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as we continue to follow the twists and turns in the russian investigation, we also continue to follow the twists and turns into what the president and others have said about it. and lately those twists and turns have gotten, well, twistier. or maybe it's turnier, i'm not sure. friday the president tweeted that he was under investigation for firing james comey. then his spokesperson and attorneys said, no, that's not what he said. then someone else said something else again. the result, as you know, was confusion and didn't clear it up at all. here's more from mr. acost a. >> reporter: no surprise the president didn't have answers regarding the russia investigation. however, he had this to say. >> i think we did a very good job, didn't we? we did a very good job. >> reporter: he tweeted, i am being investigated by the man who told me to fire the fbi
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director. witch hunt. one of the president's personal lawyers, jay sekolow, said he was not being investigated. then he admitted he wasn't sure. >> you don't know whether he's under investigation or not. >> reporter: a contradiction he repeated on cnn. >> why you don't pick up the phone and find out is a little odd. if i hired you, i would want you to make that phone call. >> well, you haven't hired us because we represent the president of the united states. >> it took place in a non-camera briefing room. r spicer gsd, i think the broader point here is that everyone who serves the president serves at the pleasure of the president. members of congress want to know, where are the tapes?
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>> they haven't been turned over, but the intelligence committee has asked if there are tapes, if they exist, they be produced. >> the blackout came as the white house began what it calls technology week, by rolling out s son-in-law jared kushner to roll out the services. >> we will improve the lives of tens of millions of americans. >> reporter: kushner is now seeking additional attorneys for his own legal team after finding out his personal lawyer once worked with the special counsel. that personal lawyer said, we advised mr. kushner to obtain the independent advice with a lawyer of appropriate experience as to whether he should continuous as his counsel. >> jim acosta joins us now. why does the white house continue to hold these briefings off camera? >> it's puzzling. during the foreign trip, they held these off-camera briefings and insisted the officials who
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were being recorded were referred to as senior officials. that was baffling. today the reason was because the president was speaking in front of the pam -- panamanian president, and my sense is if they try to pull this on us tomorrow, they'll give another nonsen nonsensecal answer. i think what it boils down to is this is the people's white house, the people's briefing room is the people's briefing room. i think the question moving forward is whether or not we see some sort of boycott of these g gaggles if hair going to be holding them without any ability to record them, i think that would be the next thing moving forward. whether the president decides collectively, you know what, we can do without these. >> jim sciutto with breaking news and two mideast trips raising questions. what do you know about these
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trips? >> this was based on a letter that was sent to michael flynn's lawyer asking general flynn about a visit in september 2015 to saudi arabia not reported on a form as required by law when he applied for security clearance as national security adviser, and a second trip to saudi arabia later in 2015 where he did not provide key details, such as why he went there or who he traveled with. and then in addition to that, when he was applying for his security clearance again to enter the trump administration, he did not report any meetings with foreign officials for the previous seven years, again, as required on that security clearance form. i reached out to michael flynn's lawyer that this letter was addressed to. he confirmed that they received the letter but he would not comment on the allegations contained in the letter. >> we should point out it is a crime not to report foreign travel on a security clearance form. that's one of the big things security clearances want to know about. >> it's printed on the form, and
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it's mentioned in the letter from the house democrats as well, title 18, code 1001. "knowingly falsifying or con sealing materi -- consealing this is punishable by a penalty or five months in jail." why didn't he follow this report, especially knowing he had previous discussions with the russian ambassador. this is following a pattern of trump's former security adviser. >> how does this play into the special investigations as well as the special counsel investigations? >> with general flynn, it's added to the list very hard legal questions he's facing. now you have non-reports in effect on a security clearance form. that is by law a potential felony. you have the discussions that he had with the russian ambassador during the transition. what were the subject of those
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transitions? why weren't they disclosed? you had prior payments he received from russian entities when he traveled to russia, speaking engagements that he did not report as well. that's required to be reported. so you have a whole series of things that become the subject of investigation for him that have, that carry real potential legal penalties. then for the broader investigation, they raised questions of another pattern here which is a lack of disclosure by a number of trump advisers, whether it be jared kushner or the attorney general jeff sessions, and that's one reason why these investigations continue to churn on, because you have these questions to be answered. >> jim sciutto, appreciate the update. back to the panel. so you heard, ryan, you heard jim s krirksciutto's reporting. it raises the question could he be cooperating with the fbi? >> it raises the news tonight on our air that he thinks he is. i don't know what that's based on, but there was always this
