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>> suddenly i hear police shouting so i keep my head down and turn around. heavy police presence pushing two, maybe three, guys up against the wall. >> people running away as fast as they could. this is cnn breaking news. welcome to our viewers around the world and in the united states. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. christiane amanpour is there in london. we have more breaking news. british prime minister theresa may saying islam extremism is responsible for the attacks. >> while the recent attacks are not connected by common network, they are connected in one
important sense. they are bound together by the single ideology of extremism that preaches hate rid and sows division and promotes extremism. >> the new video we are getting in of police raids happening in london this morning. remember, seven people were killed. at least 48 seriously injured last night in that deadly attack. we want to go to christiane, as we said, christiane amanpour is in london right now. i know you spoke to the mayor. do you think it's surprising to many people that he is not raising the threat level this morning? >> reporter: well,ly not the pr minister who does it and the joint task force that does it. it hasn't happened and we dean don't know whether we will see where that is raised from critical now which is the highest. in any event, there is a huge and upgraded number of police
and also to emergency services, including armed police on the streets. we have seen new deployments in front of important buildings and sites this morning. and as you heard, the mayor earlier today told me that there have been new raids this morning. the police take great credit and pride in what they describe as taking out the three assailants. they believe there were only three assailants but, obviously, they are trying to figure out whether there was a wider group of friend or network that was trying to help. this is what the head of the metropolitan police said regarding taking down those assailants with within eight minutes of receiving the call last night. >> it's important that we, first of all, make sure that there is no one else outstanding. we don't believe there is but we must make absolutely certain of that. as i've said, we have a very large investigation ongoing and we will be seeking to establish whether anyone else was working
with or assisting any way or helping to plan this attack in the way you would examine. at the moment, we believe there were three attackers and we believe they are dead. >> reporter: now, this is the third major attack in great britain in the last three months. we had the westminster attack in march and very similar with one driver, a van that careened into west minister bridge and attacking people standing on the sidewalks on westminster bridge and then he stabbed and was shot dead himself. two weeks ago, the manchester attack. different. a suicide bomber. 22 people killed and dos injured there, including some critically. last night a vehicle attack with attacking with their knives and
sta stabbing people in the borough market area. this is what the mayor told me today about trying to thwart these attacks, then and now. now, the reality over the last four years, because of the fantastic work of the police and the security services, as a result of the cooperation of the communities, we have thwarted a number of attacks over the last four years, but, unfortunately, in march and in april and now today, last night, we have seen terrorists be successful. what we need to do is make sure that just like the terrorists evolving and finding new ways to harm us, to disrupt us, we have got to find involved new ways to keep us safe. so over the next few days, londoners and visitors will be seen an increased police presence that will include
increased armed and increased uniform officers and plain clothes officers. the threat is severe. that means an attack is highly likely. it has been there a while including the manchester attack. that means visitors to our city, londoners should know that we are the safest global city in the world. >> reporter: now, just to be clear, one of the notable issues last night with these three attackers we were told wearing canisters and presumed to be sued bombingers bers and that w hoax. the prime minister said today five plots have been thwarted wince the westminster attack in march but already there are calls now mounting, including from the chief of the met police today who said these are increasingly hard to predict and, therefore, hard to prevent and it is going to reopen a discussion of the level of our resources and that is a very political and factual issue
right here. many in the police are concerned what the years of austerity have not cut into counterterrorist bbudget but policing budgets on the beat and on the street. clarissa ward is live at downing street where the prime minister said this is islamic extreme. >> reporter: she had quite clearly, as you had, this was islam extremism ideology and said that britain has been too tolerant of this ideology too long and she would do a reboot, if you will, of britain's current counterterrorism practices, although not clear or how the counterterrorism practices may be changed and which any changes could prevent future attacks like the one we saw last night from happening. she also had bad word to lash out for the social media
companies and the involvement of tech companies, because, of course, they, in a sense, are unwittingly, perhaps, providing a platform for the spread of the ideology and for networking to happen for individuals who may share this ideology to connect to each other. she was very clear about the need to tackle the ideology. we have head there rhetoric from politicians again and again. obviously, much easier said than done but take a listen to what she had. >> we cannot allow this ideology the safe space it need to breed. yet, that is precisely what the internet and the big companies that provide internet-based services provide. we need to work with allied democratic government, to reach international agreements that regulate scyberspace. >> reporter: this attack happens days before the britt britain heading to the polls to
determine who is the next prime minister. theresa may she would suspend campaigning today. the opposition party leader said the same thing but she had the campaigning would start tomorrow and the election will go on as anticipated on thursday. there is definitely a sense here, christiane, i'm sure you're feeling it as well, people do want normal life to continue and people do not want to feel that they are coward by these type of terrorist attacks. i think a grim realization there are probably going to be more attack like this because they are so very difficult to prevent. christiane? >> reporter: indeed. if one thing elections are about is about keeping people safe and the level of debate and the policing on the streets and not the counterterrorism budget but the front line interface between communities and security, that seems to be said to get even more pointed in the days and weeks to come.
