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cyber attack on an american voting soft ware supplier. we're go having to more on that in a moment. plus new information on the deadly london terrorist attack. was one of the terrorists hiding in plain site? and it's no surprise when bill maher says something outrages, but has he gone too far? on that 25-year-old federal contractor accused of leaking a top secret document. jim. >> don, first let's talk about this nsa document. it was classified, prepared by the nsa last month and what it focuses on is russian attempts to probe probing cyber attacks during the election. we knew some of this during the election. they had registration rolls, etc., in arizona, illinois.
in florida, this provides more intelligence about those efforts. does not change the intelligence community's assessment but gives more details to probe those voting systems and that by itself is alarming. whether or not it had an impact on the 2016 presidential election. i'm told that russia is certain to attack u.s. elections again. what they learned here, could that help them attack voting systems in elections to come? that's possible. it's adding to their broader intelligence picture. 25-year-old contractor working for the nsa. accessed this classified document, printed it out and shared it with a reporter. that reporter then shared it with another contractor. that then shared it with bosses. they were able to determine it had been printed out because it
had the crease in the image there showing it seemed to have been folded and based on the small number of people that printed out this document were able to find their way back to this leaker. cnn has spoken to her mother there. we know she has a court appointed attorney. don. >> thank you very much. now i want to bring in cnn global affairs analyst dozierer. david, what's your reaction to the breaking news of this federal contractor charged with leaking classified information? >> as a number of people have already said, winner is in big trouble. this is illegal to leak classified information. we don't know yet about her motives and i should say she's innocent until proven guilty. but if this plays out, it's a
really difficult situation. look, journalists are looking for leaks and sources. but that same time everyone agrees that sclaclassified information is to be protected and someone in her position with a clearance. >> or information that is relevant enough to be reported. this nsa report says the hacking in question was the work of russian military intelligence. could this have happened without the it knowledge of president putin? >> probably not. from my understanding, talking to former u.s. intelligence officials, a campaign was decided by the kremlin last spring. it was first in support of donald trump or anyone who might defeat hillary clinton. and then when they realized or thought clinton would win, they
sought to attack her and when donald trump won, they were in a position of what do we do now? but there was a campaign ordered from the kremlin from the top. so this would have been part of that. >> in the past few weeks we have learned critical information from leakers, the fact that jim comey wrote a memo saying the president asked him to end the investigation into general flynn and jared kushner is under investigation for his contacts. should all of these leakers be prosecuted or are some leaks and leakers okay? >> clearly leaking classified information by people with security clearances is illegal. but let me step back from that and say at the end of the day all of the smoke that has surrounded the white house about russia that's now in the hands of various congressional
communities, the fbi, the special prosecutor, the ultimate goal is to find out what happened betweenl russia and individuals in the united states. clearly there's a lot of smoke. nothing's been proven. that is the thing for us to keep our eye on. not as far as what specific committee is ahead of the game or which outlet is reporting what. >> london mayor said the city should not be alarmed by police in the streets. in response at least seven dead and 48 wounded in terror attack. and mayor of london says there is no reason to be alarmed. " "pathetic excuse by london mayor who had to think fast on his no reason to be alarmed statement."