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question about whether flynn was talking to the fbi. >> what would that mean if he was? >> if you remember, his lawyer, when he was trying to get flynn immunity, he dangled this -- >> you said he had a story to tell. >> a story to tell. we don't know what that story s but the original thing flynn was looking at was flynn's conversations with the russian am bbassador when we know the f was wondering if it was a violation of the logan act, whether flynn was on his own making foreign policy in a way that violates this 18th century law. that was the first thing that caught the fbi's attention if the classic thing you do with someone like flynn is you flip them and try to get someone above them. there's only one person above flynn at the white house. he was at the highest level of the white house and that was president trump. if he's a qualifying witness, he's either telling the fbi about other people who were on the trump campaign or the president himself. we don't have any evidence of that, but that would be -- that's what logic tells you if
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you're flipping him, he's going to get information about associates or people above him. >> if they haven't flipped him yet, all the new information that seems to be continually coming out, the new news today, he's going to flip soon. because he's got nothing but a world of hurt ahead of him. whatever story he has to tell, and we don't know what it is, is the only commodity he has in this right now to try to save his own skin. so there's every likelihood that if that hasn't happened, i would anticipate it's going to happen very soon just knowing how these kinds of investigations work. >> the interesting thing is the more emphasis on general flynn and the problems he has, the more emphasis it puts on the fact that there's no "there" there in the russian collusion sto story. >> how do you say that? >> now we're hearing general flynn didn't fill anything out with relationships with saudi arabia? what does that have to do with collusion with russia?
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nothing. >> no, no, jeffrey, please. my good friend, jeffrey. listen, the pattern that jim sciutto talked about very properly is a pattern that involves a number of undisclosed relationships, many in context, many of them with russians. it wasn't just a saudi trip. it was a saudi trip to talk about a u.s.-russian deal worth a hundred billion dollars. >> but the collusion is still about election day. >> a, you don't forget a $100 billion deal and leave it off your national security clearance form. you just don't do that. you can go to jail, we all know that, but the more you see a pattern, flynn is a guy who got himself in a variety of things. it raises the question front and center, is that why the president is trying so hard to protect him, to take him out from under the investigation? and that is where it leads to the question of obstruction. what does the president know about flynn? his lawyer knows a lot, says he has one hell of a story to tell.
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what does the president know and why is he trying to protect flynn? >> the other thing we don't know, not to just lead things away from the president, but what's not clear, and david gergen raises the point, the president has always defended flynn where he hasn't defended other people nearly as much. was the president directing flynn to do stuff? was flynn keeping the president apprised of whatever it was he was doing, and was there anything improper with that? again, we don't have any evidence that there was, but that seems to be what the investigation would try to figure out. >> there are a couple open questions. to david's point, yes, it was a trip to saudi arabia, but he said it was about a saudi-russian nuclear deal. in fact, general flynn mentioned this trip himself in testimony before the house committee on foreign affairs in june of 2015. he said, i just came back from a trip with the middle east talking about nuclear development there. oddly enough, he said it in congressional testimony, but then later left it off his sf-86
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for a security clearance form. so flynn's own words contradicting himself to some degree. on the question of trump to flynn, when you speak specifically of those conversations during the transition with the russian ambassador, sergey kislyak, when the issue of sanctions came up, something that general flynn hid, we know, from the vice president, perhaps from others. was that something that was directed by the president? we don't have evidence of that, but that is a question i know that at least democrats on the committee are asking as part of the investigation. >> there's also -- sorry, go ahead. >> what does this have to do with colluding to steal the presidential election? that's the charge, and that charge came a couple days after the campaign ended with a defeat, and hillary clinton was so angry that they -- since she couldn't accept responsibility for her defeat, pick up this story that the russians did it. what does this have to do with that? >> but jeffrey, that's actually --
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>> let me step in. jeffrey, october 7, 2016 is when the intelligence community released their statement, one month and a day before election day, so long before we knew who the winner was going to be, landing russia in the highest levels of the russian government with high countenance for interfering in the election. >> jeffrey, you were just saying it was hillary clinton who motivated this after she lost, but he's pointing out this happened long before. >> where does this turn to the election? there is none. >> it doesn't matter, in my opinion, if it turned the election. you all need to let go of hillary clinton. she lost. stop blaming everything on her. it doesn't matter who won or lost. if the russians, which all indications are from the intelligence community, got involved in our elections, hacked into our systems, that's enough. if it didn't turn the election, which i believe it may have, but let's find that out, that's enough. that's a huge problem that the
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russians try to -- >> did donald trump say "go do that"? >> i don't know. >> of course, he didn't. >> with all respect, you don't know, and that's why we need an independent investigation that the president is not pressuring anybody on. we need that to play out, and we also need the president surrogates to stop criticizing and undermining mueller. he's moving forward in this, and as soon as you guys start to sweat, you attack the messenger. >> i want to dig deeper into more legal angles when we come back. also tonight, the sadness, the fury, and all the unanswered questions in the wake of a young american's death after being held captive in north korea. aleve. all day strong.
