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the date at all, and you can tell as the defense said in their opening statements to the jury this man's liberty is at stake, and you are the ones that will decide his liberty. it is in your hands. >> all right. jean casarez reporting. our thanks to you. "the lead" with jake tapper starts now. see you tomorrow. thanks, ana. the white house saying pay no attention when the president tells the world how he really feels. "the lead" starts right now. president trump embarking upon yet another tweet storm, this one attacking his own administration for a travel ban that he himself signed and some spinners from the white house saying we're supposed to ignore these most unfiltered thoughts. spoiler alert, we're not going to do this it. the london terrorists identified today after the brutal attacks in the heart of the city. neighbors are saying they warned police long ago about one of them. plus, some breaking news. the white house had a short time ago saying president trump will not try to stop james comey from
testifying in front of the senate this week, but that does not mean, of course, the white house is not going to try to discredit him. good afternoon, everyone. welcome to "the lead." in our politics lead, let's start with this. the president's twitter feed a teletype from his psyche, an id, non-stop news wire of his mood, his grievances and trisks and thoughts on policies and everything else under the sun. the tweets often undermine the president's own goals, however, though the white house has insisted, for example, his proposed travel ban is not a travel ban. this morning the president tied, quote, people, the lawyers, the courts, they can call it whatever they want. i am calling it what we need and what it is a travel ban. the justice department should have stayed with the original travel ban, not the watered down politically correction version they submitted to the supreme court. now, needless to say these tweets do not help arguments the administration has been trying to make about how this executive order is not actually a travel ban, but when my colleague chris
cuomo attempted to ask one of the president's men about it earlier today, he was told we in the media should not take the president's social media statements so seriously. >> tweets are the policy. they are statements from the president of the united states about what he wants. >> it's not policy. >> of course it is. >> it's social media, chris. there's a difference, right. >> it is his words, his thoughts. >> that's not policy. it's not an executive policy. it's social media. please, understand the difference. >> i think that you need to have a little bit of an understanding. >> i'm at the white house. i know what policy is. you're a journalist. >> what are you saying, we shouldn't listen to what the president says? >> you shouldn't obsess about it for 12 minutes, chris. >> the notion that we're all obsessed, that was repeated by kellyanne conway on the "today" show. >> this obsession with covering everything he says on twitter and very little of what he does as president. >> that's his preferred method of communication with the american people. >> that's not true. >> on its fear this is, of course, sheer nonsense. the media should cover what the
president does as president as miss conway noted and we do but to act as if the president should not pay attention to uncensored statements from the president's brain to his fingertips to the world via twitter that's laughable. don't take it from me. taking it from a noted conservative attorney who recently took himself out of the running for a senior justice department job in the trump administration. george conway, who happens to be kellyanne conway's husband, he reacted to mr. trump's tweets by noting how difficult the tweets make the job for the administration's lawyer, the officer of solicitor general, or osg to defend the travel ban before the supreme court or scotus. conway tweeted these tweets may make some people feel better, but they certainly won't help the solicitor general get five votes in the supreme court which is what actually matters. sad. this george conway tweet is significant. it's a direct criticism of the president from a close ally. george conway is saying tweeting
might make you feel better, mr. president, but it is hurting your agenda, and it's frankly just the latest example we've witnessed of people who care about president trump trying to get through to him to start acting more rational and restrained. now, why do it the people around president trump have such a difficult time getting through to him, to cease what they themselves on background describe as self-destructive habits. one thing is clear. whatever his team has tried so hard to convince the president to stop these erratic and impulsive actions, it's not working. you have to try something else, and, yes, we all see what's going on. cnn's sara murray is live for us at the white house today. sara, of course, this is not what the what is staff wanted to be talking about today. >> reporter: well, jake, when you're debating whether or not we should pay attention to the president's tweets, it's pretty clear that things have veered off message. for what it's worth, sarah huckabee sanders who it is briefing reporters say she does think the report remembers and
america should pay attention to the tweets, how he speaks directly to the people but what he was speaking directly to the people today had nothing to do with his own policy agenda. today president trump is trampling his own agenda. >> today we're proposing to take american air travel into the future, finally, finally. >> reporter: after the administration teenagersed a week of infrastructure-focused events, the president derailed that strategy with a fiery tweet storm. trump using the terror attack in london to defend his travel ban and slam his own justice department, tweeting the justice department should have stayed with the original travel ban, not the watered down politically correct version they submitted to supreme court. this as the trump administration asked the supreme court to allow the travel ban after lower courts have repeatedly rebuffed the national security explanations for such a ban. and lest there be any confusion, the president is making clear the ban is a ban.
