tv State of the Union With Jake Tapper CNN June 4, 2017 6:00am-7:01am PDT
terror strikes again. [ sirens ] >> a deadly attack in the heart of london. >> it's time to say enough is enough. >> as.trump renews calls for the travel ban. the very latest live from the uk. and -- america first? president trump withdraws from the u.s. from the paris climate accord. >> i was i elected to represent the citizens of pittsburgh. not paris. and al gore is speaking out. >> we're going to solve the climate crisis. >> why ivanka thought she could change trump's mind.
plus, what really happened. fired fbi director james comey finally speaks out in front of congress and cameras. >> all i want is for comey to be honest. and i hope he will be. >> what bombshells might he reveal? how could it influence the russia investigation? we'll preview the hotly anticipated testimony and the best political minds will be here on what happens next. ♪ hello. i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is sending our sympathies across the pond. terror struck the heart of europe again. this time in london where a deadly attack left seven innocent people dead and 48 people wounded. the van rammed into pedestrians of the london bridge and police believe terrorists fled on foot from the van to borough market, a popular spot for food and drink. busy on saturday nights.
they burst into restaurants swinging huge knives and slashing people indiscriminately sending diners into hiding. police arrived on scene eight minutes after the first call killing three suspects. in this photo, you can see one of the dead terrorists appeared to be wearing a police suicide vest. the police say the vests were fake. uk police say they arrested 12 others in connection with to the attacks so far this morning with searches ongoing. this is the third attack in the uk this year coming on the heels at the bombing outside a concert in man chester thchester that k people. and another attack on a westminster bridge that killed five people. prime minister thaisa may addressed the world. >> we believe we are experiencing a new trend in the threat we face as terrorism breeds terrorism. >> clarissa ward was there. alarming news from the prime minister this morning about
other plots there. some foiled by authorities, thankfully. >> reporter: that's right, jake. i mean, three terrorist attacks in just three months here in the uk and british prime minister may saying five plots have been foiled. she did not announce the terror level would be updated to critical. it's on severe. they don't believe there's any larger network that the three assailants who were killed within eight minutes, the prime minister said, after they began their attack. they were shot dead by police within eight minutes. the terror threat hasn't been elevated. we heard the prime minister not mincing words. she said, listen, the thing that the attacks have in common, they're not connected by any sort of network, they're connected been an eideological threat. she said britain has been too
tolerant for too long. >> as this is unfolding, organizers north say tonight's benefit cancer with arianna grande will go ahead, obviously, security remains a big concern. how are authorities addressing it? >> reporter: the show will go on. with 50,000 people and a huge amount of stars they're taking a lot of precautions. there will be added security presence on the streets, adding security checks a the venue. they asked people not to bring any bags with them, if possible. they have said that every single person will be searched manually. so they're doing whatever they can to prevent any kind of an attack or catastrophe from taking place. but all the artists who are participating have come out and said, you know, this is not about fear. this is about solidarity. we will come out. we will sing. we will perform for the people of manchester, indeed, for the people of london, too. >> clarissa ward, thank you so much. with me is the vice chair of
the senate intelligence committee mark warner. thank you for coming in this morning. it's the third terrorist attack in the uk in the last ten weeks. they claimed the lives of 34 innocent victims. what can you tell us? what do we know about the perpetrators of last night's attacks. is there any risk to americans now beyond the normal risk? >> i received a brief this morning from our national center of counter terrorism center, and basically they have the same information you've gotten. they still don't know whether it was terrorist inspired or terrorist directed. whether it was home grown or actually directed by isis or al qaeda. i think that will take longer in terms of investigation. there's no specific threat against the united states. but obviously we've seen it hit three times. so thoughts and prayers go out to them. what you're seeing in britain is a resoluteness and recognition