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being taken by the agency that recommended the termination. there should be no confusion, the president is not under investigation. >> no confusion there. joining us, alan dershowitz, jeffrey toobin back with us as well. before we get to all that, i want to ask you, professor, you came in here saying, i know what flynn was doing. >> i figured it out. flynn's lawyer is playing this very tough game. he is sending a message to the president. he's saying, my client flynn is not going to jail. he can either make a deal with mueller or you can pardon him. and if you don't pardon him, we're going to mueller. that's twhe two options you hav in front of you. >> that's the message you think he's sending? >> he's a very shrewd lawyer. we know he went public earlier. he's trying to send the message to the president that i have options, and my options are with
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mueller. if you don't want me to go there, you have a way of preventing that. it's called pardon. it's what bush did to weinberger, follow that path. he has only one interest, flynn's lawyer. keep flynn out of jail. it's very tough, very uphill. the only way to do it is not on the merits because he's going to lose on the merits. it's by either making a deal or getting a pardon. >> jeff, what do you think about that? earlier, months and months ago, flynn's lawyer was talking about getting some sort of immunity and, boy, he had a story to tell. >> for once i think alan and i are going to switch places. i'm going to be the trump defender here. first of all, it's not clear to me that flynn committed any crime. false statements on a form is only a crime if you knowingly make a false statement. and it's going to be some challenge to prove that this was an intentional false statement. but putting that aside, what is the evidence that flynn can give up donald trump? give up donald trump for what?
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it's not clear that flynn has anything to offer the prosecutors here. so i think everybody needs to slow down and, you know, this is not -- i don't think any deals need to be made. donald trump doesn't need to pardon anyone right now. i just think this investigation should proceed a little more slowly and in a little more orderly way, and we'll see whether flynn makes a deal and whether he has anything to offer. >> that's your approach, but from flynn's lawyer's point of view, he knows his client is vulnerable. why doesn't he go to the public and say, i have something to offer? lawyers don't do that. they generally go behind the scenes to the prosecutor and say, i have something to offer. when you go public, you have an audience. i think he has an audience of one. i think the audience is sitting in the oval office. >> i like this theory. it's interesting. it's fascinating. i just like when professor dershowitz came in and said, i know what he's doing. >> i wish we all could have seen that. let's talk about what's going on with jay sekulow.
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jeff, we saw the president's attorney basically saying a couple contradictory things this weekend. what did you make of that? >> i saw jay sek urksekulow, wh really fine and good lawyer, feeling sean spicer's pain. he was unthere saying donald trump is not under investigation because donald trump does not want to be perceived as under investigation. >> despite having tweeted that he's under investigation. >> right, but of course he's under investigation. i mean, look at comey's testimony, look at the fact that mueller is now interviewing the head of the nsa rogers, the head of the dni coats. those are witnesses to possible obstruction of justice of donald trump. that's the only reason to interview them. you know, it doesn't mean donald trump is guilty, it doesn't mean he'll be charged with anything, but is he under investigation? of course he is. >> david, do you buy sekulow's explanation was a response to the "washington post" story,
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that it said he was under investigation. i think he said he employed irony, if my memory is correct? >> it's too clever by half. when anyone said donald trump didn't really explain the whole story because he only had 140 characters to play with, and so, therefore, he didn't. if he had a real story to tell, donald trump would have done five tweets in a row. i think what was going on here, anderson, is something very similar in a positive way, by the way, years ago when president eisenhower used to come out for press conferences on really sensitive subjects, he would be totally confusing. nobody knew what he was trying to say. he was on three sides of every fence. when he came back in, his agent looked at him puzzled, and he said, i did that intentionally. i wanted to create a fog bank. i want to keep my options open. in this case what trump's lawyer was doing was creating a fog bank. he wants to have it both ways.