tweeting people, the lawyers and the courts can call it whatever they want, but i am calling it what we need and what it is, a travel ban, a comment the white house communications shop is standing by today. >> i don't think the president cares what you call it, whether you call it a ban, whether you call it a restriction. he -- he cares that we call it national security and that we take steps to protect the people of this country. >> reporter: that's after other administration officials insisted it wasn't a ban at all. >> this is not a muslim ban. it's not a travel ban. it's a -- it's a vetting system to keep america safe. >> reporter: the travel ban isn't the only tweet storm taking the president and the white house off message. the president took to twitter to criticize london's response and the city's mayor directly saying pathetic excuse by london mayor sadiq khan who had to think fast on his no reason to be alarmed statement. that's after the mayor had urged citizens in london not to be alarmed by a visible increase in police activity on the streets in london.
today a white house spokeswoman defended those tweets, too. >> i don't see that the president is picking a fight. i think that the point is there is a reason to be alarmed. we have constant attacks going on, not just there but across the globe. >> reporter: as trump aired his outrage on twitter, one of his top advisers insisted the media shouldn't be paying so much attention to the president's own statements. >> but, you know, this obsession with covering everything he says on twitter and very little of what he does as president. >> that's his preferred method of communication with the american people. >> that's not true. >> reporter: but his twitter outbursts could have real ramifications, like complicating the travel ban's fate in court, a concern aird by kellyanne conway's own husband george conway. he seized on one of trump's tweets saying these tweets may make some people feel better but it certainly won't health office of solicitor general get five votes in scotus which is what actually matters, sad. george conway reese represent
thely pulled his name out of consideration for a department of justice job before he started tweeting his concerns and his disapproval. that's a disapproval shared by many americans. at this point the gallup daily tracking poll puts trump's approval numbers in the mid-30s. jake? >> sara murray, thank you. london police named two of the three london terrorists, and we're getting new details about one of the men who belonged to a group of islamic extremists that supported isis. that story next.
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back with the world lead. london police revealed the names and what they know about two of the three terrorists behind saturday's horrific attack. the group took seven innocent lives and injured 48 hours when they rammed a van into pedestrians on a london bridge and went on a brutal stabbing street at a nearby borough
market. video shows some of the unspeakable panic as officers are searching for the attackers. today police are continuing to look for anyone who might have helped pull off this gruesome terrorist attack. more live from the london suburb of barking. one of these terrorists was already known for his islamist extremist views. >> reporter: that's right, jake. now 48 hours after this attack we're finally getting details about the attackers from the authorities, specifically about one man named khuram shazad butt, a british national born in pakistan. in fact, he lived right here behind mow. was known to the intelligence services because of his islamist activities and last year appeared in a documentary called "the jihadis next door." tonight british police revealing the identities of two of the three men who carried out the deadly terror attack on london bridge. 27-year-old khuram shazad butt and 30-year-old rachid redouane were in that white van plowing
into passers-by on the bridge and into a nearby market where they went on a stabbing rampage. the third attacker's name has still not been released. but was featured in a documentary last year about british jihadis. he's believed to have lived in this building in east london quickly raided by police. along with at least three other properties in this barking neighborhood and nearby where police investigators carried out searches and arrests. the police are now looking for possible accomplices. ten people have been detain. among them six women. their connection to the attackers so far unclear. today we met michael mimbo who lives steps away from a building that was raided. he says butt was his friend and had recently started talking to neighborhood kids about islam. >> his viewed changed a lot. he became a bit more erratic about how he communicated with the kids and telling them what to believe and stuff like that. >> reporter: and then the kids would go home and tell their
parents? >> yeah, yeah. >> reporter: and hours before the attack mimbo saw butt with a white van like the one used that night flying down their small street. >> ten-mile-per-hour zone and you're driving and kids there. the bends, quickly speeding on the bends. it's unusual. >> reporter: another neighbor told britain's itn when he wanted a moving van, one of the suspects took an odd interest. >> he's getting inquisitive about the van. saying where can i get a van from. just asking real details. how much was it and just asking where he could get a van basically, and then he said to mow, oh, i might be leaving shortly with my family as well >> reporter: police have now revealed more about how they stopped the attack at 10:00 p.m. on saturday night. responding just eight minutes after it started. eight officers firing 50 rounds to take them down in a hail of bullets described as unprecedented in the uk. the situation leaves officers
