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on the switch, people started paying for the subscription, and we knew this would be a big business. you're in the "cnn newsroom." hello on this saturday. i'm ana cabrera in new york. this is one of the most pivotal weeks in the trump add m. fired fbi director james comey is in the hot seat on thursday. testifyi testifying publicly before the congress. comey asked for a pledge of loyalty, or the one where the president asked him to drop the investigation into michael flynn. now, their meetings are said to have made comey so uncomfortable, he made notes about them afterward. now there's a chance mr. trump could use executive privilege and stop comey from talking. right now the white house isn't
explicitly saying it intends to do that, but according to the new york times it's becoming highly unlikely. two senior administration officials telling the paper will president will let comey speak. let's talk more about what comey will testify about this thursday. first, kimberly dosher, and business reporter for "the wall street journal," shelby holiday. so, shelby, comey's testimony is now compared to anita hill back in 1991 when she went on and testified about sexually being harassed by clarence thomas who was at the time being confirmed by the u.s. supreme court. is this so built up, that people will be let down? >> the hype is certainly there. obviously we're talking about different issues, different people. all eyes are on comey this week. people are curious whether or not he will be able to testify in the first place. the white house does seem at this point that it thinks it's too politically risky to invoke executive privilege to prevent comey from going under
testifying. we will see him up there, i believe. but there are so many questions. and they're very nuanced tiny questions that would tell us a lot. for example, did president trump invite comey to dinner or did comey invited president trump to dinner? president trump said one thing, comey may say another thing. president trump's been very vocal about his relationship with comey. he's spoken to lester holt about it, tweets about it. he puts it all out there. whatever comey says that contradicts president trump will raise even more questions about this russia probe. >> and create further investigation. kimberly, all of this keeps going back to russia. counterterrorism expert richard clark was on cnn earlier today. clark served under president bush. he talked about this. let's listen. >> if this isn't ignorance, and it doesn't look like just ignorance, why are they doing it? why is there a russian under every rock? why is there a russian involved in everything this administration has done and everything involved in the campaign?
>> so it does seem that every move this administration makes either involves or benefits russia. >> well, i'll add another why. why don't they explain some of these relationships and be more transparent about it. because their refusal to explain, for instance, jared kushner's refusal to explain what he was discussing before the press, not just through a statement, but tell the press, what were you discussing with a russian banker? that just fuels everyone who is suspicious of this administration, and those investigating, was there any collusion between members of the trump transition team, or the trump campaign team, and russia. it could be a simple matter of, you know, the trump team was coming from behind. there weren't many major political leaders willing to talk to them. they had preexisting relationships with russians. russians want to be onboard in
such an influential election. and defying his own expectations. could it be as simple as loyalty stemming back from that, and wanting to thumb their nose at the obama administration by restarting relations with russia? maybe. but they're not explaining that. >> so shelby, the thing is, though, he can't talk about the investigation into the russia election meddling, because, again, he's not part of the fbi. and that part of the investigation is in the purview of robert mueller, the special counsel. >> right. >> the fbi continues to investigate. we also have the senate committee investigations ongoing. but he can talk about these private meetings with president trump. do you think he'll have the memos that we heard so much about? >> this is the first time we'll hear about comey as a private citizen. he could have those memos. he's likely to be asked a number of questions about whether or not these meetings were
uncomfortable, whether or not trump asked for a pledge of loyalty. i think we should also note that comey testifying just in and of itself will get under president trump's skin. when he fired him, he said comey is a showboat, and comey has been running his mouth and speaking on the hill. that will be interesting to see how the president reacts. so far he hasn't tweeted much about the russia probe. i'm not sure if that has to do with the special outside group that's being put together to handle inquiries into the russia investigation? or a communications -- >> now this week, on a couple of locations during the press briefings, say all questions are going to be directed to the president's private lawyer, not the white house counsel. >> we are seeing indications that they are at least streamlining communications. when it comes to this investigation, you never know, trump may fire off a tweet. >> he tweeted all through
comey's testimony in march when the campaign was under investigation for collusion, potentially. kimberly, at the end of the day, though, even if the sanctions stay in place with russia, is putin still getting this democratic disruption he may have wanted? >> well, absolutely, this has not only worked well, but possibly went a little too far if moscow was trying to undermine the democratic political system here, and stir up suspicion between the political parties. at its best, in terms of what moscow wanted, you've got republicans and democrats in such a heightened partisan state, that it is impossible to see them accomplishing much on capitol hill. it's frozen the u.s. government in some terms because of all this controversy. but at worst, moscow is not getting the benefits that it might have gotten out of the trump administration in terms of
