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all right, good morning, everyone. i'm john berman. >> and i'm poppy harlow. we are now just six days away to the hour from what will go down in history as potentially unprecedented testimony, or are we? >> just a short while ago, one of the president's top aides would not rule out using executive privilege to keep -- well, the president using executive privilege, to keep the man that he fired, james comey, from testifying before the senate intelligence committee. let's get straight to joe johns at the white house, what we're
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learning about this. joe. >> reporter: hi, john. well, this is drama. the date's now set. it's next thursday, june 8th. and the big question in washington, d.c., right now is what will former fbi director james comey say on capitol hill? what won't he say? what can't he say? because there is a special counsel investigation under way right now. there is also drama surrounding the question of whether the administration might try to block his testimony by invoking the doctrine of executive privilege, which protects the conversations and communications between certain high-ranking members of the government, including the president. so, listen now to how presidential adviser kellyanne conway talks about the testimony next week of james comey on another network this morning. >> does he want former director comey to testify before congress? >> well, we'll be watching with the rest of the world when director comey testifies. the last time he testified under
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oath, the fbi had to scurry to correct that testimony. he was off by hundreds of thousands in his count. his sworn testimony count of the number of information, the number of e-mails that huma abedin allegedly sent to her husband, anthony weiner. he said there were hundreds of thousands. turns out it was not and they were classified -- >> so the president will invoke executive privilege? >> the president will make that decision. >> reporter: a couple of problems with invoking executive privilege. number one, james comey's no longer a government employee. number two, the president may have waived it, some experts say, because he's talked so much and tweeted so much about james comey, the russia investigation, and related issues. so, all up in the air. john and poppy, back to you. >> all right, joe johns at the white house, thank you very much. now to the new questions surrounding conflicting stories about jared kushner's meeting with russia's banker, sergey gorkov. the "washington post" now reporting the meeting may have taken place one day before gorkov got in a plane to fly to meet with vladimir putin. our dianne gallagher is in washington with all of the
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details. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, poppy, john. and yeah, this situation isn't a case of did the meeting happen, it's why did the meeting happen, and they can't seem to get on the same page about that, which, a, of course, doesn't look very good, but it also has the potential to be a serious problem in the future. a u.s. official tells us that the fbi is looking into these specific discrepancies. the banker is sergey gorkov. he's the chairman of a u.s.-sanctioned russian bank, and he's also a former spy who we're told has very close ties to president vladimir putin. the white house tells us that kushner met with him in his official transition role, official capacity, kind of along the lines of foreign relations. but the bank said that this was strictly business, as in credit business, real estate business, and kushner was not a representative of trump. so, the question here is when did the meeting take place? and it's a little bit hazy. we know it happened sometime in december. cnn has reported that the russian ambassador, sergey kislyak, also had a secret
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meeting with kushner back in the first days of december. that's where our sources say that kislyak urged kushner to meet with gorkov. well, according to some great reporting from the "washington post," there was a private jet linked to gorkov that flew from moscow to the states on december 13th. the "post" said they couldn't confirm that gorkov was on the flight, but the plane left from newark to japan the next day. and on december 15th and 16th, putin was in japan. russian media said gorkov was going to be there joining him. here's the thing, though, with all of that, kushner initially left that gorkov meeting and the one with kislyak off his security form. he did add them a day later, but that's after they were reported in the media. we have reported that kushner, john and poppy, is saying that he will speak with the senate intel committee about anything related to the russia investigation. >> all right, dianne gallagher in washington. thank you. alice coneit is joining us now, former rnc and white house spokesman. david gergen, political analyst and former adviser to many presidents.
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and dan fife, cnn political commentator, former senior adviser to president obama. david gergen, "the new york times" yesterday raised the possibility of the president declaring executive privilege. i sort of raised my eyebrows and went, oh? when kellyanne conway would not rule it out this morning, i sort of went, wow! look, we don't know if the president will try to block james comey from testifying. what we do know is that it's not a definite no right now, and to me, that seems significant. >> it is significant, john. it would be a major decision by the president. it would be extremely controversial, where he could try to block him. i think it would probably lead to maybe some sort of court action about whether the president waived his right to invoke executive privilege, just as we heard from joe johns. there is a question about all the tweeting around what the president himself has said. is he really going to be able to legally block somebody else from describing what happend when he himself has put out his own version?
