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learn. there's nothing that's going to hold them back. and they are going to have a happy life. good evening thanks for joining us. a new report painting a dramatic and detailed information. last year cia learned vladimir putin himself was involved in the cyber campaign to influence inelection. it calls russia's efforts politically the crime of the century. but keeping them honest, neither today's dramatic story, nor the ongoing threat to future u.s. elections seems to be raising much concern within the white house or even much curiosity. as the warningsing were met with silence. not only does it reveal
intelligence that outline vladimir putin's involvement but it goes on to reveal a level of concern that he approved planting the digital equivalent inside sensitive computer systems to be set off in the future if the cyber battle escalated and it ultimately did far less than many believe was warranted, ultimately out of fear of the election's outcome and perhaps because they were going to win it despite hacking and what the american public has not already known, namely that russia medaled in the election. it continues to medal in other country's elections. and according to recent testimony from past and current intelligence officials, analysts and law makers, plenty of smart
people consider what russia did and continue to do to be a threat to western democracy. dwlet white hou yet the it white house and the president continue to be blah za about it. when asked about the post report about hacking, she answers instead about something else. >> what's the white house's response to this? >> the president has said previously and we got conversation from dan cotes, mike rogers that there's no evidence of collusion. number one and number two that this didn't have an impact on the electoral results. 306 electoral results. it had nothing to do with interfeerninte interferen interference. >> we know that too. but what about there are high level officials that can connect president putin with giving instructions totack the dnc
computers and fake stories. what is the current white house doing about this? >> the president has said previously and he stands by that that he would be concerned about anybody interfering in our democracy. we saw lot of people interfering by saying he couldn't win at home. >> i mean against russia. what is he doing specifically to try to stop this? >> i know you like to say russia, russia, russia. he's the president of the united states. >> and what's he doing? >> he has said very clearly that he wants the voter integrity and the ballot integrity to be protected. and any type of interference. at this very second? >> yes. >> because we have nothing to say about russian collusion or effecting the electoral outcome. those rabbit holes did not bear
fruit. >> if you're following that, she can't or won't name one thing that president is doing to prevent future russia hacking in elections. we would show you the video but again no cameras were allowed. so we sent a sketch artist to the white house to draw some pictures. >> is he concerned about that? >> of course. he's concerned about any country or actor that wants to interfere. >> so sean spicer again not able or willing to single out russia. and kellyanne conway changes the name of collusion and the it president's victory is of course one. and in july when russian hacking information became available. >> russia f you're listening, i
hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that there missing. >> by september candidate trump was playing coy. >> i mean, it could be russia but it could also be china, lots of other people. it could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds. you don't know who broke into dnc. >> on october 7th, the department of homeland security issued a joint statement warning that russia was behind the hacking. president trump was focussed not on the hacking but what the hackers got. >> now this just came out. this just came out. wikileaks. i love wikileaks. >> well, that was october 10th. three days after the u.s. intelligence community put out its statement. things get said in the heat of a campaign but the election is over, donald trump is president
completely but legitimately. so the question is what is being done by the white house? but kellyanne conway didn't point this out but she could have pointed out the president has signed a order that calls federal agencies within 90 days and gives the military a larger share of responsibility for cyber security. oddly it does not specifically mention russia or russian hacking. from the president we haven't seen much action or heard much real concern and obviously we're not privy to conversation he's had with top law enforcement officials. we know from reports that he's interested in the russia investigation as it pertained to clearing him or his associates. and a lack of interest in the threat. >> did you have any interactions with the president that suggested he was taking that hostile action seriously? >> i don't remember any
interactions with the president other than the initial briefing on january the sixth, i don't remember, could be wrong but i don't remember any conversation lat about that. >> you never asked about a briefing or attended a briefing or read the intelligence reports. >> you might have been critical of me if i was seeking intelligence relating to something that might be relevant to the campaign. i'm not sure -- >> i'm not talking about the campaign. i'm talking about what the russians did. you received no reports on the active measures with respect to the 2016 election? >> i don't believe i did. >> we're going to get his take on how seriously the president takes the problem. i understand the white house formally responded to the house intelligence community's request, asking for evidence of recordings. what have you learn snd. >> that's right.