seeing those sanctions lifted and seeing some sort of a warming of diplomatic relations and cooperation on things like the syrian war. >> kimberly and shelby, thank you both. be sure to watch our special coverage of former fbi director james comey's testimony. it will be live thursday at 9:00 a.m. right here on cnn. you can also stream it online. now, vladimir putin has been very vocal this week into russian meddling into the 2016 presidential election. the russian president said people who blame russia for the election hacks are like anti-semits. take a listen. >> translator: he found an approach to electorate who bought it for him. the other team decided not to meet their errors, their mistakes. they decided not to admit that they did not think all the way through. they decided to say it's not our
fault, it's the russians' fault. it smells like anti-semitism, to blame jews of everything. >> meanwhile, president trump's top adviser and son-in-law jared kushner is under fire for his private meeting with a russian banker during the trump transition. matthew chance tracked down that banker and questioned sergei in st. petersburg. matthew? >> reporter: sergei has emerged as a key figure in the sprawling allegations surrounding the trump administration and its connections with the kremlin. he heads an institution of a bank sanctioned by the united states. he was appointed to that post by vladimir putin, and like the russian president, he's a former russian intelligence officer. it's with this man that jared kushner, president trump's special adviser and son i law
had a private if not secret meeting in trump tower last december in new york. the white house says the meeting was about diplomacy, that kushner attended in his capacity as a trump transition team member. the bank, however, insists the talks were about business and that kushner represented his family's sprawling property empire. sergei is a very hard man to track down. but i caught up with him after he had spoken to economic students here at the university here in the russian city of st. petersburg. quick question, what did you really speak to jared kushner about in new york when you met him in december? >> no comment. >> did you talk about sanctions? >> no comments. >> what was discussed? the white house said it was a diplomatic meeting, that kushner met you as part of the transition team. your bank said it was a business meeting. >> thank you so much. >> reporter: clearly he was not at all happy about being confronted on the issue of his contact with the trump team.
we did offer his office the opportunity to answer our questions more fully, given the controversy in the united states. but the response was a firm no. matthew chance, cnn, st. petersburg, in russia. turning now to some devastating news out of afghanistan. seven people were killed, more than 100 were hurt today in a trio of suicide bombings in kabul during the funeral for an anti-government protester who was killed in demonstrations this week. the head of afghanistan was at the funeral, but survived this attack. the violence coming as much of kabul is under lockdown amid the anti-government demonstrations going on. done with evading the questions. nikki haley is the first trump official to comment on the president's belief on climate change. what she told cnn, next. you're live in the "cnn newsroom." is this thing on? huh? come on! your turn! where do pencils go on vacation? pennsylvania! (laughter)
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climate change. u.s. ambassador to the u.n. nikki haley said the president does believe the climate is changing. she sat down with cnn's jake tapper. watch how this goes. >> thank you. we're going to do it. >> the president's america first campaign promise, on full display. >> we don't want other leaders and other countries laughing at us anymore. and they won't be. they won't be. >> here in greenville, iowa, that message is hitting home. >> i think people are sick and tired of the federal government, and in some instances the state governments not working for their own people. you know, why shouldn't the american citizen be first in the eyes of the american government. >> barack obama carried the state in 2012. just four years later, donald trump won iowa by nearly ten points. many voters here embraced his campaign promise that he would stand up to the rest of the world. >> why should we want to at the
very least treat ourselves fairly first. i think that was the message of donald trump's campaign. >> for small business owners, like theresa cadre setting up a market in west des moines, the local economy feels strong. she voted for donald trump. and believes he has her best interests in mind. >> i think he can do it. i'm going to be fair about it. but i also think that he's trying, but the way he knows how. you know, i think he's just got a different way of going about it. >> a way that may sometimes make her feel uncomfortable. >> it might appear coming off strong or whatever, but this is what he's really trying to do, and it makes sense. instead of taking everything he says literally. which you should be careful on that. >> but to the trump supporters here, it is still a better way. >> i think every day that he wakes up and gets, you know, taken on by the rachel maddows
of the world and kathy griffins of the world, he becomes more popular with that group. >> one of the main reasons donald trump sticks close to those issues and the main message that initially got him elected. >> and we will make america great again. >> i want to bring in ryan. that was not the right sound we were initially thinking we were talking to. but ryan, we wanted to include -- we'll come to you next and your great piece there from iowa. you've been speaking to all the folks there, reacting to what we've heard in the last few days. give us your sense of how things are going for the administration in that state, where the president and the vice president won by about ten points in the election. >> reporter: yeah, you know, ana, it's not a big surprise that donald trump escapes washington from time to time. and his advisers said often he feeds off the momentum that he receives from these crowds in states like iowa and pennsylvania and michigan.