that as the british went through three decades of terrorism, they'll carry o-on, i think in many ways that's what we need to do here. >> thaisa may said there's too much extremism. do we have the problem here in the united states? >> we don't have it the same way as the uk, but it's obviously a challenge in modern society to maintain three societies, and freedom of speech but still recognize we have to be on guard against some the hateful venom spewed over the internet. >> why do you think we see the attacks in london but we haven't, knock on wood, seen it happen in the united states? >> i believe in many ways the muslim-american community is better integrated into our society. i think that's always been our secret sauce in america. you can come here first generation and if you accept our laws and rules, you become american. that's not always been the case in so many of the european
countries. i think we're seeing, again, the benefits of that. that's why it troubles me so much to see the kind of type of tweets that the president has put out in the last 12 hours or so. >> prime minister may said she thinks that internet-based technology firms are giving extremism the safe space it needs. she wants new regulation of cyberspace. take a listen. >> we need to work with allied democratic governments to reach international agreements that regulate cyberspace to prevent the spread of extremist and tropical sto terrorism planning. >> facebook, google, are they doing enough? >> my background is technology business before i went into politics. i think we have to re-examine these platform companies for years have said they have no responsibility to cure rate the information that flows across their platforms. they have started to change. originally they changed their policies as related to child
pornography. now they're changing their policies as related to terrorism. i was just on the west coast last week talking with folks at facebook. they're recognizing that weaponization of false information, even around elections, they shut down 30,000 fake accounts right before the french elections. but this is going to require, i think, a much broader conversation. >> you have a lot of big hearings coming up. on wednesday the director of national intelligence, the head of the nsa, the acting director of the fbi, and the deputy attorney general. thursday, of course, the big one james comey. the former fbi director. do so you have any indication whether president trump will block comey from testifying about their conversations? i would hope he would not. i think he would be on shaky legal ground, to say the least. director comey was fired by the president and you have the president making derogatory comments and calling comey a nut
job in front of the republicans is inappropriate. >> in front of russians, i think you mean. >> in front of the russians. regardless of what you feel about comey, that's not how he should be treated. and the question we have, i think most americans have is, you know, going back to watergate, there's a series of rules that are kind of emerged. one that a president shouldn't ask about an ongoing investigation. particularly shouldn't ask if that investigation is connected to affiliates of the president. and it would be absolutely unthinkable if the president of the united states asks that the fbi director to basically back off an investigation that was directed at some of the affiliates that mr. trump. >> hillary clinton said something interesting this week that reminded me of something you said in a hearing not long ago. she said she believes the russians in the interference in the u.s. election must have been guided by americans. take a listen. >> the russians, in my opinion, and based on the intel and
counter intel people i've talked to, could not have known how best to weaponize that information unless they had been guided. and here is -- >> by americans? guided by americans and guided by people who had polling and data -- >> who is that? >> is that true, do you agree? >> it's one of the questions we have to sort through. again, one of the questioning i was asks when i was out on the west coast. it seems strange, it appears, that russian-paid internet trolls who created bots were able to put forward fake news, selected stories in a way that seemed targeted. >> at certain states? at certain states and demographics. we don't have foul proof of that. i'm not where secretary clinton is in terms of jumping to a conclusion. this is one of the many
questions that we need to investigation. >> is there any evidence of collusion. >> there's a lot of smoke, we have no smoking gun. but there is a lot of smoke. one of the questions we'll have, not only for director comey on thursday, but on wednesday for director of national intelligence koetss and nsa. the president talked to them asking them to down play the investigation. that would be concerning to me. >> have you heard any accusation yet, you thinks it was proven to coates or admiral rogers it is obstruction of justice? >> jake, i went to law school but i'm not a practicing attorney. i'll leave that for much better attorneys than i. but clearly it would be very, very troubling if the president of the united states is interfering in investigations that are affect the president
