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predator. that's how i will remember him. i don't know how other people will. as president trump outrages planet earth and americans either cheer or gnash their teeth, tonight i'd like to take you on a road trip across our great political divide. since i'm a mutt raised in states red and blue, i'll drive. the topics are touchy, the guests are brilliant and the tank is full. so jump in i'm bill weir, these are the states of change. i know what you're thinking. what's with the license plate motif and who are you? well, i'm bill and long before traveling the world for cnn i was a kid in milwaukee with a
single mom convinced god spoke to her in dreams and with every dream we would move. i went to 17 schools in six states before leaving them to become a journ a eman reporter and kept moving then. so i have deep roots in both sides of america's cold civil war and watching them rage on facebook i had to hit the road in search of common ground and commonsense and even mom never dreamed i'd be joined by the likes of chris arnaughty, writer, photographer extraordinary, and from the great neighboring state of michigan. thanks for being here. but first won't you please join me on a bitter sweet homecoming. >> a couple years ago i hit the career lottery and then hit the road. cnn sent me all over the world
from iceland to vanue oughtue to see how the most wonderful corners of our planerate changing but i had no idea how much was about to change back home. >> this american carnage stops right here and stops right now. >> while i was out wandering, america replaced more men with more machines, legalized same-sex marriage and legitimized marijuana and those changes would be seismic enough without a nightly drum beat of tension and terror. so while i was visiting far away people who envy americans, so many americans were living in states of fear and anger. >> one of the things everybody missed is the absolute ager that's out here. you don't even have a clue. >> times like these are ripe for
leaders to divide, for citizens to cast their own countryman as us verses them. but our founders built a society where us plus them equals "we the people." and this noble idea is going to survive the divisive age of trump, we the people need to talk to each other. what the hell, i'll go first. i'm from berry land. this is sundra and we are from the same hsing project. >> back in those days, it was everybody. >> we met when i went back the first home i can remember. welcome to berryland on the northwest side of milwaukee. this is veterans administration housing. my single mom and i moved in here when i was tiny boy and it was so much fun. right here i got my first kiss. her name was laura. she was ocly attracted to my
picture day comedy face and we were part of a blue collar melting pot, german, polish, irish, a few african american faces mixed in but in the generations since, the color of that picture has changed. when i told them i was coming back to the neighborhood, they said don't come in the dark. a shockingly segregated city of milwaukee surrounded by the increasingly conservative land up north. my other boyhood home. my mom was a car hop there. you know the waitress on roller skates? they went for regan and bill clinton, obama and romney and i foolishly assume the salt of the earth locales would nervg fall for a brash new york billionaire
like donald trump but he won here in a 2-1 land slide. i thought he was a fool 10 years ago and i still think he's a fool but his policies i tend to agree with. >> really? did you vote for him? >> yes, i did. >> yes, i voted for trump. and yes, i still feel it's change. i didn't want a puppet. i didn't want hillary and the same old everything. i wanted somebody to come in and rattle the cage. >> she understands where retirees and their social security checks makeup half the wealth in tourism. >> they weren't getting loans at banks. all the building came to a halt almost and now it's coming back. >> all this talk about russia? >> no offense to news people, but it seem as lot of hype is going on.