states that were once in the hands of democrats, and then went for republicans the last time around. i have to tell you, ben and i went out for about 48 hours, we talked to a lot of voters, republicans and democrats, and there's no doubt that republicans are sticking close to this president. they like his approach. they feel that -- they feel like his attitude of putting america first is exactly what they wanted to hear. that's the reason they voted for him. in boone, iowa, we heard from the vice president and he really doubled down on that. he described the administration as being very successful up until this point. and this crowd fed off it. they cheered loud for many of those points, including every time donald trump's name was mentioned. we should point out, though, ana, one thing that never came up today was russia, and we didn't hear the name james comey, and we didn't hear anything about the controversies facing this white house which are real and substantive. but at this point here, on the ground in iowa, trump still retains a lot of that support
from republicans. >> thank you, ryan, reporting from iowa for us. now, climate change alone hasn't really ever been a top issue on the ballot. could sticking to his nationalist and pop list agenda be a political win for president trump? we have a breakdown of the poll numbers at the magic wall. john? >> visitors to the oval office say the president gives them his version, a paper version of a map like this. when he makes big decisions, especially about economic issues, he looks at this map. particularly the president looks at this. the former blue states he turned red in last year's elections. the climate change decision he made actually is risky for the president politically. if you look at the data, it's not what the american people want. 90% of democrats as you see think climate change is real. the majority of republicans think climate change is real. 54% there. what about the specifics? should we stay or should we go when it comes to the paris climate change deal? millennials, generation x,
younger voters, they their support is higher. why would the president get out? analysts look at it from a more political perspective. 86% of democrats say stay in the paris accords. but 51% of republicans say stay in. almost half of the president's voters, 47% of trump voters say stay in the paris climate change accord. the president was not doing this because his base was overwhelmingly demanding, hey, get out based on climate change. the president looks at this map, remembers the last election, and thinks, on every big decision, he's going to make the point that for these people here, whether you're in coal mining or manufacturing, it's not about climb change, it's about jobs. >> thank you, john king. now, france tops the u.s. on the climate again. why the newly elected french leader is seizing the spotlight, standing up to president trump and other world leaders. you're live in the "cnn
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agreement. had we even attempted to do that. so i think we have to look at what's realistic. we've got a president who is going to watch out for the environment. it's what we do, it's who we are. we are going to continue to be a leader in the environment. the rest of the world wanted to tell us how to do it, but we're saying we'll do it, but under our terms. >> the standards were set by the united states for the united states. just to be clear on this climate -- >> no, the standards were set by president obama. and not passed through the senate because the standards couldn't have been achieved. >> but my point is, you said the world was imposing standards on the united states. the president of the united states at the time is the one who set the standards. but moving that aside for one second, i want to be clear on this, you're not willing to acknowledge that calling climate change a chinese hoax is just a big box of crazy? >> president trump believes the climate is changing. and he believes pollutants are part of that equation. so that is the fact. that is where we are. that's where it stands.
