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senator huor hewey long died. we often forget how much our public officials sacrifice for their services. it is no doubt of an unsettling day to be in the office holder. we at cnn thinking of all of you. i am jake tapper, i will be back tomorrow for "the lead" at 4:00 p.m. eastern. thank you for joining us. good evening from washington, there is a lot going on tonight. news breaking just night of the russian investigation directly involved of the president of united states. people are terribly shaken here. four people in were in the building around me, steve scalise were shot this morning and others was hurt. many more around the country, they have been wounded in ways no doctors could heal.
today the action, the ugly service of some agenda ushered the shooter into a disgrace long line of people attacking violence of every strikes. we have been through this before whether it is oklahoma city, or tucson, aerizona. this morning it happened again. it did not just happen. he's dead. the fbi want your help if you know anything about him which is the only reason we are showing his picture and as well as his name, jameshodgkinson. we are not making this newscast about him. tonight we are focusing on the survivors and first responders and everyone else who stepped up in the wake of the mass shooting
>> shoot him, shoot him [ bleep ]! >> when the shoot out was over, the gunman was mortally wounded and later died at the hospital. congressman scalise sustained wound to the hips. he's listed in critical condition right now. two capitol police officers were hurt and one was shot and others suffered of what authorities are calling a secondary injury. zach barth was shot in the leg. he was treated and released tonight. he works as an aid. the congressman i spoke with earlier this evening. >> thank you very much for being with us. how are you doing? >> i am doing good. >> your foot -- >> well, i got a problem with my leg and ankle, you know i dove into a dugout about six foot deep, it is like in a swimming pool without water but i am okay. >> when the shots began, i understand that you were hitting
ground balls? >> i was on the third base side hitting ground ball to trent kelly. i finished with him and went around. that moment the perpetrator had to be 20 yard to the side of me and i came around to hit the ball to steve scalise and i hit the ground ball to him and shots rang out. >> you have not seen the perpetrator? >> i had not. my first thought was a car backfired or something and they started coming one after another and everybody yelling he's got a gun. i dove in the dugout with a lot of my colleagues and took coverage there. zach barth, he got hit. >> was he aware he had been hit? >> he ran towards the dugout, too. >> he was hit in the leg >> he dove in. he dove on top of me and we both held each other and my colleague
jeff flake and mo brooks took his belt off and tieing around his leg from keep on bleeding. there is a lot of heroes today. if the capitol police were not there, i am afraid we all have been dead. >> they were able to distract the gunman and lead him away. snl >> we had nothing. we were at baseball practice, we had bats. the shooter was trying to get in the field. another blessing was the gate on the third base side, the gate was locked so he could not get in the field. >> could you see the shooter once you were in the dugout? >> i never saw the shooter. a lot of my colleagues did because they were different ankles. one thing we did not want to do is raise our heads in the dugout. that's six feet deep. it is fortunate that it was not a dugout that's not in the ground. that was a blessing, too. >> i did not see it but i heard it. it must have been 60 rounds.
i cannot tell you that thin blue line, it worked today. the capitol police. >> there are two capitol police officers of scary details for the congressman that were injured in this. do -- were you aware that they were returning fire? can you hear the volume of shots? >> it was boom, boom, boom, and we were not aware and from one ma angle, i can see the police stand ing and he was firing. i was remembering some of us yelling, is that our fire or his fire. police i think they got there in three or four minutes. >> the sandalexandria police. >> were you aware when the shooter with us down at the end?
