tv CNN Tonight With Don Lemon CNN June 15, 2017 8:00pm-9:01pm PDT
this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. there's breaking news about the president's son-in-law and top aides is under investigation by the special counsel. and bill cosby's jury still unable to reach a verdict after four days of deliberations. we've got lots to talk about tonight. i want to get to my panel. david is here, laura, and simone sanders, kevin madden and maria
cardona. so good to have all of you. shields pulling double duty. david we'll get to the ball game in a moment. and this bipartisanship at least washington is talking about doing. i want to talk about the business of jared kushner, his business dealings now, his finances investigated by the special counsel. and that the president is under investigation for obstruction of justice. this investigation is expanding quickly. >> to use a phrase that sean spicer, it speaks for itself, don. as a part of this ongoing cloud of smoke, this gathering cloud of smoke that involves jared kushner meeting with sergey, his role in the white house, his role in the transition, his role in the campaign, we don't know if he is guilty of anything yet.
he hasn't been charged with anything yet. but it would be standard procedure, and a special counsel investigation, to look into any financial -- >> here's what jared kushner's lawyer is saying in a statement tonight. we do not know what this report refers to. it could be standard practice for the special counsel to examine financial records to look for anything related to russia. mr. kushner previously volunteered to share with congress what he knows about russia related matters. he will do the same if he is contacted in connection with any other inquiry. what's your reaction to that? >> it may turn up nothing. but this is part and parcel of this long drawn-out investigation that we're in for. the idea that any one of these little new additions of information is going to be the body blow that, you know, unravels this whole mystery or takes down the administration, that's not going to happen. on the other hand, the idea that any one of these stories on its own is going to vindicate kushner or president trump on their own is not going to happen. we're going to find out one way
or the other, if there's any collusion, maybe there is, maybe there's not, we're going to find out one way or the other if there's any obstruction of justice. >> laura, speak to us about the significance of this. we spoke last hour, that this doesn't necessarily mean guilt. you know, less than 150 days in office, the president is reportedly under investigation. his son-in-law, and the finances being looked at. how much trouble is this for the administration? >> it's a great deal of trouble. politically speaking, of course, and legally, it's no picnic to have the fbi have a devoted person whose singular focus is to determine whether or not you violated the law. yes, it could ultimately come up that they are completely exonerated in some way, and vindicated. but realistically speaking, this is an indication this is going to be a thorough and very wide sweeping dragnet. there are people closer and closer to the president's orbit. with michael flynn, he, too, is
under investigation for his financial dealings. the prosecutors in this case, the special counsel are saying to themselves, let's follow the money trail. that's the lowest hanging fruit you'll have for collusion, for figure out if unwittingly or wittingly someone was engaged in that practice. this is telling you a very clear indication, on vuks is not the only goal here to actually figure out that it actually happened. it's really the end game of figuring out what was the collusion in the counterintelligence probe. >> i need to get your response to this as well. this is just coming in. robert mueller expands a special counsel office, has brought in 13 lawyers onboard with more to be hired according to spokesman peter carr. >> that tells you even a wider dragnet. this is not where you have one or two people who can do the full investigation. a probe is designed to figure out whether or not there was any witting or unwitting people who were involved with the foreign
entity to the demise of the united states. in doing so, you can't have one person who's pushing a lot of paper around, one bureaucrat in d.c. who is active. you have to have people taking very different angles, the obstruction angle, collusion, finances. that's why investigators are interviewing coats and rogers and everyone else, because they have to take a very wide approach. what this tells you is good news for the president of the united states, that there's not a narrow focus here. while he is now part of the probe and has by his own actions brought the magnifying glass above his head, anything is game. it tells you, of course, the focus, if it's not narrow, they don't know yet what they're looking for. it could be anything. that can in a way, that's not going to appease the president or make him feel comfortable, but it's a way of saying, look, we do not know yet what we have. which is why we cannot be