he knows that it's changing. he knows that the u.s. has to be responsible with it. that's what we're going to do. just because we got out of a club doesn't mean that we don't care about the environment. >> you can catch the rest of that interview tomorrow on cnn's "state of the union" at 9:00 a.m. eastern right here on cnn. let me bring in cnn senior economic analyst and paris hilton's c hilton -- president trump's manager. the trump administration and you have said pulling out of the accord will create jobs. the biggest driver of jobs right now is clean energy. here are the numbers from the department of energy. clean energy jobs 362,000, natural gas. 102 in wind power. so solar employment also is expanded in the last year, 17 times faster than the total u.s. economy according to the
international renewable energy agency. there is a lot of jobs and money in renewable energy. why not focus energy and effort in that direction? >> well, we have ten times more people who work in the oil and gas industry than the wind and solar industry combined, so it's not even close. we have something like 6 million people who are directly or indirectly in the oil and gas industry. >> but where are your numbers coming from? those numbers are from the department of energy. >> using the word indirectly, ana, to create a loophole for himself. >> no, wait, hold on a minute. >> let him answer the question. >> put up that chart again. i think that was talking about natural gas. i just looked at it, i just saw a flash of it. but look, we have somewhere in the neighborhood of 4 or 5 or 6 million people -- look at texas, and north dakota and oklahoma and west virginia and pennsylvania, those are dominant energy states. here's why i think this is so
raw. the game-changer in energy, unquestionably, the thing that has changed the whole dynamics of the energy field is something called shale oil and gas. and that has created bountiful amounts of oil. has made the united states potentially the global leader in oil and gas for the next 25, 30, or 40 years. and by the way, natural gas is a fuel that is abundant. it's made in america. it's cheap. it's reliable. and -- >> a lot of people have gone to natural gas. it is a cleaner energy. nobody's arguing about that point. the question, though, is how is going towards a cleaner environment hurting the u.s. economy when you -- >> we are going -- no, we are going to a cleaner environment. it's going to be the future. it's not wind and solar, they are extraordinarily expensive compared to natural gas. natural gas is the fuel of the future. i would just mention one other thing. if we want to completely eliminate carbon emissions because of climate change, then why would we invest in wind and
solar power which are extremely expensive forms of power when we could build nuclear power plants which emit no carbon whatsoever? it's very reliable source of energy. france gets about 75% of their electricity from nuclear power. and it would be a lot less expensive. so we ought to go with natural gas and nuclear power. >> go ahead, keith, in terms of getting your response in. you were eager to jump in. >> i don't know who president trump is trying to impress pulling out of the paris agreement. it doesn't help the world. 194 other countries signed on to it. now the u.s. will be the third country. it doesn't help the united states, most americans support staying in the paris agreement. even most republicans support staying in the paris agreement. many american businesses have come out, ceos of apple and tesla, and disney and others have come out and said, exxon even came out and said they support staying in the paris agreement. it doesn't help american jobs.
the reality is the jobs of the future are not coal mining jobs, they're energy jobs that come from clean energy, like solar and wind. there are more solar jobs created by wind than there are in the field of coal and oil and gas combined. electricity generation. it doesn't help even the people of pittsburgh. the mayor of pittsburgh was talking about this the other day, that donald trump says he represents pittsburgh and not paris. but not only did pittsburgh vote for hillary clinton, but they're not represented by the notion that the coal mining society, this is a future oriented nation, future oriented city in pittsburgh. the president basically put us back in the 20th century, while china and other countries are taking advantage of the 21st century. >> others in the nation say they'll be environmentally friendly. but what comes up is the budget
that the administration has proposed, cutting significant funding for epa, to combat climate change. how can you have it both ways? >> well, you know, natural gas -- the country, by the way, in the last seven years, that has reduced its carbon emissions the most, i keep saying this on cnn because a lot of americans don't realize this, the united states has cut its carbon emissions more than france, italy, spain -- china's emissions are going through the roof. >> if that's the case, it seems like the u.s. is on track to meet -- >> but wait a minute, hold on. here's the point. here's what everybody's missing. the reason we're reducing our carbon emissions has nothing to do with solar and wind power. we get 5% of our electricity from solar and wind power. we get six times more from coal, and about 40% of our electricity from natural gas. that means almost two-thirds of
our energy is coming from coal and natural gas. a small sliver is coming from wind and solar. >> another sleight of hand here, trying to slip in natural gas with coal here. the reality is that natural gas is a cleaner form of energy than coal. >> for sure. >> but still, coal jobs are the jobs of the 20th century. those jobs are disappearing. they're not really going to come back. donald trump sold his voters, a lot of people in west virginia and other states, the idea he would bring those jobs back, and he won't. this is a promise to a small group of people trump has made here. he's basically willing to risk the safety and security of the entire planet, not just the united states, just to keep a campaign promise to a small sector of people in one or two states. >> guys, got to leave it there. >> thank you, ana. america's departure from the climate deal leads the effort to climate change without a clear leader. that void could be filled by
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breaking news right now. we're learning there's been some kind of incident right now on the london bridge. let mow read you the information we have confirmed. we're dealing with an incident on london bridge. when we have more information we'll update this twitter feed. just moments ago. we're working to gather more information on exactly what this incident is on the london bridge. as soon as we have it for you, we'll bring it you to. of course, there is a heightened sense of awareness right now in the united kingdom following the manchester attack a little over ten days ago. we know there's going to be this benefit concert now tomorrow in
manchester. ariane grande and other celebrity performers performing. i want to bring in right now one of our reporters on the scene. i'm sorry, we don't have them available just yet. but again, we're working to gather more information on what's happening in london right now. on the london bridge. some kind of an incident. we have tom fuentes joining us on the phone. tom, this obviously is causing a lot of alarm to think that there could be some major incident unfolding on the london bridge. >> absolutely. the fact that we just had an attack on that bridge recently. and someone using a car to run people over. and now possibly a stabbing from some of the reports that are coming out. we're going to have to wait and see. we still could have the motive of a copycat that's just a deranged person trying to get attention, like the last person that did this. or in fact, that it could be a terrorist incident.