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you can see it any way you want. i do have one question for the professor and his student. can donald trump ultimately pardon himself? >> we don't know that for sure. the constitution's own terms don't impose limitations. it would be political suicide, i think, to pardon oneself. but legally, the president's pardon power seems untrammelled. we've never had a case like that in history. it would be interesting to go back to the common law where the pardon power originates and see if any kings or queens -- i doubt we've ever seen an example of anyone pardoneni ining himse. >> one thing we know for certain is donald trump cannot pardon himself from impeachment. the constitution is very clear about that. that process is entirely up to congress. >> good discussion, all. thank you very much. up next, more breaking news. all the questions now that the american student held by north korea has died just days after he returned home. americans - 83% try to eat healthy.
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dire. >> no signs of understanding language. responding to verbal commands or awareness of his surroundings. he has not spoken, he has not engaged in any purposeful movements or behaviors. >> reporter: tonight warmbier's parents say their son has, quote, completed his journey home, that otto warmbier died at 2:20 p.m. eastern time. when he returned in a vegetative state, his face looked anguished. within a day, his face changed. he was at peace, they say. from president trump, a somber response. >> he just passed away a little while ago. that's a brutal regime, and we'll be able to handle it. >> reporter: warmbier's doctors told reporters they suspect he lost much of his brain tissue due to cardiopulmonary arrest and it was suggested he had been
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in a vegetative state for at least 14 months. while there is surprise that north korea would allow an american to be held in such condition, they said mistreatment in north korean jails is not uncommon. >> we know they provide torture, beating, rape to their own people and also held in custody. >> he was thrown in this hell hole, so anything is possible. he could have suffered shock when he was sentenced to hard labor. ebl he could have been beaten. he could have tried to take his own life. whatever the circumstances, it is likely the result of the fact that the north koreans put him in this situation. >> reporter: there are key questions still unanswered after warmbier's death. why did the regime keep his condition a secret for so long? >> perhaps they were hoping he would come out of the coma. he didn't. eventually they panicked. >> reporter: and how might the united states retaliate for the death of this 22-year-old
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university of virginia student who the north koreans had sentenced to hard labor for allegedly pulling down a propaganda banner in a hotel. they said the u.s. would hold north korea responsible for his imprisonment. >> one thing to be careful about military retaliation is the fact that north korea now has missiles and nuclear weapons that could strike japan, korea and potentially threaten the united states. the other reason is there are other americans who are hostages and in prison who we also want to get out. >> reporter: otto warmbier's family said in a statement, quote, the awful, tortorous mistreatment our son endured is hope that no one else experience this. cnn, washington. >> reporter: cnn's will ripley
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has traveled numerous times to tokyo. i know you've been in touch with otto warmbier's parents throughout this ordeal. it's hard to imagine what they're going through tonight, will. >> yeah, i was in the country last week when otto warmbier was released. as of a nfew weeks ago, they believed his homecoming would be the happiest moment of their lives. they had kept a journal to update him, they bought him a cubs jersey when the cubs won the world series, they bought a shirt when the family took a vacation to hawaii. they couldn't wait to talk about the election with donald trump as president of the united states. they were planning for this reunion. they thought that he, with his upbeat personality, was charming his captors and would have so many stories to tell. they never could have imagined he would come home in the condition that he was, and of course, less than a week later, now he's gone. >> what about reaction from north korea. you've been inside the country
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more than just about any reporter i know. have we heard anything from them yet? what do you think is going on there? >> reporter: no official reaction to the news of the death of otto warmbier. the last movement from pyongyang is he was released as a humanitarian act. that was the official government spin. i can tell you from conversations on the ground with officials in pyongyang, when i relayed this news to them last week, they were visibly shocked. they didn't believe it was true. they thought perhaps it was a united states fabrication and that, in fact, he hadn't been in a coma for that length of time. when i showed them article after article that he was, they really didn't have a whole lot to say about it other than they seemed visibly very, very surprised. >> there are, what, three americans still being detained in north korea right now. does this change the calculus in the efforts to get them released? >> reporter: i think it
