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esome. it's 8:00 eastern, 5:00 in the west. thanks so much for joining us. i'm boris sanchez in new york in for ana. osource telling cnn's manu rougea that some worry sessions may be trying to avoid testifying publicly. the committee is now debating whether to let attorney general jeff sessions testify on tuesday about his meetings with a
russian ambassador and his role in the firing of fbi director james comey. mean when i will, president trump is hurling an insult, tweeting out quote i believe the james comey leaks will be far more prevalent than anyone ever thought, possible. totally illegal? very cowardly. detailing one of his conversationwise the president. want to bring in white house correspondent athena jones. she is in new jersey where the president spent the weekend. ultimately it's the intelligence committee that gets to decide whether or not it's a closed or open hearing, right the. >> reporter: that's exactly right, boris. it's up to the senate intelligence committee to decide not only if the hearing is open or closed but when it takes place. as you mentioned my colleague manu rougeue recalling this request took the committee by surprise. that's why we haven't gotten a
definitive answer about their plans. there are some members concerned the attorney general may be trying to avoid testifying publicly. among those the vice-chairman of the committee, senator mark warner of virginia. another democrating on the committee who's concerned about this is ron white, and he's sent a letter to the chirman and vice chirman asking that any session with sessions be open to the public. we also have outside groups like the american civil liberties arguing it should be open. and you also mention there are a lot of questions the investigators may have for the attorney general, one of them being his involvement in the firing of the fbi director. we know comey believed he was firing because of his handling on the russian investigation. we know that sessions was involved in that firing, even though sessions was supposed to have recused himself from the russian investigation, forgy investigation involving the 2016 campaign, of which he was a part
of trump's campaign. so we still don't know when this will take place and if we'll be able to watch it. >> athena, we're still in suspense about whether or not this testimony is going to happen as we're still in suspense over whether or not there are recordings by president trump as he lands at an air force base spending the weekend in new jersey. he's heading back new the white house. athena, back to the question, we're still in suspense whether or not there were recordings with his meetings with james comey. what are vow learned about that. >> reporter: that is right. this has been a big mystery since the president almost a month ago tweeted the suggestion there may be those tapes. what we heard from a member of his team today, speaking to abc this week saying working with mark cas wits, the president wanted to address this issue next week, in the coming days.
and we will find out if there are any recordersion of those conversation. if we find out there are recordersion, it doesn't necessarily mean the white house will decide to turn over those recordings to congressional investigators. and this is an issue that's been not only the minds of journalists but also republicans. listen to what collins and senator diane if i knowstein had to say about this issue on the state of the union. >> he should voluntarily turn them over not only to the senate intelligence committee but to the special council. so i don't think a subpoena should be necessary. and i don't understand why the president just doesn't clear this matter up once and for all. >> there were no witnesses. if there were tapes, please bring those tapes forward. >> reporter: so there you heard demands from both parties that the president answer this
question of whether there are any sort of recordersion. and if there are recordersion, to turn them over. you heard senator collins saying that a subpoena shouldn't be necessary, but we'll have to wait and see if it ultimately is. finestein has also took to twitter tweeting release the tapes, mr. president, what are you afraid of? so poking the president a bit there. we'll see how he responds. boris. >> all right, athena jones reporting from new jersey where the president spent the weekends. thank you. let's dig deeper with our panel. joining me now josh rogan, cnn national security analyst, julie cian and douglas brinkly. doug, let's start with you. it is up to the senate judiciary committee whether or not the session is open or closed. >> i can see the predicament they're in, because they want.
