feels like the "n" word somewhat. what's your reaction? >> i really give him a lot of credit. he could have swept this under the rug considering he's one of the biggest moments of his career right now, but he came out and said something about it. he's done a lot of that. it shows he's been famous since he was 17 years owed and yet still in that moment, is he just another nigger. he has no -- he can't get away from that. >> i should say people still think of him as the "n" word. he doesn't think of himself as that. but you know, ben, i'm interested to hear what you have
to say about that because you know, he has so many fans all over the world. and for him to feel that way, do you think that most people understand that or there are people who still deny like why is he doing this? let him go cry on his pile of money? >> there's certainly people out there that say come on, look at the life you're living. there are always going to be haters whether it's in sports or race. there's also going to be ignorant racist bigoted people in the world not just this country but the world. you'll never get rid of stupid ignorant people. they will always exist. the way he put it talking about the safety of his family might resonate with a lot of people that might normally say hey, you're a rich guy, get over it, take the heat, move on. you're not some sort of victim here. the way that he talked about this i think was incredibly not only mature but also opens up a conversation that needs to be had with many people about the
issue of race in a conversational way where it's not so intense or a fight or you got to pick a side here because a lot of people like lebron james and root for lebron james. he's had controversy the way he announced he was going to miami and he took a lot of heat. people burning his jerseys. that didn't deal with race like this one did. him saying i'm glad my family is safe put it in perspective. if there's any good that can come out of this, it's the conversation. the other thing is the fact that social media is bringing things like this to light, most of the time now or more times than not the people that do these types of things get busted and two, they get shamed as they should. i hope we find who these people are. >> i hear what you're saying. so many people are denying that it even exists or reason i made that comment about let him go cry on his pile of money, i've heard that not that that makes a difference because he's wealthy.
it doesn't excuse what happened or mean it still doesn't hurt in this society and it certainly doesn't mean he shouldn't -- he should be a victim of this, but there's so much denial out there and during the election we heard so much denial about racism. everyone's crying about racism and you should be happy to be in america and on and on and on. you have this happening to lebron. mark, go ahead what do you think of that? >> my concern, don, there's no question ben's right. there have always been and always will be racist idiots and haters. my concern over the past several months is we seem to now have an environment where it is spurring more of this, that all of a sudden hatred and the active hatred is much more acceptable whether it was from trump talking about mexicans being all rapists or the way you know grabbing women by the crotch. the problem that i see over the past several months is that the
bizarre behavior that we used to truly only see in a courtroom has a hate crime is now showing up more and more. yes it got to lebron james but it's getting everywhere. there is a lot more visual hate crimes happening in this country. and unfortunately, we who are not the idiot haters and racists out there have an additional obligation to now be even more vocal but visual more personal with how we present ourselves as finding this activity to be exactly what it is, completely reprehensible. it is growing and getting more and more dangerous as time goes on. >> ben, you wanted to jump in? >> yeah, look, i think we have to put this a little bit into perspective. if you're in the public eye now, people love to hide behind twitter, facebook and attacks and look at what kathy griffin did to donald trump's head. that's how low we've gotten into society. when you're in the public eye, the reality is you're going to
take a lot of heat. i'm going to have death threats. my parents aborted me. i get that tweet about every week. lebron james will take hate if he loses a game and because there's ignorant people. >> you're not condoning it. >> my point is this. we also have to understand that as a country, we need to be clear about what is acceptable and what's unacceptable and not act like when different things like this happen that it's somehow excuse be or hup russ. many people there are certain things, whether it be holding up the president's head. we saw it was humor or funny. >> i don't see how the two relate to each other. >> he just brought it up about hate crimes. >> the problem with it is that now we seem to have an environment where some of those in power, some of those are authority and now being looked up to seem to be subtlety suggesting these type of hints are okay. that's why it wasn't -- we know
there's an uptick in hate crimes against people. we know just four days ago in portland, two women were harassed by an idiot on a train and he ended up killing two other people. there are thousands of other examples, for example, the southern poverty law center is keeping track of. it is seemingly now more acceptable to have this type of behaviors happen hoog. >> i want to give kamau -- weigh in on this. >> i'm happy to hear these two white guys talk about racism. please, continue, yes. >> black people have these discussions all the time. i'm happy to have these twos white guys. >> you just read my mind. >> kamau, you read my mind. >> race talk. >> go on. >> i'll buy you a beer later. >> go ahead, kamau, please, last word. >> i am serious about that. like i heard ben say that we don't have the discussions enough. we have them in my house all the time. i got an e-mail just before i came on the show. we have to have these
discussions and you have to call them out. it's especially important when white men call them out because we don't hear that enough. >> we always hear it's a conversation we need to have. and then either you don't have it, right, nothing gets accomplished or you have the conversation and people say that you're race baiting. so then you can't have it both ways. when you want to have a conversation. so that you prevent things like this from happening, it is then called race-baiting. kamau, you deal with that on your show all the time. >> yeah, the thing we have to realize, those of us who want to have the conversation we have to keep having the conversation over and over again. and we are going to be called race baiters or all sorts of other horrible things. this is a conversation that needs to be had. we have to have the guts enough to keep having it even when it's hard. the problem in this country is you want to have one conversation and get it over with. it's not one conversation. we have to remember lebron is famous and a celebrity but
famous rich people aren't bulletproof. the fact his home was threatened probably makes him feel more vulnerable than he feels walking around. this could be turned into something horrible. >> on this week's episode of your show, you decide to buy a gun because you feel targeted as a black man who discusses hot button issues. here's a clip. >> so what are your thoughts on guns. >> everybody should be able to own a gun for protection especially single mothers notice house. i tell the women i know, get a gun. do you have a gun? this ain't the movies. >> growing up did you see guns in your life when you were a kid? >> i seen them, not played with them. >> did you have friends vipz of gun violence. most definitely. >> they're the ones who pulled the trigger and ones caused by one. >> so talk to me about that, kamau. >> yeah, i mean the idea was that i have been threatened by a lot of people and i think is that something i need to think
about. i wanted to go through the process of buying a gun, see what it was like and have the discussion to myself what would that be like if i had a gun in the house. my wife is featured in the episode. we have a reconversation about that. it was important to talk to black gun owns are how being a black gun owner in america is very different than being a white gun owner in this country into thank you all. don't miss "united shades of america." i'll see you right back here tomorrow.
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