presumptuous. >> you've been around washington for a while. not saying anything about your age or anything. >> i earned all these gray hairs. >> you're a republican. and if you're in the white house, if you're part of the administration, you hire 13 attorneys, what are you thinking? >> i think laura's right, talking about the history of how the special counsel investigations work. this is an indication right now that it's a very thorough investigation, that it is potentially much wider. but i think the main worry i would have is, this goes to the politics of it, that it may take potentially longer. and right now, one of the big challenges this white house has is that it has a very ambitious agenda. it has control of both houses of congress. and has a lot of things it wants to get done. but this continues to really pull them away from their central core focus on things like the economy, and national security, and other big ticket items. and serves as a distraction. every day that the white house
is on offense of what they want to do of what motivated voters to support donald trump in the first place is really a lost day. so every single day we see that the president and white house staff having to litigate this, makes it potentially more -- >> i would be nervous about this if i worked for donald trump. because, you know -- >> the wider part of it, yeah. >> right. there's theory, i don't know if it's true, that a theory that we all commit three felonies a day. if you followed me around all day, you could put pretty much -- >> i don't know about you, okay. >> i'll steer clear. >> what are you doing? >> my point is, look, starts off as a land deal in arkansas, and ends up with the president, you know, perjuring himself. or starts off with a valerie plaim leak and ends up with scooter libby. i think that, you know, it could be that there's no collusion, that there's no fundamental problem. but if you lie to the fbi, you
go to jail. there could be a lot of people who did some things that, you know, weren't on the up-and-up. somebody's probably going to go down at some point i would think. >> there's something that laura said. i really think donald trump and his administration, but mainly donald trump brought this upon himse himself. it is his tweets, the things that he said. he said about james comey, he tweeted james comey better hope there aren't any tapes. they dropped the memo, well, i have a tweet. perhaps this investigation would not have become so extensive had donald trump exercised some level of restraint. >> yeah. >> and the vice president himself is now nervous as well. >> he's hiring his outside counsel. >> everyone's nervous, even proactively before the noose is closer to them. >> mike shields?
>> look, you hear the tone of what we were talking about. kushner hasn't been charged yet. the walls are closing in. this is what washington does with one of these things. it sort of creates this tear of guilty by just coverage. coverage makes you guilty. the fact of the matter is, there's been scores of investigators looking at this russia thing for months now. they haven't found anything. there's literally the only thing -- 50i78 harping on it tonight -- it's illegal leaks. no one has been found guilty of anything. >> the point about the language -- >> but now we're talking about -- >> maybe we should be careful to say, people are innocent, all of them, until proven guilty. just because you're interviewed by somebody doesn't mean they're part of a grand jury investigation. they're being looked at. nothing has happened to them yet, people watching are thinking probably something is there. a lot of people will probably say, that's kind of what i mean -- >> i think we can all be a
little more careful with our language, but i think that's just the vernacular that people -- >> well, that's why the president's pushing back so hard on this. >> you might understand why he gets so aggressively pushing back when he watches this kind of -- >> no, no. >> something probably happened. >> is he under investigation when he started crooked hillary? he's the one who started about talking about people being guilty, when nothing had been found. so i'm sorry, if this kind of language bothers him, he brought it upon himself, just like every single thing that has happened up to now. you could point back and say, geez, if he just stopped his twitter fingers from going happily on his phone, he wouldn't be in half of the hot water as he is right now. to your point, kevin, i agree with you that he could easily try to distract us from all of this russia collusion, perhaps treason, obstruction of justice
if he focused on his agenda, which i'm sure the republicans would love. >> this is exactly the point i'm trying to make. >> but let me -- >> wait, wait. >> that actually dovetails from the previous -- >> let me be quite precise on this point. i think you're harping on an issue that really avoids the forest for the trees. the point is this, one person who is to blame for this language that talks about very ominous and looming is james comey. because it has been a long-standing tradition that people don't comment on acting investigations for the very reasons you spoke of. the tar and feathering that happens in the court of public opinion and public square is precisely why people condemn james comey. now that he has started the pendulum in motion toward that arena, people are talking about things in the ominous tone you're talking about. it's not just the media who does it. it was the former director of the fbi. in doing so, it points out this particular point. you cannot discuss an active investigation, because it makes the public believe that there is
far more to it. ultimately there may be exoneration here. but the problem here is what they're talking about, the president of the united states by not recognizing the fact that it's an active ongoing investigation is commenting on it in a way and making proactive steps where he's creating a greater issue. >> we'll be right back after this. whoooo.