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but i must say, i think it would be a terrible mistake for the white house to invoke executive privilege. they ought to look back to what ronald reagan did when he was in the midst of the iran contra crisis, and that is -- and he was being accused of all sorts of things. there was even talk of impeaching ronald reagan in his second term over iran contra. and what did reagan do? he waived executive privilege for everyone. he said, i want everybody to go testify. he made all the documents available to the congress. he essentially was totally transparent, and he appears to have made the whole thing go away. this white house should take a lesson out of that book. >> the second newsy part of what kellyanne conway said is she directly, without being asked, started discrediting james comey, saying he got facts wrong, which is correct in his last congressional testimony. but does it seem like a strategy that this white house is coming
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forward with, that they will try to discredit anything james comey says? how significant is that, what kellyanne conway did? >> it's a great question and a great point. but look, they're acting appropriately in that case in the sense that this is going to be fought in the court of public opinion, not in a legal courtroom. so, rather than lawyering up like some people in the trump administration seem to be urging the president do, he should be more transparent about what happened. he should lay out all the facts, as david just said. he should waive executive privilege for everybody. he should make all the documents available. he should give a big press conference where he answers all these questions, encourage his staff, encourage his son-in-law to talk to the media, to talk publicly about what happened so we can get all of the facts out there and move on. and so, to your question about what should they do about comey, they should let him testify, but they should also that same day present their version of events. don't just let comey be the only voice out there. recognize that this is a political fight. they need to be waging a campaign, and that starts with getting the facts out and framing what happened in terms that are most favorable to the
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president. >> dan pfiefer, i'm curious what you're going to be looking for next thursday at this time, remembering james comey, we think, is going to testify that the president tried to get him to back off the michael flynn investigation. and when he says that, he'll no longer be an anonymous source, or there won't be anonymous sources feeding that story. it's going to be someone saying it under oath in front of cameras, in front of the whole nation. >> yeah, i'll look for a couple things. one, see how comey recounts the dinner they had, the conversation in the oval office. whether his details matches up with reporting we've all read in recent weeks. the image of that is potentially very powerful for people around the country and will be played on a loop on tv and the internet. i'm also curious to see how republican members of the committee react, because we should be very clear that this is basically the textbook example of abuse of power. it is what when we think about watergate, what nixon did. and i want to see whether they are going to seem like they really want to get to the bottom of what happened with both the hacking and what the trump administration has done around
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the investigation, or is it just going to be reading partisan talking points to support trump? because republicans are sticking by trump out of pure primal tribalism, he will be okay in the short term. but if they begin to turn, this could change quickly. >> we had congressma congressma hour and said absolutely, the president should invoke executive privilege. >> does he have the right. >> he never said the president should not do this. and he said, you know, it's, you know, a one-sided story otherwise. james comey just gets to say his bit. but has the president not already told at least part of his side of the story on multiple mediums, on twitter, in these network interviews? >> well, yes, by labelling it fake news and attacking comey, but he still hasn't answered -- >> and detailing his conversations with comey, in part. >> to a certain extent. but look, i think that transparency here is the friend of the trump administration.
