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iran, life just got an awful lot more complicated in the last couple of days. >> reporter: tonight, qatar saying there is no justification for these actions. wolf? >> barbara, thank you very much. thanks for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. >> "outfront" next, breaking news. we're learning about a top secret document that says russian military agents may have penetrated the 2016 election to a degree never before known. and more breaking news this hour. the president decides not to invoke executive privilege to stop jim comey's testimony before congress. now, what will the former fbi director say? and trump is calling it a travel ban again. did he just ensure the supreme court will block the ban for good? let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, the breaking news. a new top secret document, a document that says the russian military may have gotten farther into the u.s. voting system than
anyone ever thought. and the leaker of that document, under arrest tonight. two former fbi agents tell "outfront" that a powerful message is being sent by the department of justice this hour. a message that may chill the investigation into russia and the trump campaign. an investigation that leakers have fueled. jim sciutto is "outfront" tonight. jim, how did they find this leaker? >> reporter: erin, really remarkable details here. this was a federal contractor working for the nsa. the nsa has a facility in augusta, georgia, who got her hands on a classified nsa report, dated just earlier in may of this year, regarding russian interference in the election. sent that to a reporter. then that outlet, the intercept, presented the fbi with that document. probably to say is this authentic? they noticed that there was a crease on the image of the document, which indicated to
them the document had been printed. so they looked to see how many people had printed this document, only half a dozen people, and only one person who e-mailed it. they were able to identify the leaker of that document through some good old fashioned and simple police work. >> it's just incredible. obviously then this woman, i know it's a woman, 25 years old, admitted to doing this, saying yes, she nailed it to the news outlet. obviously could go to jail and for years. >> reporter: that's right. let's say what this document said. it's new document compiled by the nsa dated in may with new details about how far -- where the russians were targeting their hacks during the campaign. we know very well about stealing e-mails from democratic party operatives, releasing them at inopportune times, the judgment done to hurt hillary clinton and help donald trump. at the same time, russians were
at least probing voter registration systems. we reported on some of the election, in arizona, in illinois, and in florida, including hacking a contractor that was working for the voter system -- the voting system in florida. the nsa finding new information about these probing attacks. i should say no new information to indicate they affected voter tall yis, but new information about it, and a new classified report put together. the assessment has not changed. the voting tallies weren't affected. but listen, intelligence is always about police work, right? they're picking up new intelligence all the time. and each new bit of intelligence is important. >> thank you very much, jim sciutto. and i want to go "outfront" now to democratic senator tim kaine, he sits on the foreign relation committee and he was the 2016 democratic vice presidential nominee. thank you for coming on the program tonight. obviously, we have this breaking news. i want to ask you about what's
happening here. it's stunning development. the leaker herself of this top secret nsa report, she admits that she did it. she's under arrest tonight. should she go to jail? >> well, i don't condone looks by anybody. so there are laws about it. if she has broken laws, she has to suffer the consequences for that. but we also have to get to the bottom of the story, because as you pointed out, erin, there's already been public reporting of the fact that the russians not only invaded the dnc and democratic e-mails, the intelligence community has concluded that they wanted to defeat hillary clinton and elect donald trump. but they also were rummaging around through state boards of elections, the public reporting is that they sucked data on more than 200,000 people out of the illinois state board of elections for example, that they could use to target them with false news stories or other things. so this is all part of a
pattern. somebody who leaks documents against the law has to suffer the consequences. but the american public is entitled to know the degree to which russia invaded the election to take the election away from american voters, and whether anybody with the campaign or the transition or the trump administration was working with the russians to sell out the country. we have to get answers to those questions. >> the blog is called the intercept. they're reporting obviously that it came from the nsa. they are noting that the public intelligence assessment of russian hacking that we saw in january, it implicitly said hacking didn't impact the vote count. but this new document it has new information recently acquired that specifically says hackers attacked the voter registration process. senator, when you hear that, do you think the vote count could have been affected by the russians? >> oh, i definitely think so.
