tv Inside Politics CNN June 14, 2017 9:00am-10:01am PDT
world. . >> the president an the white house just a short time ago. khalis' office says he's undergoing surgery and "he's grateful for the brave actions of u.s. capitol police, first responders and colleagues." that sentiment, that grateful attitude toward the first responders shared by his colleagues those with him on the baseball field this morning and others in the house and the senate. across washington and, of course, back home in the congressman's district in louisiana. senator rand paul of kentucky among those at the baseball field this morning. >> our lives were saved by the capitol police. had they not been there, i think it would have been a massacre. you are completely helpless. you know, having no self-defense and no way to get to somebody, the field was basically a killing field. i mean, if you were to run out there while the shooter was still shooting, he would have shot anybody. >> the fbi taking the lead in this investigation because a member of congress was among those shot. the fbi says it's too early to know whether this is an act of terror or whether the lawmakers
were targeted or assassination. alabama congressman mo brooks was there and used his belt as a tourniquet to help the wounded lobbyist. he's given some of the most riveting accounts of this morning's horror. >> well, i was on the third base side of home plate getting ready to have batting practice and the first shots were pretty much past the third base dugout, maybe 10 or 15 feet, hard 0 ascertain for sure. i'm looking is the at it from an angle. i heard the big bethlehem and i thought it was a car backfiring till i see the rifle barrel. a white male taking careful aim at congressman, staffers, whoever he could get ahold of. >> i spoke just moments ago with another republican congressman at the field who was leaving just before the shooting who says he is certain he saw the shooter. he said the shooter approached the car and asked weathered those were democrats or republican out there on the field practicing. we'll bring that you interview with ron detan toes in a moment.
i want to begin with shimon pro cue pez with new details. tell us what we know about this gunman? >> reporter: we know his name. his name is james hodgkinson. he's from belleville, illinois. he's 66 years old. police were able to learn his name fairly quickly. they believe they found a van or maybe another type of vehicle on the scene believed to belong to him. and from that, they were able to trace his identity. and since then, they've learned quite a bit about him including an extensive social media presence, some anti-trump postings. he was also pretty well-known in illinois in belleville where he was part of some anti-gop groups we're told. and john, just two days ago, according to a law enforcement official i've spoken to said that hodgkinson had posted an angry either tweet or something on facebook about donald trump. so all of this now obviously
part of the investigation. it may go to intent or motive. clearly with the fbi now leading this investigation, they believe that may play a role in this. so now, you know, their process is to go through a timeline trying to find out where he's been the last few days, where the alleged shooter has been in the last few days, who he was talking to, looking for more social media postings. it's not entirely clear if he was on anyone's radar before this. but you know, just a general scrub of his social media, you can see some of his views, some of his what one law enforcement official said anti-trump views. that is playing a large role in this investigation. >> and as they try to piece that together, shimon, do we know anything yet confirmed? you hear a lot of first reports not confirmed about the type of rifle used they try to trace this back together. how long has he been in the area? do we know that yet? >> no, i just spoke to a law
enforcement official who said this is something they're still trying to determine. there are some media reports that his wife claims had he moved to alexandria recently or had been there in the last two months. weigh haven't been able to confirm that. law enforcement is still trying to confirm that, as well. that's part of what they're doing to trace his moves to see where he's been, see who he's been talking to, where did he get the weapons from. that is all part of it. we've been told it is some sort of long gun. we've heard different descriptions of it. that still has not been confirmed. >> appreciate that. continue your reporting. we'll come back to you as soon as new information comes to us. cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr will tell us the latest. >> reporter: john, we are about two blocks just over my hurled from the baseball field. some of the police presence winding down a bit here now. but the investigation in full swing. they are continuing to gather evidence, interview wit anies. we've had two beefings this
morning here on site from law enforcement. they are making very clear they have a long way to go on this. they want to learn everything they can how the incident unfolded, the motivation of the gunman. the fbi now in charge, of course, because this is an attack on the u.s. congress. this is a federal crime, of course. some indication of security being ramped up in areas at federal sites across washington. even though the inclination may be at the moment that this is a lone gunman, that there is not a broader plot. the fbi agent in charge making very clear they were not ready to rule anything out that it is very early on that they are investigating all avenues, lone shooter, terrorism, all of it. they're not closing off any avenue of investigation at this point as they continue to gather evidence. it was at 7:09 this morning the alexandria police chief tells us that the first 911 call aim in from the baseball field.