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certainly accelerates the efforts of the u.s. state department to try to get them released. the strategy of the obama administration, strategic patience, clearly not the strategy of the trump administration. you have two that were teaching in the university in pyongyang. they haven't even gone on trial yet. you have a naturalized citizen who was sentenced to ten years of hard labor on spying charges. now the united states really has to try to get these americans home. in the case of come penretaliat action, they could put pressure on china to do more as they've bin doing about the nuclear and missile programs, but at this point the number one priority of the united states has got to be to try to secure the release of these remaining three u.s. citizens and to continue it encourage north americans not to travel to north korea. >> will ripley, appreciate it. a fight over the bill to get
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the fight over the health care bill escalating tonight with senate democrats holding what they are calling a talk-a-thon attempting to bring the chamber to a halt of a closed door process to repealing
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obamacare. the secrecy surrounding the health care bill, what's the reason for it, stated or otherwise? >> it's strategic. if you talk to senate gop aides and they're being candid with you, they're willing to acknowledge that. anderson, they are keenly aware of what happened in the house. there was a very public debate, kind of a torturous one at that. they want to avoid that. if they can get at least 51% of their senate to agree on this bill, they need to give them ample opportunities to hash it out behind closed doors. those opportunities are severe, sometimes. when it comes to health care there are significant divides on things like the medicaid expansion, the growth rate of medicaid, abortion, the structure of the obamacare regulations. all of those things was designed by senate republican leadership that those arguments take place behind the scenes. that can insulate the members from outside pressure, give the members ample opportunity to have discussion about this bill. this is by design.
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make no mistake, republicans know they are going to get hit by this, hit about this. but anderson, the key thing i keep hearing over and over again is the end game. the end game needs to get to 50 votes, and this they can do that, that's progress. >> they can't really stop it, can they? >> they're going to do everything they can to slow it down. whether they're giving consistent floor speeches over and over tonight into the morning or whether they use procedures to try to slow things up, slow the process on the floor. the reality is, and i had one democratic senator tell me earlier tonight this exactly. we don't know what kind of effect this will actually have. but here's what's most important. i think here's the end game for them here. they want to draw light to this process. they want to draw attention to this process. they know for the senators that are sitting on the fence right now, particularly the moderates, the phone calls, the e-mails, the pressure coming from the outside can and likely will make a difference if it is intense enough. that's what they're going for right now. that's why you see this action on the floor and why you're going to see this going ahead.
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anderson, key point here. they are planning senate republicans to have a vote next week no matter what. that's why this pressure is extremely important right now as they try to finalize any type of bill. >> phil mattingly, thanks. the bill the house nearly passed last month, they sent a letter to mitch mcconnell and minority leader chuck schumer. the letter says the bill, quote, calls into question coverage for the vulnerable and fails to provide the necessary resorts to ensure that no one is left out while shifting significant costs to the state. joining me now, two of the governors who sent it, republican john kasich of ohio and governor hickenlooper of colorado. governor kasich, what do you hope by sending this letter? what would you like to see happen, ideally? >> the first is that a republican and a democrat can get together. we have seven people on the letter. john was able to get four, i have three governors. designed to find some common purpose, which, as we all can agree, we want to make sure that
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the exchanges, which provide people with health care, don't collapse. we know that they're at risk in many places. so we've looked for points on which we could agree, hopefully to sort of set an example that it's best for people to work together if you want to have something that's going to last and something that's going to involve both parties. i think it's important, and that's the message, i hope. >> governor hickenlooper, where do you see those areas of agreement? >> oh, in the letter we lay out four basic components. enhance afford abiliability in private exchanges. we wanted to promote innovation and allow the states more flexibility in doing that innovation. let states have more responsibility around -- within the regulatory framework to really find savings. really enhance stability in the private insurance market. that was the fourth one. so those basic framework items give us a place to start, but from there you go in a million different directions because