were confronted with were critical, a matter of life and death. three armed men wearing what appeared to be suicide belts. they had already attacked and killed members of the public and had to be stopped immediately. >> reporter: despite the fact that butt was known to the authorities there, what is no evidence that he was planning an attack. the other man, redouane, was not known to the authorities earlier today, the commissioner for the metropolitan police here in london warned on the bbc that the majority of face that we're facing is not overseas, meaning it's homegrown terror. >> thanks so much. is there any way to prevent something like the london attack from happening here in the united states? we'll talk to the former secretary of the department of homeland security next, and then the white house says the president will not try and stop former fbi director james comey from testifying, so how much will comey share about his meetings with the president? stay with us. at fidelity, trades are now just $4.95. we cut the price of trades to give investors even more value. and at $4.95, you can trade with a clear advantage.
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identified. joining me now to talk about this all is michael chertoff, former homeland security secretary under president george w. bush. so this man khuram shazad butt. he was known to british counterterrorism authorities. one woman told "the guardian" she reported him to the police because he was trying to convert women and children in the park. i'm ready to do what needs to be, including killing my own mother. she told that to the police, and then -- and then nothing. >> you know, i think we've seen this occasionally where somebody brings something to the attention of the authorities and then they seem to drop the matter, and i think that's a combination of things. sometimes it's human error. sometimes it's because the legal tools available to the authorities don't really give them an option, so, for example, in the u.s. in this kind of a case, the fbi might put in an undercover or an informant in to meet with him and see if he wants to pursue the idea of an attack and then they would arrest him. also in the u.s., we have a fairly broad material support of
terrorism law which allows us to arrest people and convict them for preparatory steps that they might take in terrorism, so we have some additional tools which i think the british may not have. >> how could the british not have them? i think we would have more constraints because of the constitution. it always seems like europe can do a lot more things like in terms of intense police presence that the united states is constrained from doing. >> i think it's historical. in the u.s. we've used sting operations and undercover operations for a long time. i think the british do it, but they don't do it quite as much as they do, and the material support law in the u.s. is one of the broadest laws in the world that allows you to go after people who are merely in the preparatory stages of assistant terrorist organizations. >> why is it that we've seen this outburst of islamist terrorism in europe in the last couple of years, and we have not seen it to the same extent, thank god, in this country? >> i think part of it is in some countries in europe you have a
pool of potential recruits that's larger than in the u.s. you have people who are second generation immigrants. they may be disaffected and may not be well intergreat. in another environment they might join gangs and in some cases we see people who became terrorists and i think the sociology is a part of it. we've had good associations with our communities in the u.s. for the most part. this the was an occasion sometime back when i was in office when a number of somalis went to fight with al shabaab and the communities came forward and worked with authorities to try to prevent that. we've done some things right in this area. >> theresa may says there's far too much tolerance of extremism and they need to review the country's counterterrorism strategy. how do you interpret that, there's too much tolerance of extremism here? >> i think there's certain areas in the uk where for all intents and purposes the authorities deferred to some radical
elements in the community and don't really want to push back on that. the challenge is how do you enemies the more moderate members of the community so that it's not just the government coming in and big-footing, but it's actually the community itself which identifies people who are bad actors, counteracts the message and works on educating young people to understand that these radicals are not really acting in the name of islam, so it's got to be a joint public/private partnership. >> lastly, the current secretary of homeland security, general john kelly, said if people knew what he knew about the terror threat in the u.s. they would not leave the house. did you feel that way when you had the job? >> well, of course, i was on duty on september 11 and lived through that. i actually felt that we were making really positive steps to getting security. i knew we had terrific people working on this. i know that general kelly knows there are terrific people. i think he was making a rhetorical point, but i know from speaking to him, he has a lot of confidence, both in the folks in the department of
homeland security and in the folks in the fbi and the other -- and the intelligence agencies, so i -- i think that he wants to remind people we can't be complacent, but i don't think there's any doubt that we have a terrific group of people working on this 24/7. >> it does seem to be that when people take office, whether democrats, republicans, whatever, all of a sudden they get the declassified briefing, the real stuff, and there's a holy cow moment. you can see the president, you see it with dhs secretaries, probably what he went through. >> i remember we sat with the president every week when i was secretary and going over the threat matrix and drilling down into what are you doing about this? what are you doing about that? and, you know, that's -- it is sobering. there's no question about it. >> all right. former secretary of department homeland security michael chertoff, appreciate it. the white house says it will not try to silence fired fbi director james comb we he testifies on the hill later today but will the president be doing a play-by-play of the testimony on twitter? stick around.