let's just make a distinction here. i don't think anybody has suggested that the actual tallies on the machines were affected, although that's certainly something we should look at. but i haven't heard anybody suggest there's evidence that that occurred. but when the combined weight of the intelligence committees say that russia was engaging in a wide ranging pattern of action to affect the election, to say we can determine that there was no effect, you would be foolish to say that. especially when you add to the leaking of information the fact that they were sucking data about individuals outside of state boards of elections. again, that is all publicly reported material that i'm giving you. so look, they intended to affect the outcome. we have to get to the bottom of everything they did, so we can protect future elections. we have to understand -- >> so you're not concerned -- you're saying that they could have -- by getting this
information, people's e-mails, they could have swayed individual votes, but you are not at this point, even with this new information, concerned that vote tallies could have been impacted, that they were looking at voter registration? >> i think the right way to say it is, i have no evidence to suggest that the tallies of the votes were affected by what russia did. but we have to get to the bottom of it. we are in the middle of an espionage investigation that's what this week is about with the comey testimony. >> yes. >> there are investigations, the special prosecutor and the senate intelligence investigation go to incredibly important issues, potential obstruction of justice, potential espionage, potential treason, potential conflicts of interest and financial improprie improprieties, potential to report purgery. all these impare implicated in investigation. this is deadly serious, and it's
ultimately about whether people tried to hijack the american democracy away from the american voters. >> i know you said that the leaker in this case, this young woman from georgia, should suffer the consequences for what she did. but in the past few weeks, we have learned crucial information relevant to the investigation into russia and the trump campaign thanks to leakers. things like the fact that jim comey kept memos of his meetings with the president. the fact that jared kushner is under scrutiny by the fbi, thanks to a leaker. should all those leaker bs prosecuted, too? >> well, i didn't say she should be prosecuted. what i say is there's laws, you have to follow the law, and if she broke the laws she has to suffer the consequences. >> do you think those leakers, they broke laws too, didn't they? >> there should be consequences if you do something wrong. but let's make the bigger point
here, erin. we've got to get to the bottom of this question through the special prosecutor who has significant tools of subpoena to interview witnesses and the senate intelligence investigation. the american public deserves an answer. what did russia do to cyber attack the american election and take it away from the american voters? what did the trump campaign transition and administration do, if anything, too cooperate with them? we have to get people answers to the question. and the other thing i'll say about leaks, i've been a mayor and governor, i've been the head of organizations, i'm the head of a senate office. you get leaks when the organization is not well run. when people have confidence in leadership, you don't have leak problems. when people are really worried about leadership, you do have leak problems. so some of what you see with leaking is a reflection of deep concern within the organization about the administration. and that's a fact and a reality as well that we have to deal with. >> do you have confidence that
we would get the right answer, the fair answer on the russia investigation if not for these leakers? >> erin, i have confidence that we will get that information. i absolutely do. again, there's -- some things that might be improper to do via leak would not be improper to do as a whistleblower in a protected channel. would not be improper to do in terms of providing information to law enforcement officials. for example, there are subpoenas going out from the senate investigation, the special prosecutor has subpoena tools. you can give information in that circumstance. so the bottom line to your question is, i do believe we're going to get to the answer of the question about what russia did and was the trump campaign and administration implicated in it? we'll get to the bottom of it. >> so we'll get to the bottom of it without the leakers and the leakers should pay the consequences for their actions if they're illegal? >> in fact, i have believed we
would get to the bottom of it since the day general flynn resigned. if you look at the facts, we don't need to get into some of the leaks. publicly available facts are intelligence community -- our intense community said the russians made a decision in june or july they wanted to defeat hillary clinton. they reached that conclusion, it's public. president trump stood up at the end of july and said, i edge courage russia to sign -- encourage russia to cyber attack to help me win. >> he said that was a joke about hillary clinton's e-mails. but yes, i know what you're referring to. >> he said it, and he said it right at the time that russia had made the decision to do that. so it was either incredibly lucky guess, or he was aware of what russia was doing. we'll get to the bottom of that. general flynn has to get fired because of misrepresenting his contacts with the russians. attorney general sessions is
caught giving misleading testimony to the senate judiciary committee about misleading contacts with the russians. director comey is asked by the president, is asked by the president to apparently drop the investigation into general flynn regarding the russians. all of these bits of evidence, including this -- >> and you're still waiting to make a conclusion? you're making a good argument for a conclusion for collusion, but you say you're not there. >> you have to be right on this one. when you're talking about obstruction of justice potentially or potential treason, you have to get to the end of the investigation before you reach a conclusion. but the point is, the investigation involves the most serious issues of national security. there's not been anything like this in our country's history. >> senator, thank you very much for your time. >> absolutely. "outfront" next, breaking news. president trump will not block jim comey from testifying. new details tonight on the former fbi director's testimony
