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outrageous, but has he gone too far this time? we'll discuss that. i want to get right to our latest on that breaking news on that 25-year-old federal contractor accused of leaking a top secret document. jim sciutto has more on that. jim. >> don, first let's talk about this nsa document. it was classified, prepared by the nsa last month and what it focuses on is russian attempts to probe probing cyber attacks during the election. we knew some of this during the election. they had registration rolls, etc., in arizona, illinois. in florida, this provides more details, more intelligence about those efforts. does not change the intelligence community's assessment that russia did not change voter tallying, but gives more details to probe those voting system
wheres and that by itself is alarming. whether or not it had an impact on the 2016 presidential election, i'm told consistently by officials that russia is certain to attack u.s. elections again. what they learned here, could that help them attack voting systemess in elections to come, 2018, 20/20? it's possible. it's adding to their broader intelligence picture. 25-year-old contractor working for the nsa. accessed this classified document, printed it out and shared it with a reporter. that reporter then shared it with another contractor. that contractor shared with bosses. they were able to look at that image on the document, determined it had been printed out because it had a crease in the image there showing that it seemed to have been folded. and then based on the small number of people that printed out this documentwer were able to find their way back to this
leaker. cnn has spoken to her mother there. we know she has a court appointed attorney. but facing serious charges going forward. don. >> thank you very much. now i want to bring in cnn global affairs analyst dozierer. david, what's your reaction to the breaking news of this federal contractor charged with leaking classified information? >> well, don, as a number of people have already said tonight, winner is in big trouble. this is illegal to leak classified information. we don't know yet about her motives and i should say she's innocent until proven guilty. i think that's important to state. but if this plays out, as it's been reported so far, it's a really difficult situation. i don't want to be a hip krt as a journalist and say journalists are looking for leaks and looking for sources, but at the same time everyone on all sides agrees that classified information is supposed to be protected. and someone in her position with a clearance is not supposed to leak it.
>>. >> i think you're correct on that. kim, this nsa report says that had hacking in question was the work of russian military intelligence. could this have happened without the knowledge of president putin? >> probably not. from my understanding, talking to former u.s. intelligence officials, a campaign was decided by the kremlin last spring. it was first in support of donald trump or anyone who might defeat hillary clinton. and then when they realized or thought clinton would win, they sought to attack her and when donald trump won, moskow was sort of in a position of what do we do now? but there was a campaign ordered from the kremlin from the top. so this would have been part of that. >> so, david, we talked about the leaks and the leakers but in
the past few weeks we have learned critical information from the leakers. the fact that james comey asked him to end the investigation into general flynn. and jared kushner is under scrutiny for the fbi in the russia contacts. should all of these leakers be prosecuted or are some leaks and leakers okay? >> clearly leaking classified information by people with security clearances is illegal. but let me step back from that and just say, look whereby at the end of the day all of this smoke that has surrounded this white house about russia that's now in the hands of various congressional committees, that's in the hands of the fbi, that's in the hands of the special prosecutor, the ultimate goal in this is to find out what exactly happened between russia and individuals in the united states if anything at all. clearly there's a lot of smoke. nothing's been proven.
that is the thing for us to keep our eye on the ball there. not as far as what specific committee is ahead of the game or which outlet is reporting what. >> and it probably has to be judged on an individual basis. so after the horrific attack on the london bridge on saturday, the london mayor said that the city should not be alarmed by police in the streets. in response here's what the president tweeted. at least seven dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and mayor of london says there is no reason to be alarmed. "pathetic excuse by london mayor who had to think fast on his no reason to be alarmed statement." tonight he is responding. let's listen. >> since saturday i've been working with the police, with the emergency services, with the government and others to deal with the horrific attack. i just haven't had the time respond to tweets from donald trump.