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need to be thorough. leaders of both parties calling for unity tonight and call for people on both sides of the political aisle to tone down harsh language. back with my panel. i want to put these tweets up and talk about scripted or teleprompter trump versus twitter trump. he said, this was -- he said they made up a phony collusion with russia. the russia story today found zero proof. now they go gor obstruction of justice on the phony story. nice. he said you're witnessing the single greatest witch hunt in american history. and also, he talked about, i think there was a crooked hillary tweet today as well. my question is, do you think he grasps the severity of it. but not only that, but do you think he understands the
difference between when he does something like when he sent out the video message today to the congressmen and people who were playing ball, and when he talks about david bailey and crystal griner and say they should be commended, that that resonates and the other things may not resonate? >> of course, he does. not only the statement at the baseball game today, but the statement he gave yesterday. these tweets are about pushing back on a political investigation of him. and he's using politics to push back on it and using his twitter account that he's done since running for office. it goes right past washington, d.c., past the media out to the american people. that's the way he wants to communicate with people. he's been pretty successful in doing that. then we show it on the screen and it gets to the american people. >> but my point and i want david to respond to this, if you are fighting something legally, does the court of public opinion matter? shouldn't he be doing -- having that fight with his attorneys, and doing it in a smarter way
than maybe contradicting himself? something that attorneys can use? or even people on the other side of the political aisle can use? >> the court of public opinion matters and the legal fight matters if you're president trump. to your point, don, he's working at cross-purposes to a degree in this. yes, mike is right, he's communicating over the heads of the media, to his core supporters. but at the same time that he's sort of rallying the troops, he's also signaling to the rest of america the -- not the 38% of people who have the favorable view of him, but everybody else, that he's not taking the legal fight seriously, and that he's not approaching it in a way that we would typically describe as presidential. i just take this opportunity just to address one thing from what we were talking about before. you made a good point before about talking about when we say there's an investigation using the word "yet." let's get that out of the way. you're right. everybody's innocent until proven guilty.
you're right, we shouldn't say yet. now that that's out of the way, all the other issues still apply. we need answers to the question, why the president has been so solicitous of russia. we need answers to the question, why during a transition jared kushner is plegt with the head of a russian bank. we need answer to the question why was comey fired. >> very, very quickly, first of all, this was already -- this story was already out. it's interesting that it's suddenly news again. now he's a white house offerings who has taken on a foreign policy portfolio. it shouldn't be shocking that he's meeting with people. so, look -- >> it's not shocking. >> but why don't we add that context? when we say breathlessly, oh, my gosh, there's a leak, jared kushner is under investigation, for something that may have been part of his duties as a transition official. >> that's a long thing to -- >> apparently too long for a lot of people in washington. >> jared kushner being under
investigation is not false. >> when we say, when you're explaining, you're losing. there are so many things that we have to explain. we have to put context to them when we talk about jared kushner, the president. there are so many things. we shouldn't have to add all that context. >> the media should have a responsibility to add the context to make sure they don't alter the context. absolutely. >> i don't think they're offering it, though. >> let's assume the media is not giving donald trump a fair shake. isn't it incumbent upon a politician to try to get good press? and if they get continuously, if they have their agenda derailed, is it the onus on them to say we have to figure out how to control the message, develop relationships with the press? if lynn november siger got bad press for reagan, they'll say, we're not doing a good job. >> i don't understand why you or others, every time that i'm here, and i try to criticize the way the media has covered donald
trump, it immediately comes back to it's donald trump's fault. i've been working in politics for 20 years, and i've seen conservatives not get a fair shake from the media. the media, if you look at the data, where media members give money to, who they vote for in primaries, they lean to the left. this is something that's been going on for years and years. >> hold them a little more accountable. be more self-reflective of their own -- >> for every action there is an equal reaction. they are the crooked media. they're not -- >> it needs to -- >> well, i'm not -- >> do you want the media to say, no -- >> i would like the president of the united states to be better. why is the bar so low for donald trump? >> it performs a vital role in american politics. i want the media to be self-reflective and ask themselves why the public is losing faith in them.