tonight he is responding. let's listen. >> since saturday i've been working with the police, with the emergency services, with the government and others to deal with the horrific attack. i just haven't had the time respond to tweets from donald trump. my position remains the same. i don't think we should run out of the carpet to the president of the u.s.a. in the circumstances where his policies go against everything we stand for. one of the things when you have a special relationship is not -- is no different to when you have a close mate. you stand with them in times of adversity and call them out when they're wrong. >> u.k. should not roll out the red carpet for trump. what's your reaction? >> as a londoner who would have voted for khan if i had been back in the country, i was offended. look, when a city has been hit
hard and people are trying to pull together, the last thing you do is attack the leading city official who is trying to pull everything together. the other thing is there is a large body of research and knowledge that shows somebody like sadiq khan is someone who can lead some of these disgruntled youth types, people drawn to militancy back into the fold of our larger community. so to attack a city official as opposed to attacking the people responsible for the violence, i really didn't get that. and viserraly it's going to leave a mark -- >> and also getting it wrong. it's not actually what the mayor said. >> sorry, kimberley. just quickly. not only did the president in my
mind clearly cherry pick and mischaracterize what mayor khan initially said, but it's not the presidential thing to do in a situation where our closest ally, the mayor of the city that's one of the greatest cities in the world, the capitol of arguably our closest ally is in a crisis and to take issue or shots at him in that situation is not what most americans see in their president. contrast president trump's approach to ariana grande who went to manchester, stood shoaleder to shoulder and said, by her actions, look, we're family, we're here, we're looking forward. we're not backward. she's a pop star. but that was the diplomacy that was missing, i think from the trump administration. >> who knows in this environment she could be secretary of state. it looks personal to him because
khan is london's first muslim mayor and very critical of the president. so it make as president's tweets and words look personal. but i need to move on because of time here. you have new reporting tonight that the white house looked into unilaterally the easing sanctions on russia's oil industry. >> well a top white house official, according to emails i reviewed by the state department had asked the state department wouldn't it be good to lift the russian oil sanctions because wouldn't that help the u.s. economy? and they had to explain to this official no. actually that would hurt the u.s. oil shell industry because keeping russian oil prices low helps the american energy sector. also they had to explain if we
unilaterally lift sanctions, which ally would stand with us again in sanctions with north korea and iran? and why would moscow comply with any of our other requests? this was a snap shot of policy making in march but shows this white house is still tusling with its instinct to improve business with russia and being besiege with accusations they're too close to moscow. >> james comey testifying thursday. we'll be right back. be the you who doesn't cover your moderate to severe plaque psoriasis.
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director james comey set to testify about his conversations with the president. the former fbi director is going to testify on capitol hill on thursday. how big of a moment is this for this trump/russia investigationing? >> i mean i think it's a pretty big moment. i don't expect director comey is going to tell us that much more than we already sort of think we know but even if all he does is confirm what's already been reported out, then in his mind that the president was trying to get him to put the brakes on the
investigation. if we hear that from his mouth, i think that hardens the narrative around these many investigations going on. that doesn't mean that anybody in his circle colluded with russians. that doesn't mean the investigation stopped. that doesn't mean director comey is going to tell us classified information. we've seen him testify enough times before congress to know. >> and the intelligence chief said special counsel mueller has not limited his testimony. so how likely is it that he's going to come out and say more than what we already know? >> you've got to remember that he's also on trial here in that he has testified before congress that he didn't see any sort of attempt to effect the investigation. so now he's going toi have to explain that one way or another. he will confirm that he believed
the president was trying to influence him and we're going to have this country even more divided between those who believe comey and those who believe trump. and in terms of a campaign meant to damage the u.s. democracy, couldn't be better than that. >> and what about getting their agenda across because the director of legislative affairs admitted to reporters that russia investigation, comey's upcoming testimony distracting congress. how big of a problem is this for the white house? >> this is an ongoing problem and i foresee no end to it. president trump has been his own worst enemy when it comes to messaging. there's all this talk about whether sean spicer will continue to give daily briefings, sean huckabee
sanders. whether it's him or sanders or whether the president gives briefings himself. it's like that old movie. the call is coming from inside the house. it's not an external messaging road block or obstacle. it's the president having no discipline, tweeting constantly and not having a core set of believes from which he's working. if barry goldwater and say this is what's passing for conservatism right now? you can't run an operation like this and expect to get big things done. >> i would add it's not the it messenger in this case, it's the person behind the messenger and i feel bad for both sean and sarah every day they go out there. >> when we come back new information on the london terror attack.
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new information on the london bridge terror attack. identifying two of three terrorist attacks. what's the latest on the investigationing to saturday's attack and what are you learning about the attacker? >> it's getting interesting as we're learning more. as you said police have now identified two of the three. the third they have not said who
he is though it's believed they do in fact know who he is. one shazad claim very little known about him. but the other attacker is a 27-year-old british national born in pakistan called khuram butt and he was part of a group of young extremists who were very public, very vocal and their support of isis and this sort of islamist extremists ideology. they fell under the spell called choudary who is a well known hate creature who has been preaching his poisonous message for some time. he was sent to prison in 2016.