and his closest associates. we have seen already the nsa director, the nsa advisor general flynn get fired because he didn't fully disclose his contacts with the russians. attorney general sessions recause himself because he didn't fully disclose. we've seen mr. kushners having contacts with russians and others. and the american people deserve to get to the bottom of this. and what i hope our committee is able to do, and i'm proud of the fact it's maintained its bipartisan approach is we're going to follow the facts. we're not going to be taken out by some of these oneoff stories. we're going to continue to follow the facts. >> the fbi's probe of the meddling is looking at the trump campaign's data and analytics overseen by jared kushner. >> we're going to follow all the facts in terms what kind of contacts and whether the
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welcome back to state of the union. i'm jake tapper. the uk is reeling this morning from yet another terrorist attack. this one in the heart of london. three terror suspects are dead along with seven of their innocent victims. president trump said the take is proof that the travel ban currently blocked by courts needs to be -- and this morning the president tweeted we must stop being politically correct and get down to the business of security for our people. if we don't get smart, it will only get worse. and vice president al gore joins me now. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> i want to get to the paris climate accord in a second. i want to get your reaction to the attack last night in london bridge. president trump just made a tweet. i want to get your reaction. at least seven dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and mayor of london said there's,
quote, no reason to be alarmed. what is your reaction to that tweet? >> i actually happened to see the statement from the mayor of london, and that's not what i heard him say, and i don't think that a major terrorist attack like this is the time to criticize a mayor who is trying to organize his city's response to this attack. the terrorists want us to live in a state of constant fear and having an effective response is the main thing, and it looks to me like the london police were there in six minutes and the scourge of terrorism has to be defeated. we have to defeat it not only with force of arms but force of our values. >> let's move on to the paris climate agreement. president trump said the decision to withdraw the u.s. from the agreement was about putting america first. take a listen. >> the paris agreement handicaps the united states economy. in order to win praise from the
very foreign capitals and global activists that have long sought to gain wealth at our country's expense. they don't put america first. i do. and i always will. >> what is your response? >> well, the fastest growing sector of our economy is clean energy. and part of the sustainability revolution solar jobs are now growing 17 times faster in the u.s. than other jobs. the fastest growing job for the next ten years, according to the bureau of labor statistics is wind turbine. we're seeing a sustainability revolution that is a start. it has the magnitude of the industrial revolution, but the speed of the digital revolution. and rather than trying to recreate the 19th century and paint a picture of a past that is gone, we need leadership to
gear america for the 21st century. president trump's decision was unfortunate. it undermined our country's stat chur. here is the good news, with the leadership governs like jerry browne and andrew cuomo and others and mayor mike bloomberg is doing a great job. we're seeing civic leadership, apple, google, general electric. you can go down the list. we're going to see continued reductions in emissions in the u.s. we're going to meet the commitments under the climate pac in paris, regardless of what president trump does, and so we're seeing a lot of progress. >> if we're
going to meet that goal of 24 to 26% reduction of carbon gas emissions without being in the agreement. is there an argument we don't need to be in the agreement? >> the requirements were voluntary. he could have changed the
requirements. my point is we're seeing a technological revolution that is greatly needed. somebody once said the stone age didn't end because of a shortage of stones. something better