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testify wednesday about the russia probe. cnn's diane gallagher joins us now. what do we know about what james comey might have to say on thursday? >> you know as anybody that james comey kind of has a bit of a reputation when it comes to spell-binding testimony. sources have indicated he's keen to recall the tense moments with president trump, but because much of this could be important to the special counsel investigation it's hard to predict just how far he'll go. one thing we do know though, doesn't appear that the president is going to stand in his way. >> president trump will not assert executive privilege regarding james comey's schedule testimony. >> reporter: and the senators are ready to grill james comey on thursday. >> what's the big question that you have for the fbi director? >> the question that's been asked by west virginians is if you knew or if you thought there was obstruction of justice, why didn't you act on it? >> reporter: looking for clarification on a memo written by comey in which sources say the former fbi director says that trump allegedly urged him to go easy on former national security adviser michael flynn while a source with knowledge of
comey's thinking tells cnn comey was, quote, disturbed by his interactions with the president, but he felt that he had the situation under control. everyone is waiting to see if comey reached the same conclusion himself. >> the tone, the exact words that were spoken and the context are so important, and that's what we lack right now, and we can only get that by talking to those directly involved. >> reporter: in the meantime, the white house isn't commenting on the russia investigation itself, now referring questions to outside counsel, but the trump team certainly has no problem talking about comey. >> people should also look at the rod rosenstein memo. he clearly points out that the integrity and morale were down and said that comey tried to usurp the power of the attorney general. >> reporter: deputy attorney general rod rosenstein will likely be asked about the man he recommended be fired on wednesday when he appears before the senate intelligence
committee to discuss wiretapping authorities. he told the associated press on friday if he became the subject of special counsel robert mueller's investigation rosenstein would recuse himself from oversight of mueller. mueller's investigation of the russian meddling in the election is expansive and could look at the firing of comey. senator mark warner telling jake tapper on "state of the union" while comey is the headliner there's a number of key people testifying. >> one of the questions we'll have for director comey on thursday, but on wednesday for director of national intelligence coates and nsa director admiral rogers. i'm going to want to ask them because there have been reports that the president also talked to both of them in terms of asking them to downplay the russian investigation. >> reporter: and that's not all. tomorrow is the deadline for former nsa michael flynn to start turning over the documents and records in response to a set
of subpoenas from the committee so quite the to-do list for congress this weekend in regards to the russia probe. >> diane gallagher. thanks so much. lots to talk about with our panel. let me start with you, alice stewart. this morning kellyanne conway pointing to comey having to, quote, scurry to correct his testimony last time having to do with huma abedin and anthony weiner, partly to discredit comey's credibility? >> i think that's a mistake because while republicans and democrats alike can disagree hon how comey has handled the situation, no one is really questioning his honesty and character and integrity and that's what's going to see him through this. i think it was very wise on the part of the white house to say that they are not going to try and exercise executive privilege with this case because that makes it appear as though they have something to hide. let comey testify and get the facts out there and get the full information and get this russia probe behind the administration and get them back on offense driving their message. >> how aggressive do you think