>> this is what the media hears when you say that. we want positive stories about donald trump. that's not the media's job. the media's job is to report. the reporting is not always positive. >> >> how about asking the media if something is right or wrong? anytime we push back, anytime the trump campaign pushes back on us as newspapers, or tv networks, the pushback is, fake news. it's not about the fact -- look at rob rosenstein's statement that came out tonight. he didn't say that the story in the washington post was wrong. he said, beware of anonymous leaks. that's not the same as saying the story is wrong. so if the idea is to hold the media accountable, the way to hold the media accountable is to say, if we get it wrong, point it out. not to say we're liberal or fake news. that's not true. >> when we come right back, this could be awkward.
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the president. i'm going to give this to kevin. you've been awfully quiet. >> i'm enjoying this. i'm learning a lot. >> he's taking notes. >> i want to play this clip from the australian prime minister mocking the president. at the mid-winter ball, which is like the white house correspondent dinner. basically their white house correspondent dinner. watch. >> donald and i. we are winning in the polls. we are winning so much. we are winning in the polls. not the fake polls. not the fake polls. they're the ones we're not winning. we're winning in the real polls. you know, the online polls. they are so easy to win.
i didn't know that. did you know that? i kind of know that. how do you know that? they are so easy to win. believe me, it is true. it is true. >> what do you think? >> well, you know, traditionally, so many of our allies are very cognizant about how important their relationship with the united states is to their standing on the international stage. and so many of our allies that are leaders, like prime minister turn bull, have gone to great lengths to build up presidents' profiles domestically inside their own country. so i think that this is certainly a challenge right now that he believes that, you know, he can get away with this type of mockery of our president. and, you know, our relationships have changed since president obama has come into office. not to read too much into it --
>> >> like the white house correspondent dinner. >> not to read too much into it. i think we would be hard pressed to find that type of mockery in the past. this is certainly a challenge that i hope the white house takes seriously. because they need these type of relationships to be very strong. >> i was a little uncomfortable watching it. then i remembered, like, look at what we do at the white house correspondents dinner. we make fun of ourselves. and very mocking tones. and self-deprecating and everyone is okay with it. >> kevin brought up a good point, which is, i don't think we've seen this before. i think there's a theme tonight, which is that a lot of what president trump's white house is going through, he brought it upon himself. he kind of brought this upon himself. can we remember, like with the phone call with the australian prime minister? and how he was insulted by it? there's an irony to this. one of the big pitches for trump during the campaign is that when
he became president, the whole world was going to respect america again. that nobody was going to make fun of us ever again. >> stand by. play this clip. play this clip. >> at what boint does america get demeaned? at what point do they start laughing at us? we don't want other leaders and other countries laughing at us anymore. and they won't be. they won't be. >> this is so ironic. they were laughing at him about two weeks before when he was giving that egregious speech. so, you know, i just -- >> you know what, though, i don't doubt they're laughing at him in syria right now. i don't think assad is laughing at him. i don't know why the north koreans gave back a hostage, but they did. you know, i've been very critical of donald trump. >> very bad conditions, by the way. >> true. true.