now this is the third attack, as we say, in great britain over the last three months. we are going now to isa soares at the burrow mark where the attackers went into cafes, pubses and restaurants and slashing people indiscriminat y indiscriminately. you were in contact with somebody is, right? as this attack was going on there? >> reporter: i was, indeed, christiane. this area borough market very popular and lots of restaurants and lots of lovely food stores as well. on a beautiful saturday evening the weather was so well in london, it was very, very busy. a friend of mine was in contact with me. he was in a restaurant when they arrived with a knife and he had to hide with his fiancee and two friend. one of them was a lady who was heavily pregnant. they hid in the bathroom for an
hour and he was constantly calling me and asking me to call the police which i did and within an hour they left and are safe and the pregnant lady is doing well too. this is the high street. the cordon is still in place. if we can get the camera slightly to the left as possible. a group of people had been, as of yesterday, told to leave their hotels because of what had happened. that cordon is still in place but we have seen police taking people one at a time, basically in small groups, i should say, back to the hotel to collect their belongings. luke, i believe you're visiting from canada. tell us what you saw. >> i was at the market actually just ten minutes before everything happened. i came back upstairs with my -- we heard, we didn't see but we heard gunshots and crashes and everything. so we kind of stuck our head out of the window. we were three floors up right across the street and that is
when you saw people running out of the establishments kind of in no order, kind of just frantically everywhere. the biggest thing you saw was fear and confusion and that took place for about five to ten minutes and then once the police were able to kind of get in, they were able to take control of the situation and kind of at least, you know, direct traffic. i guess that is when they kind of saw our heads peeping out and told us just to leave everything we have and get down here as quickly as possible and run as far away as we could. >> reporter: how soon from what you saw happening on the street you were told to leave? >> as soon as the police arrived and we had our head out, they kind of saw us. we had an airbnb. they saw us out the window. as soon as they came and within a few minutes they were able to spot us because they did a great job of searching through the buildings and told us to get down and run away. >> reporter: i know because i was speaking, i believe your father who was basically saying to me that you tried to get a
house here, another hotel but you couldn't do that. so you were welcomed by a local? >> yeah. that's right. that's our manager. yeah, basically, no hotel were taking us in. and they didn't really give us anywhere to go. we are not from here so wandering in circles the better part of four hours until thankfully we had a bit of a falling over facebook so over the facebook free, you know, random strangers, ryan, like they basically reached out to us and kind of saying they have a flat for us to stay. it was no time in the night it was like 2:00, 3:00 a.m. they gave us a bed, a roof to stay under which is amazing because for the better part of four hours we were pretty much just walking around. >> reporter: luke, i know have you been able to collect your belongings? when are you going back to canada? >> today was the plan. we were supposed to go back to canada but have not been able to retrieve our belongings.
police are working on it and great so far. hopefully we are trying to get what we can would get back to canada and hopefully from there take it from there. >> luke, good to hear you are safe. thank you so much. christiane, we are hearing the story praising the police for their bravery and how fast they were here on the scene. also something we heard as well from sadiq khan and others paying tribute to the police as well as to the -- as well as to really the ambulances and to the hospitals here in the uk. >> reporter: isa, thanks. indeed, in the immediate aftermath of the attack you can see the emergency services and the police leap into action. today, we heard from the metropolitan police commissioner that because of these recent attacks, because of the heightened threat, they have been training and practicing for a long time to leap into action in exactly this way and, hence, they are pointing out the rapid reaction time that took place overnight.