we're going to hear criticisms of comey from the white house and its allies? >> i do think you can see it's starting already and seems that the calculation that they have made it would be a bad move strategically to try to stop it but we can undercut it and talking about things he's done in the past, revisiting some of these issues, democratic opposition even before we see him testify. i think there will be a questioning of kind of his past. >> and we've heard that a lot. we'll hear a lot about how democrats lambasted comey all throughout the summer and fall of 2016. >> yeah. i suspect the democrats are going to be pretty quiet here, and they are going to let jim comey just spin it out as he intends to, and don't forget that he is a very, very practiced, very experienced at testifying in front of congress. >> we've seen him on the hill over and over again. he always gets his message through, and he's a very effective witness. >> one of the things -- i suspect a lot of the russia
testimony will not be shared in open hearing. i think it will be probably for the closed hearing, but the obstruction of justice questions i think will probably we'll hear a lot about, the meetings that comey had with president trump, whether or not in retrospect he feels that maybe it was obstruction of justice even if at the time he did not. >> well, it's kind of hard to question whether or not those conversations were had given that we know that donald trump has mentioned them and even referred to them in writing talking about i appreciate you telling me three times i'm not under investigation, so, unfortunately, again, this is another situation where it's a self-inflicted wound on the part of the president, but we will see. we'll see what comey has to say, but more than anything i think the more information on this probe we can get out there, the better. >> go ahead. >> well, i think though what they are going to come after him with is if you felt this way at the time, they be why didn't you say something at the time? why didn't you resign at the time, but judging from what
we've heard from comey's allies, his -- his version is going to be i thought i had brushed it back, and certainly all of that changed when he got fired. >> it seems from a conversation i had with a comey friend, it seems that they think that the act of fishing him is part of the obstruction in itself, not just the conversations, but i want to change the subject a bit, speaking of self-inflicted wounds which alice just brought up, let's talk about the president's teams which none other than george conway, a respected conservative lawyer in town and kellyanne conway's husband, pointed out in a tweet undermines the president's own legal argument before the u.s. supreme court by calling it a ban, by saying that the watered down version is politically correct, et cetera. >> george conway's tweet, i'm assuming you felt this way, was incredibly surprising to a lot of us who follow this sort of thing and he's since come back and expressed his ongoing support for the president, but you see it in everything from the president's treatment of the mayor of london to all of the comey-related issues and now to the travel ban as well. i got an unsolicited e-mail from
a group that does like online betting and whatever today talking about what the odds are already for whether the president tweets on thursday and whether he used a word like fake or comey or whatever. this has become an entire like separate cottage industry. is president trump going to step on his own message via twitter. this is something we'll all be watching, whether it deals with the travel ban or the supreme court. what we hear and see from the president on thursday outside of official events. >> it's not surprising that george conway would reaffirm his support for the president. that's the whole point of why it's important. george conway supports the president and wants him to succeed and it's almost like an act of intervention for him to send out a tweet like that. >> right, and george conway was up for a very big job in the justice department at one point. he's a skilled lawyer, and by the way he's not exactly a frequent tweeter sgleert no. >> so the fact that he would go to the very medium that the president uses to -- to voice that.