they did respond. but in this unusual fashion and the response came from one of the legislative affairs, staffers, not from the president's attorney, white house counsel and it refers back to what, in this letter to the committee it calls a statement but is actually the president's tweet saying with all the recently reported electronic surveillance interseps and illegal leaking of information, i have no idea whether there are tapes or recordings but i do not have any such recordings. it did not go any further than that. one thing it does answer is the question of whether the president's tweetsz are really statements. this seems to clear the issue up. >> secretary sean spicer had the briefing today. we have the artist rendering. any real news out of there? >> there was a briefing.
>> you can see the sketches we have in place of the live video. he did point out the fact that he believes president trump is standing by his january comment that the russians were the ones to medal in the election. we haven't heard that from the president directly since january. so take that for what it's worth and spicer defended these off camera briefings saying it's way to have substantive policy discussions. that does that inseem to be the case. there does not seem to be a difference in terms of the substance of those policy discussions. but the isclearly the tact the administration is taking. >> much more on the washington post story. one of the three reporters sharing the by line on it. i spoke with him right before i went on the air. >> you described russian interference as politically the greatest crime of the century.
>> when you consider what occurred in 2016, it is remarkable. spy services around the world are constantly stealing each other's secrets. that's their job in addition to analyzing it. but typically this is done to try to benefit policy makers so they can have insights when they deal with that other country. what happened is the russians not only were doing what they always do which is basically snooping around in the computer systems but in this case they made a decision to basically take emails they knew would be harmful to one side and inject them to the public through wikileaks in order to shape the outcome of an election. >> and obama's former homeland security secretary mentioned this yesterday. and it was vladimir putin himself who signed off on these attacks and they have evidence of that. >> i think that was the most dramatic moment that we
discovered, which is basically the cia in late july or early august gets sensitive intelligence from a very reliable source of information. it's very rare for the cia, despite a popular perception that they are -- that they have information on everything, it's very hard for them to get putin himself, him providing an instruction. that is as close to a bomb shell internal coup if you will, for an intelligence service and cia as ever. so for the cia to get this from such a reliable source of information was a turning point for the administration as it was trying to decide how to respond. >> that fact they know vladimir putin authorized this, was in on it it. it makes the lack of comments by president trump about this and the doubts he has raised about russian involvement even more stung. >> obviously one should consider
the fact that the cia does make mistakes. i mean look what happened in iraq. so it's good to be skeptical. and even obama had a measure of skepticism. he didn't just run with what brennan presented him, he instructed the other intelligence chiefs to go throughout and confirm what the cia had shown him in early august. so the same information presented to obama was presented in early january to trump. initially he sounded receptive, that maybe he was convinced based on what he was told in the early january meeting. but you can see through his social media commentary and statements that his skepticism is back, seems to be back. >> but you can't read your reporting on this and not be alarmed at the extenlt of russia's intervention, the high level support for it in russia
itself and seemingly the lack of interest by the current president in that russian intervention. he's arguing there was no collusion. he feels he's being unfairly tarred with that. but the very fact of the intervention, you have both jeff sessions and director comey testifying they haven't had any conversations with the president other than an initial briefing about russia's interference. it doesn't seem like there's lot of curiosity or alarm in this white house. >> that may boo ethe most disturbing part of all of this. obviously something important happened in 2016 and there can be disputes about what the intentions of the russians might be or there might be some disputes over whether or not this casts a cloud over trump or not and obviously the fbi's investigating some of these issues. but really the issue is,
is the united states government taking this seriously and prepared to do something to make sure that it doesn't happen again? and as far as i can tell there really is no effort that i can see, certainly coming from the white house which, like you said is not necessarily taking this seriously or for that matter from congress where it's not clear if these divided leaders in congress and the executive branch are prepared to compromise to try to address these issues ahead of the next election. >> one former senior obama official and was quoted in your pete saying it's the hardest thing to defend about my time in government to defend. >> that's a sentiment we heard from many ofiltficials we spoke.