that doesn't mean to say there weren't victims. we know this comes two week after the attack in manchester. a sued bombing attack at a concert by ariana grande in the lobby area as people were leaving, young people and their mothers, mostly young girls and their mothers. yet, today, ariana grande and coldplay and others will hold a concert there in manchester. phil black is there to tell us all about it. phil? >> reporter: christiane, the emotion that people have been feeling here two week. the hur, the anger, the trauma. the people of manchester know in london today, people are feeling these same things. that tremendous empathy is that comfort. instead, i think the people here have a sense that their emotions, the ones they have been processing two weeks now, have been stripped once again. the emotional context this concert will be taking place in tonight. the organizers say it will go ahead and continue and, in their
word, with greater purpose. they say they feel a sense of responsibility to all of those affected, the injured, the lost, both in manchester and london as well. the artists ariana grande and other big international stars katy perry and coldplay and justin bieber will try to convey a message that fear and hate, they cannot win. it is, of course, a huge logistical exercise because 50,000 people will be attending this concert within the old cricket ground and huge security in place to assure the safety of those people and the continuing safety of the city as well. christiane? >> reporter: phil, thank you. and just to highlight. the prime minister today said there need to be conversations within communities, some may be embarrassing, difficult conversations about why this is going on. but the truth of the matter is in manchester, two weeks ago, we were told that the sued bomber
was on the radar. the muslim community had highlighted him and had talked two, three years ago to police about him. and, yet, he wayne stopped and he was allowed to continue. again, there is going to be an increased level of demand by the police authorities for more police on the beat. and that will have to reverse the kind of austerity cuts, they say ma theresa may had to implement during the last government. we will take a short break and have more on these developments.
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20 minutes past the hour. update on the breaking news. british prime minister theresa may vows to clamp down on extremism after the latest terror attack in monday overnight. may says there is too much tolerance of extremism in the uk. >> the death toll from the london attacks has risen to seven. 48 people were injured. some critically. a police shot and killed the three suspects within minutes of the attack. london's mayor says police
carried out raids on properties in the city this morning. you're seeing some aerial video here. authorities do not believe there are any additional elements after the attack, so the threat level has not been increased. the london attacks started with a vehicle ramming into pedestrians are london bridge. and this use of a vehicle in terror attack is becoming really a new mode of attack for self-radicalized terrorists. is this the most popular now a weapon that is being used? >> cnn national security analyst peter bergen and paul crookshank is with us. let's talk about that and something we have not mentioned today just yet. ramadan. the timing of this. isis has called on followers to attack where they can with what they have at hand. so, paul, do you believe that we will see more of these attacks through june 24th now that we are in the holy month of
ramadan? >> that is sernlt concern and isis have called for the surge of attacks in ramadan and did that last year as well. we saw the orlando shootings during that period. also a terrorist attack in france. they have done the same this time. they are telling their followers around the world that they will be rewarded ten times more in paradise if they carry out these attacks during this period. obviously, extra concern because it is an election coming up here in the uk and in paris, there was an attack on the police just before the first round of the presidential election in april. and, of course, a very big kind of underlying threat here in the uk with 3,000 individuals that they think are potentially dangerous who have islamic extremism ideology and further 20,000 who they have monitored previously who are residual threat. >> so, peter, let me ask you about what we heard from the
prime minister this morning. she highlighted four things that need to change and one of them she talked about government is working together to regulate the safe spaces for the extremists. what will that look like and the potential for that happening? one of the former chief supervisor of the police there saying sprirt and facebook need to sma some control. >> that is a lot years said than done and i'm not sure it's a good idea. start with the first amendment in this country in the united states doing what the prime minister is suggesting, i think, would be impossible. in fact, twitter has been pretty aggressive taking down hundreds of thousands of pro isis accounts. facebook has a whole division within the company which is basically trying to monitor these kind of, you know, isis messages and taking them down where appropriate. where it gets difficult, take
anwar. some of the speeches he has made are pretty anodine. at what point do you take down all of his speeches. with child pornography it's pretty clear what a child pornographic image is and that is a relatively easy thing for facebook or twitter or other social media companies to take down. but with terrorism, it gets afu. the line what is protected free speech and something that is really simply a violent image is a lot more fuzzy. so, you know, it sounds good what theresa may said but in practice, i think, a, the social media companies are pretty aware of this and are doing something about it. b, it would be very hard to enforce in countries like the united states. and, c, one final point here is that isis is not using social media companies based in the united states as predominantly
using something called telegram as its social media platform which is often encrypted and that is based in germany. you have the problem about which jurisdiction the social media companies are in because britain can't, you know, demand that a germany-based social media company follow a particular set of laws, nor did it, in fact, do much -- it can control what message in the united kingdom but, you know, it's hard for a british government to order twitter or facebook to take certain actions that actually would contravene the first amendment in the united states where these companies are, after all, based. >> very good point. we appreciate your insight, gentlemen. thank you for being here. we will be right back.