of alexandria police said they were able to respond in three minutes, able to back up the capitol hill security detail already at the baseball site. five people transported to hospitals here. i just want to emphasize for people who may be watching, this is really a lovely, quiet neighborhood in suburban washington. we're about five, ten minutes south of the pentagoning in virginia across the potomac river. about 20 or 30 minutes perhaps south of capitol hill. this is a neighborhood where people at 7:00 in the morning are out walking their dogs, getting the kids ready for school. it is known that they practice here that they practice for the baseball game here. and people, neighborhood people were telling us you know, sometimes they come out and watch in the early morning. it's a very friendly neighborhood. i don't live very far from here. i've already run into friends who live here this morning.
very much a neighborhood. very much a place where people generally lived her for many years. and all of that, john, really adding to the shock this morning about what happened on these streets? >> barbara starr, great perspective. important to know so many great samaritans helping out in the response this morning as people scattered from the field offering them shelter and the like. thank you. let's get to brian todd right now at the hospital where victims are being treated. what can you tell us? >> reporter: john, i can tell you a short time ago, hospital fishes confirmed there are two victims from the shooting being treated here at medstar washington hospital center. one of them isps congressman steve scalise medevac'd here on a helicopter landing on a helipad to my left. he is currently in surgery. his staff says he is in stable condition. a second victim from the shooting is being treated here, as well. hospital officials not releasing that person's name or their condition at this time. we hope to get an update for you
on that very soon. this hospital of course, known for treating trauma cases, emergency surgeries, shooting incidents, victims come here all the time from those shooting incidents. we have a helipad here easily accessible by medevac. that was the choice in this case. the congressman's staff said that he was in good spirits here before he went into surgery. and that he was able to talk to his wife on the phone. interestingly enough, senator jeff flake, republican from arizona who was at the baseball field when the shooting occurred and gave some very vivid graphic accounts of what he saw, he said he was able to grab congressman's cell phone and call his wife to tell her what had happened so she wouldn't have to necessarily hear it on the news. very riveting accounts from the members of congress and others at that ball field with congressman scalise. they said he was lying motionless on the field after he was hit in the hip and that it took some time to get him off but that they were able to get him off there.
also that if it wasn't for the presence of the two the u.s. capitol police officers who were at the scene, that this could have been much, much worse. they're saying these two officers engaged the shooter and helped take him down and saved lives in the process, john. so a lot of gratitude being handed out to those two officers on the scene. not clear if one of them is the second person being treated here or not. we hope to get that information for you soon. >> brian todd, thanks for that information. we'll keep in touch. as brian noted steve scalise is a feisty conservative member of congress, very colorful and funny. she's the second baseman for the republican team. i talked with another infielder ron detap the toes and duncan. they left the field a few minutes before the shooting. out in the parking lot, congressman detant santos says he was approached by a man they are now certain was the shooter. listen. >> sir, you're in your suit now. you were at practice this morning and you believe now based on what we know that you
saw the shooter right before this happened. >> right. i was actually at third base. jeff duncan from south carolina, short. steve was at second taking ground balls. jeff and i looked at each other and said we've hit. let's beat the traffic back to the hill. we left practice a little early, got in the jeff's one of his aide's cars. i was in the back seat. a gentleman walked up to us and wanted to know whether there were republicans or democrats practicing out there. congressman duncan said that it was republicans. and he immediately turned around and went towards the field. it was a little weird because you know, no one's really out there at that time. but we just kind drove back. once we got to the hill, we got word that there was a shooting, immediately jeff and i looked at each other and we said we've got to report this individual. we reported him the best description we could get. since he's been identified, the picture on the individual's twitter page matches the individual who approached our vehicle probably about ten minutes before the shooting started. >> you have no doubt about that.