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each one of those can lead not only in cost savings but allow us to not have to roll back coverage on who knows how many thousands or hundreds of thousands or millions of people. >> governor kasich, the fact that the senate bill is being crafted in secret by a small group of republican senators, it's unclear at this point what exactly is in it. as a republican, is that lack of transparency acceptable to you? >> well, what, you think i'm going to say yes, anderson? of course it's not. they've got to let people know what they're doing. this is like a sixth of the united states economy, and they've got to have an analysis of this bill and know how many people it affects and how much it's going to cost. but look, i was there when we went through a government shutdown and then the clinton administration and the republicans in the majority on the hill got together, found common ground, some basic principles and we sat down and negotiated the first budget since the man walked on the moon and it provided surpluses and we
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had strong economic growth. there is no reason, in fact, there is every reason in the world for people like john hickenlooper and some of the other governors that signed on with the republican governors to be able to be an example to congress. reach out to the senate democrats. work this thing together, because if you don't, frankly, anderson, it's not sustainable, and the next administration is going to overturn this and we never get to the fundamental issue of what's driving increasing health care costs which we also have to do on a bipartisan basis. so, you know, of course, do it in the open. reach across the aisle. that's what i hope the message that's being sent. and we have practical solutions. we're not saying you can't do anything, we're saying there is some things we agree upon that must be done to make sure that people can have health coverage. >> governor hickenlooper, there's been a talk about bipartisanship and unity on the hill with what happened last week. how much would this health care bill benefit from actual cooperation? how much would that change the equation here? >> you know, i've never had a
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good idea in my life that the moment i started talking about it with staff or people around me it didn't get suddenly better. and to think that a small number of one party are going to come up with the right solutions is kind of crazy. governor kasich was talking to me a couple weeks ago, and we kind of joked about if you went through the whole list of issues, there's probably only about 5% that we really disagree on. we could find compromise on almost everything. and i think not only should the republican senators reach out to the democratic senators, but i would volunteer there are a bunch of governors who actually have to implement what they come up with who could give some substantive and meaningful suggestions on how to control costs and how not to have to roll back coverage. >> governor kasich, before we go, i just want to extend our condolences to otto warmbier's family. he's from your state, and i know you fought ahard to bring him home. it's got to be a very difficult time for you and for many people in the state. >> i mean, for the family, you
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know. i talked to the family when he was first held there, and what an ordeal to have your loved one, you know, being held in north korea and then you get the word that their health has been basically destroyed and you finally get them home, and then you lose them. we have to all keep the family in mind and pray for them, because this has got to be so extremely difficult and really kind of underscores what that regime is about over there. it's not about that tonight. tonight it's about them losing a very young son who was full of promise. >> yeah. it's sickening. governor kasich, i appreciate your time. governor john hickenlooper, thank you so much. coming up next, tomorrow election day in the most expensive house ever. you won't believe how much this race has cost. the democrats, republicans, each wants to prove its narrative about the trump presidency. the question is whether the home
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district. both parties have poured huge amounts of money boo the race, making the most expensive house contest ever. it also happens to be the district formerly represented by house speaker newt gingrich, so question is is, how could this gop strong hold actually be up for grabs? here's what gary tuchman found out. >> reporter: welcome to one of the most republican of bloc blon one of the most republican of neighborshoods in this republican dominated in georgia, for years this guy lived on the street. newt gingrich's ex-wife still lives in the same house in cobb county, georgia. but despite the republican pedigree on the street, this now looks like a hotspot? the race between republican karen handle and democrat john osoff. gary sanchez had lived tle ed h years right next to the gingrich house. did you vote for newt gingrich over the years? >> yes. >> reporter: voting for the republican or democrat for the
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seat? >> the democrat. >> reporter: one of the reasons he's voting for the democrat and not republican, handle, has to do with donald trump. >> you hear the president, let's drain the swamp, but here we are in the 6th congressional district, right, 38 years of the same style, the same approach, the same thing. >> reporter: it's been nearly four decades since a democrat has held the congressional seat in this district. which is troubling others on this street, too. >> it's time for a change. >> reporter: glen says it's kind of cool to live on the street where newt gingrich used to live but he and his wife, susan, are democrats and have the only political yard sign on the block and it's for john ossoff. they say it's a referendum on the performance of donald trump. >> i can't remember any president going back to ronald reagan or earlier who has been as crude and coarse to other people. i can't imagine ronald reagan talking the way that donald trump talks. >> i'm going to vote for karen handle. >> reporter: but the street will still deliver votes to the