>> was it part that they thought hillary clinton was going to win and they would deal with this in a clinton administration? >> that's part of it. some of them were counting on getting jobs in a clinton administration and find themselves in the political wilderness. but i think in this case what we're dealing with is somebody i know was personally felt like more should and could have been done. it's really a reflection of frustration but i think at the highest levels of the government, the president and the top advisors who got to see all of the intelligence and had to weigh the pros and cons, this was very complicated, it wasn't black and white and it can't be over simplified. >> it's incredible reporting. i encourage everybody to read it. thanks very much. just ahead hillary clinton's campaign manager joins us with the rest of the panel left,
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they felt like they didn't want to be seen as influencinging the election? >> i think adam hit the nail on the head. this was incredibly complex. i think a lot of people thought hillary clinton was going to win. i think a lot of people decided not to turn out and vote or voted third body who would have changed their vote in retrospect if they thought donald trump was going to win. i think between the administration, even campaigns, news media, i don't think any of us knew how to handle this situation. it's really important we understand what happened and look back but i think we need be spending just as much time looking at the future and saying what practically can we do? >> so what is president trump actually doing to prevent future russian hacking?
>> in the first 30 days, a review of the election process. >> that was the thing about illegal aliens, illegal immigrants. >> it's elections all together, specifically have to do with ids. >> it was just recently discussed. >> like i said we have this commission that's going to touch those processes but when you look at what took place last october and november, it was a total failure the obama administration. >> so he's put together this thing focussed largely on what he calls voter fraud. >> we'll see what the agenda looks like. >> based on his tweets. >> the tweets don't lay out the complete agenda. >> but other than that is there anything else you can point to? >> those are important things. you have the security over the machines and the review and
elections interfered through these process. >> but in fairness to this commission, it's not national security or cyber security officials. they have in no position to confront this issue. yes, they're going to look at voter ids based on false information. >> i think they're on the ground, trying to understand. >> but they probably don't know anything about russian hacking. >> they know when things are being penetrated. >> with all due respect you're missing the point because we're not alleging that russia hacked machines. we're saying the hacking of john pudestau's email and distributing those things and doing those type things is vastly different than what the secretaries of state do. because just this wreak, i believe it was yesterday. he said if russia was involved
in any of this. until donald trump actually acknowledges -- if he agrees -- you can shake your head all you want. >> it doesn't make any sense. >> until he actually backs them up and supports them and says what everyone else in this country knows and that russia interfered in our elections, all of this is for not. >> jeffrey, just to his point, the president has always said and lot during the campaign that unless you name radical islam, unless you name what the enemy is, how are you going to go about actually fighting it? that was his criticism of president obama rightly or wrongly. can you make the same argument on russian hacking until he acknowledges they're going to try do it again, how -- unless you name it, how can you fight it? >> anderson, i hope you're sitting down. i agree with you. my point is -- let me read you one part of a sentence on april
7th of this year. the american military strike threatened american relzs on friday as the kremlin denounced the use of force. in other words when the president perceive as basic interest of the united states to be at stake, come hell or high water he's going to act russians or not. what we saw from the obama administration was an unwillingness to act. >> what weir trying to focus on is what now. what's he doing then? >> well, i think he is going to take into account all the advice we're seeing here. the washington post says despite the dire warnings there were no -- >> but -- >> -- he was just meeting with cyber security people this week. he sat with all the leading people of the cyber world and
the internet. >> that's more about updating it systems which is a completely valid thing. >> my point is the underlying attitude and if your underlying attitude about the russians which is true of democrats for 50 some odd years was appeasement and let's get along, etc., etc. you are just opening the door for this kind of thing. donald trump in his first six months has sent missiles firing into syria. he has no fear of acting when he feels he needs to act. >> the question again of what the trump administration is doing to get to the bottom of what russia did and make sure they don't do it again. is it clear to you what they're doing? >> no and i don't feel i have any greater answers than you do after listening to the white house gaggal and surrogates fl the administration speak.