came along. same is true of the age of fossil fuels. but the paris agreement was really historic. but it laid the foundation for the faster progress that is needed in order to solve the climate crisis in time. and we could have faster progress with presidential leadership, but we're going to keep moving forward regardless of president trump. >> i want to get your reaction to something, an argument being made by the epa administrator scott pruitt. take a listen. >> he was a real deal to begin with. even if the targets were met by nations across the globe, it only reduced the temperature by less than two tenths of one degree. >> president trump made a similar argument. >>well, first of all, it's not true. but secondly, you know, there
was a famous economistist who once said things take longer to happen than you think they will then they happen much faster than you thought they could. that's what's happening here. and the paris agreement gives tremendous momentum for movement all around the world. you know, in the amounts within 13 years 100% of all of their cars have to be electric vehicles. china's emissions have come down four years in a row. all over the world we're seeing this movement. and now electricity from solar and wind and many regions is less than half the cost of electricity from burning fossil fuels. so we start making this transition then pick up steam and then suddenly we cross the tipping point. that is what is beginning to happen. but the u.s. ought to be leading this revolution and creating more of the new jobs here in the united states. >> during the transition, you met with president elect trump
at the time at the invitation of ivanka trump. last month at cannes film festival you said -- >> well i kept the details of my conversations with him confidential. it seems like the right thing to do. none of it would surprise you. i did think there was a chance he would come to his senses and not make the decision that he announced this past week. >> why did you think that? >> well, it made sense for the country. all he had to do under the terms of the paris agreement was change the commitments. they're voluntary and each country can determine its own commitments. so i thought it made sense and i thought that he would come to his senses on it. but he didn't. >> have you talked to ivanka trump at all since the meeting at trump tower? >> oh, yes. >> about this issue? >> yes. yes. i have not talk talked to her
since the decision last week. >> she must be disappointed. she was lobbying internally to have her father stay in the agreement. >> i would assume so but i haven't talk talked to her since then. >> president trump has gone after you directly when talking about this issue of climate change. i want to give you an opportunity to something he said. >> al gore wants to eliminate the combustion engine, essentially. and flies around the world on jets and pushes plants that would help create china. make it stronger. >> this is a criticism conservatives all the time in talking about people like you or elon musk. you yourself have a large carbon footprint? >> well, i don't have a private jet and what the carbon emissions come from my trips on southwest airlines are offset. i live a carbon-free lifestyle to the maximum extent possible.
but the point is, our whole country and our entire ronald has to change. and we are beginning to change. today we'll put another 110 million tons of heat-trapping pollution up there. we're treating the sky as an open sewer. now we see the climate-related extreme weather events virtually every day. every on the news is like a hike through the book of revelation. we've seen something else. now we have the solutions to the climate crisis. they can create tens of millions of new jobs. so the direction to move in the future is very clear. we're now seeing governors and mayors and businesses and civic leaders really beginning to move regardless of what the white house says. i was in one of the most conservative republican cities in the country, georgetown, texas recently. they have gone 100% renewable in an oil state. why? because it's cheaper.
they're proud of the fact they're putting less pollution in the sky. they did it because it's cheaper and it's creating employment. >> i want to ask you about hillary clinton. because you are the only other living person who has experience what she's living. which is you won the popular vote and yet the electoral vote didn't work out. i don't want to get into the florida recount now. i'm sure you don't either. but what is she going through? what is it like to actually the support of more voters but not be able to walk into the white house to take the job. >> she's a strong person and i'm sure she's going to be fine. in my own case, i learned earlier in my life that there are worse things than having a supreme court decision go against you. there are people that we encounter in our day-to-day life who have incredible burdens that they don't talk about. i'm so fine. and i'm sure she's going to be fine, too. >> i do want to get one last thought from you on the president's decision on the climate change deal.