>> beg him to stop. >> and -- and, again, "the washington post" had a story today saying that this -- you know, these tweets could really undercut the president's legal arguments, and george conway re-tweet that had with good analysis. >> george's comment is one that you would expect to hear in a meeting, an attorney-client privilege conversation and the best way to communicate with donald trump is on twitter, unfortunately. >> the there's a lot of people who love admire and want president trump to succeed, and they are so frustrated by his inability to control his impulses to send out tweets about every negative emotion he has at that very moment. >> the problem to some extent is that the tweets are not consistent. in one of them he'll have a tweet explaining what really happened with jim comey, and then, you know, weeks later it will be a tweet that completely undercuts the previous tweet or what he sent out the administration to say that travel ban is an obvious example
of that. it's a ban. it's not a ban. it's a ban again. not just going public with things that would be better left unsaid, but it's the inconsistency about those messages that's created some of the legal, you know, concerns about either building a case for something affirmatively or bolstering against an accusation that you've done something. >> and i think more than anything, what this does it takes away from their ability to drive their message. when they do have legislative accomplishments. they had great announcements with regard to the v.a. and also with -- >> with the air traffic controls. those are great messages. drive that. >> right. it's infrastructure week. >> certainly, and reinforce that on twitter. unfortunately, again, he takes the communications shop off message. >> the great piece by susan glasser this week about how president trump surprised members of his own national security staff by going before nato and not affirming his belief in article v of nato
which is an attack of one is an attack on all and the allies wanted him to hear that and there's a report in politico that said top people thought he was going to do it. >> it was in the speech, according to susan glasser, a really terrific reporter at politico, and he did not say that part of the speech. this not only -- this contradicts actually what they were saying in realtime during the trip as well, and i think it really undercuts the credibility of the president's national security team which really has been seen as kind of the single strongest part of the administration. it's a very important story. >> people really respect general mattis and h.r. mcmaster and for them to be disobeyed and maybe even out of the loop on this decision is a big deal. >> at the time he was on the nine-day trip and at the time his speech occurred, that nato speech, we all noticed it. i remember, we were like an audible gasp that the peach is over and we're all in this
filing center saying he didn't say -- he didn't actually refer to article v, did he? even called the nsc for clarification and what happened and the messaging from the communication shop was, the white house, said, absolutely, that was an affirmation of article v. >> right, his presence there. >> that's what they were actually saying. >> and the sort of brief messaging like after the 2001 attacks, you know, article v was invoked, but there was the obvious not the rest of it that you would expect which is, and, you know, you can always count on the u.s. to be there for. that's the part that never happened, and at the time it was like don't make such a mountain out of a molehill, but maybe it was. >> tell our allies in europe. thank you so much one and all. be sure to tune in thursday to cnn for special coverage of james comey's testimony before the senate intelligence committee starting at 9:00 a.m. eastern. coming up, amid alleged ties to terrorism, five arab nations cut
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weapon upon himself. the killer was identified as john robert newman jr. police say he targeted his victims and had a negative relationship with at least one of them before he was fired in april. the oldest victim of this rampage was 69 years old. the youngest was 44. they were robert schneider, brenda m ho ntanez-crespo, kevin clark and two others. more in our world lead. a diplomatic riff in the middle east. so far a total of six countries have cut ties with qatar. five erin nations. five nations suspended relations with qatar for supporting terrorism. qatar is a key u.s. ally in the region and host one of the largest u.s. military bases in the middle east with more than 10,000 u.s. troops. let's bring in cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr. the simple question. why does the u.s. have a base in the country that all the other
arab nations say is supporting terrorism? >> reporter: for years now the u.s. has been in qatar because it offers them one key thing, access to one of the military air bases from which the u.s. can operate, but now commercial eric traffic is cut off. television broadcasts are cut off and, of course, the next question is where will it all go from here? >> just as the u.s.-led coalition is approaching raqqa, isis' self-declared capital and is almost ready to declare victory over isis in mosul, the worst diplomatic crisis in years has erupted across the middle east with several of the u.s.' closest military allies. at least six nations, saudi arabia, bahrain, the united arab emirates, egypt, yemen and the maldives have cut off relations with qatar over claims it is supporting terrorism and is too close to iran which makes the u.s. led efforts to fight isis a
bit more tricky. >> what we're witnessing is a growing list of some irritants in the region that have been there for some time and obviously they have now bubbled up to a level that countries have decided they needed to take action. >> so far there's no indication that the thousands of u.s. troops stationed in qatar or their military operations will be impacted. u.s. officials say. qatar is home to thousand of u.s. troops and is vital because the u.s. conducts air operations out of the air base and runs are an op center coordinating all air combat missions over iraq and syria. defense secretary james mattis says the war against isis won't be affected. >> i'm confident there will be no complications coming out of that diplomatic situation at all. >> reporter: mattis also taking the opportunity to slam iran's efforts in the region. >> i believe iran's actions speak louder than anyone's words. >> reporter: but a move against