it's just too early for us to know that yet. >> it's way too early to go there, period. we don't have anything confirmed about what the incident is on the london bridge. but the bridge a place of traffic, we -- it's safe to assume it has to do with cars, people who are in that area. you mentioned there was a previous attack in westminster, the deadliest terror attack in march where someone drove over the westminster bridge and crashed near parliament. this incident happening right now, unfolding on the london bridge. england on a state of alert following the last attack that happened in manchester, the big concert bombing following the ariana grande concert that happened monday. it will be two weeks this coming monday. there's supposed to be this huge benefit concert in manchester again tomorrow. obviously i am assuming that
there is a heightened level of security throughout england right now, tom. >> no doubt there would be increased security. and there has been particularly since the manchester attack, because that involved a cell. multiple people were involved in that. which means there could be others still throughout the united kingdom that might be involved with it, or supportive of that attack as opposed to just one lone person that commits one of these. so yes, there is a heightened state of alert based on that attack. now you have this incident which we don't know yet if it's an attack. but certainly, you know, it's either that or a terrible driver running over 20 or 30 people. then the reports in addition that have been out there are that there were stabbings involved also. but we don't have that for sure yet. of course, when we have an incident happen, it's all we know from the police. i think we need to give this
more time and wait for more information to come out, particularly official information from the metropolitan police. >> we're getting some of that information, reports now, 15 to 20 people have been run over. again, this happening on the london bridge. additional information that we're getting now, two individuals ran into a restaurant and stabbed two of the people inside allegedly. customers are huddled in a cellar, not knowing what's going on. they have been told to stay there and not go into the street. so now we're getting more information here, tom. what does this sound like to you? >> well, i mean, it sounds terrible. but as i mentioned, these things are going out over social media which can often be highly inaccurate and/or exaggerated. we don't know yet. it might be accurate, it might not be. i would like to see more official information from the police about what they're dealing with, and whether this is still an ongoing situation. we've had active shooter situations before where we think someone's still at large with a gun. in this case, we could have an
active stabber situation where individuals are at large with weapons, using weapons to stab people. it could be all of that. or it might not be all of that. we just don't know yet. >> and we do know that there have been ongoing investigations happening into terrorism within england. we know that there were additional people arrested following the bombing of the manchester concert venue, where ariana grande had been performing. at least 17 people have been taken into custody following that event. they were looking into potential terrorist networks. that was in manchester. this latest incident happening on the london bridge. again, the police tweeting out, we're dealing with an incident on london bridge. when we have more information, we'll update this twitter feed. reports of 20 people having been run over. not knowing whether they are connected. but some kind of stabbing incident happening inside a
restaurant, in the boroughs market we're told. two people stabbed inside. customers huddling in the cellar, not knowing what's happening. someone in the area told them to stay there, don't go into the street. we're trying to get more information on this situation currently unfolding, coming on just the day before the manchester concert that's supposed to be a benefit concert. with ariana grande and many other celebrities to honor the victims of this latest terror attack that happened in england, just about two weeks ago now. that was an incident in which more than a dozen people were killed, and hundreds of people were injured in that incident. so right now, what is unfolding in england, we don't know exactly. but we do know there's some kind of incident on the london bridge. just the backdrop of all of this, tom, if you're in law enforcement right now, what do you anticipate happening behind
the scenes? >> well, absolutely they're going to be trying to identify who owned the car, who was driving the car, if the individuals that ran into their restaurant, if there was a stabbing incident there, were they from the car, or is that a separate incident that is coincidentally happening, or the same people that were in the car. they're going to want to get as many witness statements and possible videos as they can. london has extensive video surveillance system throughout the city. i think they'll be quickly reviewing whatever video they have of the traffic on the london bridge and what exactly occurred on the bridge, and go from there. if they can identify the individuals that are associated with that vehicle, then look into their background, and, you know, who they are, what they're affiliated with, if they've been on the police radar in prior investigations. or are these new people that have come up. we just don't know yet.