>> would you like to state visit to be called off? >> my position remains the same. i don't think we should run out on the carpet to the president of the usa in the circumstances where his policies go against everything we stand for. one of the things when you have a special relationship is not -- is no different to when you have a close mate. you stand with them in times of adversity and call them out when they're wrong. >> u.k. should not roll out the red carpet for trump. what's your reaction, kim? >> well, i've got to say as a londoner who would have voted for sadiq khan if i'd been back in the country, i would have been offended. look, when a city has been hit hard and people are trying to pull together, the last thing you do is attack the leading city official who is trying to pull everything together. the other thing is there is a large body of research and knowledge out there that shows
somebody like sadiq khan who can bridge communities is the person who can lead some of these disgruntled youth types, people drawn to militancy back into the fold of our larger community. so to attack a city official as opposed to attacking the people responsible for the violence, i really didn't get that. and viserally, i think it's going to be leave a mark for a lot of londoners. >> and also getting it wrong. it's not actually what the mayor said. >> yeah, don -- oh, sorry kimberley. don, just quickly. not only did the president in my mind clearly cherry pick and mischaracterize what mayor khan initially said, but it's not the presidential thing to do in a situation where our closest ally, the mayor of the city that's one of the greatest cities in the world, the capitol of arguably our closest ally is
in a crisis and to take issue or shots at him in that situation is not, i think, what most americans see in their president. contrast president trump's approach to the approach of ariana grande who went to manchester, stood shoulder to shoulder with brits and basically said by her actions, look, we're family. we're here, we're looking forward, not backward. she's a pop star. she's not going to be the next secretary of state. but that was the diplomacy that was missing, i think from the trump administration. >> who knows in this environment she could be secretary of state. you never know with that future. but it also looks personal to him because sadiq khan is london's first muslim mayor and very critical of the president. so it make as president's tweets and words look personal. but i need to move on because of
time here. you have new reporting tonight that the white house looked into unilaterally easing sanctions on russia's oil industry even after general flynn was fired. what can you tell us about that? >> well, a top white house official according to some e-mails i had reviewed by the state department had asked the state department wouldn't it be good to lift the russian oil sanctions because wouldn't that help the u.s. economy? and they had to the explain to that official, no, actually that would hurt the u.s. oil shell industry, because keeping the prices low helps the energy american sector. also they had to explain if we unilaterally lift sanctions, which ally would stand with us again in sanctions with north korea and iran? and why would moscow comply with any of our other requests if we lift these sanctions without
fired fbi director james comey set to testify in the in the senate on thursday about his conversations with the president. back with me kim doegser and david. the former fbi director is going to testify on capitol hill on thursday. how big of a moment is this for this trump/russia investigation? >> i mean i think it's a pretty big moment. i don't expect director comey is going to tell us that much more
than what we already sort of think we know. but even if all the he does is confirm what's already been reported out, then in his mind that the president was trying to get him to put the brakes on the investigation. if we hear that from his mouth, i think that hardens the narrative around these many investigations going on. that doesn't mean there's evidence that the president or anyone in his circle colluded with russians. that doesn't mean the investigation stopped. that doesn't mean director comey is going to tell us classified information. i think we should expect him to speak pretty directly. we've seen him testify enough times before congress to know. >> and the intelligence chief said special counsel mueller has not limited his testimony. so how likely is it that he's going to come out and say more than what we already know? >> well, you've got to remember that he is also on trial here in that he has testified before
congress that he didn't see any sort of attempt to affect the investigation. so now he's going to have to explain that one way or another. i'm worried about he will confirm that he believed the president was trying to influence him, and we're going to have this country even more divided between those who believe comey and those who believe trump. and in terms of a campaign meant to damage the u.s. democracy, couldn't be better than that. >> and what about getting their agenda across, the trump administration, because mark shore admitted to reporters tonight that the russia investigation, comey's upcoming testimony distracting congress. how big of a problem is this for the white house? >> this is an ongoing problem and i foresee no end to it. president trump has been his own
worst enemy when it comes to messaging. there's all this talk right now about whether sean spicer will continue to give daily briefings or sarah huckabee sanders. >> where is sean spicer today? >> whether it's him or sanders or whether the president gives briefings himself. it's like that old movie. the call is coming from inside the house. it's not an external messaging road block or obstacle. it's the president having no discipline, tweeting constantly and not having a core set of believes from which he's working. if bury goldwater were alive today he'd say this is what's passing for conservativism right now? you can't run an operation like this and expect to get big things done. >> i would add it's not the it messenger in this case, it's the person behind the messenger and
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new information on the london bridge terror attack. identifying two of three terrorists behind saturday night's assault that killed seven and woonded dozens. terrorist attacks. what's the latest on the investigation to saturday's attack and what are you learning about the attacker? >> well, the investigation is starting to get a little more interesting, don, as we're learning a bit more about who these attacksers actually were. as you said, police have now identified two of the three. the thud they still have not said who he is, though it is believed they do in fact know who he is. one of the attackers is known as husheed redouane. very little known about him. only that he claimed before he
was of murock kn or libyan assent. but the other attacker is a 27-year-old british national born in pakistan called khuram butt and he was part of a group of young extremists who were very public, very vocal and their support of isis and this support of islamist exthemest ideology. they fell under the spell called choudary who is a well known hate preacher here in the united kingdom who has been preaching his poisonous message for quite some time. he was sent to prison in 2016. but all of this raises the question as to why he wasn't more on the radar of authorities. they certainly knew who khuram butt was, but they're saying we
knew he was affiliated with this group but didn't know he was planning an attack. people described him as the quiet one. there was video that came out in the documentary last year called "the jihadists next door." where you actually see this young man unfurling a black flag, which is synonymous with extremist islam. you see him having an alt arication with police. other video has emerged on youtube. similar things. him praying in public and unfurling this black flag once again. so clearly some red flags in terms of why authorities were not keeping a closer eye on him, don. >> clarissa ward in london for us this evening. thank you, clarissa. and want to bring in a former department of homeland security official. a former extremists turned counterterrorism operative. author of "undercover jihadi."