>> i'm very sure. like it's the type of thing where i probably saw him for ten seconds. having seen someone for ten seconds i think i'm assure as i could be. >> you communicated with congressman duncan who shares your view. >> he thinks it's him too yeah. >> obviously there will be a lot of conversation about potential political motivation. can you think exactly what you heard him say? was it just a simple question? are those republicans or democrats? did it have any bias to it. >> it had i think a little bias, not enough that i thought he would go commit acts of violence. it was a little abrasive. i thought to myself, i was like that's strange but it was strange enough that as soon as the news hit, jeff and i both had the same thought. >> you were in the back seat of a car at the time. >> i was in the back seat. >> could you see at that moment, was he carrying anything a rifle or anything. >> i saw him from cleft up. i was in the back seat. i couldn't see below his chest. so i can't say that he did or didn't have that. >> obviously, whip khalis had
his security detail there because of his position in the leadership. hindsight is often 2020 and often judgmental. was that enough security there? should members of congress be out in a public setting like that? it's a crazy question to ask. anybody should be able to practice baseball. >> here's the thing. paul ryan say he told stevi need you, i got something. there would have been no security out there. the only reason there was security is because steve rates it as a member of the leadership. they usually stage behind the first base dugout and have the suv. they usually stand outside the vehicle. you know they're armed and security. the shooter was obviously on the other side of the diamond but had steve not been there, i think you would have seen many more injured and probably many killed. it would have been a really gruesome day. having the capitol police there saved hives today. no question about that. >> take me back into the parking lot. describe again in every detail you can recall the gentleman who asked that question. >> i got into the car first.
i'm in the back seat. jeff duncan is walking into the front passenger seat. his aide is driving the car. as jeff's getting in, there's an individual that's kind of approaching our general direction. i wasn't sure he was approaching our car. then did he come to the car and then asked the question are those republicans or democrats out there. not really a friendly guy, not nice. jeff said they were republicans. then he immediately kind of clicked and he turned around. again, i thought it was a little weird but not at the weird level where this guy's a security risk. but in the picture, it does -- it matches the type of guy. i thought it was probably late 50s, early 60s. they reported he's 66. that probably fits pretty good. >> what did he look like? >> he was like late 50s, early 60s. he had kind of like darker hair with maybe some gray in it. i think he had some facial hair, as well. and he just -- he was dressed kind of not nicely dressed at all but not like he was wearing rags. the type of guy if you were
talking down the street, there were 30 other people you probably wouldn't pick him out. >> he asked one question and turned around and walked away? >> that's right. >> how did it feel to get back and realize you walked off this field five, ten minutes before it happened. >> i don't think it still hit me. we went to the gym to shower. and i see on the screen on the tv representative scalise shot. and i'm thinking to myself had, we left five, ten minutes before this. it was just so crazy. and obviously, the initial thing is i hope steve is okay. and steve incidentally, i mean, he loves this baseball game. we've raised 6350,000. steve is always wear a nice uniform. i haven't been playing lately because i've been banged up. he's like we need you out there. i'm playing this year. every time on the house floor, he says you're awesome. i'll be there if they do play. it will be sad if steve's not
there given how much it meant to him. >> we learned just moments ago, congresswoman martha telling it republican colleagues they will play that charity baseball game tomorrow night at nationals game. the house floor is beginning. let's take you there live. >> let us pray. almighty god, on a day when violence has come to this assembly, we ask your blessing on our brother, representative steve scalise. the two officers and the staffer who have been shot. bless the hands of those who tend to their injuries. we as americans are blessed by a free and open society with rights secured by law and the constitution. but once again, we are reminded that there is a vulnerability that comes with that openness. may we all be vigilant in being
good citizens neighbors, and defenders of our way of life at a time when so many challenges to our way of life and government seem under siege. we thank you for the men and women who respond to the crises that befall us especially the capitol police and all first responders. may their heroism and generosity of spirit be an inspiration to us all and may they be assured of our appreciation of their service. and in this great silence as we are gathered most dramatically as this assembly, the people's house. may republicans and democrats be mindful of the rare
companionship they share. men and women who have taken very public responsibility for our country that carries so many burdens and today, the reminder shared danger. may this day be characterized by kindness, good will, and compassion one 0 another. god bless america. and may all that is done this day be for your greater honor and glory, amen. >> amen. >> the chair's examined the journal of the last day's proceedings and an announces its approval thereof. pursuant to rule one, the journal stands approved. the chair will lead the house in the pledge of allegiance and invites members of the gallery to join.