i've been very critical of donald trump, and i think fairly so. but i think the one area we are better off in terms of -- i think people are a little more afraid of us than they used to be. that's a good thing when there are bad actors. >> but let's talk about the -- >> i want to -- >> but our allies think we're giving up global leadership. >> no, listen, on specifically the australia issue -- >> they're saying we are leaving a void on the global stage of -- >> i think -- >> i think president obama's weakness invited a lot of provocation, including putin and russia. i've been critical of donald trump. but i actually think some of the stuff other countries tried to get away with when obama was president, they will think twice. >> well, that's a good point. in 2014, obama got australia, the eu, the uk, et cetera, together and put the sanctions regime in place against putin
that remains today. that was obama. president trump has talked tough. he hasn't done anything on that -- >> to that point with obama. the reason the first occur fufful came up, he struck a deal on refugees that trump would accept as soon as he came into office. the reason they got into a dustup which i think president trump would say, yeah, what i said was, i'm not accepting that deal. if you don't like it, i'm going to hang the phone up on you. they're not laughing at him when they're trying to make the policy on refugees. they may make a joke at a dinner, but they're not laughing at him when they're saying, let's put one over on him -- >> the iranians got our -- the sailors, i don't think that happens with donald trump as president. >> you all have to be kidding me. you all have to be kidding me. >> i don't think iran -- no, i don't think our sailors -- >> what i'm hearing from y'all
is -- what i'm hearing is you think america is in better standing with donald trump as president. >> absolutely right. absolutely right. >> absolutely? >> yes. >> why do you -- you disagree? why? >> north korea, putin, when you have angela merkel -- >> is that why -- >> that's exactly why they're doing that. >> i say that, because i absolutely disagree. we after angela merkel standing on a stage saying we're in this thing by ourselves. we can no longer count on the united states as an ally. i absolutely agree that many people would say we're advocating our responsibility as the leader of the free world. >> but they think we're being tough because people won't try things that they -- >> because our president is unhinged and crazy. >> we've got to go. when we come back, tensions building outside the cosby trial. victims protesting outside the court. inside the jury is deadlocked. ♪ a daily struggle,
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they've been deliberating for four days, the jurors in bill cosby's trial say they're deadlocked and can't come to a unanimous decision on any of the three charges. i want to discuss this now with cnn legal contributor reva martin, and wendy murphy, a former prosecutor. it's been fascinating to watch what's inside and outside of the courtroom. areva, the jury has deliberated about 40 hours. you say this is clearly not a slam dunk case. there's obviously something that's keeping them from a verdict. explain. >> absolutely, don. anything could happen.
tomorrow morning these jurors are going to start over again at 9:00. they could decide that, you know, an acquittal, or conviction, but it's not likely. i think from the beginning, the jurors were torn when they started asking the judge to read back testimony. they wanted to hear the testimony from constand, they wanted the deposition of bill cosby read back to them. that all signaled to me that they had really serious doubts about the credibility of the witnesses. people think that trials are about defendants proving their innocence, and it's not. a trial -- a criminal trial is about the state proving beyond reasonable doubt the guilty of the defendant. and the defense lawyer put it best when he did his summation, he said if you have more questions than answers, that's reasonable doubt. i think this jury has more questions than answers. and that's why after 40 hours they have not come back with a guilty or acquittal. and i think it could be a hung jury tomorrow. >> interesting. wendy, let's see. you say -- let's look at the
jury makeup. let's put it up there. seven men, six white, one black, five women, four white, one black. you say the jury's makeup is mainly why they're deadlocked. how so? >> well, i think it's one of the issues. the law in pennsylvania is the reason he's never going to be convicted at least on two of the charges. it's not possible. and let me just quickly explain. for the drugging charge, for example, you can only find someone guilty if they drug you for the purpose of raping you, without your knowledge. and even andrea constand said she knew he drugged her. that charge is never going to end with a guilty, ever. and i predicted that a year ago. the other drugging related charge pertains to her state of intoxication, or incapacitation, when the sexual assaults happened. under pennsylvania law, you have to be asleep or unconscious. and andrea constand testified she was frozen, she was paralyzed, but she wasn't