strong words about president trump. mayor khan says the u.s. -- the u.k. should not roll out the red carpet for trump. what's your reaction? >> yeah, well, it's very bad to do that to a mayor who's undergoing a crisis of that magnitude at that time. and to say those things, i think everybody across the board understands, i think even the london embassy was tweeting out in support of the mayor and the way he handled it. it's a lesson to be taken. >> what's your reaction? >> it's so embarrassing. it's so horrifying. that less than 48 hours after a significant terrorist attack and our closest nation and ally, one that has supported us after 9/11, that fought wars with us that we instigated, that it's come down to a fight between the president on twitter and a mayor who by all accounts has done a
tremendous job in bringing a city that has been under stress for the last couple of months -- it's just -- as you can tell, i'm obviously speechless. look, there are dead londoners because of the terrorist attack. and that's what we should be talking about. it's sad. >> let's talk about the attackers now. i want you to listen to this woman who believes she recorded one of these attackers during the attack. >> we saw this individual speaking to the kids and speaking to them about islam and showed them how to pray. >> so, jillion, how hard is it to follow up on all these leads? are authorities overwhelmed? >> yeah, they are.
the numbers are too significant in terms of a couple thousand at this stage in britain. where this investigation will go now, i have a couple of questions. how do the three of them meet and this is a coordinated attack. this is not a lone wolf attack. it seems we don't under their ties from a law enforcement perspective the fact they have id'd the third. i don't know what to make of that yet. there is one at least has been reported which is a lesson learned. i'd like us to learn lessons from these tragedies. it appears the may be the second of these last three attacks where the community itself has warned law enforcement there is someone amongst them in their midst that was worrisome. >> so what happened then, because of all that if you see something, say something. ? >> right.
you can't blame a community for having radical elements in its midst and learn the community has come forward, and then was ignored. so we've got to get better at having those linkages and requiring the community to come forward when they have information but also not to be ignored. i think that's going to be one big take away from this investigation. >> it's the third attack in the uk in three months and as juliet said maybe two of the last three where there were possibly warnings from members in the community, from community members. what do you think is happening here? >> you know, it's a very good point i wanted to reinforce julia made that yet again another attacker reported to the police by the muslim community, and we read about him in the paper. people keep asking muslims don't do enough, we're agents, i was a spy, i infiltrated extremist and terrorist groups. there are police department and
over a,000 of those who are muslim. of course the community doesn't get a free hand. in terms of warning signs, the british police are dealing with barking dogs that don't bite and dogs that don't bark but do bite. how do you tell the difference? ultimately 24/7 surveillance is the only way to do that and that's not the kind of way most people want to live. >> why is this happening, you think, three times in the u.k. and in three months? >> is that for me? >> yeah. >> well, it's ramadan. isis has encouraged its members to up their attacks. i'm expecting another attack in the last den tay days of the fastic month. a night of power. most muslims are praying for mercy from god, of course isis is praying for the opposite. this is why we're seeing this uptick. it's isis excitement to attack
during ramadan. >> i want to ask you about this young lady tonight accused of leaking information, classified information. what do you make of this story? 25 years old, she is in a heap of trouble. her name is reality winner, a contractor charged with leaking this classified information to an online media outlet. >> yeah. and it was an odd media out let to choose given they have a track record in terms of these issues. i think she is in big trouble. i don't approve of it and my fear is we might be reading too much into what in fact was disclosed. my understanding of it, at least as reported here and in the news clips so far is that there still is no proof the russians actually altered or changed votes. look, the russia/trump thing is a big deal but if people start to think it was something that it wasn't, the investigation
might be undermined. so everyone take a deep breath. the nsa document does not say there was proof of changes in votings, and we have to remember that. just keep the facts coming out, and they will come out on wednesday with some testimony as well as on thursday with comey and focus on that rather than rampant speculation about possibilities that the russians changed votes in favor of trump. thank you, both. when we come back how civil wars led to the birth of isis.