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intelligence committee telling cnn the former fbi director will answer all questions in his testimony this week. >> i understand that the special counsel has not fenced him off from the items he intends to testify about. >> that's right. [ inaudible ] >> it's about russia's involvement in our 2016 election, which is the investigation. that does lead into the possibility of collusion. >> all right. that means the scope of this public testimony is much broader than just maemos comey kept of trump. this comes on the heels the president will not try to block the testimony. the white house has waived executive privilege to keep comey from testifying about his private meetings with the president. >> reporter: for congress, it's the hottest question in town, did president trump try to pressure fbi director james
comey to drop the russia probe? and was it obstruction of justice? >> we want to find out what comey was thinking at that time, if he thought it had riz on tse that level of obstruction, and why didn't he act on it. >> reporter: as comey spoke with president trump at least three different times, the president has talked about some of it. >> if it's possible, will you let me know, am i under investigation. he said you are not under investigation. >> reporter: but sources say comey, in his own notes after one such meeting in february, said the president also inquired about the probe into former national security adviser michael flynn. i hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting flynn go, trump allegedly said. he's a good guy. >> i want to know what kind of pressure, appropriate, inappropriate, how many conversations he had with the president about this topic.
>> reporter: the president rejects the whole idea. >> did you at any time urge former fbi director james comey in any way, shape, or form to close or back down the investigation into michael flynn? and also -- >> no. no. next question. >> reporter: complicating the matter, trump's firing of comey and this cryptic tweet when news of comey's notes appeared. james comey better hope there are no tapes of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press. the white house has not said if any tapes exist. >> the president has nothing further to add on that. >> reporter: comey has made it clear he would take seriously any political meddling in the fbi. >> i'm talking about a situation where we were told to stop something for a political reason, that would be a very big deal. it's not happened in my experience. >> reporter: a source close to the former fbi boss tell says felt he had the situation under
control. the same source says comey may testify to congress that everything since those talks suggests a more serious pattern. >> thank you very much. this is obviously going to be one of the most significant hearings in history. joining me now is my panel. chris, let's start with this breaking news. the chairman of the senate intelligence committee, he says nothing is off-limits. that means we're not just going to hear about these memos, which are crucial, but we'll hear from the man that was running it about the entire russia investigation. >> that's right, erin. two big developments today. first, the white house, and to me, politically, they had no other option other than to say that they were going to let james comey testify and not assert executive privilege, it would have been tough. now we get richard burr saying basically this is a free for all. i think, look, what we know from
the friend of jim comey and sources close to comey is, he has been waiting for this moment. now, i don't think you're going to see this sort of hugely theatrical performance by comey. my guess is, he's a private citizen now, my guess is you'll see something similar to what we've seen before. very clear on facts, sort of low key. but he does -- if you talk to anyone who knows him, has a sense for drama. so i don't think he's going to not give us -- there's so many questions. i think he's going to answer them. i don't think he's going to hold back. >> and he wants to. he's made it clear. the leaks were coming from somewhere, guys. and whether that was jim comey himself or someone close to him, he wanted people to know about these memos. john, you were there for the watergate hearings. comey's notes say the president of the united states asked him to stop an investigation. the president, of course, fired
him after that a couple weeks after that. how big is this moment for the russia investigation and the trump campaign? >> i think it's going to be important testimony. i think comey probably, while a committee has nothing on the table, comey has already met with mueller, the special counsel, and he's not going to do anything or say anything that disrupts the criminal prosecutions of investigations under way. so i think he will take some of it off the table, but he will be candid and very open about his direct conversations with the president. i suspect he views it a little differently than the pattern has filled in since his initial conversations. so i think he'll be a good witness. >> this is going to be a crucial moment. obviously, he has to answer a major question, which is if you wrote this down in that first meeting and you felt pressure, why didn't you say something. so he's got to say on some level, these at the beginning,
he thought he had it under control. >> richard burr said that. richard burr was like, i think he would have told me this, during those closed sessions even. so they were taken aback when this news first came out, and they're going to want answers as to why they were blind sided by the news of these memos. one thing we know is that jim comey excels in this kind of environment. he's prepared for this question. and there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that he is. >> and, and, chris, he wants to talk about it. the president recently, the president had to say about jim comey, and he minced no words. here's president trump. >> he's a show boat. he's a grandstander. the fbi has been in turmoil. you know that, i know that. >> he's not going to respond to that obviously directly. but he will perhaps in the way he answers the questions, he wants his side of things out there.