each of them has a different value. in a closed testimony they can get work done and figure out if there were any meetings, at least as much as sessions is willing to provide. but the open hearing tells the american people what they're doing. the situation they don't want to be in as stealing the sessions testimony away from the senate appropriations committee and away from the sebt judiciary committee, which also have very good reasons to have the attorney general testify in public. there's stuff going on all over the world that jeff sessions is involved in, has nothing to do with the russia investigation. so they're between a rock and a hard place. they want everything, and sessions doesn't seem to be willing to give them everything. so they're going to have to negotiate and come up with a solution. >> and julia, what do you make of this report that some centers fear he may be trying to avoid
public testimony? >> i think he clearly is. and part of that has to do with whether he lied to the senate judiciary committee in his hearing, so i think there is a sense among members of he's sort of hiding from them. but also on josh's point, there's sort of a mythology out there that the trump administration can get past trump russia, if only they can get past it and trump stop tweeting or whatever. and i think this whole thing about sessions, shows they're not getting past it. the tentacles of the investigation are too broad, too wide, covering too many people of the administration that until it's resolved, it's going to be very hard for some of these cabinet secretaries to function
effectively and run government as people expect them to. >> douglas to you, whether or not it's a closed or open session it's still historically significant that the attorney general of the united states is going to be testifying in this situation, right? >> well, very much so. but it makes sense for jeff sessions to get this out of the way as quickly as he can. there's a great poet of new england, robert frost once said, the only way out is through. the only way out of this russia probe is to go through it. so for sessions to kind of go in there quickly, do it this week and try to get it behind him. because if he waits and does it after the mueller report comes out months from now perhaps, there'll be a lot more questions. right now it's about the comey situation, why did you not, you know, stay there for, you know, you lingered and then you left. why did you do that? how many times did you meet the russian ambassador? maybe he didn't meet him a third
time, so he may build a bit of clerical error for himself. and remember many of these members like jeff sessions. he will know how to handle himself, whether it's a private or public this week. >> and juliet, he talked about several phone calls he received from the president. and he said listening to comey's testimony was like daja vu. here he is. >> so he called me in december essentially to shoot the breeze and ask me how he was doing. it was similar to what comey testified to with a call when he got on the helicopter. i didn't say anything at the time to him. he was not the president, only the president-elect. he called me again two days before the inauguration, again
seemingly to check in and shoot the breeze. and then he called me a third time after he became president and i refused to return the call. and reporting the phone call to the chief of staff, to attorney general, i said it appeared to be he was trying to cultivate some kind of relationship. >> the day after he reported that phone call, he was fired. he called cultivating a relationship. james comey called it pachrennage. does that to you signal there's a pattern developing with president trump in which he tries to develop personal relationships with people he should keep at arms distance in. >> absolutely. it does show a pattern of practice towards people who are close to investigations that impact trump or his family. remember procedura was in new york the investigation, which covers the family, and what he was investigating we still don't know. but it sounds so familiar when
listening to both testimonies and also getting back to sessions, the attorney general's failure to protect his underling and comey was also very familiar. so in some ways sessions is sort of back in the news because of that interview today. look, the idea that donald trump did not know what he's doing, that sort of mythology sort of cultivated by paul ryan and others. it appears that donald trump knew exactly what he was doing, and he did it again and again. now, that's for someone to decide whether that's a legal dace, but certainly from the outside it looks like he's it's a pattern of behavior he's done throughout his adult life. >> skraugjosh, he said he's spo with president obama three times. similarly, james comey said he met with president obama twice in all of his years of service.
with president trump that number was nine, nine different times, three meetings, six phone calls. is that unusual? >> yeah, it's very unusual. and i agree with juliet, i think this whole idea that donald trump is just a novice who doesn't understand you're not trying to make friends with the guy when is investigating you, i don't know buy that at all. i think this is how he uperates and he was checking in to see if these guys were onboard with the program and when they weren't, he fired them. and the evidence was he fired them. so this also speaks to the situation jeff sessions is in. we know from a lot of reporting both inside the white house and from the justice department that jeff sessions and bu raro aren't on the best terms. he doesn't like how he's handled his recusal -- the president refused to it. so sessions is in the same position. does he do what's loyal to trump
or does he do what he needs to do protect himself now that he's wrapped up in all this investigation stuff? and he can't win, it's a lose-lose, that's why he wants to talk behind closed doors. so he's going to have to choose between backing up trump's story, putting himself in gemmerdy or saving himself, maybe losing his job. >> all eyes will beoon jeff sessions on tuesday, even if it is a closed door session. thank you so much for the time. we appreciate it. >> thank you. heading to the newsroom, as jeff sessions offer totestify sits on theforefront, the question still on everyone's mind, will trump choose to testify? what these fraternity brothers are likely to face in court tomorrow morning. and the must-see moment when
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he took a bold step by becoming the first senator to back donald trump during the campaign. and just two days from now attorney general jeff sessions could find himself in the hot seat. his former colleagues in the senate are debating whether to let him testify in his role with his firing of fbi director james comey and his meeting with russian officials. it's one of the many controversies surrounding the trump white house. >> reporter: the president's declaration he is willing to testify under oath. >> 100%. >> reporter: suggests the special counsel probe into russian election hacking could now include president trump's firing of fbi director james coy. >> since part of this goes to the rationale of firing mr.