unconscious or asleep. that charge is never going to end with a guilty, ever, no matter how many times you try this case. but here's what i think about the jury. it has nothing to do with race, at all. the reason the jury may be filled with a kind of bias that will not be good for the victim, in addition to all the problems with the law, is that there are men, seven of them, who were not allowed to be asked by the prosecution when they are being selected, whether they've ef done anything like this to a woman. they or someone close to them. when you allow men who have done bad things to women, to sit on juries, in any state, and it's allowed in lots of states, they're looking at cosby going, that could have been me. i'm not voting guilty for that guy. >> you're making a lot of presumptions about the jurors. >> i'm just saying you're not allow to screen. but if you're not allow to screen out jurors who have sexually assaulted women, and
remember, nine out of ten rapes are never reported. i'm not talking about convicted rapists, i'm talking about men who sexually assault women and it never gets reported. nine out of ten rapes are never reported. there's a chance people showing up for the men showing up for jury duty, you've got good percentages that some of them will have done something like this at some point in their life. seven men on a jury, you're not allowed to exclude those who have committed sexual assault. they're going to protect him. >> areva, what do you think? >> that's a lot of assumptions. we shouldn't gloss over the ratio issue here. there are studies that show that when you have an all-white jury pool, the chances of conviction for an african-american defendant is in the 70s. 75%. that's why the defense team fought so hard to have african-americans on this jury. and tlr were huge fights about the exclusion of a couple of women that the defense argued were on the basis of race. but the judge determined there were other grounds for the
exclusion of them. i think the presence of the two african-american jurors on this jury pool may also be a big reason as to why these jurors, these 12, cannot come to a consensus with respect to -- >> but she's a woman of color, too. she's a woman of color, too. >> she is not an african-american woman. to say a canadian woman is a woman of color, the studies are very clear that when you have african-american jury pool, the chances of conviction go down substantially. >> not when you're bill cosby or o.j. simpson. >> to say con stand is a black woman, that's just not happening. >> do you think he'll be tried somewhere else? quickly, because i'm running out of time? >> i don't think so. i know wendy thinks there will be another criminal prosecution. i think people will be so disappointed, i think you'll see
protests. we've already seen protesters confronting people on the courtroom steps. i don't think there will be another prosecution. >> if he is acquitted there will be clambering in the streets. huge protests for him to be prosecuted in some of the other jurisdictions. there are five other states where the clock has not yet run out. women will rise up and demand that he face justice, someplace, somehow. >> that's going to have to be the last word. >> it doesn't mean it's going to be a criminal prosecution. when we come back, amazing new cnn series showcasing people who are changing the world. i go through periods where it's hard to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. learn about non-24 by calling 844-844-2424. or visit my24info.com. looking for a hotel that fits... ...your budget? tripadvisor now searches over 200 sites to find you the hotel you want at the lowest price. grazie, gino!
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this week's cnn presenting a special series called champions for change. headed out to spend time working alongside the people whose causes are close to our hearts. tonight my colleague erin burnett introduces us to her champions for change, meals on wheels, a >> good morning. how are you? oh, hi, thank you. the meal for you. >> a midday food delivery to a small apartment in new york city. a place connie pierce has called home for more than 40 years. >> today, it's pork. >> okay. >> rice. >> thanks very much. >> connie pierce is 94 years old, and fiercely independent. he is also a world war ii navy vet who is now outlived her 11 brothers and sisters. what did you do, bunk beds? >> we slept three to a bed. i remember. i said, when i grow up, i'm
going to get a job and i'm going to get my own little bed. >> conconnie's first job paid $a week. and she got her own little bed. joining the navy during the war and then moving to new york to live with one of her sisters. a lot of young women when but you were born didn't get to have jobs. they would get married, have children and stay home. >> yes. >> but you knew you never wanted that to be you. did you always know you wanted to be different? >> yes, i did. i wanted to be adventurous. >> connie is widowed now and her two stepsons live abroad. her crippling arthritis is forcing her to make changes. she can't shop anymore. she can't cook for herself. and she rarely leaves home. what now are your biggest frustrations? >> i used to love to just go shoppi shopping. and i used to do my own thing. and i can't.