>> well, let's remember, though, we don't have trump's sound on it. he called james comey a nut bag -- >> nutjob, i think. >> nutjob, nutjob. with the russian ambassador and lavrov. so yes, james comey, they're human beings. so yes, months or weeks of watching your character be questioned, watching your image be belittled by donald trump, i do think jim comey wants to tell a story. what i do think will be interesting, erin, comey is going to put some restrictions on himself. even if richard burr says it's all open, jim comey is not going to -- this is not going to be a professional wrestling match, right? this is going to be jim comey to jackie's point, low key demeanor. if he sticks the knife in verbally, it will be low key.
he's going to have just a facts approach. he's been in law enforcement for a very long time. he specified before congress a number of times, so he's ready for it. he's both ready for it and he knows all the lights are on him and he will answer not every question, but golly, give us a lot more clarity about something we still don't have that much clarity about. >> it comes down to the fact that this is the most important moment thus far. we have these memos themselves were crucial. but now we're going to maybe see them. apparently he's going to bring them in the classified forum and he's going to be talking to the public about what happened in that room. and if there is any case for impeachment or no case at all, this day is going to be a big part of that. >> i would agree with that. we are certainly at a fullcrum
point. people are trying to be aware of what this is about. so it does bring up the knowledge level. and we don't know how it will play out. but i suspect there will be some committee battles as well. that tends to happen with a controversial witness like this. so it will be sparks and good theater, as well. >> all i was going to add is he's also -- one thing he's not going to do is do anything to undermine bob mueller's investigation, because not only -- not only because he wouldn't do that, but these two men are very close. >> that's right. putting his own restrictions on himself there. thank you very much to all. of course, that is coming this week. and next, the president goes back to calling his travel ban a travel ban. you know, all people around him say it's not a travel ban, why do you guys persist on calling it a travel ban? because the president of the united states calls it one. and breaking news, the london attackers identified tonight.
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tirade. the president going on the attack in a series of tweets today, attacking the mayor of london just hours after the city's terror attack and attacking his own justice department, trying to make the case for his travel ban. jim acosta is "outfront." >> we will defeat the terrorists. >> reporter: with london still reeling from a terrorist attack, the white house is defending president trump's stinging defeats slamming the city's mayor. asked about the president's tweet, at least seven dead and 48 wounded and the mayor of london says there is no reason to be alarmed. sarah sanders insisted the president did not intentionally mischaracterize the mayor's response to the attack. >> i don't think that's true. >> reporter: listen to the context. the mayor was urging londoners not to be worried. >> londoners will see an increased police presence today and over the course of the next few days. no reason to be alarmed. >> reporter: also in his
response to london, the president renewed his pitch for a ban on travelers coming in from six countries. the same ban that's tied up in courts. the justice department should ask for an expedited hearing for the watered down travel ban and seek a much toucher version, adding people, the lawyers and courtks call it whatever they want. but i'm calling it what it is, a travel ban. the president's use of the term travel ban contradicts his own aide. >> this is not a muslim ban or a travel ban. it's a vetting system to keep america safe. >> sean spicer said it was not a podium ban. is it a travel ban? >> i don't think the president cares what you call it. everybody wants to get into the semantics of it. but the bottom line is, he's trying to protect the citizens of this country. the danger is extremely clear. >> reporter: top white house officials insist the media are too focused on the president's tweets. >> this obsession with covering everything he says on twitter and very little what he does as
president. >> reporter: but counselor to the president kellyanne conway's own husband, who is under consideration for solicitor general, says the tweets may jeopardize the push for the ban. he tweeted -- >> reporter: and as for those tweets from george conway, he did post some other tweets clarifying that he does support the president's policies and the executive order, not to mention his wife. and we should point out the administration did say today that, yes, they are seeking an expedited review of the travel ban at the supreme court. and they're calling it a travel ban. erin? >> paul begala, former counselor to bill clinton and jason miller, advise tore the trump campaign. jason, it is a travel ban. >> well, whatever you call it, the president has the authority