>> i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> for purposes does the gentleman from wisconsin seek recognition. >> i ask to address the house for one bhint. >> gentleman is recognized. >> my colleagues, there are very strong emotions throughout this house today. we are all horrified by this
dreadful attack on our friends and on our colleagues and those who be and protect this capitol. we are all praying for those who were attacked and for their families. steve scalise, zachary barth, matt mike ca, special agent david bailey, special agent crystal griner. we are all giving our thoughts to those currently being treated for their injuries at this moment. and we are united. we are united in our shock, we are united in our anguish and an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us.
>> i spoke with special agent bailey and special agent griner this morning. one was being treated and one was about to go to surgery. i expressed our profound gratitude to them. it is clear to me, based on various eyewitness accounts, that without these two heroes, agent bailey and agent griner, many lives would have been lost. i know that we all want to learn as much as we can about what happened. we just all received a briefing from the sergeant of arms. i have complete confidence in the investigation that's being conducted by the capitol police,
the fbi who are also working with local law enforcement. i know we want to extend our gratitude for the outpouring of support that we've received from throughout the capitol and from throughout the country. and now, knowing steve scalise as we all do, he is likely really frustrated that he's not going to be able to play in the baseball game. i also know that steve wants all of us to commend the bravery of those who came to the aid of the wounded. in the coming days, we will hear their stories and we will have the chance to hold up their heroism. my colleagues, there are so many memories from this day that we will want to forget. and there are so many images that we will not want to see again. but there is one image in particular that this house should keep. and that is a photo i saw this morning of our democratic colleagues gathered in prayer this morning after hearing the news. you know, every day we come here
to test and to challenge each other. we feel so deeply about the things that we fight for and the things that we believe in. at times, our emotions can clearly get the best of us. we're all imperfect. but we do not shed our humanity when we enter this chamber. for all the noise and all the fury, we are one family. these were our brothers and sisters in the line of fire. these were our brothers and sisters who ran into danger and saved countless lives. so before this house returns to its business, let's just slow down and reflect to think about how we're all being tested right now. because we are being tested right now. i ask each of you to join me to resolve to come together to lift each other up and to show the country, to show the world that
we are one house, the people's house. united in our humanity. it is that humanity which will win the day and it always will. god bless. i yield. >> for what purposes does the gentle lady from california seek recognition. >> mr. speaker, i rise to join the distinguished speaker in paying tribute to the brave men and women of the capitol police force and also in sadness for the assault that was made on our colleagues and members of the staff.
to my colleagues, you're going to hear me say something you've never heard me say before. i identify myself with the remarks of the speaker. they were beautiful remarks, mr. speaker. thank you so much for the sentiments that they represent, thank you so much. again, we are not one caucus or the other in this house today. but we speak for each other in saying that we send our thoughts and prayers to our colleague steve scalise. personally we have our italian american connection so as soon as i heard his name as i would be for anyone here but we had that special connection.
i said to the speaker, i'll be asking you every five minutes how is steve coming along and zack barth and congressman williams office and mika who was a former staffer and, of course, as the speaker acknowledged, crystal griner and david bailey. and acknowledging their sacrifice and how fortunate we all were that they were on the scene because their lives would have probably been lost, i want us to remember that every single day, the capitol police protects all of us, takes risks for us. and while a day like this is a time when we can focus on it, so sadly, it doesn't mean that other days aren't as challenging. and i especially want to call attention to detective john gibson and fer jacob chestnut who almost 19 years ago, 1988 it was in july, lost their lives
protecting the congress, the capitol. not just the members of congress, the staff, the press, and our visitors, people who come to see this capitol, this great edifice to democracy known throughout the world. so they are protecting a great deal. and it is an attraction, and that makes it all the more risky. you may not know this, my colleagues but every time i pray, which is very frequently and certainly every sunday, i pray for all of you. all of you together. in earlier years, i used to pray for your happiness for the fact that we would working together, heed the words of president kennedy in the closing of his inaugural address when he said may god's work must truly be our own. how do we view what god's will
is for us? how do we come together to give confidence to the american people. that as our founders intended we would have our disagreements and we would debate them and we would have confidence in our beliefs and humility to listen to others. but in more recent years, i have been praying not only for that, but for our safety. because anyone in here, and i can say that quite clearly have been probably the target of more -- political target and therefore, the target of more threats than anyone other than the president of the united states. barack obama. and so i prayed for barack obama. and now i continue to pray for him and i pray for donald trump that his presidency will be successful and that his family will be safe. because it is about family. we are called for a purpose to this body.