there are legitimate reasons to criticize the obama administration. but he correctly said this is a complicated issue where there is no clear line on how to handle it. our system was not designed to process this and we've seen that over and over. so the question becomes what is this administration doing? and what we've heard is a variation of the news media is using this or democrats are using this or this is not an issue and then we hear the president -- of course he's concerned about this. the president this week tweeted the dnc hacks water hoax. this is feeding into a conspiracy theory that has been debunked all over the place. so i don't see any evidence of the administration. and i should be clear. i'm talking about the president. he can't separate out.
he takes everything as some kind of attack on him and legitimatacy and he can't understand why people want to see more done and there are a lot of people including james comey sounding an alarm saying russia is coming. there is more at stake here beyond this past year. >> maggie raise as point and i think kellyanne conway raised a point in an interview where she wouldn't talk about what's being done and maybe you didn't know about the cyber security kpirv order but she turned it to the media's obsessed with collusion. he awon fair and square. you can argue about collusion, ubukz centobstruction of justic. there's that is separate from what it do about russia. >> i think you have to do look tat from a macro standpoint. what russia sees is somebody not
afraid to act. let's look at what we did. obama did nothing with syria. >> that's not true. >> absolutely true. did he bomb people? >> if bombing is the definition -- >> how did he respond to the chemical attacks? >> donald trump called on the russians to hack -- >> it it was a joke. >> you have a president not afraid to engage. >> but the problem with that statement is he won't even acknowledge that russia was behind the interference we were talking about. until donald trump acknowledges that, rirls mute. barack obama literally crippled the russian economy with sanctions and now we know donald trump is actually trying to weaken sanctions that the senate passed by going through the house gop. we know that as a fact.
it did work. in fakct russia's economy -- jeffrey, russia's economy was falling apart. they simply were and the reason that they -- the reason we know vladimir putin wanted -- the reason we know vladimir putin wanted donald trump instead of hillary clinton is not anything we have to guess about. >> putin was so afraid of obama that for eight years he engaged and every time obama backed down. >> this was the question, the thing said about president obama. at what point does he stop blaming george w. bush? at what point does the trump administration start talking about what they're doing? >> it takes a long time to undo -- >> that's the exact same thing democrats said. >> i think in general we're flying over the problem. a political committee was hacked. we think election administrators
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have to see. we're going to have to see in terms of -- look, there's been no obstruction, there has been no collusion. there has been leaking by comey. but there's been no collusion, no obstruction and virtually everybody agrees to that. so we'll have to see. i can say the people that have been hired are all hillary clinton supporters. >> as for the first part of the five team members three did make political donations since 1988. the money totaling -- went very heavily to democrats and about 30% to hillary clinton. we should also point out that was of the 13thing. on the 15th, mueller's spokesman said as many as a dozen staffers had been hired and there's more to learn about thier political affiliations. there's no record of donations from mueller himself. he was appointed fbi director by
george w. bush. randy cay. >> reporter: no question these two former fbi directors have a history. it dates back to 2004 when james comey refused to authorize an nsa surveillance program called stellar wind under george w. bush. comey learned members of the bush administration were headed to then josh ash croft's hospital room to get him to reauthorize the spying program. he called robert mueller to alurt him. >> i told him what was happening. he said i'll meet you at the it hospital right now. >> he was serving as the acting head of the justice department while ashcroft was in the hospital. he was later named fbi director in 2013 by president obama after mueller stepped down. for years comey and mueller have
spoken highly of each other. >> it's a gift given the way he's led this agency for 12 years and i promise to do my best to uphold his legacy. >> i've had the opportunity to work with jim for a number of years and i have found him to be a man of dedication, honesty and integrity. >> reporter: still, after breitbart quoted a former directser saying they have been the best of friends comey's attorney tried to set the record straight. "jim and bob are friends in the sense co workers are friends. they don't really have a personal relationship." he said the two men have only had lunch together once and dinner twice. another important note comey had nothing to do with mueller's appointment as special counsel. president trump had already fired comey by the time deputy
attorney general rod rosenstein brought him in to lead the investigation. now whether or not they have much of a friendship, they do seem to share many of the same values and believes. both were educated as virginia universities. mueller at the university of virginia and comey at william & mary. both worked with erick holder during his time at the justice department under the clinton administration. while the extent of their friendship remains unclear, they do both share reputation to having a commitment to credibility, truthfulness and honesty. >> regardless of your chosen career, you only as good as your word. you be smart, aggressive, articulate and persuasive, but if you're not honest, your reputation will suffer and once lost, a good reputation can never be regained. >> randy kay, cnn, new york.