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we are here outside london bridge. obviously, as close as we can get to what happened last night. world leader are weighing in, condemn being the terrorist attack and sending support and condolence to the victims and the british government from russia to australia, from canada, across the commonwealth, all the way across europe. the french president says four french citizens were injured, one of those seriously. the last few moments we have heard that pope francis has offered prayers and condemnation of what happened here during his weekly prayer at st. peters square. i'm joined by the head of the cathedral that is here and inside the police cordon right nop now. you were outside talking to people when this was going on? >> when i heard the news break i left my house which is along here and headed to the cathedral to see if anything i could do. i was turned back by the police when i got close by and ended up
being asked to walk along this street here. now, further down on suffolk street people were being cared for by the emergency services and their friend on the pavement. and there was the sense of complete shock and fear, i suppose, at that moment, confusion. although it was calm in the sense of the police are doing a fantastic job. >> reporter: i think everybody has said that. reaction from all of the services was better than anybody can remember. >> it was absolutely amazing. i live on the river and the river police were out there asking people to move, to run, to get out of the area while the incident was still ongoing. >> reporter: we forget boats were out on the river in case people had been tossed into the river by being rammed by that van. you've been talking again to people outside. again, let's just be clear. the cathedral is inside the cordon and you haven't had any sunday services today? >> no. for those who don't know london, the cathedral is in the heart of
the market and almost physically attached to london bridge. this all happened within the sort of environment around the cathedral within our parish. so we simply can't open up the cathedral as we naturally would want to. >> reporter: what does this say to you in terms of being a priest and having to minister not just to your own community but the fabric of society here? also different religions. you just heard the prime minister maybe saying that this is radical extreme terrorism. how do you respond to that? >> it's difficult to know how to respond to be perfectly honest. at a distance it's always yeaear to make comments but when it's happening years it's difficult. we need to maintain a sense of hope within the community as strength, i think, wherever you get that from, whether through your faith or through your
community spirit, and try to encourage people to sort of remain with that. i think with regard to the muslim community, i think we have to stand very strongly alongside them. this isn't in the name of god. this isn't what the muslim of faith ask people to do. this is a complete aberration. this is evil and we need to address the reasons why some people get it into their heads so this is the way to be a good muslim. >> reporter: we heard from a former met police officers and deputy commissioners today that they believe some of the latest attacks are petty criminals who already went to jail who were radicalized or extremized in prison and use this as an excuse to continue their criminal behavior. what does that say to you? you've just told me that you presided over the funeral of the heroic policeman who tried to stop the attack on westminster and was killed himself. indeed. that was in march.