it's a great thing. and we know what it means to each of us to serve and we recognize that in others. and we also recognize that you have your constituents, we have ours and we respect you and your constituents who sent you here. all worthy of respect. but we do have our differences. and so i pray, my prayer is that we can resolve our differences in a way that furthers the preamble to the constitution, takes us closer to e plur bus unum. and today, again, it's again, it's in the family. it's an injury in the family for the staff and for our colleague and for his leadership. as i mentioned just a minute ago, sports are a wonderful thing in our country.
i think the arts, we like to say music or plays or whatever. but sports really bring us together in our cities. you see people have the biggest differences of opinion in on politics, and yet, when their team is on the field, people come together. people come together. so when this team was on the field practicing in such a -- with such camaraderie and such brother hood, i don't know if you have any sisters on your team, we have two on our team. for this person to take this action that was so cowardly, so cowardly. we all learn more about motivation and the rest of that, but it seems particularly sad although any violent death of course, is sad. but particularly sad that at a time when people want us to come together and we are prepared to
come together tomorrow night, that this assault would be made. but we cannot let that be a victory for the assailant or anyone who would think that way. so tomorrow, we'll go out on the field. we'll root for our team. we'll want everyone to do his or her very best. and we will use this occasion as one that brings us together and not separates us further. with that, again, i want to thank the speaker for bringing us together and again, with endless gratitude to our capitol police in, particular today, of course, crystal griner, david bailey, but never out of our prayers detective john gibson and officer jacob chestnut. thank you, my colleagues for the opportunity to share some thoughts with you on this sad day. steve and others, you are deeply in our prayers. we count the minutes until you return. please convey ta to him, mr. speaker. thank you all.
>> the chair lays before the house a communication. >> the honorable the speaker house of representatives sir, pursuant to the permission granted in clause of rule 2 of the rules of the u.s. house of representatives the clerk received the following message from the secretary of the senate. >> you just heard the house democratic leader nancy pelosi. before that the republican speaker of the house paul ryan both delivering quite emotionalra, here in the house of representatives paying their best wishes to one of their colleagues, republican whip steve scalise who surgery today after being shot at a baseball practice this morning. also paying best wishes and prayers to the others shot, including two capital police officers, a congressional aide, as well. very emotionalra, of the speaker saying he was horrified and everyone was horrified hoping this becomes a unifying moment
that frankly in a town divided bipolarrized politics. the speaker talking about the one family and the heroes, the people in that neighborhood just a few miles from the nation's capitol who came out of their apartment buildings, out of their hopes and helped those scrambling from the baseball field this morning as the shooter opened fired. with me manu raju, washington correspondent brianna keilar and political director david chalian. m mnu, this is a day to have prayers for those shot. it is a day to track the investigation which at the outset does seem to have some political motivation. what we saw there, a shocked washington taking a moment to reflect, what were your thoughts? >> that's right. i have not seen this level of unity between the two sides probably since one of the last tragedies say 9/11. remember when they came out on the steps of the capitol, john,
and united both sides tried to show some unity here. this is a real rare moment here on capitol hill to see both leaders express their concern and try to show that they're all standing together in this fight. but i can tell you, john, in talking to a number of members this morning, people are deeply rattled by this. they know that this happened in this could happen to almost any of them. a lot of them do not have security. only the members of the immediate leadership team walk around with security detail and that's one reason why of course, that these members who were practicing in the baseball diamond today were able -- were stayed safe because steve scalise, a member of that republican leadership team had a security detail there and they protected most of the members and staff who were on site. members realized that this could happen to them. they were sat down in this closed door briefing right before they went to the floor, john. and they were talking about how
to increase their own personal security at their own events whether there should be more security, more resources. a lot of people really rattled this moments and one reason why, the folks for the moment, john, putting down their partisan swords and hoping to come together at least for now as they try to move past this very shocking situation on capitol hill, john. >> brianna, come in on that point. i've watched you talking to members of congress, talking to staff members, talking to some of the congressmen who were there at the field this morning as the horror unfolded. we'll see pr it takes us from here. >> you can see it in their eyes. i will tell you that just talking to a couple of congressmen, congressman rodney davis, one of them, they came straight to statutory hall from this event and just you could still just see how much they were in shock. and i think one of the things they were also communicating was
that this is a pure sport, right? this is a pure thing they're doing for the love of the game to help out charity. it's a baseball event. it's bipartisan. and for how much rancor you may see in washington and how much division and people lamenting the democrats and republicans don't get along anymore, this is one of these displays where for months, these members of congress practice and this is what goes on on the men's team as well as for the women's game which is to take place next week. and they have this moment to get to know each other in a way that doesn't have anything to do with policy. it has to do with finding common ground. so i think that they are united now, certainly in their concerns about security. this was the republican practice. but democrats are certainly with the republicans on this and they feel like this could have just as easily have happened to them. we've even been seeing moments of just outpouring bipartisan