but all of this raises the question as to why he wasn't more on the radar of authorities. they knew whool butt was but they're saying we knew he was affiliated with this group but didn't know he was planning an attack. people described him as the quiet one. there was video that came out in the documentary last year called "the jihadists next door." where you see a young man unfurling a black flag which is synonymous with extremists islam. you see him having an alterationing with police. other video has emerged on youtube. similar things. him praying in public and unfurling this black flag once again. so clearly some red flags in terms of why authorities were not keeping a closer eye on him, don. >> thank you, clarissa.
and want to bring in a former department of homeland security official. a former extremists turned counterterrorism operative. author of "undercover jihadi." strong words about plt. mayor khan says the u.s. -- the u.k. should not roll out the red carpet. what's your reaction? >> yeah, well it's very bad to do that to a mayor undergoing a crisis of that magnitude at that time and to say those things. it's just i think everyone across the board understands, i think even the london embassy was tweeting out in support of the mayor and the way he handled it. it's a lesson to be taken. >> what's your reaction? >> it's so embarrassing. it's so horrifying. that less than 48 hours after a significant terrorist attack and
our closest nation and ally, one that has supported us after 9/11, that fought wars with us that we instugated, that it's come down to a fight against the president on twitter and a mayor that by all accounts has done a tremendous job. it's -- i'm -- as you can tell i'm obviously speechless. there are dead londoners because of a terrorist attack and it's sad. >> let's talk about and reported one of the attackers before the attack. >> all the sudden we saw this individual speaking to the kids and speaking to them about islam. and showed them how to pray.
>> so how hard is it to follow up on all of these leads? are authorities overwhelmed? >> yeah, they are. the numbers are too significant in terms of a comthousands at this stage in britain. where this investigation will go now i is a couple questions. how does the three of them meet and this is a coordinated attack. this is not a loan wolf attack. it seems we don't under their ties from a law enforcement perspective the fact they have id'd the third. i don't know what to make of that yet. there is one at least has been reported which is a lesson learned. i'd like us to learn lessons from this casualty. it pires the second of the last three attacks where the community warned law enforcement that there was someone amongst them in their midst that was
worrisome. >> so what happened then? because that old saying figure you see something, say something. >> right. you can't blame a community for having radical elements in its midst and learn the community has come forward. so we've got to get better at having those linkages and requiring the community to come forward when they have information but also not to be ignored. i think that's going to be one big take away from this investigation. >> it's the third attack in the uk in three months and as juliet said maybe two of the last three where there were possibly warnings from members in the community. what do you think is happening here? >> you know, it's a very good plan. yet aagain another attacker going to the police recorded by the muslim community and we read about it in the paper.
people keep asking muslims don't do enough. i was a spy. there were a thousand members who were muslim. we do a lot. of course the community doesn't get a free hand. in terms of warning signs, the british police are dealing with barking dogs that don't bite and dogs that don't bark but do bite. how do you tell the difference? ultimately 24/7 surveillance is the only way to do that and that's not the kind of way most people want to live. >> why is this happening? >> is flat me? >> yeah. >> yes. >> well, it's ramadan. isis has encouraged its members to up their attacks. i'm expecting another attack in the last 10 days. a night of power. most muslims are praying for
mercy from god, of course isis is praying for the opposite. this is why we're seeing this uptick. it's a are esu. >> i want to ask you about this young lady tonight accused of leaking information, classified information. what do you make of this storsny she is in a heap of trouble? a contractor charged with leaking this informationing to a media outlet? >> yeah. and it was an odd media out tloot choose, givingen that they have a track record in terms of some of these issues. i think she is in big trouble. i don't approve of it and my fear is we might be reading too much into what in fact was disclosed. my understanding of it, at least as reported here and in the news
clips so far is that there still is no proof the russians actually altered or changed votes. look, the russia/trump thing is a big deal but if people start to think it was something that it wasn't, the investigation might be undermined. so everyone take a deep breath. the nsa document does not say there was proof of changes in votings. keep the facts coming out and they will come out on wednesday with some testimony as well as on thursday with comey and focus on that rather than rampant speculation about possibilities that the russians actually changed votes in favor of trump. >> thank you both. when we come back how brutal civil war led to the birth of isis. termites, feasting on homes 24/7.