that's the kind of thing that they'll be looking at very closely at the moment. >> a reminder to our viewers that we don't have a lot of information. we just did see another tweet from the metropolitan police right now saying officers are on the scene at #london bridge. they're being very careful to put out any information. but again, the reports on the ground right now, 15 to 20 people were run over on the london bridge. there's another incident that people are saying involved stabbing in a restaurant nearby. but again, these are initial reports. and we know as incidents are unfolding, sometimes the information as confirmed by police does change. we want to make sure we're careful about how we're dealing with this situation. what i can tell you is confirmed on the record by police is they are responding to an incident on the london bridge. and they have now arrived on the scene of that incident, and they are working to get more information. you're looking at a map to get a better sense of where this is
all unfolding. the london bridge, you can see, is near the borough market. i want to bring in fred who is joining us on the phone. he is one of our correspondents. he is in london. fred, what more are you learning? >> reporter: ana, i'm right now en route to where this incident apparently took place. and again, we only have the information the police has given us so far, that they are responding. to what they believe is a serious incident there, near london bridge. obviously a place where this time of night, it's about 10:00 p.m. here right now in london, where a lot of people would have been out there. and again, they are responding to this. unclear at this point in time what the nature of this incident is. they're obviously trying to find that out. they're going to keep providing information as they get it. they've already said they're going to do that via their twitter feed. but the early pictures we see coming in seem to indicate there are a lot of police vehicles out there on the scene. there are a lot of -- or a couple of ambulances, at least, on the scene.
but again, at this point in time, unclear what the nature of this incident is. the london police say they've clearly just responded to this to try to find out more information, ana. >> what can you tell us about how things have been going in england, around the country, obviously such a huge response in the ongoing investigation into the man chester attack, and on top of that the big concert tomorrow night in manchester, the benefit concert from that attack that happened. has there been a heightened security level throughout the country that you've noticed and been reporting on? >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. that's absolutely what we've been noticing over the past couple of weeks. especially since the terror attack that took place in manchester. not just with the investigation going on, but generally with the terror alert. for two days the terror alert was at its highest level, at the level of critical. it's sis then been downgraded to a level called severe. that still means that an attack is highly likely.
you can certainly see that at key installations, especially in and around the london area, at airports, but also around government buildings, around areas that tourists frequent as well. you do notice a heightened presence of the authority, of the police, as well there on the ground. and then certainly, especially we've got incidents in manchester taking place, the authorities are trying to show more presence. you're absolutely right, there is, of course, an ariana grande benefit concert settle to take place in manchester tomorrow. there is a heightened police presence. at the same time you obviously have the police still conducting that very large investigation around the manchester attack that, of course, killed so many people. the police here presence here has been kicking into high gear over the past week, over the past week and a half. so certainly right now with this new incident taking place, you can bet they have a lot of
forces on the ground there. at a time when they were really, really wary of what might happen when they >> absolutely. i just want to update our viewers who may just be joining us right now. what we are learning is that there's some kind of an incident happening on the london bridge that is drawing police to that area. we have a tweet from the police department, the london metropolitan police, say we are dealing with an incident on #londonbridge. we also have another follow-up tweet saying that officers are on the scene. more info as we get it. we were just hearing a report from fred pleitgen who is on his way to that area. he's seeing video come in and a lot of police activity and ambulances at this point and now we have live pictures that we're bringing to you. again, this is from the area where some kind of incident has happened on the london bridge.