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tonight the washington post is re porting president trump starts each day with a morning phone call with a member of his outside legal counsel to hash out the latest in the russia investigation. according to the washington post reporting, which includes interviews with trump confidents and advise rrs. they're trying to get the topic out of his system so he can compartmentalize it to varying degrees of success apparently. joining me are men who have spent time getting in the president's head, writing books about the civilian, donald trump. "the art of a being the donald", michael dean dwroen and author of the truth about trump. and brad travis is author of
"the trump factor" and a trump supporter. this morning the vent session with the president's attorneys, the idea is to do i guess what bill clinton was able to do which is compartmentalize the investigation. do you think it worked with donald trump? >> i really don't think it does work. i'm remind said of when i was a rambunctious little kid and my mom would send me to play to burnout some of the energy and within an hour i'd be bouncing off the walls again. and president trump is very much like a kid with attention deficit disorder who is easily di disstracted in one moment. so a phone call with the lawyers or meetingsing with attorneys might help briefly. so if he's given a pause, i think his resentment about an issue like his, his anger, his
obsession is going to come back and later in the day he may still tweet about it and he's obsessing about this being fake, something that the democrats or the press have trumped up. and it's why he can't move on to actually helping the countsry deal with this threat of russia, rather than just talking about how the threat doesn't really exist. >> i mean over the years you've been a source of the president's anger. you were sued by him. is it something he can expend? get it out of his head and move on from? >> no, because i think he's very afraid of the russia investigation. the core issue is that this has morphed from simply being an obstruction of justice investigation or a collusion investigation. i have serious doubt he cares about the collusion piece of it, into a financial investigation. and i think he's been concerned about that from the beginning and i think tlarls why he's been so aggressive in trying to derail it and has put it so
front of mind all the time in his administration. because it's going to come back to the money trail and that is going to lead to his wallet, his business operations and the thing about someone who over the course of his business career doesn't have a closet full of skeletons, he has a warehouse full of them. >> your feed is breaking up. brad, you knew the president as a businessman. you reported on him. would certain issues consume him back then? how do you see his ability to compartmentalize? >> first thing, the obsession with donald trump is his work ethic. he works harder than any other president in the white house. so he does get up early in the morning. that's correct. but he knows how to focus. >> when you say he works harder than any president, how do you know that? >> he wakes up early, i
campaigned with him for over a year and i've seen that work ethic. believe me it's there, absolutely. as far as the focus, donald trump understands whauta circle of confdance means. he's learned how to take one project at a time. health care, corporate tax, focus on those issues and he is not distracted and not scared of anything. donald trump is not scared of russia, believe me. >> you describe a guy who's laser focussed on a particular issue until it's done. his tweets seem to indicate the exact opposite. whether it's infrastructure week which begins with him tweeting about anything other than infrastructure. >> and we know what his tweeting sl about. he's directing his messaging to his 35 million or so voters who voted for him. the twitter comes involved, he's directing that message to his people.