i don't believe in it. what will come out will come out and if it's true, it will come out. >> yes, i'm concerned about rush aa but it's medaling. they've done it all my life, all your life. as far as the election was concern concerned, were they in the voting booth with you? they weren't with me. >> 28% of our students are hispanic. >> the reason? christmas trees. see the sandy soil is perfect for growing pines and for years the back breaking job of trimming them went to local kids but now rilit's all done by guy like chuca. >> i know pretty much everybody in town. >> he crossed the border alone at 14 and never left. do you and your men who work with you worry about being
deported? >> yeah, they worry. they worry. but what are you going to do? >> there are a lot of students who are afraid for their parents, for their relatives on what's going to happen. >> of course you'd be sad for them but they bettenowhe were putting their life on the line with their kids. you come here and you're illegal, you should have thought about that. >> but these folks have been part of the community a long time. but that doesn't matter, huh? >> no. >> if they're minding their pees and cues, they're noti going to be in trouble. >> all politics is local, they say and in a town like this, it's easy to bend the us verses them policies around people you actually know, even easier to tune out the daily news from
washington. >> they don't think about it again from another four years. >> so when he says stuff like my inauguration crowd is the biggest? >> i don't care. it doesn't bother me. if he can do what he says he can do as far as save us money on our contracts, if he can move that tax program along, that's all i care about. >> it's so familiar. >> so this county went for obama the first time? >> uh-huh. >> these are the obama democrats who voted for trump who should be democrats, at least many of them, not all perhaps. but we, democrats did not get how people feel about not being it's not fancy.tly.
it's very basic. people want to have food on the table. they want to have a decent job. they want dignity. their life is fantastic. but they don't want their kids moving away. >> right. >> one thing i certainly learned is that people don't like being told what they should think is important and whether it's climate change and the paris accord but i don't think a lot of people you interviewed are talking about or something else, they don't like being told that their priorities aren't right and they don't like being told they should have this priority or how they should feel about it. and trump really got that, either innately or he figured it out as he went and both parties kind of lost that and certainly the media as well lost that over the course of the past couple of years. >> like i said in the piece i
never would have in a million years thought they would have gone for a guy, as a manhattan guy. you packed it all in, got in your car with a camera and followed poverty maps and addiction map around the country sfwlp i saw exactly the same thing you saw. which is people who are feeling humiliated and looking for a source of pride and people who quite honestly very simple question who feel like their children's life is not going to be better than theirs. a simple question. >> and putting your thumb in the eye of nato and the paris accord feels good in a way. there are people savvy to climate change but that point of pride. >> there's a mistaken belief
that people want the u.s. to be a leader, leader of the globe, right, but they're really patriotic. people lover this country and the idea that somehow that was diminished -- i'll speak for my party. i think we do not wave the flag enough and get people to feel like this is our country, we're proud of our veterans, proud of what's written on the statue of liberty. >> liberals are too innately guilty. >> we should feel like this is our country we should be proud. >> hold that thought. we got to get to break. i want to hear what you have to say about our next guest. you probably heard america's 50 states? well, this next segment is wliek taking a pill in the matrix. an explanation next.
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welcome back to "states of change." we're lost in the confve. and they're still trying to go through the obama repeal and replace. you find these perfect snam shosnap shots that takes it down to the street level. >> he's an indian in lummerten, north carolina, a place that voted for trump after twice voting for obama. he had fallen off the roof working as a roofer and shattered his leg and because he
didn't have health care and working on the side for cash, he went to the emergency room and they did the basic work and then gave him a big bill and told him to see an orthopedic surgeon. >> and we see how the leg is -- >> 10 years later he is effectively disabled. the leg heeled wrong because he didn't get the pins put in and he can't work. i think there's a reality that not having health care is a reality, it just is. you learn to deal with it. you learn to, you know, get around on a broken leg. >> let's pit our liberal and our conservative here on this topic. doyou think health care is a right in the richest nation on earth? >> i do and unfortunately the argument we've all been having for at least a decade isn't