you've been very optimistic in your remarks today talking about how the united states is moving along toward the direction you want it to, even if president trump is not going along. in your initial remarks and your initial response to what president trump decided to do, you seemed more upset. you seemed to think it was a bigger deal. a disaster of sorts >>well, yeah, i think it was reckless, i think it was indefensible and undermines america's standing in the world and threatens the ability of humanity to solve the climate crisis. the decision was terribly mistaken decision, but in the aftermath of that decision, we need to move forward regardless of what he decides. and the good news is, that the american people are going to provide leadership even if president trump will not provide leadership. >> what is your message to president trump? he likes to watch cable tv. he might be watching this
minute. >> i think that he's kind of taken himself out of the climate debate. the other countries are -- have said they're not going to talk with him about climate anymore. you know, every country in the world is on this train that is leaving the station. except for syria. they've got their hands full. nicaragua said it wasn't strong enough for them. those are the only other countries that stand with donald trump. the american people are going to move forward regardless. >> it's been 17 years since i sat down with you, don't let it be another 17. >> that's a deal. >> it's good to see you, vice president gore. thank you so much. >> thank you. president trump offered support for the uk following the terrorist attack in london, but relations with america's european allies have been strained following his announcement this week that the u.s. will withdraw from the paris climate accord. an agreement that almost every other nation signed on to. before last night's attack i
united nations ambassador nikki haley. >> nicky haley, thank you for being here. >> good morning. >> 194 countries signed the paris agreement. only three nations are not signatories. nicaragua, and syria. on the one issue, the united states is now isolated the proverbial skunk at the garden party. are not concerned it will affect your ability to lead on other issues? >> well, i don't think we're the skunk at the party. what i think we did was we watched out for our country. look, i was a governor in south carolina. i know how tough those regulations president obama put on us. because of the paris agreement were on our businesses and our industries. it directly hit our jobs. and so what we want to do is say, look, we're a sovereign country. we're going to make sure we're
looking out for the u.s. first. belle a leader in the environment. that's what we do. that's who we are. but we're going to make sure we're not hurting our companies in the process. there's a balance. there's clearly a difference between us and nicaragua and us and syria. the world knows that. to put us in that category is not a real assumption. >> but i'm not the one that put us in the category. the president is. when it comes to those agreements, the reduction in carbon emissions, that was every country set their own standard. why didn't president trump renegotiate the united states' standards so to make it less imposing. why withdraw? >> why didn't president obama get this through the senate? there's a reason president obama did this for an executive standpoint as opposed to going through the senate. he knew he couldn't get it to pass. it was too onerous. the regulations were too strict. and it wasn't achievable. even if we had stayed in the paris agreement, and this is the part everyone needs to really think about. if we had stayed in the paris agreement, which the countries told us you can do it. we won't say anything.
that's not who the u.s. is. one more truth tellers. we're going to tell the truth. two, it was not achooefbl. what president obama submitted the u.s. to was not achievable. we have to look at the fact we didn't want to be in violation of the agreement. if you look at the executive order that president trump signed that rolls back the clean power act a few months ago, that was already moving towards a pro business situation, but what we do have is a lot of companies who care about green technology. care about making sure that we take care of the environment, and you have a president who is very focussed on clean air, clean water, and jobs. >> you say we're truth tellers. let me show you what president trump tweeted. >> the concept of global warming was created by and for the chinese in order to u.s. manufacturing noncompetitive. are you willing to acknowledge that is nonsense? >> what let me tell you is the regulations from the paris agreement were disadvantaging
our companies. we know that. i knew that as a governor. we know it now. the jobs were not attainable as long as we had to live under the regulations. it wasn't possible to meet the conditions under the paris agreement had we attempted to do it. i think we have to look at what is real listic. we have a president who will watch out for the environment. what's with e do. it's who we are. we'll continue to be a leader in the environment. the rest of the world wanted to tell us how to do it. we're saying we'll do it under our terms. >> the standards were set by the united states for the united states. but just to be clear on this. >> no, the standards were set by president obama and not passed through the senate. because the standards couldn't have been achieved. >> no, but my point is you said the world was imposing standards on the united states. president obama, the president of the united states at the time is the one who set the standards. but moving that aside for one second. i want to be clear, you're not willing to ak nobcknowledge tha