that same message going to the people at the it rally. he's communicating effectively with his audience. twitter's one of those methods he uses obviously. >> you think those tweets are not him venting, just grabbing a machine at 6:00 a.m. you seem to be indicating it's a very well thought out plan that's nothing but good for hi?, >> absolutely. and that's why he's in the white house. >> i think there's a lot of people who would argue the exact opposite. we have a special counsel now because of a tweet that motivated comey to leave something. is that how you see his work ethic? >> no, i don't. i mean i've seen no evidence prior to the presidential campaign that he was especially hard working at all. we now know he gets very tired when he was in italy with
european leaders, he was the one in the golf cart, following everyone behind while they were walking. so this was a person who may have good stamina for someone his age. he doesn't exercise. the tweeting, to me, is evidence of a mind not very well focussed. and when you listen to him talk, he can't stay focussed on a topic long enough to make one coherent sentence, let alone a paragraph. that's why he's always contradicting himself. he'll say we have an answer in two weeks and a month goes by. i don't have confidence he's focussed at all. >> i apologize. we lost the skype on you. up next another gop senator comes out against the senate health care bill. they said they're still looking at the plan. we'll speak with one republican senator who falls in the undecided camp at this point when we come back. our daughter home,t
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reviewing it. one senator set his own litmus test in may. take a listen. >> could you support a bill that allows insurance companies to cap their payouts to customers? >> umm, as you present that, i ask does it pass the jimmy kimmel test? will the child with heart disease need to get everything he or she would need in that first year of life. >> thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> at this point, can you say if the senate version passes the jimmy kimmel test? >> the simple answer, yes, it does. there's no lifetime limits. it does lower the cost of premiums. sure, you have insurance, but if you can't afford the premiums you don't have insurance. and it does lower that cost.
there are other things to consider, but simply put, if your child is born with a congenital heart problem, there would be no lifetime limit on the cost of the care that they could receive. >> are there limits on sort of how detailed the plan is that people can get? people can get a cheaper plan but doesn't have as much coverage? >> what you're referring to, again, this does not repeal the essential health benefits. it still covers addictions and all the other things that you would expect. it's probably pretty good. turns out those are only 4% of the total cost of the premium. so i think that's a small price to pay. >> are you ready to support it at this point? >> i'm still working through it. we're about 2/3 of the way through it. my staff and i. stake holders back home are looking at it, as well. we're just trying to put it together. >> what are you hearing from constituents? i assume you hear from both
sides. >> i smile, because i get one text, the guy saying listen, my premiums are $1700 a month, my deductibles are $6,000 for me, $13,000 for my family, you have to vote for it. the next text, is omg, you can't vote for it. it's not right for our state. >> i get the same texts every night. >> i e-mailed one friend back and said listen, let me explain how it really works. so a lot of what people are getting is almost if you will, slamming the bill without understanding the bill. >> the president campaigned of the not cutting medicaid at all, fr but the senate bill does seem to limit medicaid. >> if someone gets off medicate to private insurance, that could be a good thing. some of those patient also go on private insurance. secondly, what is poorly understood, under current law,
the medicaid expansion is not really sustainable for states. in california, under current law, by 2020, they would have to put up $2.2 billion for the state of california's share of obamacare, for the expansion. my state, $310 million. really a big chunk of change for our state, which is relatively state. so under current law, medicaid is not sustainable. it has to be fixed for the states themselves and also for the patients. >> do you have a sense of when you're going the make a decision? >> i'm working through it on the weekend of the i'll go in on monday and take as long as i need. obviously, leader mcconnell wants a vote next week, so we're working hard. but i will not decide until i feel like i understand the bill. >> senator, appreciate you join us. welcome to new york, as well. up next, president trump tweeting moments ago on russia. we'll have that for you in a moment. rse he was strong...
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