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a new documentary called "hell on earth" explores the brutal civil war in syria and how it led the birth of iesds. joining me now are the film's co-producers. thank you so pruch for joining me. sebastian, i'll start with you. what was so important about -- why did you want to tell this story? >> i've been covering the civil war since bosnia in the early '90s. we wanted to make a film that
explained the mechanism of a civil war. how perfectly good people can be dragged in to the civil war and with really no escape. we wanted to explain how that happened and also how isis came out of this. >> you wanted to do this from the very beginning. you don't just come in from a certain point -- you're telling the story from the very beginning. >> yeah. the civil war started as protested by civilians asking for democratic reforms. something any reasonable human being would want for themselves and their family. and those demands were met with machine gun fire in the streets. and that started the war. >> i think it's important to say that so much of the documentary is told from people living. i want to share this very poignant moment with you. here it is.
>> i don't even know what to say because they're children and they have to live with this nightmare every single day and there's the extra burden on the parents to keep them safe and still give them a child hood. what did you want people to know from that? >> el, we want people to understand in the same situation most people would do the same things that they did. that they would try to live where they were being bombed, where they try to escape to a man beach where we first made contact and then after that, escape to turkey. we managed to get the camera to them in man beach and they documented their whole journey through the various front lines to the border with turkey and then crossed into turkey in about january last year. >> okay, so january of 2016 they
crossed. is that the last you've heard of them? >> i came and met them in southern turkey. and we followed them all the way to trying to cross into greece on a raft. >> do you know where they are now? >> they're doing okay. >> in syria, is it a choice between assad and isis. is that the choice? >> isis is going to get wiped out. and assad, as long as russians backing him, he's not going to go anywhere. i think eventually you're going to have a defacto country with isis in power. >> why do you say that? why do -- >> well, i mean isis has a huge array of military forces against them and are very steadily losing tiratory and revenue from oil antiguaties and other sources of revenue. it's all collapsing, and i think eventually the clock is going to run out on isis.
>> in a round about way is russia propping up isis? >> not propping up isis. this is what they're doing. assad needed isis so that the west wouldn't arm the syrian army, which are reasonable people. so they kept them from supporting a democratic movement and the russians are supporting assad. >> let's talk about the travel ban because the president said, the people, the loyers and the courts can call it whatever they want, but i'm calling it what we need is what it is, a travel ban. how are the president's policies, these tweets, executive orders received by the families that you work with? >> it's not a direct effect to the family we worked with. the family we worked with were affected by the eu turkey agreements.
anytime there's a unilateral ban you're sending the wrong message to people being displaced by war. >> these battles are not always won and last on the battlefield. how would you advise the president of the united states? what would you tell him? >> we can win any battle on the ground. what's harder and more important is to win an ideological fight. my father is a war refugee. this country, america, is a beacon of light on a hilltop for a lot of people in the world. and when you talk about a travel ban, you're talking about children like that. those are the people who are being excluded from this country. we -- this country has not been attacked by people who have come over here -- 9/11, of course, but people who live in this country have not attacked us from other countries, right? >> you wrote in an article that says how donald trump could stop being a coward.
is that what you mean by that? >> he's a coward in the sense that he's a bully. and he preys on the powerless. and my point is that i think that cowardice comes from i think a lot of abuse when he was a child. the opposite of being a bully is a protector. he could do what america's always done and stand up for vulnerable in the world and offer them refuge. >> thank you. documentary's fascinating. thank you for doing it. it's called "hell on earth. the fall of you and the rise of isis. it airs on sunday on the national geographic channel.
about to talk about a conversation a lot of people have been having this week. we're talking about bill maher. this time people think he's gone too far, using one of the most controversial words in the english language. just so you're not shocked, like maher's guests and the audience were, you're about to hear that word itself in this discussion with my guests, no beeping, no beating around the bush. joining me now is my panel.