outpouring of support whether it's the hugs we're seeing between members or we saw a democratic member of the house of representatives who with his staff was carrying bags of sandwiches over to steve scalise's office, the office of the majority whip is right over here across from statutory hall. and we asked them, are you trying to feed scalise's staff? it seemed very clear he was. wouldn't even commit to that being the case. just trying to do something to help out steve scalise's staffers in any way that they can. >> and david chalian, join the conversation. it is sad, beyond sad that it takes such a tragedy, a horrific cowardly act someone deciding to open fire on a field of congressmen, staff and two police officers to bling this out in washington. the speaker talking about a family. nancy pelosi drawing laughter on this difficult day by saying i associate myself withra, from the speaker and the president of the united states at the white house also delivering a very
thoughtful respectful very moving tribute and essentially a call for support and unity in the country. >> yeah, john. this is political leadership at its best. this is three leaders we've now seen and president trump speaker ryan, leader pelosi step up and really appeal to that nature of togetherness here. donald trump the president in his remarks said a reminder to everyone that i think is so important here that everyone that comes to serve in this town, whether as a member of congress or as a staff member or to serve seven in the capitol police, they do so out of a love of country. and we're not -- we tend day in and day out not to pay much attention to that, but that is such a unifying force. the president hit on that. to have the speaker follow that up with not only these very dramatic moment that got everyone in the house on their feet where he said an attack on one is an attack on all of us but then with the anecdote how
touched he was by the democratic team who was also practicing, their response and their moment of prayer upon hearing of the news of the shooting and how incredibly important of a moment that was to him, the republican speaker, this is, i know, and you know too from covering this town, politics is going to enter into this way too soon before too long that the divisions present themselves again. but this is such an important moment to remind you. of can relate to it because we do it in our own lives. when tragedy hits our lives when a shock to the system with our family or friends happen, we stop for that moment of reflection and think about, oh, god, the better things, the way we should be, aspirational moments and in our day-to-day existence we tend to let that go. i think what we're seeing from our political leaders is a reminder of what unites us. if only washington could keep that in mind in its day to day work, i think we would be a little better off. >> excellent point there. there used to be more of these
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welcome back. as we told you earlier in the program, two republican congressmen who left the baseball field just before the shooting say they were approached about a man who asked them are those democrats or republicans out there as we learn about the alleged shooter. i want to go back to manu raju. senator bernie sanders just made dramatic news on the floor of the senate. >> yes, indeed. saying he had just learned that this is actually someone who had volunteered on his campaign. the person who did shoot these congressmen, the staffer, as well as these two police officers was someone who volunteered on bernie sanders campaign. sanders himself addressing this on the senate floor just moments ago. >> i have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the republican baseball practice
this morning is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign. i am sickened by this despicable act. and let me be as clear as i can be. violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and i condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. real change can only come about through nonviolent action and anything else runs counter to our most deeply held american values. i know i speak for the entire country in saying that my hopes and prayers are that representative scalise, congressional staff and the capitol police officer who's were wounded make a quick and full recovery. i also want to thank the capitol
police for their heroic actions to prevent further harm. >> now, john, our colleague jeff zeleny did speak to the person in charge of bernie sanders' iowa campaign operation. robert becker who told jeff that nobody has any recollection of james hodgkinson, the man who shot the members of congress and opened fire during this baseball practice. according to becker, bernie sanders' campaign aide, nobody has any recollection of hodgkinson. he's not anybody anyone can remember. that's the quote that he gave jeff zeleny. he said there were more than 10,000 volunteers at the time. he said he was not a paid volunteer but clearly important enough for bernie sanders, he believes, to come out and condemn these acts and to make it clear he had been told this morning that the shooter was in fact, someone who did volunteer on the campaign, john. >> manu raju bringing us that
strong statement condemnation by senator sanders as we learn more and more about the shooter today. here's a little bit more on those who were shot today and their condition. representative steve scalise is undergoing surgery listed in stable condition according to a statement from his office. zack bath an aide to roger williams was wounded according to a statement from that lawmaker's office. matt my ca for tyson food, senator jeff flake said mika practices with the team and seemed to be the most seriously hurt listed in critical condition. two u.s. capitol police officers david bailey krystal griner also hurt. they're being treated at a local hospital. their injuries not believed to be life-threatening. let's continue this conversation with dr. sanjay gupta. doctor, it appears at this moment no life-threatening injuries. think of your experience as a trauma surgeon. you're on a baseball field. somebody comes in with a rifle.