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if they try to hold back information, if they try to prevent people from speaking to congress, speaking to republicans in congress, mind you, if they try to prevent that, it's going to end in disaster for the trump administration. time is not their friend here. they need to get all of the facts out. they need to be more transparent. they should encourage people to go testify before congress, and they should say out of hand, they should reject out of hand this idea that they're going to assert executive privilege to prevent somebody like comey from testifying before the republicans' congress who asked him to come testify. so look, i think that they are handling this not very well in the sense that they're listening to the lawyers instead of the communicators, and this is at the end of the day a public relations problem, not a legal problem for the administration. it's going to be fought -- >> transparency. >> -- in the political arena. >> if transparency is a friend of this, it doesn't hang out much. i'll just say that. david gergen, there are talks about jared kushner's meeting
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with the russian banker and if this story matches up with the russians'. inside the white house, because you've been there a lot, what's it like to be a senior adviser right now when the focus is on you for something potentially untoward? >> it's extremely uncomfortable. it's very distracting. it's very hard to get your mind on business. and you spend a lot of time with lawyers, because in this case right now, jared kushner has to be extremely careful what he says to people. he cannot be in a position where it's later claimed that he's witness-hampering. people around him are going to eventually testify. if he goes up and gives them instructions about how to think about this or that, that could be considered tampering. it's one of the reasons why i think that jared kushner should be considering the possibility, in a serious way, of taking a leave of absence. you know, his views were rejected by the president on climate change. his views have been rejected on
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some other things. he must wonder, you know, why am i taking this beating as i am inside here? and maybe there's a better way to handle this and take a temporary leave of absence while they clear the air, and i do agree, transparency should be the friend of this administration. >> yeah, it's mind-boggling jared hasn't given an interview since these accusations were first raised. the american people should hear from him directly, and he should answer these questions. and then we can move on. >> he is on the cover of "time" magazine this week. remember when that was steve bannon, when he wasn't in a great light not that long ago. we'll watch. guys, thank you very much. have a great weekend. alex conant, david gergen, dan pfiefer. it could be the most significant congressional testimony since watergate. fired fbi director james comey set to testify six days to the hour from now on capitol hill. the journalist who blew the lid off watergate, carl bernstein, joins us. >> a little something about a comparison right there. plus, the president cites
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expected to say that he felt pressured by the president to end the investigation of michael flynn. >> right. joining us now, cnn political analyst carl bernstein. obviously, carl knows a little bit about investigations, both journalistic and otherwise, as one of the key reporters behind the watergate coverage way back when. carl, thanks so much for being with us. as james comey is six days away now from testifying, a very big moment, what will you be looking for next week at this time? >> to find out what the narrative is that the fbi was doing under his leadership and whether or not the president directed him to curtail the fbi investigation, how that was worded. but i think something much bigger is happening right now, and that is that we need to understand what is being covered up by the president of the united states and those around him. the fbi knows there's a cover-up going on, but we don't know what the cover-up is about. is it about financial matters
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with the trump organization? is it about actual collusion with russians? we're going to find that out as these investigations move on. and what we're seeing, particularly from the white house, is the president of the united states playing to his base, sending out kellyanne conway this morning. she's a serial fabulist. sending her out to go to the base, because that is what he is betting, trump is betting, is his insurance policy as these investigations close in, that his base will not abandon him. and it's also even related to the decision, i'm told, to go ahead and get the united states out of the climate agreement, because it appeals to his base. he needs that base, because these investigators are making real progress. >> the president, though, apparently didn't send out kellyanne conway fully armed with all the facts, because she didn't have an answer when she
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was asked will the white house invoke executive privilege here, and this testimony is supposed to be in six days. we were just speaking about who the pivot point could be of the republicans who sit on the intelligence committee that he will testify in front of. who is going to be most important, do you believe, from the republican side in their line of questioning? >> i don't know who they've designated, and i don't think it makes much difference. what we're going to see are members of that committee on both sides comport themselves in different ways, and we'll find out whether or not republicans are interested in getting to the truth in these matters or whether they want to continue the white house line that the real issue here is leaks, the press, democrats, the president's political enemies, the same kind of agenda that we heard kellyanne conway time and time again put out there that has nothing to do with the real