about affordable and accessible health care, it's about making health insurance more accessible and affordable and i'm not s that hits home with people who want better doctors. it isn't responsible to tell voters that we're going to lower your premiums and you can keep your doctor when that's not true and it's not compassionate for them to cut through disabled servi services. we need to have a conversation about what is the most responsible and compassionate way to deliver health care. >> i think you and i could probably caught deal with that kind of language. i do think it's a right in the wealthiest country on the planet and it is -- it's immoral to me that people like teddy and so
many millions of others feel they can't get their broken leg repaired in the right way. especially -- i mean, this is why bernie sanders had -- why can't we have leadership on both sides that says medicare is a plan that everybody loves if they're on it, right? why not lower the age for medicare? why not say for a medicare for all? it might mean you have to pay a little bit more in tax, right? you may have to pay more but you won't have to pay as much to an insurance company. why can't we craft a system like so many other countries? >> i'll tell you why because division is profitable in washington and solving problems elike haake and immigration mean you can't work on a broken system, you can't fund raise on a system of health care that's
working and that's the sad reality and that's what trickles down to the discourse in the country. >> what a perfect segway. hang loose with me one second because i is a guest who wrote a book called "american nations" that made me rethink the map of our country. so like i said, this is like taking a pill in the matrix. these are the lower 48 the way we learned about it in geography class. but you draw our maps according to immigrant streams and the values they brought with them. >> exactly. several americas. we're a collection of regional cultures that ties back to one or anather of the original colonial clusters. >> with very different values and they didn't know they were building one country. they thought they were building their own. i'm from this odd shaped nation
of yankeedom. which includes the liberal northeast and the upper midwest. and they deeply believe we're all in this together. >> the puretens coming to massachusetts bay, and they had a mission to create a more perfect society here on earth and they were going to do it through public institutions and the important thing was that the community succeed in its aims and if there was a conflict, the individual was supposed to stand down. so it's a region that's been comfortable with government. >> but that's completely different from the way the people in greater appalachia jmcolberg.com appalachia think who came and landed in western pennsylvania and spread their way down into texas. this is basically the cast of "brave heart?" >> exactly. the border lands from the
british empire, from scotland and the english marshes. this is a place flat centuries was violent and war torn. few institutions on the ground. so there was personal responsibility and an inemphasi on individual liberty. >> greater aplapalachia jmcolberg.com appalachia -- get out of my land. >> and william pen's colonies and northern new jersey and the key thing with the quakers is unlike the purecons who had a dim view, quakers thought humans are inherently good and one thing that came out was they welcomed people from many religions to their colony. and the idea was you could come and bring your language and
religion whether you amish or germans fleeing the 1848. you'd have a mosaic of people living side by side. >> but a suspicion of government. >> many people came from places where government had been tear anical. >> which makes them great swing states. so these clashing values you can understand somebody yankeedom want single payer, some don't. how does trump play into this? >> it's always been do you go with a candidate about freedom defined in individual terms and less government and less taxes there would be more freedom? or you only can have a free society if you build and invest in the institutions that help us be free and trump had a twist on that. unlike theulger 16 people who
ran in 2016 and unlike anybody who's won the republican nomination in living memory he had a much more communeitarian argument that there's going to be infrastructure spending. >> we're going to not touch your medicaid or medicare. >> government's going to bring back manufacturing and that 1 wrr over many people in the midlands and that was enough to give them margins to win. >> you wrote a follow up called american characr. both sides of this debate were two sides of the same coin and if there were too many folks from yankeedom, we'd turn into -- or we'd turn into north korea. >> if you're going to have a free society, a liberal dem democracy where a goal is to have universal freedom, you need
both things. you need to protect individual liberty and invest in the inf infrastructure that make as free community possible and it's only through that balance you can pull it off. >> i highly recommend it. it makes me want to talk to americans and say what nation are you from and understand them lot more. thank you, sir. aside from our regional differences, we still sort each other by race. i shared a boyhood neighborhood with sheriff david clark. see how his approach to black lives echos the legacy of a law man in my own family. my sweetheart's gone sayonara.