first they heard one shot and all of a sudden rat a tat a tat. describe cat concerns at that moment. >> two things are going on simultaneously. you want to care for the injured but at the same time, when there's still somebody shooting, you obviously are balancing that with your own well-being. so that was happening it sounded like at the time pretty dramatic descriptions of going over to people, trying to do basic care. stopping bleeding, applying pressure. applying tourniquets and that sort of thing. that's really some of the more important things you can do in a situation like that. we know, i haven't heard the full descriptions of the other injured. we know with congressman scalise that he was shot in the hip. we know if there's anything good about this, there's no vital organs in that area which is why it wasn't surprising he was able to be awake even making a phone call. still a pretty significant injury described as a rifle injury, john. and the sort of significance of
that is that means it was a very high velocity probably injury. that's what doctors, the medical teams and trauma teams think about. a high velocity injury like that. you have to anticipate what sort of damage, what sort of injury that's going to inflict on the body. are there blood vessels in particular that have been damaged because that's what can be life-threatening. that's why he goes to surgery. in those few moments, balancing first responder with still trying to be as safe as you can simultaneously is pretty much what they're thinking about. >> and sanjay, you mentioned obviously, it's almost a perverse question but if you're going to be shot, being shot in the hip is preferable to being shot in many other places. if you come to a victim as such, your first, i assume your first thing is does this appear to be life-threatening. after that, a gunshot wound, what would a first responders concerns been? play that out. >> in all trauma situations, there's a very simple sort of
way the people approach it. it's literally a, b, c. make sure the airway is open, make sure the person is breathing and c stands for circulation which is basically trying to control blood loss. those are the big things one can do in the most immediate situation under these circumstances. again where you know, you may be shot at yourself. in that sort of situation. so really you heard about one of the other congressmen i believe applying a tourniquet. good idea. one of the big arteries the femoral artery is in that area. you want to apply pressure to the wound itself because of potential bleeding there. you know that he is talking so as a air a wa is open. he's breathing on his own so focusing on the circulation. you want to make sure you don't miss something obvious. i'm looking at the hip wound. that's what obviously strikes me. did i miss something else? was there another injury or gunshot wound? those can obviously cause a greater problem later on down
the road. >> dr. gupta it, appreciate the insights. we'll keep in touch. we have new information just into cnn on this incident. a u.s. secret service spokesman telling cnn the shooter who posted anti-trump comments on social media was not on the secret service radar. that important information because of those postings, such individuals do end up on the secret service radar. let's talk more about the response from the police and the investigation. tom fuentes, senior law enforcement analyst, law enforcement analyst charles ramsey, a former district of columbia police chief and police commissioner philadelphia and cnn law enforcement analyst james gagliano. chief ramsey, i want to start with you from the sense of hindsight is always 20/20. had not receive scalise been there with a security detail, we would likely be discussing a much greater tragedy today do the protocols about members of congress out in public need to
be reconsidered? >> i'm sure that the u.s. capitol police chief and his staff are taking a look at that and re-evaluate security. you have an awful lot of members of congress that would require protectio protection. >> and tom fuentes, as you hear about this crime scene, the fbi is now in charge because a member of congress was shot. obviously the alexandria police were first to respond. capitol police exchanges fire. take me through the complexities of an investigation when you have two separate law enforcement agencies who discharged their weapons and now the feds in charge of the enterprise. >> these agencies work together all the time. they work together on the joint terrorism task forces, the chiefs know each other. the special agents in charge and other executives of the fbi work together all the time. so it's a an seamless effort when it comes to that.