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facts here, which is the russians interfered in our free elections, and we need to know what the president and those around him might have done that would have advanced the interest of the russians, whether witting or unwittingly. that's what the president is up against. that's what people in the white house tell me he is concerned about, what knowledge might be forthcoming about that, witting or unwitting, on his part and those around him, including his son-in-law, including others. we need to see what these people are going to testify. we've got a long way to go in these congressional investigations, but especially, keep in mind, we have a special prosecutor -- >> indeed. >> -- who is gearing up for a huge investigation. >> and along those lines, carl, first of all, you say there's a cover-up here. the white house calls it a witch hunt. you know, so there's a difference of opinion between you and the white house on this. i will say that. but you say there's a special prosecutor --
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>> i -- >> hang on, carl. there's obviously a special prosecutor investigation, which gets me to my question about james comey. how much do you think he will be willing to discuss? because you laid out a whole bunch of areas that you'd like to hear from him, but how far do you think he'll be willing to go? will he just talk about the conversations he had with the president insofar as it relates to michael flynn? will he talk about the russia investigation? >> i'm a great believer in a situation like this to be a reporter and let's wait and see what happens. it depends partly on what he and the special prosecutor have agreed can go before this committee without endangering the special prosecutor's investigation and his witnesses, et cetera, et cetera. but in terms of a cover-up, there is no question that there is a cover-up going on. it doesn't mean that there's an obstruction of justice. but when we see kellyanne conway, the president of the united states, those who work for him, refuse to go into the
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details for six months now of what happened during their campaign, that is why the special prosecutor, the fbi, have proceeded on the assumption that there is -- more than an assumption -- a cover-up. it doesn't mean it's an obstruction of justice, that the law has necessarily been broken, but in terms of covering up to keep the american people, the congress of the united states, and investigators from knowing all the relevant facts, it's undeniable, and people in the white house will tell you that. >> carl bernstein, thank you so much for being with us. have an excellent weekend, sir. appreciate your time. >> thank you. president trump said he made his decision on the paris climate deal for places like youngstown, ohio. is youngstown, ohio, saying thank you this morning? into the what you think. we're going to speak to the mayor next.
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youngstown, ohio, detroit, michigan, and pittsburgh, pennsylvania, along with many, many other locations within our great country, before paris, france. >> you heard it there. so, the big question this morning, is youngstown, ohio, thanking the president for ditching the paris climate deal? the mayor of youngstown, john mcnally, joins us now. thank you for being here, mayor. >> good morning, poppy. how are you doing today? >> good morning. we are well. so, your reaction to the president's move, and is this going to mean more jobs in youngstown? >> well, first i'd like to thank the president for the mention yesterday and also, actually, the day before we received a $200,000 brown field redevelopment grant from the u.s. epa. so, i feel sort of funny criticizing the president today, but we are a little bit confused how we got thrown into the
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discussion about the paris accords and the u.s. withdrawal away from the agreement is not going to create more jobs in the youngstown area, not going to create jobs in mahoning county, so we would certainly ask the president to reconsider his decision, but at the same time, we'll take whatever other help he can provide us to. >> why do you think he's bringing you up then? what is it about youngstown that makes him bring it up? is he just plain wrong? >> well, i think a couple things first. youngstown is an economically challenged city. it's been challenged since 1977 when we lost 25,000 steel jobs. we're close to, you know, the pittsburgh/west virginia area and the coal industries. the president has talked about trying to bring back the coal industry, talked about trying to bring back the steel industry. and while we certainly appreciate the talk of improving the steel industry in our local area, i don't believe that withdrawing the united states
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from the paris accords is the appropriate course to take. i believe, you know, right now we're left with, what, nicaragua and syria as the only two countries probably on the planet who are not part of the agreement. and it's part of being a major country on the planet, the u.s. has certain burdens. being a leader on the issue of climate change is one of those, so i'd like to see the president reconsider his decision as soon as possible. >> so you were not the only city that was called out. pittsburgh got a big shout-out yesterday from the president. here's how the mayor of pittsburgh responded. >> i call it false hope. and i know them. i know them personally. they live around our city. i have family that lives in west virginia. and what i say to them is look at the example of what pittsburgh was able to do. if there was ever a hope from the paris agreement in an example of a city, anderson, our air was so bad, we had to have our street lights on 24 hours. but we understood that we would build out a new economy and it would take time.