>> i was preaching on this occasion. this whole area was brought to a standstill when the procession came from westminster. last night it was brought to a standstill by a terrorist attack. it's difficult to explain how we feel about that and not to blame the whole of the muslim community. >> reporter: do you believe the more this goes on the less patience communities will have and say it's not in god's name we cannot allow them to wreak their hoff vok and rip us apart. the met chief said despite your fears and frustrations, do not take matters into your own hand. don't dtake law and order in yor own hard. >> we have social media in the sense of control today. we are a broadcaster in our own rights and our views get credibility by being passed on
and on and on. i think that is the real challenge to know how you address the response and get the response to be right. nothing churches, mosques other community places have a part to play in that. in trying to help a community to understand what is going on. >> it's a big work and big job ahead. >> huge. >> thank you for joining us. the dean of southwark cathedral. we will take a break and be back after that. (dog) mmm. this new beneful grain free is so healthy... oh! farm-raised chicken! that's good chicken. hm!? here come the accents. blueberries and pumpkin. wow. and spinach! that was my favorite bite so far. (avo) new beneful grain free. out with the grain, in with the farm-raised chicken. healthful. flavorful. beneful. we asked people to write down the things they love to do most on these balloons. travel with my daughter. roller derby. ♪ now give up half of 'em. do i have to?
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we are getting new dash cam video you're seeing right here. this is in the moments after that white van raced down london bridge. this is a car on london bridge right now and plowed through a crowd there. >> look to the left of your screen. >> you can see people there. in a moment on the right-hand side of your screen you're going to see some people, they will be
running. obviously, traffic was very, very slow. i think probably a lot of confusion at that moment. people wondering what just happened and here the car is going to stop and we have more video for you in a minute. there are the people on the right-hand side of your screen they are running. some others walking just almost as though they are in a daze, they don't know what to make of what just happened and what they just saw. so, again, just wanted to share some of that video with you that we are just now getting in. >> we will show more throughout the morning. president trump being kept up-to-date on the london attack. he was quick to offer his support to the uk after the attack as well. >> ed the u.s. needs the extra level of security with the travel ban. he is tweeting. he tweeted we must stop being politically correct and down to skooert securi security for our people. he said seven dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and
mayor of london says there is no reason to be alarmed. ryan brown is live in washington. we need to clarify something, though. that was not a full statement. the mayor of london says there is no reason to be alarmed by the extra presence of police who were on the street trying to keep people safe. >> reporter: that's right. the mayor sadiq khan speaking to cnn in that interview and it seems to be what president trump was referring to. again, tweeting very aggressively this morning. multiple tweets did the attack. expression of solidarity but addressing the travel restriction he called a travel ban the administration went away from and that is going before the supreme court and recently passed for the sqort to ask to reinstate that ban as the court determines constitutionality. not referring to the london attacks specifically but in a series of tweets, advocating for the travel ban to come back into play saying we need to get, quote/unquote, smart in the fight against terrorism. this all comes as president
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now commenting on the mayor of london's response to the recent london terror attack. >> it's important to point out here that what mayor khan was talking about when ed there is no reason to be alarmed, what he was referring to was there is no reason to be alarmed by the increased police presence that people will see in the next coming days, potentially weeks, as this investigation continues. it seems that either intentionally or maybe not intentionally, the president misconstrued what mayor sadiq khan was talking about in that interview. we just want to be clear about that. >> ryan brown, thank you so much. stay with cnn. we have the latest on what is happening in those london attacks. new interviews with people all morning long. you don't want to miss our special live coverage that is coming up this week as well as we look ahead. as ryan said, former fbi director james comey testifying before the instant this thursday and starts at 9:00 a.m. on cnn.