>> 46 million americans are 65 or older. 1 in 6 of them struggle with hunger. >> good morning, guys. >> good morning. >> who has done this before? >> that's where city meals on wheels begins. i got a flyer in the mail one holiday. i saw that even the smallest donation can enable someone who lives completely alone to have a special holiday meal. and the reality is, this is about much more than providing hot food. >> if there's no one at home, do not leave the meal. you are not just delivering a meal today. you're checking in on our seniors. >> beth shapiro is the executive director of new york's city meals on wheels. people are so afraid, we're all so afraid of losing what we hold near and dear. and yet you see that every day. >> ipse it every day. and to me, it's beautiful. you know, to look at someone who has the wrinkles of a life well lived is something to celebrate.
>> in new york city alone, the program serves more than 18,000 people. two-thirds of them are women. nationwide, more than 5,000 local meals on wheels programs help 2.5 million seniors. >> when you go to deliver today, our seniors can be very chatty. okay? please talk to them, have a conversation. you're the only person they're going to see today. okay? >> what gives you the most joy now? >> i guess i have to just say, be grateful that you're fairly well. learning to accept what is. that's what -- i'm at that point. >> on average, city meals on wheels costs $7 a meal in new york. >> how you feel today? >> oh, fairly well. you know, this arthritis. >> may has been delivers meals on wheels to connie for almost two years. how much has it changed your life? >> well, i guess completely. because i can't cook. >> connie is able to live at home, thanks to meals on wheels.
and meals on wheels exists thanks to individual donations. >> 10% of the funding comes from the government. we privately raise the remaining 90%. >> every dollar donated goes to meals, not overhead. and the financial need is growing quickly. >> the senior population is the fastest growing population in this country. it will be doubled across the country by the year 2050. the program needs to grow. >> this is the president's fy-2018 budget. >> there was outrage after the trump administration announced it may make cuts to programs like meals on wheels. >> we can't spend money on programs because they sound good. we're going to spend money. we're going to spend a lot of money but we're not going to spend it on programs that cannot show they actually deliver the promise we've made to people. >> it's unclear if the program will face any cuts. but shapiro says meals can't afford even the smallest cut-back. >> it will have a devastating effect on the lifeline and in a infrastructure that meals on
wheels programs provide across the country. >> when the politicians make the final budget decisions, it's worth remembers, they're talking about people. people like connie pierce. >> and up next on champions for change, learn about the cause that's closest to poppy harlow's hear, tomorrow morning in the 8:00 a.m. hour of "new day." and to see more of our anchors, go to cnn.com/championsforchange. plus, don't miss the one-hour champions for change special, it's hosted by dr. sanjay gupta, saturday night, 9:00 eastern. it features highlights from the whole week. champions for change, a week-long cnn special event, is brought to you by charles schwab. i want to show you one of the most emotional parts of tonight's congressional baseball game. a capitol police officer who risked his life responding to wednesday's attack on republican baseball program threw out the first pitch.
pretty good pitch, i thought. david bailey walking onto the field on crutches to very loud applause. although he did not suffer a gunshot wound, capitol police said that bailey was treated for a minor injury. the other capitol police agent who was on sight yesterday when shots were fired is crystal griner, she was shot in the ankle and remains hospitalized on thursday. and we are wishing her the best. both of them, the best. they are truly heroes. and we wanted to honor them tonight on this program. that's it for us tonight. thank you so much for watching. i'll see you right back here tomorrow night. good night.
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