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>> so, what he's going to do in response, he told anderson, is this morning sign an executive order that outlines that the city of pittsburgh will stick to the 2030 environmental and climate guidelines and meet all their benchmark goals as they existed before the u.s. pulled out of this deal. are you thinking about doing something similar? >> yeah, i think a lot of this discussion will be taken back to our city council. and i think that's one of the benefits of the discussion that's taking place right now is that cities all across the midwest, what we typically call the rust belt areas, i think are going to get more involved in this discussion about climate change and the paris accords and the president's actions yesterday. i think you're going to look at groups like the u.s. conference of mayors, the national league of cities, the ohio mayors alliance, really push their city members in smaller cities especially, to get more involved in the issue of climate change and to become more knowledgeable about it. i think that's a challenge for a
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lot of us, to make sure we're up to speed on this and to move our forward city. here in downtown youngstown in the past three years we've built up three new apartment buildings. we had the first hotel in downtown youngstown in 50 years being constructed, all highly energy-efficient buildings. our new city courthouse will be opened up later on this year. >> right. >> a very energy-efficient building. we all have to take certain steps to reduce our carbon footprint. for smaller cities that don't have the resources of the larger cities across the country and across the globe, we have to make sure we're involved in this process as well. >> all right. mayor john mcnally of youngstown, ohio, thanks so much for being with us. appreciate it, sir. >> thank you guys. all right, so, on this show and on this network, we value facts, and you have heard the president promise to bring back coal jobs, a lot of them, and to end the economic misery that far too many americans are coping with. well, president trump signed an executive order in march to reverse limits on the use of coal. he told a group of miners at
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that ceremony, you are going back to work. in kentucky, a woman named donna kumer, who manages a gas station, told us after the election the coal trucks are out. so, here are some facts. >> okay, coal jobs in kentucky alone have fallen 64% since the end of 2011, u.s. coal jobs have fallen 50% since the end of 2011, and a driving reason for this is that electricity in the united states, more of it came from natural gas than coal. the amount of coal used to produce electricity in the u.s. has fallen about 35% since 2007. why? because natural gas prices have plunged. the cost to produce natural gas fell 71% from 2008 to 2016, while coal fell only 8% during that time. last week the president's top economic adviser, gary cohn, said coal doesn't even make that much sense anymore as a fee stock. >> 7,500 coal jobs have been added since the election. there are about 50,000 coal miners in america right now. point of comparison for you -- jcpenney, the big retailer, they
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correspondent ivan watson joins us now with the latest. ivan, what are you learning? >> reporter: well, john, we've got various isis sources that are claiming this was an isis attack at this casino and hotel, which resulted in the deaths of 37 people. they're putting out claims saying that they were targeting christian warriors, as they described it. but the philippine government says the opposite. they say there are no connections to terror, that the gunman wasn't shooting people. he set fire to casino gambling tables using a can of gasoline that he poured over it, and they say if he was truly a jihadi militant, he would have been shooting the people. they also claim that he tried to steal millions of dollars worth of casino chips, another one of the arguments that they're using to argue that this was a robbery and not a terrorist attack. john and poppy? >> all right, ivan watson. some confusing explanations right there. thanks for keeping us updated. appreciate it. a significant development this morning in the investigation into the terror
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attack in manchester, england. police have located a car that might help them track the movements of the bomber in the days leading up to the attack. >> authorities have evacuated the area. they're looking at this vehicle. we'll show it to you. it's said to be a white nissan micra. i think we have it. they're asking for the public's help, if anyone has any information. according to a new report, the trump administration had a secret plan to drop sanctions against russia. that is according to one report. it sparked a behind-the-scenes battle, apparently, inside of the state department. what happened? you'll hear next from someone who was in the middle of that battle. [customer] i can access the atm with just my phone? [team member] yep. now in the wells fargo mobile app you can request a one-time access code to use the atm. [customer] that's much better! you know, that would come in handy when i'm out for a run. [team member] or, a bike ride. [customer] or, when you left your card in your yesterday pants. [team member] or walking the dog. [customer] or walking your dog. i have a dog. [team member] that is exactly the situation this was
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all right, a new report this morning from yahoo news. a former state department official says there was a secret effort by the incoming trump administration to drop the sanctions that president obama placed on russia during a transition. >> what followed was an intense, behind-the-scenes battle pitting former obama officials and state department officials against the incoming trump administration