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a new documentary called hell on earth explores the brutal civil war in syria and how the t led to the birth of isis. thank you so much for joining me. sebastian, i'm going to start with you. what was important -- why did you want to tell the story? >> i've been covering the civil war since bosnia in the early '90s. we wanted to make a film that explained the mechanism of a civil war. how perfectly good people can be dragged in to the civil war and there's really no escape. we wanted to explain how that happened and how isis came out of this.
>> you wanted to do this from the very beginning. you don't just come in from a certain point. >> yeah. the civil war started as protested by civilians asking for democratic reforms. something any reasonable human being would want for themselves and their family. and those demands were met with machine gun fire in the streets. >> i think it's important to say that so much of the documentary is told from people living. i want to share this very poignant moment with you.
still give them a child hood. what did you want people to know from that? >> we want people to understand in the same situation most people would do the same things that they did. that they would try to live where they were being bombed, where they try to escape to a man beach where we first made contact and then after that, escape to turkey. we managed to get the camera to them in man beach and they documented their whole journey through the various front lines to the boarder with turkey and crossed into turkey in about january last year. >> so january of 2016 they crossed. is that the last you've heard of them? >> i came and met them in southern turkey. and we followed them all the way to trying to cross into greece on a raft. >> do you know where they are now? >> they're doing okay.
>> is it a choice between assad and isis? is that a choice? >> isis is going to get wiped out. and assad, as long as russians backing him. i think eventually you're going to have a defacto country with isis in power. >> why do you say that? why do -- >> i mean ice has a huge array of military forces against the them and very steadily losing territory and revenue. it's all sort of collapsing. and i think eventually the clock is going to run out on isis. >> in a round about way is russia propping up isis? >> not propping up isis. this is what they're doing. asaud needed isis so that the west wouldn't arm the syrian army, which are reasonable people.
so they kept them from supporting a democratic movement and the russians are supporting assad. >> let's talk about a travel ban. "the lawyers and the courts can call it what they want but i'm calling it what it is a travel ban." how are these tweets, executive orders received by the families you've worked with? >> it's not a direct effect to the family we worked with. they were directly effected by the eu/turkey agreement. anytime there's a unilateral ban you're sending the wrong message to people being displaced by war. >> these battles are not always won and lost on the battle field. how would you advise the president of the united states? >> we can win any battle on the ground. what's harder and more important
is to win an ideological fight. my father is a war refugee. this country, america, is a beacon of light for a lot of popal in the world and when you talk about a travel ban, you're talking about children like that. those are the people being excluded from this country. we -- this country has not been attacked by people who have come over here but people who live in this country have not attacked us from other countries, right? >> you wrote in an article that says how donald trump could stop being a coward. is that what you mean? >> he's a coward in the sense that he's a bully. and he prays on the powerless and my point is that i think that cowardess comes from i think a lot of abuse when he was a child. the opposite of being a bully is
a protector. he could do what america's always done and stand up for vulnerable in the world. >> thank you. documentary's fascinating. thank you for doing it. it's called "hell on earth. the falloff syria and the rise of isis." it airs on sunday on the national geographic channel. so we can detect leaks before humans can see them. because safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better. listen up, heart disease.) you too, unnecessary er visits.