calling climate change is a hoax. >> president trump believes that the climate is changing and pollutants is part of the equation. that is the fact. that's where it stands. he knows that it's changing. he knows the u.s. has to be responsible with it. that's we're going to do. because we got out of a club doesn't mean we don't care about the environment. >> let's talk about another club that we're in. nato. one of the biggest concerns in europe now is the president trump visited nato headquarters but not publicly reiterating the u.s. commitment to article v. vladimir putin suggested this weekend that these squabbles of nato are helpful to russia. i understand that the president wants every country to pay the fair share. why was the president not willing to underscore the united states' commitment to our allies in nato? >> because it was no change to policy. of course we believe in article v. i met with all of my nato
ambassadors yesterday. we've said a threat on one of us is a threat on all of us. nato will continue to be strong. it will continue to be united. russia is going to try to divide it. the truth is we never swayed from article v. we honestly still believe it. the president doesn't mention it because he wasn't changing. the focus will be on taking care of each other. >> why can you say it on my show but president trump can't say it at nato headquarters. he's made comments along the lines of he's not sure that the united states would be there for nato countries that aren't paying their fair sure. european allies, you know it better than i do, i've talked to our european allies. they needed to hear him reaffirm article v. >> i think if you asked him if he was in favor he would say yes. his sbebt is make sure that the burden sharing was happening. i think we want that in this day and time we're see soggy many threats around the world. we want to know our nato allies
are paying their fair share. they're stepping up and acknowledge the fact that we have to be strong militarily and united. i think we'll do that. there's never been a wavering or any sort of thought of changing from article v. we're going to take care of our friends. we expect our friends to take care of us. that's been a long standing rule. that won't change. >> i would love to ask president trump but he won't give me an interview. yahoo! is reporting that in the early weeks of the trump administration there was an effort by the white house to push the state department to begin to lift sanctions against russia. this week trump advisor gary cone wavered on whether the president will reconsider sanctions against russia. help me understand something, give the meddling in the election president you stated happened. and the continued russian occupation of crimea and eastern ukraine. why would the trump white house ever even consider easing
sanctions against russia? >> i'm not aware of that. so everything i know is that we will have said we're going to keep our sanctions strong and tough when it comes to the issue in ukraine. i've said it publicly. we'll continue to say that. there's no easing up on russia until they start becoming part of the minsk agreement. we think russia meddled in the election. i think congress is dealing with that. and we'll see what happens. >> you're not aware of it, but it did happen. the white house didn't dispute the report and the former state department official dannel reed has stated on the record this happened. there's been a lot of talk and reporting about jared kushner, the president's son-in-law and senior advisor trying to establish back-channel communications to russia. are you aware of those? >> no. i was not aware of any of that
if it happened. there's so many rumors back and forth. i think it's the reason that the investigation needs to move forward swiftly. >> the "washington post" reported jared kushner wanted to use the russian embassy to make secure phone calls to the kremlin. is that something you as u.s. ambassador to the u.n. would consider doing. making phone calls from the embassy -- a russian embassy where the russians could hear you but americans couldn't? >> first of all, i mean, i don't know that to be fact. so i can't sit there and agree with an assumption you're saying. no, i wouldn't do that. but at the same time i'm not in that inner circle of the administration. i do my job at the united nations and jared continues to do his job at the white house. until we see facts it's hard to respond to something like that. >> i want to turn to israel. during the campaign president trump made a specific promise. take a listen. >> we will move the american
embassy to the eternal capital of the jewish people jerusalem. >> president trump signed an order this week that will keep the american embassy in tel-aviv. we know the president styles himself as a deal maker. is he hoping to use the location of the u.s. embassy as leverage in a potential peace deal? >> i think that he knows it could be very much a part of the peace process. and so i think that what he did want to do is make sure that he wasn't interrupting the negotiations that are happening with the peace process. i think that they feel like it's moving forward in a constructive way. and he didn't want it to get in the way. he hasn't changed his position on moving the embassy. it's all about time. so i think that he wants to see how the peace process plays out and handle it accordingly. >> all
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welcome back to "state of the union." seven people are dead in london after a van careened into people. president trump used the event to bring attention to his travel ban. let's talk with our panel about it. we have former virginia attorney general ken kuch nelly, bill kristol, and care-- let me star
with you, ken. some people find it inappropriate for the president to be talking about a travel ban immediately after the attack. he did eventually, of course, go on to offer thoughts, prayers, and condolences. is there anything wrong with what he did? >> no, i don't think so. i mean, look, they're in the middle of a legal contest over this. i think the courts are violating the separation of power and invading the prerogative of the executive branch clearly. there's a political element he's trying to make the case to the public. courts can decide how fast to consider them. they're trying to get the supreme court to let the policy stand pending the outcome of litigation. things like this incident can, and we'll never know, it won't be in the orders can affect judges. they're human beings, too. to get them to speed it up. it can affect the process by which this is considered.