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team. joining us now is the state department employee who broke this story. he spoke first to yahoo news, former u.s. ambassador dan freed served as chief coordinator for sanctions until he retired recently in february. thank you for being here, ambassador. >> my pleasure. >> let's go through this bit by bit, detail by detail. what did you see, and by whom? >> in the early days and weeks of the trump administration, a number of colleagues throughout the government approached me to say that they believed the trump administration was planning to unilaterally lift sanctions on russia. now, lifting sanctions on russia is something we want to do when the russians have, well, met the conditions and solved the problem for which sanctions were put on in the first place. but lifting sanctions without the russians doing anything, as a free gift, struck me --
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strikes me now -- as a bad, bad idea. my colleagues were concerned about this, and so was i at the time. >> you said lifting sanctions is something we want to do at the appropriate time, but who's we here, ambassador? because if the trump administration after january 20th, you know, the president was in power, isn't the we that matters the current administration? >> well, that's certainly right, and it's in the president's -- it's the president's prerogatives to lift sanctions. but now, and subsequently, the trump administration has said that it will keep sanctions in place until the russians are, well, out of eastern ukraine, more or less. but when i said we want to lift sanctions, the we in that case is, was the outgoing obama administration, but also our european allies, the canadians also, the japanese, the
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australians. in other words, a coalition of the world's leading democracies all impose sanctions together in response to russia's aggression against ukraine, and we all agreed that we would put on the sanctions together and we would take off the sanctions together at the right time. now, it's the right of the incoming administration to change this policy, but they -- i would hope they would do so after thinking it through and doing it in a rush and without good reason related to an american interest i can identify struck me as a bad idea. >> we should note you're a career diplomat. you've worked under republican and democratic presidents before. >> that's right. >> what do you do about it? because there is reporting that you went to senator ben cardin to try to do something about it, to try to pass some legislation that would impact the ability to do this. is that correct, and can you detail what you did for us? >> well, i have enormous respect for senator cardin. i did not meet with him after the change of administration,
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but it is true that i was in regular contact with congressional staff. and although i never have lobbied them, i did feel obligated to share what i knew. and officials in the executive branch regularly are asked and offer to work with the congress. and i take that seriously. we should be working with the congress. that doesn't mean that we don't -- that we share everything or that we agree. >> sure. >> but i think it was important on the issue of sanctions to work in both a bipartisan way, which i did during the administration, and to work across the branches of government, which i also did, yes. >> would it be a fair interpretation -- because at the time, you were under the employ of the state department, you were a u.s. government employee. >> quite right. >> would it be a fair interpretation that you were working against the policy of
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the administration that you were working for at the time? >> oh, not at all. if there had been a policy of the administration to lift the sanctions, whether i liked it or not, i would respect it. that's my job. that's my professional obligation. what i was reacting to was simply a rumor that some people in the incoming administration were going to make a very bad decision. that's different. once a decision is taken, all of us career people are supposed to and we do salute and carry it out to the best of my ability, and i would have done so. >> ambassador, you say this is based on a rumor. and at the beginning of the interview, you say they believed, and you call it a very bad decision. isn't that your opinion that it would be a very bad decision to lift these sanctions at that time? and is this any more than just
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rumors? is there anything you witnessed or heard yourself firsthand? >> i heard firsthand from a number of people within the administration who were in a position to know. that's all i'll say. i won't get into the detail. >> can i ask you, ambassador, did you see any evidence that the trump administration, at that point, the trump transition, had set anything in motion prior to the inauguration? because then that would be a different story here. >> i didn't see anything concrete. i know nothing more than is in the public domain. that is the statements made by the trump campaign during the campaign. those are familiar. and what is in the public record. that is simply -- that was politics. but after the inauguration, when i heard that actually this might happen very quickly, that there were plans being carried out to lift sanctions, something i can