comey and the rationale of trying to deflect if not stop the investigation of general flynn involves to some degree the president, so i would expect at some point if not right away, that he feels he has to depose the president. >> reporter: comey's memoerize now in mueller's possession. those memos could form the basis of expanding the investigation. something comey hinted at on thursday. >> do you believe this arise to the obstruction of justice? >> i don't know. that's bob mueller's job to sort that out. >> reporter: it appears mueller may also be looking into others around the president. sources tell cnn that the fbi has investigated the possibility of a undisclosed third encounter at the mayflower hotel between russian ambassador sergey
kislyak and attorney general jeff sessions. they say the meeting was discussing at an intercept between russian officials. the justice department insists there was no encounter, but democrats are pouncing. >> what we have is a pattern of contacts with the russians by flynn, by sessions, by kushner. secret and then concealed. in fact denied possibly in violation of the law, that denial could -- >> could be purgeary. >> could be purgeary. >> reporter: the drip, drip, drip shows no sign of abating. trump's son-in-law and senior advisor could be investigated. >> i'm glad michael flynn has turned them over.
i hope other witnesses will do the same and in due course other witnesses will come by also. >> reporter: has responded to requests from democratic lawmakers for information about donald trump's loans. it says it will not comply with those requests, that it would be a violation of federal privacy laws to do so. briana keilar, cnn washington. >> there are some stories you might have missed. first, president trump's $110 billion arms deal with saudi arabia, may be fake news. they say there are a letters of interest or intent but no actual contracts. brookings also notes nothing has been turned over to the senate for review. and the deals that have been identified actually started under president obama. and over seas south korea says it will not deploy a
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support the former fbi director that when he wants something done, the president is crystal clear about it. listen. >> when he tells you to do something, guess what, there's no ambiquity in it. hey, i'm hoping. that's what he told comey. for this as a politician to then go back and write a memo, he felt so threatened but he didn't do anything. >> james comey told the senate last week he took the president's words about hoping to drop the investigation into miken flynn as a directive and an inappropriate one. i want to get paul callan and michael zeleny. gentleman, thank you so much for joining us. two days ago president trump was asked if he'd be willing to testify under oath about his conversations with james comey he responded, quote, 100%. if you were his attorney, would
you advise him to testify? >> no, i would rate that as a colossal error. because by him testifying under oath he kpoezs himself to the potential he has lied under oath, much of what has happened to bill clinton. also when the president says he's willing to testify under oath, i'm not sure what that means. i mean is he going to answer questions under a grand jury or is he saying i'm going to submit an aft under oath. you really have to pin the president done specifically to know what he's talking about. >> michael, what did you think when you heard the president say gnat? >> oh, my god, is what i thought. if i was his attorney, i would have been horrified that my client has agreed to do something that he probably in the end would have to do, but why step forward and say i'm going to do that which then puts
him in the position of having to back away if he doesn't do it. now, the president has a history of doing that. he's said with taxes and birthers and other things that he's going to do, and he doesn't do it. so maybe it's just that it comes natural to him. but in pure legal terms, it was not well-as vised for him to have said that. >> i want you to listen to this tweet from the former secretary under former president george w. bush. adviesz 4 potis. you have not been vindicated. stop talking. you're heading into a giant purgeary trap. paul, should the president's attorneys tell him to stop talking, to put away the tweets and just be quiet? >> they should absolutely tell him that, and have no doubt they probably in the past has told him that. his staff have told him that,
but he doesn't listen. he views this as his direct communication mode with the american people. but as any lawyer who will tell you involved in criminal investigations, it's very easy for a client to trip himself up and get in major trouble through speaking directly and through the use of social media. it's a real problem, and going to be more of a problem as these investigations continue. >> may i add something to that, because one of the things we've herds allen dearthwits and others have an interesting point to is they believe -- and i'm not sure i disagree -- but they believe you cannot obstruct justice if you're doing something you're entitled to do, in case the fbi director. but if it's combined with purgeary it becomes obstruction of justice. so he's walking poerjsy into a purgeary trap if he says something that's sort of allie to put it easily.