>> okay. so he tweets about the travel ban. he doesn't know where the people are residents of. he doesn't know anything about it. rule number one of being -- >> he might have something. i mean, he's the president. he has access to information >>well, okay. none of it has even, to this moment, made public or said they know anything about the identities of the people. but i appreciate you giving him the benefit of the doubt on it. >> that's my job. >> rule number one of being the commander in chief of the largest and most important nation on earth, i would say, is that you do not jump to conclusions. you don't attack the mayor of london who is going through the middle of this. and you don't act defensively -- he had three tweets i think were completely off. one on. the one about the travel ban which is the first tweet out of the box. instead of offering condolences and help. second attacking the mayor of london. and the third being defensive
about guns saying, you know, you notice it's about knives. of course one might say if the people had ak 47s, a lot more people would have been killed. nonetheless, those instincts of his are totally off the mark. >> let me ask you, bill, because one of the interesting things that the governor just pointed out is we don't know who this is. a lot of terrorists, i think maybe entirely the terrorists that struck london and manchester in the last -- previous month. we don't know about this account. they were nationals. they were british. and the truth of the matter is, home grown terrorism is a bigger threat here in the united states, at least so far, and so far in the uk it has been. the travel ban wouldn't necessarily have impacted any of those attacks. >> i guess home grown terrorists in touch with or manchester, libya, and stuff. there's national connections and people will say it's just self-radicalization. it's the case of people are flying in often do with their
locals. theresa may made an excellent statement. i recommend to everyone see it. i recommend president trump this is how a serious leader makes a stu tough statement. she talks about islamic extremism. we have to deny them safe someplace someplaces -- places on the internet at home. but also a responsible and sober statement. not the bombast we get from trump. i hope donald trump and others take a look at may. >> i would say this, i hope that the supreme court was watching the tweets this morning. he basically confirm what all of us have been saying. yeah, this is actually a ban. that's what the lower courts confirmed and said it's a ban. it's a dangerous one, at that. the other thing, too, i would say and i'm not trying to be funny here. it's in true honesty.
i wish someone in the name of national security that someone would change the password on his twitter account so he can be locked out. he's erratic, it's dangerous, and it's false. >> and, jake, you made a point a moment about home grown versus the foreign connection. and, look, the president can't take away rights here within the country. all right. but the folks that the travel ban is aimed at have no rights. they have no rights under our -- >> they're coming to the united states. >> they have no -- and there's no reason that we should let folks in those categories in -- by the way, identified by the last administration as heightened security areas, risks for heightened security. so there is a difference. you can't just equate the home grown problem, which is, frankly, more complicated with the contacts and the foreign contacts. >> i guess my point is, the
threat is actually greater from home grown terrorists in the uk and the united states, according to national security officials of both countries. the travel ban -- >> right. >> it doesn't argue against it. >> that's not a solution. >> it's not a reason not to address that part of the problem. you can't, again, the constitution protects the rights of folks who are already here in the united states and that's a different and much more complicated and long term challenge. >> it's just kind of like the guy looking for his keys under the streetlight that's on as opposed to the one who lost his keys. if the problem is over here -- that's all i'm saying, governor. >> i totally agree and the obama administration identified these places where they don't want americans to travel to. we don't know if these people are relevant in any way with the travel ban, which is the problem, that he has not narrowed the scope of his solution to the problem. we'll see what the supreme court does. he has a justice now.