by federal law, it's not just the member of congress but members of their staff, federal law enforcement officers, supreme court justices. all the way down from the president of the united states down to like i said, staff members come under the federal jurisdiction that if they're attacked it's an fbi case. the fbi takes the lead in the investigation. so that's what you have here. the staffers. this is exactly what happened in the giffords shooting in tucson, arizona in 2011 when members of her staff were killed. that also came under the fact that she was injured came under and a federal judge attending her event was killed. that comes under fbi jurisdiction. >> james cag g, what are your b questions as we go forward? they seem convinced early on the shooter acted alone. >> yeah, john. i think the special agent in charge of the washington field
office, mr. slater, handled it appropriately. information needed to be given to the public. i think that was put out in time. the first thing they've got to figure out, they've got to determine whether or not it's an acts of terrorism or not. terrorism is defined as violence or intimidation in the pursuit of political goals. and the reason why you've got to rule that out first is because usually in terrorist attacks there are cells, other folks involved and from the tactical resolution perspective, we want to make sure there's no more killing or no more damage to property. then you kind of work through the scenario, and former assistant director fuentes is correct. fbi's purview in certain instances. the first is a terrorist attack. think about this. it took 1963, the assassination of president kennedy for us to have a federal law on the books that gave the fbi purview over an assassination attempt or successful assassination of a president. we've been very, very lucky here. there's a number of considerations going forward.
i think as tom also pointed out, it's good we've got a collegial law enforcement effort, folks working at local, state and federal level. >> and tom, as this continues out, obviously as i said at the top to chief ramsey, we would be having a different conversation if those two capitol police officers were not there today. democrats, republicans should be able to practice baseball in the morning. what do you think the conversations will be today, tomorrow, and next week as this gets a little bit in the rearview bloir security needs to be improved? >> i think for now, everybody is going to say it needs to be improved. this is the same discussion we had in 2011 at the tucson shooting. everybody's going to say we need to protect congress members and we need to do this and we need to do that. by about six months from now, it doesn't happen and kind of gets forgot be. other things take the news. that's the unfortunate thing in these incidents that nothing changed after the last one other than the leaders of the house, obviously, in this case,
representative scalise, will a key tail to protect him. but nobody else did. so if he hadn't been there, there would be no protection and we'd have a massacre on our hands. >> and chief ramsey, in the sense of how the d.c. police department in this case it was alexandria, in your experience, you bring in other law enforcement agencies. what are the pros that and any worries about bureaucracy as they try to piece this together? >> no, it's remarkable how well the agencies work together. tom is absolutely right. these agencies all work together on a regular basis within the national capitol region. it's pretty seamless. everybody comes together. roles and responsibilities are laid out. and you go to work. so it's really not as complicated as some.who work outside of the beltway may think. they'll get to the bottom of this, whatever assistance they need from capitol police, alexandria police, police in illinois, whatever they need,
the nba will get. >> i want to thank you for your insights on this difficult day. helps us look back at the horror that happened this morning and how the investigation will go looking forward. a somber day on capitol hill. more details coming to us. stay with us. our live coverage continues after a quick break with wolf blitzer. "how to win at business." step one: point decisively with the arm of your glasses. abracadabra. the stage is yours. step two: choose la quinta. the only hotel where you can redeem loyalty points for a free night-instantly and win at business.
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one that keeps you connected to what matters most. this is cnn breaking news. >> we're following breaking news here in the nation's capital. a gunman opens fire during a congressional baseball practice. the shooting appears to be deliberate. >> he asked me if this team was the republican or democrat team practicing. i responded that it was the republican team practicing. and he proceeded to shoot republicans. >> i looked outside and saw the man with the gun. he was crouched behind wooden pieces of the stand. >> i hear a loud bam and look around and behind third base in the third base dugout which is sinner block, i see a rifle and then i hear another bethlehem an