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and live sports on the go. included with xfinity tv. xfinity the future of awesome. welcome back to "states of change" and welcome to a new panel. we have a leader in the black lives matter movement, host of pod save the people. charles ramsey was the police chief in philly and washington d.c. wesley lowry the author of "they can't kill us all" and reporter for the washington post. i hope you'll let me indulge with a story of black and white and blue, police and family. as you saw earlier the first home i can remember is in berryland, a housing project on
the north side of milwaukee, which is also the boyhood home of the most controversial lawman in america. >> blue lives matter in america. >> in his 15 years as the sheriff of milwaukee, david clark has become a political fire brand, darling of conservative talk shows while also coming under fire for a number of inmate deaths in his jail. you know who else is from berryland? sheriff clark? he's saying the welfare state is ultimately holding everybody down. >> he's a moron to the core. to the core. we voted in a moron. >> but you voted for his color. >> yeah. we voted for his color, not for his qualifications because we wanted to see someone that looked like us in a position but all along we never did a
research on his integrity, his motives. we didn't do any of that. >> they also describe a poisonous relationship with milwaukee police. >> this is one of the most rogue police departments in the country. >> my chest tightens because i wonder whether someone important to me helped create this fear and loathing in police. back when i was a bump in mom's belly and their elders marched for fair housing, punches and tear gas, as the sate tried to contain the unrest, the tip of the spear was the notorious tactical squad, led by a cop so controversial, they burned him in effigy and put his face on wanted posters. >> crimes against the people. conspiracy to violate the civil rights of black people, minority groups, general inability to
function as a feeling member of the human race. but while milwaukee knew him as sergeant miller, i knew him as grandpa and i loved him dearly. >> he was intimidating to a lot of people but anybody who got to know him realize he'd basically give the shirt off his back to you. he took his job very son. >> frank's youngest son. >> if you broke the law or committed a crime, he's got a job to do. >> in my grandfather's memorabilia, i find a flip book of mug shots. >> we come out with our minds open and our hearts open. we love everybody. i don't love everybody but when he throw as brick at me, i don't love him, understand? and when he send the wild dogs to bite me, i'm going to cut his
throat. >> i'm old but i'm here. can't complain. >> i feel the same way. he tells me the local paper once dubbed him the angriest young neggro. the u.s. has passed the anger has not. >> as hole, yeah, this picture captures him. as hole. tax squad was asholes incorporat incorporated. >> if you had told me my grandfather was a racist in any way, we would have fought but in hind sight it seems there was an institutional problem and he was part of that system. >> i never got a feeling that was his driving force, a dislike for the black people. but if i look back at 1967 until now ionimproved. >> the irony is i almost feel
like it's come full circle in the life of my career. >> unlike my grandpa, milwaukee's current chief is a scholar of crime and punishment and he argus cops got smarter and kinder and gentler but all that progress and trust was blown to pieces by cell phone videos and social media. >> every year for nine years there have been declines for upsetting behavior. it doesn't matter if i have one controversial shooting that can blow up nine years of restraints of force. it's as though the police are wandering around having fun at the expense of poor people. this is the most real point i can make. as a young cop fresh out of college, the token liberal in jersey city, i saw racism in the police and i saw it expressed as apathy. it was i don't care. turn the siren off, kid.