to go and put a temporary travel ban or travel restriction or whatever you want to call it in place when there are abuses going on. six of the last seven presidents have used this exact code to go and implement temporary restrictions. and look, this is part of the reason why president trump won last year, because he's willing to take the tough steps necessary to keep our country safe. while all the folks back on the east coast might be all the belly aching and worried about political correctness, he's taking real steps to try to keep the country safe. i think people outside of the bubble that we're in really appreciate that. >> i can tell you, words matter on some level. i just came back from dubai. when i went to check in, they said do you have a laptop? you know this trump travel ban thing is a big issue. so by the way, conflating travel ban and laptop ban, which is obviously a mistake. but paul, i make this point because the words do matter. and the word "ban" does seem to matter. >> well, it does if the ban is
based on religion. this is what the courts have ruled so far, that rather than putting national security first, the president, his policies, the fourth circuit, not a liberal circuit, not a left wing part of america, they ruled that the president's policies, and i'm quoting the court here, drip with intolerance, and discrimination. so when the president then tweets this, he's revealing himself to be pursuing a policy that is not constitutional, because it's based on religious bigotry, not national security. he has undermined himself. george conway is right about this legally, and the president has hurt himself on this. >> jason, you may say that words don't matter on travel ban, but what does matter, as i think paul point out, is the ban intended to block a religion.
the president is making the argument it does not. but here are his own words. here he is. >> many refer to it as a travel ban. we've always looked at it as a pause. >> these seven countries, what about the 46 majority muslim countries that are not included? right there it undercuts this nonsense it is a muslim ban. >> it's not a muslim ban, it's a vetting system to keep america safe, that's it, plain and simple. >> not the sound bite i thought it was going to be. but jason, let me give you a chance to respond, because this is on the point of the word "ban" matters. those are advisers to the president saying it's not a travel ban, it's not a travel ban. they think those words matter. he now says it is. >> the words that really matter here is the u.s. code that i referenced earlier that clearly gives the president permission to do this. when it goes up to the supreme court, they're going to rule in the president's favor on this. this goes back to the point, the seven countries that were
identified here on this initial request, they were -- the obama administration had identified them as well. so i think the president taking real steps to keep us safe is big. we look at these recent terror attacks we're seeing in the uk. we need to make sure that's not happening here at home. i think there's a major disconnect between some folks in the media and on the left who want to complain about it here, and the way that people outside of this bubble viewed the issue, which is someone has to step up and keep us safe. and the president is doing that. >> paul begala, to jason's point, i will say i know of at least one middle eastern country that basically they have a ban on the same countries. now, they don't publicly talk about it, because they think that would be politically not start to do, but they will add mitt they also ban those countries. this is a muslim country banning those other muslim countries. does that take some of the argument away from trump? >> the question is, is the
president pursuing a policy of religious discrimination. my question is, why tweet those things about london as if it supports your travel ban? what we know in the early reporting is that one of the terrorists was from pakistan. the other, they're describing as a moroccan libyan. pakistan is not on the list. morocco is not on the list. libya is on the list. but it's not about those six countries for donald trump. i suspect if he was interested in security, by god, the 19 hijackers, who committed the 9/11 terrorism, were from saudi arabia. that's not what this is about. this is -- one thing those six countries have in common, none of them have trump properties. so if you're a muslim country like turkey, you have a trump property. >> jason, did the president not mean it when he said in an interview, i think islam hates us? >> i think the president has come back and addressed that a number of times when he talks
about radical islamist who definitely hate western culture, the united states. and look, these attacks that we're seeing, it's very clear that there is a, you know, a system that's being put in place where they want to attack us and destroy our way of life. again, i think people are glad that the president is stepping up here. >> thank you both very much. "outfront" next, breaking news from london about who carried out the terror attacks. we're learning many new details tonight. and trump's travel ban. is it actually hurting his bottom line in some of those places? we'll be right back.