and that's something that marc kasowitz, of course wants him to avoid. >> and paul, we have to remember of course to bill clinton. during the white water investigation, who would have thought that monica luwinsky would be the topic that would cause him impeachment, but that's exactly what happened. so by lying or testifying to even what lawyers would call a cateral matter, a side matter, you could expose yourself to prosecution. if you lie under oath, that's a crime. if you lie to fbi, that's a crime. there are lots of ways to get yourself in trouble whenever there's an investigation like this going on. >> indeed, if you look at the articles of impeachment againstclipten and nixon, they're both lies. >> we're running out of time, but i'm really interested to hear your perspective on this, michael. let's say the president does
testify, a hypothetical. if he stands by his line and says he did not tell the president or rather he did not tell james comey he hoped the flynn thing would go away, does that mean that one of them is committing per injury, is stl a gray area with comey's interpretation of hope may change the way this shakes out? if the president says i did say i hope you could find a way to let flynn go, but if the facts warrant it, of course do your job, that's, you know, a shiny gloss on their story. if he says i never said it, he's making that up, that's perjury, and if it's proven to not be true. so you could try to explain in a way i didn't mean it, as donald trump, jr. tried to explain tha way, only getting his father in
further trouble, i think. but if you're asked a specific question and given allie as an answer, that's perjury. >> i agree with michael, and i think it's very interesting that clip you just plied, boris, from donald trump. he says when trump gives an order to somebody, they know it's an order. when comey testified although he used the word hope, it was clear to me he was giving me a directorive to drop the flynn investigation. so maybe the words of donald trump don't exonerate his father. maybe they incriminate his father. >> i think that's right. >> we'll have to leave it at that. thank you both for joining us tonight. >> thank you. peuerto rico is voting toda whether or not to become the 51st state. if they say yes, it wouldn't be the first time perto reekens chose state referendum back in 2012, but that went nowhere.
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about the tragic death of their son. >> reporter: reports could decide to show the surveillance from inside that fraternity house, the 12 hours tim struggled and declined before turning ashen and then nonresponsive. i spoke with his parents last month about the details of that surveillance and the hours their son spent struggling. take a listen. >> they killed him. they fed him legal doses of alcohol, and they killed him. and then they treated him like road kill, like a rag doll. they slapped him around, through water on him. one kid punched his area that was clearly visible. >> they said the spleen was shattered. >> it was chilling. as a parent, it was chilling. in my mind, it was murder. they let him suffer for 12 hurs. they let him die a very slow deaths. it's not any way anybody should
ever be treated. >>. >> reporter: tomorrow's hearing is a hearing to determine if there's enough evidence to move forward a trial for these 18 members who was been charged. attorneys for these men have been mostly tight-lipped, but one saying they will fight these charges. that attorney also went onto say this. the government assumes these young men, many of whom who were intoxicated themselves should have been able to differentiate symptoms of extreme intoxication from symptoms of a life threatening head injury. that is an impossible burden to place on them. of course that's the view of the attorney. we'll see what the judge says after the hearing tomorrow 3467 boris. >> sarah, thank you. stay with us. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ isaac hou has mastered gravity defying moves to amaze his audience. great show. here you go.
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his golf club in bedminster in new jersey. that club actually hosted a wedding party this weekend, and look at him crash the party. >> looking good, donald. >> keep it up. >> hey, where's your red hat the. >> president, looking good, baby. >> the crowd obviously enjoying the presidential cameo, but this is the same club that recently came under fire "the new york times" reported that it advertised a potential wedding appearance by the president in sales brochurz. a club spokesman says the brochure has since been discontinued. onto another presidential encounter passengers on a delta night from atlanta to washington were given a rare treat, a chance to meet a former president in person.