good evening, gentlemen. i'm so glad to have you on. bakari, friday night's hbo show he got into lot of trouble on that show. we'll play it and then talk about it. >> got to get to nebraska more. >> you're welcome. we would love to have you work in the fields with us. >> work in the fields? >> that's part of -- >> senator, i'm a house nigga. it's a joke. >> what do you think, bakari? >> i don't think it's a joke. i think it's vile and despicable. i think if we're going to talk about or he wants to be self-deprecating and talk about a house nigger, we need to say what that is. for me and many people that brings back images of slaves having their way with individuals in their homes, raping and beating and pillaging
black bodies, where they didn't have any work. so bill maher or anybody else wants to talk about a house nigger, it's fair that we describe what that was and what that time in our history was, so that people understand the pain that goes along with that term. so i didn't find it to be funny at all. in fact, i found that to be rude and disrespectful. but even more, i found it to be a teaching moment. >> does it make a difference that it's nigga or nigger and he was referencing himself and not somebody else? >> well, first of all, there is no historical etymology of house "n" word with the "a" at the end. what he's just done is doubly offensive. he's comparing himself to a house slave. this is a rich white man who is essentially saying yeah, i am a house slave. and then he uses that word, which is historically obscene. but by referring to an enslaved
person in the house, he's then essentially calling that house slave that word. so he's using it in a way that's historically problematic and it's absurd. it doesn't matter he tried to make it the "a" word ending, because everybody knows what he's talking about. as i've said on your show before, i just don't see any reason for a white person to oddblize this word. it does not have a mixed history in our mouth. what everyone says about whether black folks should use a version of the word, that's a black discussion. what's the history of that word in our mouths is ambiguous, and he should know that. >> scott, he quickly apologized. he apologized the next day and said friday nights are always my worst night of sleep, because i'm up reflecting on the things i should or shouldn't have said. he said he regrets the word he used. the word was offensive and i regret saying it and i'm sorry. he rarely apologizes. is that enough, scott? >> you know, i don't think it is. i agreed with hbo's statement.
they called what he did inexcusable. but hbo pr department hear me, you said it was inkpusable, but he's going back on the air friday night. he's not been suspended or fired. there apparently is no punishment for this. and whole hardtly agree this was inexcusable and the it's too important for the resistance. and i can't believe they're putting him back on the air. >> do you think it's that or because of the terror attack it received less coverage? >> i think it's shallow to say this is a partisan argument, because it's not. we don't need to go down that rabbit hole. the fact is, be white, black, hispanic, green, blue, democrat, libitarian, if you
utilize this word, if you say it, you're going to have problems and repercussions as such. even though he used it in a self-defecating form, it's still despicable, because he apparently doesn't understand the meaning or the history of the word. this isn't partisan at all. this isn't a double standard people are trying to make it out to be. >> there are liberals calling for him to be disciplined, as well. >> this is the ignorance that is the epitome that is at the root of this discussion that we have about race. this is nothing more and nothing less than a very difficult discussion that we have to have in this country. >> yeah. ben sass, a lot of people brought up ben sass looking slightly uncomfortable. i don't know if we can show it but not listen to it. there it is, looking slightly uncomfortable. he didn't express regret or he didn't really respond verbally in the moment. and listen, i think it's -- people are condemning him, he didn't condemn it. i think that was bill maher's moment.
it wasn't up for ben sass to respond. it was bill maher's show. and i don't know how i would react even as a black person, and i hate that word. i don't know how i would react to it. my stance on the word is it should be used officially. journalists should be able to use it. if you come on tv and say bill maher says the "n" word, and it doesn't have the impact. if someone in a court case says the "n" word, it's not what they said. if you don't understand the impact of that word, then you shouldn't be using it. if you do understand the impact of the word, then you probably should not be using it. so i don't really like it in music. i know it's different in art. i'm not the word police. that's a very tricky subject. but i don't think that people should just be willy-nilly using that word.
and i think sometimes it gives people license to use it. i don't think white people should be using it. i don't like it when anybody uses it. but my question is, what sort of consensus are we going to come to that word? why do we have so many different standards for so many different people? vnt be just say it's pretty much one standard, don't use it unless you have to officially and then we wouldn't have to go through this every single time? >> the bigger issue is the double standard of history in this country, the history of america is the history of a double standard and usually worked to the benefit of white folks like bill maher and myself and the to the development to the people of color. and the bigger issue is how do we address that double standard. and the fact that there are white people in this country who whine and complain about not being able to use this word. >> why would they even want to? >> right. and as i said on your show before, if your biggest problem in life is not being able to use
that word openly, your life is pretty sweet, and you sort of demonstrated white privilege better than i ever could. >> quickly, bakari. >> i want to issue a psa really quickly. there is a very mixed and unsettled relationship with this word in the black community. however, that is settled in the white community. white people do not need to say the word nigger ever. >> okay. here's the thing. we say that we're taking back that word, obviously it causes so much pain, that hasn't worked yet. my stance is that we shouldn't -- we have given that word away, and the cost was too high for that word. don't give it away. don't think you're taking back the word by overusing it or bastardizing it. it's not working. let's just not use the word. thank you all, good night.
it's not a travel ban. it's a get assistance to keep people safe. when you use a travel ban that misrepresents what it is. >> apparently not. president trump's staff is scrambling once again to explain his travel ban. once again, undercutting efforts to get momentum behind his agenda. >> the first since president trump's crack down, a federal contractor used in a hacking. the london's