>> we were all down and then the shots just stopped but nobody was willing to move and then the police said lets go and they took us to a staging area, all of us so they can find out who was there and so forth. then of course, steve scalise, was taken care of by a few of my colleagues that were there to help him. zach barth, the young man that worked for us, we got him to the hospital. >> how is he doing? >> he's doing great. we got his dad in houston so his dad is here together tonight. he's been released out of the hospital. it is a blessing that we saw today. he along others are safe. >> he was in right field. >> so he came all the way. he got shot in right field. >> wow. >> we are not sure which bullet that was but he made it all the way in the dugout and dove in
and saying i am sh"i am shot, i shot." there is nothing wrong of having strong political believes but not viewing other people as people and to have your believes think that it is appropriate to do something like this is sickening. >> it is, our country is built on debates and fair and square elections of that sort of thing. this is something that brought congress together. it is a wake up call that we can agree to disagree but at the end of the day, we are one, we represent the people of america. america mattis greis the greate of the world. when we punch america, we punch back. people need to understand that. i got many friends of the democratic side that we share a lot of common values together, one of which is baseball. we'll play a ball game tomorrow night. >> it is important for you that the ball goes on. >> it is very important. i talked to speaker ryan today,
we want to play the ball game. i think if we don't play the ball game those, may think that we won and we lost our will. we are not, we are going to play the ball game and it is for charity. i hope that tomorrow night nat's stadium is filled to the capacity. >> i am glad that you are okay and all the others. >> i appreciate the capitol police very much. >> thank you very much. a lot of heroic work. we got words that the president is going to visit the hospital tonight. doctor sanjay jgupta is joining us. what kind of injuries he could have sustained after being shot in the hips and what does critical mean? >> with the hips, there is no vital organs in the area but
there is blood vessels in the area and it can be injured. with this sort of injuries, you can have the abdomen affected as well. we don't know the extent of his injuries. what we do know anderson, at the scene, he was reported by his office to be stable and good spirit and talking his wife on the cell phone and by the time he arrived at the hospital, via helicopter just a few minutes of five to ten minutes away, as you pointed out he was listed in critical condition at that point. within a few minutes being described from going to stable condition and critical condition and that typically means that your blood pressure and heart rate are no longer stable and it is a much more concerning condition. he was taken to the operating room and he was in the operating room for several hours and he remain in critical condition. that's how the hospital has sort of described him and i should point out, they're not saying he's in critical and stable
condition which they could describe in critical conditions. that's concerning. we don't know what that all means in terms of specific injuries. we know they have been trying to address those injuries most of the day, anderson >> right, handgun and a rifle was krecovered at the scene >> when you think of a rifle, the big thing to think about here because it has a longer barrel, the bullet can just travel much faster. that's the important point. that's the speed of the bullet that's one of the most important predictors of the kind of injuries that's going to be caused. that's why a rifle injuries is going to be much more concerning from the medical perspective than a handgun injuries and even without, it can cause a blast injury to the body even if it does not come in the range of a blood vessels and a blast that
can cause injuries that the medical team and trauma team has to anticipate and think about. given that he seems to be described by his office stable and a few short time of five to ten minutes depending on how long that transport was in country cal conditi critical condition, you have to think of was there a bleeding or something else that caused him to change his condition. >> i always wish him the best. sanjay, thank you very much, coming up more of our investigation of our law enforcement expert and the chief of capitol police. and breaking news of russia probe. robert mueller's obstruction investigation now reaches to the very top, breaking news. [ snoring ] [ deep sleep snoring ]
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question of whether or not he obstruct justice. >> adam, this is extraordinary reporting. explain to viewers why it is significant. >> he needs to understand that when comey spoke to the senate intelligence committee last week, he had assured and explained how he had assured trump that he was not being investigated personally. what we have learned here is that in fact there was a change within the fbi and they were investigating him for potential obstruction and what we learned is that also there were a series of interviews that the special counsel had arranged with top intelligence officials with part of that investigation. >> based on your reporting, that change came about as i understand it because of the firing of comey. >> right. you know obviously comey
testified that was his intentions in leaking the memos detailing communications with the president. it is what we learned is actually at this decision to open this file if you will on trump was made actually before the special counsel was actually named which was just a few days later. >> for president trump, the irony is his own actions in firing comey actually led to then this evolution, ultimately led to this special counsel and led to the special counsel according to your reporting and investigating him for obstructi obstruction. >> when you think about it, when comey in his first meeting with president-elect trump, he ass e assures trump that he's not a target of the investigation that's under way. he's trying to reassure him and at the same time, he's obviously