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it practices a tolerant, nonsectarian form of islam. one of the most beautiful, most friendly, generous, hospitalable places i've ever been, talking about oman. >> my colleague and the regular anchor of this program sat down with him to find out about his trip to oman. >> you're going to have a one-party rule with an absolute ruler, a monarchy, you could do worse an oman. the sultan there transformed his country almost overnight from a nation with two hospitals, almost no schools, no roads,
still stuck in the 17th century essentially, and took what limited oil resources they had and pumped them back into infrastructure, education, the things that omanis needed. they practice an extraordinary form of there's a mix of cultures that could be tricky in a mismanaged nation. people speak swa leely, farcy, arabic, as you mentioned, they have a rich tradition of traveling and trading with the far east. so all of those flavors have come back there. it is an extraordinary beautiful country. unlike the other gulf states, no skyscrapers, modern buildings, they have knowingly and
carefully preserved their culture, architecture, the way things look and feel. it is really a unique and special place that more people should visit. >> did you feel pretty comfortable? >> absolutely. that's a place that one would and should feel safe. >> you don't hear about violent extremism there? >> no, absolutely not. it's a very safe nation. it's extra oordinary enlightene relative to its neighbors. it's a a pretty amazing place that not a lot of people unfortunately know about. >> it sounds fascinating. if there were to be a tourist attraction maybe that it has the largest sand desert of the world and the home of the people. >> there are a few more beautiful places to me than the
empty core sitting on a dune under a full moon looking out at the sea of sand. but they also have incredibly beautiful mountains. >> what's the lifestyle like for those people who live in the sand desert? >> i think i have some experience elsewhere in the region. one guyen op the show compares him to people who live very -- accuse to live in very harsh regions and environments. always close to things going terribly wrong. you get stuck alone in the desert with no friends or communication and no water, you're not going to last long. they built a society that anticipates that and supports the they support each other and operate in a way that's lovely and beautiful. it is a fascinating place.
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finally this hour, president trump is a big believer in two words. jeanne moos explains. >> who says president trump is a man of deep believes. . he was deep in believe mes. >> believe me, we have just begun. >> dropping five of them as he announced the u.s. would drop out of the paris climate accord. >> this is not what we need. >> what's five in one speech? >> believe me there's no
collusion. >> when he's been a believer at the rate of two in under ten seconds. >> my total priority, believe me, is the united states of americas. >> what is trump's usage like compared to other people? >> trump's usage is off the charts. >> tyler's made charts of trump's usage. >> believe me. >> believe me. >> a tallied trump at 580 occurrences per million words versus six for hillary clinton. it seems to me it's a time killer or time filler to collect your thoughts. >> you're emphasizing something, but it lets you play for time. >> jon stewart has another theory. >> nobody says believe me unless they are lying. >> the addiction to saying believe me is ironic for someone who is often described -- >> thousands and thousands of people were cheering -- >> as having his pants on fire.
>> the 2015 lie of the year goes to the collect i have misstatements of donald trump. >> i had people tell me their parents told me don't believe anyone that says believe me. that doesn't seem to be the case that this is a an easy marker of lying. >> and you personally don't say here comes a lie when he says believe me. >> no, i don't. >> we're going to knock the hell out of isis, believe me. >> he's really at his most trumpen when he uses it. >> you better believe it. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> it's supposed to be a modern twist on a classic shakespeare play, but critics say new york's public theater production of socaesar is inappropriate becau the caesar-like character bares a resemblance to president trump. take a look as a result of the violent depiction which comes on the heels of kathy griffin which appears to be a severed head.
delta airlines stopped its sponsorship of this performance telling cnn, quote, no matter what your political stance may be, the graphic staging of caesar at the freeshake peer in the park does not reflect delta airlines values. air artistic and creative direction crossed the line. we notified as the official airline of the public theater effective immediately. we thank you so much for joining us tonight. anthony bourdain starts right now. ♪