qatar is a problem for trump administration which wants an anti-iran coalition. >> our whole strategy towards deterring iran and maintaining the security of the gulf has been about getting the arab militaries to work together and we we are now. the arab militaries are farther than they have been in years in years. >> reporter: leaving president trump who met with gulf leaders just days ago with uncertainty about the next military moves on all sides. >> if you're jim mattis with good relations throughout the gulf looking at a preeminent security threat coming out of iran, life just got an awful lot more complicated in the last couple of days. >> reporter: actually one of the biggest decisions is a big economic decision. will these countries now participate in the scheduled 2022 world cup that is to be held in qatar? the ministry of foreign affairs there issued a statement saying
all of this international action against its government was unwarranted. jake? >> barbara starr at the pentagon for us, thank you so much. he developed an algorithm to combat online child pornography, and now he's using the same technology to identify and remove extremist islamist content posted by terrorists. could this be a key to stopping isis from recruiting more young people? stay with us. your insurance company
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welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. turning to our tech lead, prominent social media companies are being accused of allowing terrorists to spread their extremist messages and planned terrorist attack online. over the weekend british prime minister theresa may called for tightening measures and a leading computer scientist created an algorithm to block child pornography and now he created he's developed a similar algorithm to block tweets or propaganda from isis so why are google and other social medias not using it? joining me now is a professor at dartmouth college and a senior adviser to the counterextremism project. you see your mechanism can block and stop extremist coffee.
>> the way we dealt with the child pornography problem back in 2008 and 2009 is we have a huge stash of known child pornography images and that content gets redistributed and we reach into those images and extract out a distinct signature very much like human dna and what that means we can sit at facebook or twitter or google and every image or audio recording comes in we grab its signature and compare it to a database of known bad content and we filter it out and we do that, by the way, with malware and viruses. we do it with spam. we have mechanisms to filter out things that we know are harmful to the internet and we simply have to deploy the technology at this point. >> so you have offered this mechanism for free to top tech companies, google, facebook, twitter, utwo, microsoft, but we've told they have yet to use it. the companies said they are using their own tools as well as working amongst themselves. do you think what they are doing now is enough to stop the spread
of this potentially terrorist content? >> yeah. that's a good question. we just saw a report from the eu last week that showed that more than 50% of the reports were takedown notices to these companies are not being satisfied, so if they have technology to solve this problem, why is the content so easily available? so i'm not buying the story. if the technology is there fantastic. if it's our technology, somebody else's technology, we don't care. this is not a money-making adventure. we want to develop technology that allows the internet to be open and free and accessible while mitigating the harm and i don't think they are doing enough to mitigate the harm and we're seeing that in a very real way. >> your technology was used and works to combat kiddie porn, to combat that horrible epidemic of child pornography. why the would they not take your algorithm for free as you're offering and use it to try to stop this problem? >> i think that's the right question to ask, and i don't have a good answer for that. i mean, we have been asking
these companies for years, for decades to do more, to mitigate the harm of what is happening on their network. i can tell you in the child pornography space it took years and years and years of pressure. it took years and years and years of pressure from the legislators, from advertisers and from the media and for the public for them to act. left to their own devices they don't want to filter out this content. it's not in their interests, so i think it's incredibly important that we keep having these conversations because i think it's frankly not in their financial interest to do it. their entire business model leverages user contempt, taking down content is bad for them and it's really as simple as that, and without external pressure we see the same things playing out in the extremism space and the child pornography space. they simply won't ask until they are forceded to. >> you think the pressure needs to come from the public and from public officials perhaps? >> right, and you saw this. you saw this a few weeks ago when advertisers fled google en masse because goals was not doing enough to control the way
that people advertising were being pushed online and what would be developed to do this? they knew the problem was there before but chose not to the do anything about it. >> thanks so much. that's it for "the lead." i'm jake tapper. i now turn you over to wolf blitzer in "the situation room.." happening now. breaking news. lashing out. president trump launches a twitter attack on london's mayor taking his words about terror out of context and calling his words pat thick. why is the president responding to the latest terror attack with a tirade? >> atea, identified. investigators named two of the three men behind the london rampage as police carry out a series of raids in search afc polices. were the terrorists on the intelligence radar? trump versus trump. the president blafs his own justice department and the executive order he signed just as his administration prepares