taken notes after the fact of everything that trump says to him during that meeting and subsequent meetings. you can understand why trump is very frut straigstrated. he was getting private assurances that he was not the subject of this investigation and yet publicly comey would not say these things and so you get to the frame of mind here it is unable that trump would have been frustrated. what we don't know is after the fbi decides to investigate potential obstruction in this case, is the president informed? is there an effort to try to correct this impression, this assurance that comey had provided to trump. we don't know the answer to that. >> you also report that the director of national intelligence and mi intelligence and admiral rogers and coats were -- is it possible
one of the reasons they did not want to go in details because they had been asked to appear before mueller? >> yes, we don't know the answer to that. we adopt know, that makes sense, it is a logical way of interpreting this. i think you know rogers did appear before the senate intelligence committee earlier this week before closed doors and in contrast to his public appearance earlier in that closed door sessions, he was forthcoming of a phone call that he received from trump towards in march in which the president sq asked rogers and a similar call made to coats and publicly dispute of any evidence of coordination between the trump campaign and the russians. >> even if he does find evidence
of obstruction that the president tried to obstruct justice, it is not clear and it seems unlikely that the department of justice would bring criminal charges against the president of the united states. that's something that would be done on capitol hill, they would try to whatever mueller found, it would really be up to capitol hill to figure out what to do with it, is that right? >> it becomes a political decision. is there going to be sufficient movement on the hill to go with an impeachment option? i am skeptical that step would be taken at this point. the thing to keep in mind here and we are reporting tonight that there is this expansion of the investigation to include obstruction but there was already a previous expansion o f the investigation which was looking into jared kushner, the
son-in-law of the president and top adviser, for this special prosecutor, special counsel to go after kushner, that does not require and meet the same, you know, high requirements that it would be for going after the president if such a decision were taken. and i do want to caution here that this is obviously something that may never results in accusations being brought in terms of charges by special counsel. he may interview other people and decide that there is no obstruction or no case he can bring on obstruction. it is really a preliminary moment. we are seeing effectively of a file being opened here within the fbi to basically look at obstruction. that does not mean that that's where mueller is going to go at the end. >> adam, extraordinary reporting as usual, thank you very much
for the washington post, appreciate your time. >> the panel is going to talk about this and when we come back of the latest of today's shooting and what we know of the shooter and more of what happened and the conditions of the others who are injured. we'll be right back. tech: when you schedule with safelite autoglass, you get time for more life. this family wanted to keep the game going. son: hey mom, one more game? tech: with safelite, you get a text when we're on our way. you can see exactly when we'll arrive. mom: sure. bring it!
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before the break, you heard adam reporting from the washington post tonight of muller's investigation which could now directly touch the president. dan coats will meet tomorrow with members of senate of the intelligence committee. he will testify in closed session. certainly a lot to talk about, joining us now, jeff tubin, how big a deal is this legally for the president of the united states that he's a subject of an fbi investigation to obstruction of justice. >> anderson, it is a huge deal and i don't hate to tell you that i told you so. i mean -- when you listen to
james comey's testimony about how the president tried to get him to drop the investigation and then you see that he fired comey when he did not drop the investigation, that's evidence of obstruction of justice, when you combine it with the apparent and i say apparent conversations between trump and the director of national intelligence, the director of nsa trying to stop this investigation in other ways, that's worth investigating someone from obstruction of justice. does not mean that trump is guilty or there is an indictment or impeachment or anything like that. there is clearly evidence that justifies this and the washington post just makes clear that mueller is doing his job and we'll see how it goes. >> gloria, the irony of this, the president was told three times by robert mueller that he's not the subject of any
investigation by the fbi by comey, but he's now. >> he is, this is all self sabotage when you think about. if he had not fired comey, comey would not believe, perhaps that the president was obstructing and as he testifietestifies, ont fired, it was clear that was what was going on through his mind and he decided when the president mentions there maybe tapes, he decided to leak a memo through a friend that wound up in the newspaper and then in the new york times and -- >> with the idea of getting a special counsel. he wanted mueller to know about this. that's why a special counsel was appointed. when you look at this whole, you know, events, all of them, you have to think that in a way that donald trump did this to himself. >> and david, we are judicious
in the watergate incident, it is the cover. there maybe no russia collusion or improper behavior of russia at all and there maybe still obstruction of justice. >> gloria's point is well taken. every case is appointed by the justice department. it is because the person being investigated brought on himself. david frost after he left the presidency, what happens? i gave my enemy the sword and then they ran me through and trump may have done something of the same thing. if we must be cautious as adam pointed out because there is no finding o f guilt of any of this. the washington post says that is major turning point of what mueller and the special counsel is doing. there is now a three prong investigation of donald trump and the people around him.