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breaking news. two of the men behind saturday's horrific terror attack identified at this hour. khuram shazad butt was born in pakistan. rachid redouane is the other. he claimed to be moroccan and libyan. the third attacker has been identified but at this hour his name has not been released. the terrorist killed seven people, wounding 48 more, standing people inside restaurants and cafes nearby. "outfront" now, former supremed allied commander of nato. i really appreciate you being here. you're also author of a new book
"the history and geopolitics of the world's oceans." the uk was on high alert. they had a day or two before pulled that back down just one notch. but this happened in a country that was expecting this to happen. will there be more attacks like this? >> of course there will. our problem is we are focused too much on defense. that's a good thing, we want to defend and do what we need to internationally, private, public. we have to play defense. but we have to get at the causes here. that requires both hard power, mosul, raqqah, and soft power, to we undermine the jihadi message. we have to do more on both sides, but we lose sight of going after the problem, treating only the symptoms. >> so the president slammed the mayor of london in a tweet. and the president wrote, in part, pathetic excuse by the london mayor who had to think
fast on his no reason to be alarmed statement. and he's referring to the fact that the mayor told citizens not to be alarmed about the increased police presence. you wrote about the president, he would seemingly have us turn our backs on the larger world. we build walls of protectionism, construct a physical wall between the u.s. and mexico, and repudiate our linkages with allies around the world. he just had a big foreign trip, and then we have this event in london and he comes out with a tweet like this. how do you see his rhetoric now? >> i think it's deeply unfortunate when we push away someone like the mayor of london, who is exactly we want to get into this program. we need those kind of voices. so the idea that we would twist his words, push him away, try and separate ourselves from him, huge mistake on our part.
we need international cooperation, interagency cooperation, get the private sector involved and recognize that going after terrorism is a team sport. >> we are now facing a diplomatic crisis in the middle east, and a possible question mark about u.s. policy that could be one of the biggest shifts in a decade. a u.s. official said a lot of qatari behavior is quite worrisome. this includes supporting groups like hamas. we reported two years ago about qatari citizens funding a terror group linked to al qaeda or isis. the u.s. looked the other way on all of this for a long time, and sit in no small part because we have the largest base in the middle east there, a base where the united states has access to do whatever it wants to do. i just came back from the middle east today. i can report they would love to take as many of those troops as
possible. they would do it on the same terms. if the united states did that, that would be a huge move. >> it would, and i think it would be a mistake. we need to keep the qataris on side here. so what we are -- >> even with these links to terrorism? >> absolutely, absolutely. what we need to do is hold them accountable, use the saudis, use the uae, use that information to go to the qataris and say this is unacceptable. but the idea that somehow we're going to pull out of qatar, even with the attractiveness of going to the uae, we have -- we split our forces there between bahrain, and qatari where we have our air base. we don't want to put our eggs in one basket. we want to be diversified and we want a unified front. >> even with the links to terror funding, it is -- the united states should still continue to put resources and money in that country? >> i think we should.
we should criticize and correct in private, but continue to try to work in the public. but there are terrorist concerns coming out of saudi arabia understand the uae. this is not unique to qatar. so let's build unity of effort to deal with iran. >> thank you so much. "outfront" next, a new chain of trurp h trump hotels. wait till you hear about the new deal. and jeanne moos has a great donald trump story. believe me. for 10 years my tempur-pedic has adapted to my weight and shape. so i sleep deeply and wake up ready to perform. now through june 11th, save $600 when you buy select tempur-pedic adjustable mattress sets. find your exclusive retailer at tempurpedic.com.