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were, you're about to hear that word itself in this discussion with my guests, no beeping, no beating around the bush. joining me now is my panel. good evening, gentlemen. so glad to have you on. bakari, bill maher got in trouble saying that word. we'll play it and then talk about it. >> got to get to nebraska more. >> you're welcome. we would love to have you work in the fields with us. >> work in the fields? >> that's part of -- >> i'm a noushouse nigga. it's a joke. >> what do you think, bakari? >> i don't think it's a joke. i think it's vile and despicable. i think if we're going to talk about or he wants to be self-deprecating and talk about a house nigger, we need to say
what that is. that brings back images of slaves having their way with individuals in their homes. raping and beating and pillaging black bodies. so bill maher or anybody else wants to talk about a house nigger, it's fair that we describe what that was and what that time in our history was, so that people understand the pain that goes along with that term. so i didn't find it to be funny at all. in fact, i found that to be rude and disrespectful. but even more, i found it to be a teaching foem ining moment. >> does it make a difference that it's nigga or nigger and he was referencing himself and not somebody else? >> first of all, there is no historical etymology of house "n" word with the "a" at the end. what he's just done is doubly offensive. he's comparing himself to a house slave. this is a rich white man who is
essentially saying yeah, i am a house slave. and then he uses that word, which is historically obscene. but by referring to an enslaved person in the house, he's then essentially calling that house slave that word. so he's using it in a way that's historically problematic and it's absurd. it doesn't matter he tried to make it the "a" word ending, because everybody knows what he's talking about. i don't see anyone person for a white person to audiblize this word. it does not have a mixed history in our mouth. what everyone says about whether black folks should use a version of the word, that's a black discussion. >> scott, he quickly apologized. he apologized the next day and said friday nights are always my worst night of sleep, because i'm up reflecting on the things
i should or shouldn't have said. he said he regrets the word he used. the word was offensive and i regret saying it and i'm sorry. he rarely apologizes. is that enough, scott? >> you know, i don't think it is. i agreed with hbo's statement. they called what he did inexcusable. but hbo, you said it was inexcusable, but now he's going back on the air friday night. he's not been suspended or fired. there apparently is no punishment for this. i whole heartedly agree this was inexcusable and the liberal imlum nati is too important for the resistance. and i can't believe they're putting him back on the air. >> do you think it's that or because of the terror attack it received less coverage? >> i think it's shallow to say this is a partisan argument,
because it's not. we don't need to go down that rabbit hole. the fact is, be white, black, hispanic, green, blue, libertarian, if you utilize this word, if you say nigga, you're going to have problems and repercussions. even though he used it in a self-defecating form, it's still despicable, because he apparently doesn't understand the meaning or the history of the word. this isn't partisan at all. this isn't a double standard people are trying to make it out to be. >> there are liberals calling for him to be disciplined, as well. >> this is the ignorance that is the epitome that is at the root of this discussion that we have about race. this is nothing more and nothing less than a very difficult discussion that we have to have in this country. >> yeah. ben sass, a lot of people brought up ben sass looking slightly uncomfortable. there he is, looking slightly uncomfortable. he didn't express regret or he
didn't really respond verbally in the moment. and listen, i think it's -- people are condemning him, he didn't condemn it. i think that was bill maher's moment. it wasn't up for ben sass to respond. it was bill maher's show. i hate that word but i don't know how i would react to it. my stance on the word is it should be used officially. journalists should be able to use it. if you come on and say bill maher and say house "n" word, and it doesn't have the impact. if someone in a court case says the "n" word, it's not what they said. if you don't understand the impact of that word, then you shouldn't be using it. if you do understand the impact of the word, then you probably
should not be using it. so i don't like it in music. i know it's different in art. i'm not the word police. that's a very tricky subject. but i don't think that people should just be willy-nilly using that word. and i think sometimes it gives people license to use it. i don't think white people should be using it. i don't like it when anybody uses it. but my question is, what sort of consensus are we going to come to that word? why do we have so many different standards for so many different people. should. we just pretty much one standard, don't use it, unless you have to officially have to, and then we won't have to go through this revery single time. >> the bigger issue is the double standard of history in this country, the history of america is the history of a double standard and usually worked to the benefit of white folks like bill maher and myself. and the bigger issue is how do we address that double standard.
and the fact that there are white people in this country who whine and complain about not being able to use this word. >> why would they even want to? >> right. and as i said on your show before, if your biggest problem in life is not being able to use that word openly, your life is sweet and you demonstrated white privilege better than i ever could. >> quickly, bakari. >> i want to issue a psa really quickly. there is a very unsettled relationship with this word in the black community. however, that is settled in the white community. white people do not need to say the word nigger ever. >> okay. here's the thing. we say that we're taking back that word, obviously it causes so much pain, that hasn't worked yet. my stance is that we shouldn't -- we have given that word away, and the cost was too high for that word. don't give it away. don't think you're taking back
good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin with breaking news. a leaked nsa memo revealing new russian attempts to hack voting software days before the election. jim sciutto has more. so it's not often that an nsa report makes its way into public view. what does it tell us and what doesn't it tell us? >> it doesn't tell us that there is hard evidence that russia hacked voter tallies, actually voting counts during the 2016 presidential election. what it does, and this is a classified report, dated just a few weeks ago, may 2017, it gives more details of russian probing attacks of