we'll clean it up. we'll lock up the winner. we're not stopping there, kid. who cares, let them shoot each other. so it's frustrating to me when i see -- and the highest arrest cops have the fewest complaints but once again the police are being used as the political football. >> and cops would say? the reason we're in your neighborhoods, the reason there's so much tension is your young men are killing each other. >> uh-huh. >> over disrespect, over a slight. >> what you're saying is valid and painful because when we marched in civil rights, we did not march for a day when african american men would be killing african american men. there's no way i'm going to defend that. okay. but if you take two tigers and
you put them in a cage and you don't feed them, one of the tigers would feed the other one. milwaukee was one of the most segregated cities in the country and 50 years later, we're still one of the most segregated. even after the open housing demmen strasdem demmen stragzs and the law being passed. yes, there are some african americans who have moved up in society but things have stayed the same. >> that's heart breaking to hear. and on behalf of my family, i'm sorry. >> thank you. because he was ashole. these were the kind of guys we feared would take our lives. i can't take it personal. i understand his position. i don't know if he ever got to the position where he understood
ours. we just wanted equity, we just wanted freedom. >> you laughed at his reaction. a lot of anger there, which is understandable. but what more can we do aside from trying to break the cycle generationally? my grandfather never fired a gun in 25 years and won awards for saving lives so i would like the think he would look back and see how things and times have changed. what more can we do? >> i think protest is telling the idea in public. we stood in the street because it was the only way to get people to listen just like when your grandfather was a police chief. over 500 people have been killed by the police. and third, we know we have to be activists on the inside and outside and people have to run for office, push their local legislators and stay on the
streets to maintain pressure. >> he's been carrying this around and spreading that resentment generationally. >> definitely. sometimes there is this belief that if only it weren't for the cell phone cameras. the reality is there are generations of americans, black americans who know the story of what happened to uncle phil and your brother and cousin and how the kids from high school got harassed or beat up. >> and saying get over it is -- >> right. that rings very hollow and the reality also is sometimes we talk about -- i get this question a lot on people who say -- it's that people who are not being effected previously can see it with their own eyes. walter scott is certainly not the first black man to be shot in the back running away and
communities have been saying tlis to us. us choosing not to listen to them is saying something about where we are. >> do you think your side of criminal justice has reformed more than any other part? >> i agree with it but there's an awful long way to go and one of the things missing in police training is a strong educational component that teaches the history of policing in america so police can understand better where a community that you may not be from, where are they coming from? why is there tension? why do people dislike police? they use the example of milwaukee, who was wait for protesters on what became known as bloody sunday? police. we need understand that if we're going to move forward because history means an awful lot and i think that tension that
continues to exist -- i mean there's a lot of anger in that man that you spoke with because he still has not got over it and certainly it h passed down. but a se point you've got to eakhat cycle. at some point you've got to acknowledge it. but where do we go from here and that's the whole point. >> please stick around. we come back, racist graffiti. more tough questions about how far we've come. stay with us. >> being black in america is tough. and we got a long way to go. little scoundrels. u kn with roundup precision gel®, you can finally banish garden weeds without harming precious plants nearby. so draw the line. just give the stick one click, touch the leaves and the gel stays put killing garden weeds to the root with pinpoint precision. draw the line with roundup precision gel®.
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america is tough. and we got a long way to go for us as a society and for us as african americans until we, until we feel equal. >> back now with my three guests. one of the leaders of black lives matters movement. and wesley lowry. has it gotten worse since the election? >> i think we've seen a definite uptick in racial hate happening across the country. but we're mindful this has been happening for some time. people think the muslim ban is the beginning of racism. we would say it's been going on for a while. i'm sympathetic to thinking police need more training. and i don't know what training you need to not shoot a 15-year-old in the car as it wasn't coming towards you and lie about it. that's not a matter of training. when you look at the homicides
that take place, we have to face the reality of violence. there's no excuse for police officers to use force. that's got to be a last resort. but we also got to understand the environment we operate and not just throw a number throughout without looking behind that number, how many are outside of dallas. and people need to be held accountable. but there are a lot of others. i was police chief in philadelphia for eight years. i had eight officers killed in the line of duty, five of whom were shot to death in the streets of philadelphia in full uniform. >> these are people whose lives, their job to answer the worst moments in human misery. we talked about the things they have to answer. how do you strike a balance?