first, is the investigation of russia and with the meddling of coordination with the trump and associates. second, there is an investigation of whether there is been any financial crimes committed by any of the parties and now we have this third prong of investigation of the president himself on possible obstruction of justice. this probe and mueller, we also know is now hiring a first class, very tough minded, a team of investigators. some of the real pros that are out there coming join him. this is taking a turn. this is much more dangerous for donald trump than what they are started with the russia issue. >> can coats aoats and rogers a cooperating. coats and rogers came under a
lot of criticism for not being forthcoming about their conversations with the president. the president did not invoke executive privilege, they just said they did not want to talk about it. is it possible that now one of the reasons they did not want to talk about is because this knew this is investigated by mueller? >> well, you know anderson, i would not want to read their minds in that way. i don't know what they are thinking. i do know that they are out of options to refuse to talk about it because now that there is obstruction of justice investigation. if mueller wants to call them before the grand jury and even if donald trump decides to invoke executive privilege of, the court will reject that. in 1974, the supreme court case of the united states of nixon, criminal investigations by and large trump's executives
privilege. coats and the nsa director are going to tell their story to mueller one way or another, i don't know what that story is going to be but that story will be told and mueller will consider it and deciding how to proceed. >> when the president said all alone, i am not under investigation, i guess he can no longer say that in the white house statement tonight from the person involved with his outside counsel. there is no evidence in his article that any of these leaks came from the fbi. >> right, we don't know and we don't know if the white house knows what i read in the washington post today >> right. >> they may not have known of this investigation had expanded. to tie this up to attorney general sessions yesterday, this is exactly why the president is
so mad that the attorney general recused himse recu recused himself from the russia investigation. he thought attorney sessions could put a stop to it. of course, since he was not there, he did not and now he's got this special counsel so we have an investigation that started out as russian meddling in the election and clearly expanded to include the president himself. >> we talked about this time and time again, how many times have we have seen investigation that is started out with one thing and expanded into something else completely. >> absolutely. what we have been talking have just come true and i cannot emphasize how dangerous this is for the president. our country, i think there is a possibility that donald trump was told that he's now under investigation and why hesitate been hearingrumblings out of
the white house that he's thinking about firing mueller. he's got a lot of push back. worth remembering what a personal nightmare to be under criminal investigation. what it is like to wake up every morning to know that there is a team of skilled lawyers, fbi agents looking at the possibility to put you in prison. now the president is -- who's a sensitive soul is going to deal with it. >> on top of all that as president, he has that now. the president calls for unity after the shooting and we'll hear from a former capitol police chief of the work of the capitol police today.
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is a traitor and it is time to destroy trump." the president is quick to react and is under criticism for what he said. today his remarks threw partisan praise. >> we may have our differences but we do well in times like these to remember everyone who serves in our nation's capitol is here because above all, they love our country. we can all agree that we are blessed to be americans and our children deserve to grow up in a safety of peace and we are strongest when we are unified and when we work together for the common good >> more now from our professionals and police
officers who did the hard work today. >> chief, witnesses are saying if it was not for our capitol officers, this would have been worst. >> absolutely, and they deserve every bit of praise they are getting. as you know with the capitol police and what police do everywhere across the country is balance safety and security and they also have to know when to act and when to slow things down because we always talk about in police shootings in slowing the scene down. the active shooter is reacting quickly and professionally and that's exactly what they did today. they are definitely true heroes. >> can you explain, chief, for capitol police of what their regular duties are, chief dine? >> well, we absolutely give them, they get all types of
special training because not only do they do what we'll call regular routine police work around this district of columbia and capitol hill, they provide dignitary protection and policing, which is very unique. that security takes a lot of patience and attention details and relent less focus to make sure nothing is out of order so they can react as they did today. >> and as well as a number of other training pieces. >> i think a lot of people were surprised today to realize that there is a lot of congressmen who don't have security around them at all times. it would have been up to
alexandria police. >> you are right. if it was not for the fact that the congressman was here, there would not be any shooter at the scene immediately. we heard reports of the police department was here in three minutes. you can do a lot of damage in three minutes. the shocking thing is when you listen to the video of the cell phone video how extended and how long that shooting scenario went on for. it seemed like they went on forever. i am sure for the congressman at the ball field, it seems that way also. >> chief dine, i have read studies that the fbi have done analyzing every active shooting in the united states going back all the way to columbine and if memori memory serves me correct, most of the deaths all taken place of the first six minutes. again, it emphasizes how important it was to have that