he might go the other way. >> people from those countries have been involved in terrorism in this country. this is not irrelevant. it is relevant. >> i'm not saying it's irrelevant. >> just not complete. >> i think you take my point. i want to turn to the fbi director testifying on thursday, bill. take a look at what president trump had to say about what he wants from comey's testimony. >> all i want is for comey to be honest, and i hope he will be, and i'm sure he will be, i hope. >> now, comey is set to testify on thursday assuming president trump does not invoke privilege and block him from testifying. do you think he should stop him from testifying? >> no, i don't think he has a chance of succeeding. james comey is a private citi n citizen. as long as he doesn't reveal classified information. if jim comey came on this panel right now, he could do it. >> we would love to have him on. >> plenty of cabinet officials and staff have left administrations and spoken about maybe they shouldn't, that's
another question, but they have the right to speak about conversations they've had with the president. but he won't talk about the fbi investigation. we don't have an fbi director, we have an acting director, and i'm sure he's competent and the fbi can do its thing without having a director. but it just shows how reckless, and in this respect, i do agree, donald trump fired an fbi director without having someone else in place. here we are three weeks later, there's still no candidate. it wasn't a very prudent thing to do for governance reasons alone, aside from whatever other motives he might have had. >> are you ever concerned that the base of the democratic party have far higher expectations for what's going to come of this investigation into either russian collusion or obstruction of justice than what is actually going to come? does that ever bother you or worry you? >> that's a good question. i've never thought that far questio question. it's a good one to think about but it looks like a five-alarm
fire. it doesn't stop. every day we hear from media reports something else that has -- either it's leading to a cover-up or potential collusion. so i think we're in the place with comey, and just to talk about the executive privilege, donald trump waived his right to executive privilege because he talked about it publicly. he talked about a potential tape. so if he were to do that, he's actually -- he can't. but here we are in the situation where we have a former fbi director who is going to be under oath in front of congress. if he actually says, confirms what the media reports have been saying, we could be dealing with a constitutional crisis. >> you had senator warner on here earlier. you asked him a similar question and he said, look, there's a lot of things that look smoky here but no fire yet. that is still true. we all know the russians have been meddling in our elections as long as they've been able to do it. technology has given them a better ability to do that now at
a lower cost. does that mean there's collusion? there's no evidence of that yet. there is no evidence of that. >> there is a lot of smoke because each day there are pieces of wood that are added to the fire. what mark werner also said is one of the things they're going to ask is why donald trump, on the day that jim comey announced that he was doing an investigation of russian collusion, calls dan coats, head of the director of national intelligence and says, can you push back on that? and calls admiral rogers and says the same thing. all of these things add up to not just smoke but potentially a bonfire. we'll see. >> i appreciate your continued use of the metaphor. that was very, very skillful. >> that was impressive. >> thank you all for being here. if steamy beach reads are not your style, don't worry, washington has you covered. four sitting senators have new books out and one of them is not afraid to wield his poison pen.
the senate is considered the most exclusive club in the world but two of its members cannot seem to get along these days. senators al franken and ted cruz currently engaged in the bloodiest duel since hamilton d. burr. >> he's kind of a toxic guy in office, the guy who microwaves fish. >> in franken's new book, he devotes an entire chapter to his distaste for ted cruz, and he says he's hardly alone. >> i probably like ted cruz more than most of my colleagues like ted cruz, and i hate ted cruz. >> it seems to be a bipartisan and bycameral cause. speaker boehner once called him a jackass and a lost cause. franken even claims that in a secret santa drawing in the u.s. senate, his fellow senators
refused cruz. >> i've had people pick out cruz' name and then drop it on the floor. i have actually had that happen. >> as for cruz, he seems to be taking it in stride, calling franken obnoxious and insulting, but claiming he's just trying to get liberals to buy books. if that's the plan, it does seem to be working. franken's book is currently climbing the best-seller list. thank you for spending your sunday morning with us. you can catch me here every sunday and weekdays on "the lead" every weekend. and go to cnn.com/sotu for news. "fareed zakaria" is next. ere brs replacing chemotherapy with immunotherapy. where we can now attack the causes of disease, not just the symptoms.
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i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from new york. we have an important show for you, all about the two big stories of this week. we'll start with last night's terror attack in london. less than two weeks after a terrorist attack at the manchester arena, just ten weeks after an attack on westminster