but if you're boating up on the cops all the time, how do you recruit officers of color? how do you break the cycle of resentment? >> the environment can't be a excuse. think about north charleston, a guy running away from the police gunned down and you shouldn't have to have a video for people to say we should ask more questions. you think about the numbers alone. i don't believe 490 of the people killed by the police this year don't require anymore investigation in those cases. i get it. i get the contextual issues and they probably need more training. this is about a broader conception of safety that doesn't require them to make the community safe. >> but you're also not dealing with the stuff going on there. so it's easy to say i don't believe 490 -- and they're all
well, but there's a lot that goes on out there, deray. i'm not trying to make excuses. the environment is not an excuse but it is a reality. last year, there were 277 murders in philadelphia. we aren't talking about cops shooting anybody. 80% of them african-american. >> the ferguson report, the police that were sicc'ing dogs on people. the doj said this. not deray. >> there are injustices. no question about that. i'm saying we need to avoid the extremes and just looking at those cases which were bad cases. no doubt about it. but then draw a conclusion, that means 90% of the others must be bad. >> i didn't say they must be bad. i'm saying it's worth investigating. you and i, i appreciated your work on the commission but the doj, not me, said if there's deep systemic work to be done in some of our biggest cities. >> they're right. there is a lot of work to be done. so of the issues involved in
policing some of the more violent communities. >> come on, ramsey. >> but nobody should take a life unless it's 100% the last resort. >> let's talk about the general context, the atmosphere in which this happens. why do you think there's a spike in violent crime? you can look at the economics, the new jobs report. unemployment 7.5 for african-americans, 3.7 for whites. how do you account for it? >> the reality is we still live in a segregated nation. most of our major cities are deeply segregated. we have deep economic inequities that break along racial lines. often we like to have this conversation where we say this must be about economics, not about race. we have a long history of trying to convince ourselves of why none of our problems have to do with race. that applies, we have seen this in the response to what lebron james said. people have come out and tried to say get over it, you're rich. you can't possibly experience racism. the reality is every black man, every black woman experiences racism in the united states of
america. unless you have taken a death threat, unless you have been -- i can imagine my fellow panelists probably experienced security issues, i have myself, how destabilizing it can be to think some hateful person out there knows where i live, knows where my family lives. the reality is, lebron james who has done everything right, who checked every box, has been responsible, a great role model, is still to someone out there not immune to this type of racial threat. i think in that environment, that's the same environment lebron and his children are growing up in. so here's a man from cleveland where he's watched on video a 12-year-old boy be killed by police in the streets, where he es som of the economic challenges of that city, where race is a reality of his life and who has done everything right, has made millions of dollars and he still cannot escape this threat that his skin might lead someone to show up at his home, scroll a threatening message and who knows what else
they might do. that's the reality of race in america. that cannot be escaped with athletic prowess or writing prowess or professional accomplishment. the reality is every black man and woman in america still faces this type of framing and this physical threat, this real threat because of our skin color. >> thank you so much for opening our hearts and minds hopefully a little bit here tonight. appreciate it. when we come back, a spoiler for all you wishing for kinder, gentler america. ...it starts a chain reaction... ...that's heard throughout the connected business world. at&t network security helps protect business, from the largest financial markets to the smallest transactions, by sensing cyber-attacks in near real time and automatically deploying countermeasures. keeping the world of business connected and protected. that's the power of and. can we at least analyze customer can we push the offer online?
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finally, did you catch the scuffle on the floor of the texas legislature? it started over undocumented protesters and sanctuary cities and got so many folks on my twitter feed yearning for kinder, gentler times when our founding fathers took off their powdered wigs, shared a pint and sang kumbaya. why can't we all just get along? because we're americans and never have. between 1830 and 1860 there are over 100 inciden of violence in legislatures around the country. on the floor of the house,
preston brooks beat charles sumner so badly with his cane he didn't go back to work for three years. they pulled guns on each other, beat up reporters. one nearly had his finger bitten off which by the way, if mitch mcconnell ever bites off my finger, i promise to give it to the newseum and they can put it next to the broken glasses of the reporter who got body slammed by the newest congressman from montana. that incident and the texas scuffle, alarming, worth condemnation but we are still a long way from weehawken dawn, and in such tense, angry times, it's nice for both sides to look at stories like these and say hey, look at the way they pass laws in ukraine. at least we're not ukraine. yet. thanks so much for joining me tonight. we shared so much more of my homecoming journey. i would love to share it with you. catch it on cnn go or cnn.com.
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