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and i'm not now verifying, but something i heard from a number of people, i was concerned. now, you're right, if it were policy, if that were the set policy of the administration, that's one thing. but if it's simply an idea, well, people have in my position, i think, have an obligation to push back and explain why we think it's a bad idea. >> right. ambassador dan fried -- >> and giving away something for nothing to the russians strikes me as bad policy. >> ambassador dan fried, we appreciate you coming on this morning, helping clear this up. an interesting report to say the least. thank you, sir. >> my pleasure. this morning, portland police have apprehended a suspect accused of taking the wedding band and a backpack from that army veteran who was killed trying to protect an innocent individual during that last week's stabbing attack on the train. the items were taken from ricky betts while he was on board that commuter train after he was stabbed while defending two women during the attack. it's not clear if the wedding
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increasingly, people want to see penguins. they are much loved by, you know, children everywhere. a lot of people would like to come to antarctica as tourists and look at penguins up close. the international environment without impacting them in a negative way. is that a good thing? >> the thing about antarctica is that most scientists just kind of like, you know, keep their nose to the grind stone. so, the only advocacy for antarctica has to come from the public. it's very valuable to have these tours, because people have an ownership of, you know, they've been there and they see it. >> what keeps you coming back? i mean, other than the work? >> i wanted to come to
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antarctica, as i heard it was a very severe place and, you know, nature was the king, daunting. having a chance to be humbled by something greater than you is i think an important part of being here. >> wow. all right, joining us now, anthony bourdain. you know, tony, when you think about antarctica, you think about the penguins, which we saw right there. >> yeah. >> but what may be more fascinating is what people don't know about, which is the people who are there. >> well, we were guests of the national science foundation and the main american base down there is a station where between 600 and 1,000 people work under extraordinarily difficult physical conditions, all in support of an elite group of scientists doing research in various fields. and everybody, whether they're, you know, providing fuel, work in front end loaders, heavy
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equipment, carpenters, riggers -- there are people from all walks of life, often very highly educated, who have chosen to go to this incredibly difficult place, live in very difficult conditions, supporting the pursuit of pure science and knowledge. and it's a very unusual subculture in a community unlike anyplace i've ever been. >> it's a place where, as you say in that clip, nature is king. >> yeah. >> and the scientists you were with said, you know, to be humbled by something greater than you. you've seen a lot of the world. was it a humbling experience? >> you are aware -- antarctica is a place where if you were not prepared and you are not careful, things can go really, really bad very, very quickly. in order to go there, we all had to get, you know, a full physical, dental work-ups, because you know, if your helicopter goes down, you know, has to make an emergency landing, and the weather gets ugly, there are conditions of, i
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mean, incredibly extreme difficult conditions potentially. so, everybody has to be prepared for that possibility at all times. >> yeah, so much that can happen that is completely beyond your control. >> yeah. >> and getting there is incredibly complicated. getting out is incredibly complicated. >> it's big. it looks like no other place on earth. it is clean. it is pristine. there's not a single cigarette butt or bit of waste anywhere. everybody from whatever country removes everything off of that continent and tries to impact the continent as little as possible. but it's as close to going to mars as you can get on this planet. it really is another world. >> i can't wait to see it. thank you, anthony bourdain. appreciate it. it airs sunday night, 9:00 p.m. right here. don't miss that must-see tv. thank you all for joining us today. have a great weekend. i'm poppy harlow. >> i'm wearing a very different tie than i was just ten seconds ago. >> you gave away our secret. >> i'm john berman. "at this hour with kate bolduan"
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"at this hour with kate bolduan" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com thank you, john. thank you, poppy. hello, everyone. i am kate bolduan. mark your calendars. next thursday, we are just six days away now from what could be the most explosive and dramatic congressional testimony in a generation. former fbi director james comey now set to testify before the senate intelligence committee about russian interference into the 2016 election, a probe that comey was leading until the president fired him. comey's expected to lay out his version of events from private conversations with president trump. did the president ask comey to shut down the investigation into michael flynn? a big question, and we may soon have a definitive answer, unless, of course, the plot thickens and president trump tries to assert executive privilege to keep comey quiet. while all of this is happening, another president is speaking out, russia's president, vladimir putin, for the first time seeming to hint

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