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but unfortunately, sometimes, you know, what people don't understand is we as muslims and arabs in the middle east, we are the closest to the horrible stuff that is going on. we are the people who know what's best. and we are the people who are really so concerned about it. so, unfortunately, some of our muslim brothers and sisters, they cause some of these issues. now, what is the right way to deal with it? i would stop anybody from coming and hurting my family. how to do that? i have no idea. >> but you understand where he's coming from? >> i understand where he's coming from, yes. >> are there any people, muslims or arabs who are saying, wait, instead of investing in the united states or going to the united states, they would, for example, come to dubai? is any of that happening or you haven't seen it? >> i think at the early part of the presidency, there was talk. i think that died down. >> so it was talk, not action. >> well, the serious guys who invest, i don't know if it has
changed anything. if you're a tourist, you probably worry about it. but the big investors, i don't think that's changed anything. >> so trump's sons are actually continuing to build golf courses here, golf course developments in dubai. they're a partner in them. is the trump brand working here in dubai right now? >> i didn't think the trump brand was working previously and i don't think it's working now. because i don't think in this part of the world, people associate trump brand with real estate or let me go buy real estate, my humble views. >> so it -- because you know him, and obviously, you and he had discussed partnering. you decided not to. and one of the things you told me about that, you said, the donald, that they know here in the middle east is a disney donald, right? donald duck. it's not a name, donald trump. obviously, he's now president of the united states. do people want to be associated with that brand anymore than they did? or have things like the travel
ban made it something they want to be associated with less? >> well, i think common sense, when muslims talk about travel ban and an association of trump and then let's go do business with a trump real estate brand, i don't think they work together, to be honest. >> in terms of the united states' leadership of the world, has that changed? president obama was criticized because people said he was no longer present in the way that america had been before. now president trump is being criticized, because he is withdrawing from all sorts of agreements and saying the united states is going to go it alone. have you really seen a change, fundamentally, in whether the united states truly is leading? >> i do not follow other items, but if i were to look at the middle east where really everything matters for me, and that's the daily newspaper and the daily media that we follow, it's actually becoming the opposite. where there is an engagement
from the u.s. >> so you feel a positive change? >> absolutely. anybody who comes in and says, listen, i want to talk to you and support and you guys are working hard, i want to work with you. you know what, that really makes a lot of sense for all of us. so really, on the region here, there's a positive feel. >> some pretty fascinating comments there. we're going to have a lot more of that interview later this week. and "outfront" next, jeanne moos on donald trump's obsessive belief in certain words. >> nobody builds watlls better that be me, believe me. why give it headlights like jewels? a body that feels sculpted? why give it an interior where even the dash is cut and sewn by hand? it's simple: you can build a car. or you can build a cadillac.
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president trump is a big believer in two very specific words. here's jeanne moos. >> reporter: who says president trump isn't a man of deep beliefs? >> believe me. >> reporter: he was deep in "believe mes." >> believe me, we've just begun. >> reporter: dropping five of them -- >> believe me. >> reporter: -- as he announced the u.s. would drop out -- >> believe me. >> reporter: -- of the paris climate accord. >> believe me, this is not what we need. >> reporter: but what's five-in-one speech. >> because, believe me, there's no collusion. >> reporter: when he's been a believer at the rate of two in under ten seconds. >> my total priority, believe me, is the united states of americas. >> reporter: what is trump's usage like compared to other people? >> yeah, trump's usage is off the charts.
>> reporter: linguist tyler snedlen has made charts of trump's usage. >> believe me. believe me. believe me. >> reporter: the linguist tallied trump of 580 occurrences per million words versus a measly 6 for hillary clinton. >> reporter: it seems to me it's a time killer or a time filler, to collect your thoughts. >> you're emphasizing something, but it also lets you play for time. >> reporter: jon stewart has another story. >> nobody says "believe me," unless they are lying. >> reporter: the addiction to sayi ining -- >> believe me. >> reporter: -- is ironic for somebody who's often described -- >> thousands and thousands of people were cheering. >> reporter: -- as having his pants on fire. >> the 2015 politifact of the lie goes to the collective misstatements of donald trump. >> i've had lots of friends tell me that their parents explicitly told them, don't believe anyone who says, believe me. but that doesn't seem to be the
case this is an easy marker of lying. >> nobody builds walls better than me, believe me. >> you don't say, oh, here comes a lie, when he says "believe me"? >> i don't. he's really at his most trumpian when he uses it. >> reporter: you better believe it. jeanne moos, cnn -- >> believe, believe, believe, believe, believe, believe, believe, believe. can you believe it? >> reporter: -- new york. >> thanks for joining us. anderson's next. good evening, thanks for joining us. it is a busy night that begins with breaking news. a leaked nsa noim revealing new details of russian attempts to hack voting software just days before the election. and now the alleged leaker is facing charges. the intercept website broke the story. cnn's jim sciutto has more. he joins us now. so it's not often that an nsa report makes its way into public view. what does it tell us and what doesn't it tell us? >> let's start with what it doesn't tell us. it doesn't tell us that there is hard evidence that russia hacked voter tallies. actually voting counts during the 2016 presideia