a lot of sirens and traffic is backing up and people are milling about. this camera is panning around the area. it appears that there is a lot of flashing lights. that is a car that is on its side or hard to see from some of the videos. it's zooming in and out of focus. police responding to an incident on the london bridge. early reports that some people may be injured, maybe having been run over. we have very few details at this hour. fred pleitgen is heading to the scene right now. how far out are you and describe what you're seeing. >> well, right now i'm in traffic on the way to that area. traffic isn't too bad where we are but as we look at these
pictures where there is a vehicle involved, that's one of the things that really the police here have been looking out for a lot, especially since there was an incident here in london where a man, also apparently terror related, ran into a pedestrian on one of the most iconic bridges. that was one of the big terror attacks that took place in london where a man went on a sidewalk and they n used a knif. that's certainly one of the things that the police have been looking out for so much. it's really a pattern that we've been seeing all around here. and i was actually at the christmas market as well and a van ran into a pedestrian zone around the shopping area. so that's certainly one of the
patterns and judging by those early pictures, that seems to be a possibility and certainly one of the things that the police seem to be reacting to. what else you were saying there about bussing lined up there, traffic being stopped, that, of course, is the standard procedure that the ts police would conduct immediately and shut that whole area down. and stop all of the traffic, you know, keep people from getting into that area if there are casualties in that area and then move as much of the authorities in there as they can. we know that here in london the authorities have geared up for that incident and react very, very quickly, especially the ambulance services and the police as well. certainly this is something that they will have prepared for and now they have the plans in place to react as fast as possible. >> and we now have an eyewitness on the scene. i want to bring in mark roberts,
who is joining us on the phone. i understand you are on the end of the london bridge. describe for me what you're seeing and hearing right now. mark roberts, this is ana cabrera. you are live on cnn right now. we're looking at pictures from the london bridge. what is going on where you are? >> i'm finding it very difficult to hear. i'll just tell you, hopefully you can hear, i was on london bridge. what i saw was a van coming across london bridge at high speed, swerving on and off the pavement. it knocked over several people and came within 20 yards of where i was before it curved to the other side of the road and it knocked somebody nearly 20 feet in the air. the van then carried on across
the bridge and i think it hit a bus stop and came to a halt further down the road. but within my line of sight, there were five or six bodies that i could see on the ground, people who were not moving and now it's massive police and paramedics in the area. i'm with the police at the moment. they've gathered all the people together who were on the bridge and they are taking us off somewhere to interview us. >> oh, my gosh. it sounds incredibly scary what you just witnessed and being so close to that scene. >> i don't know what to do. you can hear the screaming. i didn't know how to react at all. i was lucky that it swerved across the other side. >> and when you saw that van
coming, i imagine it was coming and there's something happening so quickly. did you get a chance to see who was driving and do you know where that person is right now? at the other end of the bridge, about five or ten minutes later, i heard quite a bit of gunfire which sounded like 10, 20 shots. i'm now on a bus being taken by the police to interview all of these witnesses. >> how long ago did this incident -- mark, i'm sorry. i did not mean to interrupt you. how long ago did this incident occur? >> i'm sorry. i didn't catch that. >> how long ago did this happen?
>> it was about half an hour ago. >> so just about half an hour ago and since this incident happened, you talked about witnessing a van coming across the bridge at a high speed, swerving and hitting different sides, bouncing off the pavement and you said knocking into several people, including throwing at least one person several feet into the air. at that moment, how many people were on the bridge? >> it's quite busy. there must have been, all told, hundreds. a hundred, 200 people maybe. spread across the bridge. it wasn't packed. because it's quite late at night
here. >> were you walking? >> i was just out doing an activity, you know, out at night. >> which direction was the van going? >> i'm sorry. i didn't catch that. >> which direction was the van going? >> it was heading south across the bridge. i was walking from the south side to the north side of the bridge. this is london bridge. >> okay. >> and it was heading toward london bridge station which is on the south bank of the river and the area around the bridge is busy as well. at the bank of the river. >> as you mentioned, too -- >> it was headed towards a
busier area but from what i could see, the van hit a bus and came to a halt. >> it looks like the van hit the bus? >> yes. before it left the bridge. while it was still on the bridge. and it was out of my sight and i couldn't see what happened after that. >> about how far did the van travel as it was running into people and continuing on its way? >> well, i could only see it from one end of the bridge to the other. >> okay. so you talked about how it's late at night there and there weren't as many people as there would be during the day. can you just set the scene for me of what was going on on the bridge at the moment this van came into your sight? >> well, there's some groups of friends making their way either out of the night or going home
for the evening and it's an area -- london bridge is quite a photogenic area so people stop to take photos because from london bridge you can get quite a lot of views, the city skyline and the other bridges. so a lot of people were just stopped taking selfies and photos of the river or walking across in small groups. and it looked to me like the van was aiming for the people. >> wow. what did do you when you saw the van coming? >> well, i froze, to be honest. i was just trying to work out where is going to be the best place to