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the uk under siege essentially after two terror attacks took place just in the past two weeks. british prime minister theresa may is blaming the attacks on islam extremism. >> while the recent attacks are not connected by common network, they are connected in one important sense. they are bound together by the single ideology of extremism that preaches hate rid and sows division and promotes sectarianism. joining us to discuss is
mostbin sheikh. thank you for being with us morning. one of the things the prime minister may talked about we are now in an era not of only people being radicalized directly by groups like isis or being radicalized on time but this is a copycat era they are coping what they saw in nice, berlin during a christmas market. what do you make of what you've heard from the prime minister and what seen the last 12 to 13 hours? >> yeah. i haven't slept in all of those hours. first of all, i want to give a shout-out to the london police who shot three attackers dead within eight minutes of the first emergency call. that was outstanding. secondly, you know, miss may is absolutely correct. you know, you're dealing with an ideology, you know, that whether copycat or just lone attacks, as we call them, this is the modus
operandi of these groups. they had, mohammed al nani the deceived isis spokesperson said in 2014, stab them, drive them over with your vehicles. so this is their modus operandi, whether it's copycat or otherwise. >> mubin what makes your is that you were at one time an extremist and then you chose to leave. knowing what you know, what is the best route to try to alleviate, to try to fight the terrorism that we're seeing, that is so hard to detect, because there are so many lone wolves? >> yes, look, london, the uk sustained three decades of i.r.a. bombings, london hasn't fallen and it isn't going to fall. number two, you're right. i used to hold the views some of these guys hold today and it is a deviant interpretation of
islam. while normal muslims are fasting and praying and giving charity, these malevolent devils, they plan attacks like this. so you know, the city, the country has to stay united. one team, one fight. we can't do the work of terrorists for them. when they do this, they want people to create divisions, to make this about, you know, all about islam, and this is why i'm happy to hear police and politicians sticking to that message, you know, to be united, and then there's also the business of kr. that needs to be done, prosecuting and pursuing them, going to communities, recruiting people from the communities and i can assure you, there are a lot more muslims today that are calling that terrorist hotline number because i can guarantee you, you know, we're fed up just the same. >> but mubin, help us understand, you're calling it a
deviant interpretation. at one point you were worshipping this. what changed? what made you leave? >> studying the religion properly, reading the context of verses, understanding, you know, which verses remain in the seventh century and which verses live today. the problem is these guys, they take verses, they cherry-pick them, they make up reasons, even sometimes there are even no scriptural references, but they decide no, we're just going to kill anyone and everyone, including muslims. so what changed for me was studying the religion properly and understanding that this is actually a deviant, criminal form of islam that needs to be rooted down and hunted down. >> you talked about the work of counterterrorism that needs to be done, and one of the things that the prime minister mentioned was working with allied governments to eliminate
what she calls the safe space for islamist extremism, and doing that through cyberspace. we've heard authorities talk about cracking down or getting twitter and facebook to crack down. what's -- how realistic is that, from your counter-terror expertise, and what would be the value? >> you know, i was online back in 2012, even 2013, when isis first came into syria. we were tracking isis foreign fighters for three years straight almost every day online engaging with them. it's a two-sided coin. if you block accounts, then you lose the ability to track them. you don't know who they're connecting with. you don't know what they're saying and who they're saying it with. if people want to keep believing telegram is still encrypted or other services are still encrypted, let's let them keep thinking that and we'll keep monitoring and intercepting
their communications, but in some cases, look, encryption is real. private companies hold this information, and should be giving it to law enforcement and government when they need. right now, there seems to be a disconnect between private corporations, twitter or facebook, who can do a lot more but are unfortunately more concerned with their bottom line than public safety. that's the reality. >> would also be the question of the first amendment at least here in the united states. mubin sheikh thank you for your unique perspective and being a part of the conversation. >> we wreeappreciate it. >> thank you so much.
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they are still securing this area, although the met police chief say they believe the three assa assailants are dead, shot within eight minutes of the first response call last night. we heard from the prime minister theresa may, who said these were not connected plots. last night, manchester two weeks ago and westminster three months ago, but they were connected by an evil ideology she attributed to extremist islam and we also heard from the mayor of london who has told the people here in the uk and especially in this city not to be alarmed by the heavy police presence that has been upped in the wake of these attacks, to keep people safe. that is the latest from here. going back to you, christy and victor. >> thank you so much. such great perspectives all morning long from you and from your team there in london. we appreciate it. do stay with cnn for the latest developments on the terror attack in london. we are there and also dipping into some politics of course. >> indeed, a big week for the
president, the president this morning on twitter talking about this incident and we'll continue this conversation throughout this morning. let's toss it to "inside politics" with john king. welcome to "inside politics," i'm john king, thanks for sharing your sunday morning and a sad sunday it is, central london a crime scene, the iconic london bridge and a popular nearby market stained with blood after a horrific and deadly terror ram page. plus a dramatic week ahead in washington. former fbi director james comey testifies before congress facing questions about whether president trump tried to shut down or obstruct the russia meddling investigation. global outrage at the president's decision to with draw from the paris cli national acords. in london a gorgeous saturday evening was interrupted by