detailed there. do you think things are going to change or need to change in terms of rethinking the level of protection that congressmen get? >> well, first of all, you are right in terms of that you just mentioned and most of those incidents are not only of duration but closer in proximity. this is a very long in duration and again, it highlights the incredible amount of work that they did today and how professional it was. we never talk about tactics or safety. i can tell you the congress of the united states is so supportive. that was always wonderful to see, that's one time where things are truly bipartisan. and as they always do and cobit to do and look at best practices and continue to look at best practice and training pieces to
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wounded. the names of the special agents that we have been given by police are crystal griner, david bailey, and henry cabrera. griner, the one shot in the ankle, is in the hospital in good condition. bailey sustained a minor injury and has been released. all tonight being hailed as here rose for stopping what many are calling a potential slaughter. >> the officers were there specifically for scalise. i guess -- i mentioned this earlier. a lot of people are surprised that other congress people didn't have protection. >> that's right. scalise is the gop whip. he is in the leadership and only leadership gets protection. none of the other 21 members on the field get protection which begs the question what would have happened had scalise not been there. should members of congress have more security? >> appreciate the update. steve scalise's wife and two young kids coming from washington from new orleans to
be with him. he was shot in the hip. the latest report is that he was in critical condition after the surgery. as majority whip, he is the third ranking republican in the house. randi kaye has more on the congressman. >> reporter: representative steve scalise wag doing what he loved when he was shot, playing baseball. >> feeling really good. we're defending the title. we're bringing it. we're coming with a hungry attitude. we're competitive by nature. when you get to go out on a major league ballpark and play a kid's game, there's nothing like it. >> reporter: that was the republican congressman last week. he is well-known for his love of the game. posting this on twitter a couple years back. as he prepared for that year's big congressional showdown. >> thank you for that. >> reporter: scalise represents the first congressional district of louisiana. he was elected to the house back in 2008. replacing bobby jindal who ran for governor. he later won a tough battle in 2012 to serve as chairman as the
most conservative block of republicans known as the republican study committee. in 2014 after house majority leader eric canter lost his primary, scalise jumped into the race. during that campaign, questions were raised about a speech he gave to a group led by former ku klux klan member david duke in 2002. he said i detest any kind of hate group. he went on to be elected house majority whip making him the third most powerful republican in the house. congressman steve scalise is a staunch conservative, an advocate of fiscal discipline, lower taxes and a robust national defense. he supported legislation that would establish english as the official language of the united states and that would de-fund planned parenthood. he's also worked to protect constitutional rights like freedom of speech. scalise has often railed against obamacare.
>> by a bunch of members ready to go and rescue people from obamacare. >> reporter: he has tangled with al gore over the cap in trade energy tax. in 2010 after the bp oil spill off the coast of his home state of louisiana, steve scalise was quick to take on the white house. >> where is the president? does he not understand the magnitude of what is probably the worst environmental disaster in the country? then we get get mixed messages from his cabinet secretaries who come down and they say, looks like they are satisfied with the coordination going on. >> reporter: he is a loyal supporter of president donald trump who even recorded a birthday message for scalise's daughter, madison. >> madison, happy birthday. listen to this man. he is a powerful, powerful man. >> listen to the president, madison. happy birthday. >> reporter: before joining congress, scalise graduated
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we're following two stories tonight. the russia investigation. late reporting that it must or may directly touch the president of the united states. according to "the washington post," robert mueller is taking steps to determine whether the president obstructed justice. we will have details later. in addition to that, we are continuing to cover our breaking story, our main story. late developments in the wake of this morning's shooting that left two people badly wounded, including congressman steve scalise. the president is visiting the hospital tonight where the congressman is being treated. an official warning we might only spend time with the congressman's -- with the congressman's family because the congressman may be in no condition yet to be seen.
he and others were wounded on a ball field this morning in alexandria, virginia. the would be assassin opened fire on anyone he could hit as he tried to turn a baseball diamond into a killing ground. after a shootout with authorities, he is dead. [ gunshots ] >> shots being fired. there are people running, possibly victims involved. >> 7:09 a.m., shots fired. >> i still got shots being fired. >> it was a congressional baseball team practice for a charity game. that abruptly turned into a morning of terror. >> walking around the baseball field, i saw a man with a very large gun. >> within a few seconds, all of a sudden there were multiple gunshots being fired. >> the gunman firing bullets on a quiet suburban baseball field