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republicans. linda has lived here for over three decades. >> my vote is really more of a negative vote against the democratic party. >> reporter: among residents we talked to on and off camera on this quiet street, a clear republican/democratic split. which also plays out within one of the homes. >> i'm a registered democrat. >> and i a republican. >> reporter: so you're still able to stay married. >> 40 years. >> most of the time. >> reporter: zoey king says she will vote for ossoff. bruce king for handle. both congressional candidates are aware polls indicate the race is very close, which appears to be the case among voters here on newt gingrich's old street. and even the former neighbor, himself, sees the race as nip and tuck. >> i think that the -- it's probably even money who wins in georgia. >> reporter: fwar rgary tuchman cobb county, georgia. >> joining me, david chalian and
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gloria borger. you make a point it's hard to overstate how important this race is. >> i think the stakes are huge for both parties here, anderson. let's look on the republican side, if handle is able to put out a victory on what is republican turf, that could go a long way to calming some pretty big concerns out there that trump may be a drag on the ticket for all republicans in 2018 for the midterms. however, if she loses, the exact opposite will happen. it will be -- that concern will go to a near panic and i think you'll start seeing a lot of republic chance in competitive districts start dealing with the very difficult straddle of wanting to distance from trump but not do anything to damper enthusiasm among the republican base. that becomes a tricky proposition for brrepublicans. >> both sides have reasons to be expecting a win here. >> oh, right. this has been a solidly republican district since the '70s. tom price who left his seat to become hhs secretary won with 62% of the vote. so republicans should win this.
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this is a republican seat. but it is also exactly the kind of seat that democrats believe they can capture in 2018 because you have a large minority population, an upscale college-educated population. those are the kinds of people that they believe that they can bring into the democratic tent. >> david, as gloria just mentioned, it is interesting that the district is even up for grabs. >> yeah, and as gloria said, i really think this is hugely important, it's not just the kind of place that democrats could capture, they will need to capture these kinds of places if, indeed, they're going to win the majority of the house back in 20 18. college educated white suburbanites are the kind of republicans that have been proving elusive to donald trump so if they are up for grabs, if you will to, the democrats, then it's not just the 23 districts hillary clinton won that have a
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republican congress person sitting it in right now, the universe of targets for democrats expands dramatically to look at some of these republican districts with those kinds of voters. >> just the cost, alone, gloria, though, it's insane. most offensive house race in the history, more than $50 million is going to be spent when all is said and done. >> it is insane, you're absolutely right. don't forget, this election habit gone on for that long, and there are some groups that are studying where the money is coming from, anderson, and one group says that for every penny of local money, there is $10 worth of outside money that is coming into this district. so, you know that the state, you know, the campaign committees on both sides are pouring money in here, that the democrats are raising money out of state to pour it in here. precisely because as david said at the outset, the stakes in this race could not be higher for both parties. >> yeah, david, you have the
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president of the united states tweeting, again, about this race today. shows those stakes are high. >> he did. he's sort of lending his name to karen handle saying get out there and vote for karen handle. mistyped, misspelled her name initially then fixed that. i think it's the other portion of the tweet that's really interesting, he hits john ossoff, the democrat for living outside the district. this has been one of the talking points for republicans and trump needled them on it on twitter today. >> david chalian, gloria borger, thanks. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back.
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that's all the time we have for tonight. time to hand things over to don lemon. with the c "cnn tonight" starts right now. this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news right now, seems michael flynn forgot to mention another foreign trip on his security clearance form. another one. and this one doozy. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. want to know a lot more about flynn's 2015 trip to the middle east. their investigation could look at whether president trump crossed the line in his conversations with fired fbi director james comey. meanwhile, a bunker mentality spreading inside that place you're looking at right there, the white house. press briefings cut back, as rumors fly that