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vladimir putin. also, back to the drawing board. five republican senators now publicly opposing the senate health care bill in its current form. we're going to discuss what changes have to be made to get a passing vote next week. plus, she's held the most powerful political office of any american woman, but is nancy pelosi's leadership a liability? the desperation to rebrand the democratic party before 2018. cnn "newsroom" starts right now. hey, there, i'm boris sanchez in for fredricka whitfield. she has the day off. thanks for. >> julie:ing us on "newsroom." we'll show you live pictures out of miami beach where president bill clinton is scheduled to address mayors from across the country who have gathered there for their annual conference. we'll bring you those remarks amid a strenuous debate over health care and several investigations into the white house's links to russia during
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the election. as soon as he gets to the podium, we will take you there. president trump is now responding to stunning details from a "washington post" report about president obama's efforts to stop russian meddling in the 2016 election. last night, he tweeted out, "just out, the obama administration knew far in advance of november 8th about election meddling by russia. did nothing about it. why?" "the washington post" reveals that obama knew russian president vladimir putin was directly involved. it also chronicles the super secretive and strained play by play of what the obama administration did do in response to the meddling, mostly through sanctions that even obama administration officials admit were mostly symbolic. let's get more on this from cnn washington correspondent ryan nobles. he's joining us live from the white house. ryan, let's backtrack for a second because just this week, the president called claims of russian meddling a democratic hoax. but it seems like he just acknowledged that it actually
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did happen. what do you think? >> yeah, boris, when given the opportunity to pin russia's intervention in the u.s. election on the previous administration, it seems as though the president has no problem saying that russia was involved, but of course his past statements, he's been back and forth about just how important russia's intervention was during the u.s. election and even blamed it on other countries perhaps china, even going as far to say it could have been done by one man, a 400-pound man sitting at his bed. but, yes, you're right. he is specifically pointing to parts of this report where even past administration officials describe what happened with the obama administration as the administration sort of choking and he said that in a tweet as you mentioned, but he also talked about it in an interview with fox news that's scheduled to air tomorrow. take a listen. >> well, i just heard today for the first time that obama knew about russia a long time before the election and he did nothing about it, but nobody wants to talk about that. the cia gave him information on
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russia a long time before they even -- before the election, and i hardly see it. it's an 'maizing thing to me. in order, the question is if he had the information, why didn't he do something about it? he should have dope something about it. >> as you pointed out, the obama administration did do something about it. but they didn't do everything at their disposal at the time. there's reasons for that. tay argue it happened too late, they didn't find out about it until august, but president obama did personally confront vladimir putin during a meeting of the g-20 back in september and he was also very concerned about the political ramifications at the time. he thought that if he intervened too heavily that would make it look as though he was attempting to help hillary clinton's campaign. boris, a lot of this 20/20 hindsight but to your original point, a much different view from the white house has to the role russia played than we've heard previously.
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>> ryan nobles, thank you. let's get political with our panel. mike shields, former chief of staff to reince priebus, jose, the former deputy press secretary for the democratic national committee, and joining us again today from moscow, jill doherty, former cnn moscow bureau chief. mike, we have to ask, which is it? does the president believe the hack was a hoax or did it actually happen? your thoughts. >> i think what has happened in american politics is the russians clearly were trying to interfere if in our elections. we have congressional investigations going into that. but because of partisan politics, the left, the democrats and a lot of people in media have become obsessed with how do we hang this on the president, try and find some collusion with his campaign and take our eye off the ball of what we should be talking about, which is what the russians did. it's turned into this huge political football, which by the way there's been scores of investigators looking for it and absolutely zero evidence of anything has turned up that
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there was any collusion, but that is the sort of way democrats want to use this to explain how hillary clinton lost as opposed to focusing on a foreign state trying to med until our elections and focus on the real investigation of what was done by the government, who knew in the government about it, why wasn't something addressed. so perhaps now we can get back to that and stop focusing so much on this being a partisan attack on the president to try and tie his campaign to smething when there's literally been zero evidence of any wrong doing there. >> even outside of the question of collusion, there's still a question of whether or not the president actually believes that russia meddled in the election. up until last night, it was murky. there was no clear indication. he himself called it a hoax and partly created that political football, don't you think? >> i think he's responding to the partisan attacks and so some of his language is going to bend towards this whole thing is baloney meaning his campaign colluding or this somehow affecting his administration is ballooning. i think the republicans on capitol hill and democrats working together to investigate the russians' meddling in the
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election itself, and i think that's where the focus needs to be. the president's talking more about the idea that somehow this can be blamed on him or his campaign opera tichs when there's been no evidence of that, and we need to get back to focusing on this being a foreign state trying to meddling in our elections and what the u.s. government at the time knew about it. >> jose to you, it appears the president is blaming the obama administration for not having done more. one administration official is quoted in that article as saying we choked, they dropped the ball and didn't do enough to get back at vladimir putin for orchestrating this meddling. do you think the obama administration choked? >> look, i think we have to be fair here and the former administration. they didn't have all the answers, all the information, and like you reported it was too late. i think part of this whole thing, we have to be careful.
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it can undermine our democracy. we have to be to get to the bottom of the investigation. it's taking over washington and the country, scandal after scandal. the president of the united states, donald trump, is on sesed with this investigation, which is why you see him tweeting day after day auking about it. my question to the president is simple. did the russians interfere? yes or no. first he blamed it on the democrats, it was a witch-hunt-now he's blaming it on the former president. which is it? i have the utmost respect for the special counsel. they have an outstanding team. we need to get to the bottom of this so we can continue looking for solutions that the american people are demanding, creating jobs, driving our economy upwards and so forth. >> to be fair, jose, there are administration officials that have said we didn't know the full scope of this thing, but they had reviewed several options to get back at russia going back to the fall of last year, sanctions that could have, quote, cratered the russian economy. so why didn't they carry those thins out? >> look, i mean, again, i think
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president obama and hi administration, they did everything they could at the time. it's a very sensitive topic. they can't just act without having all the information, which is why the investigation is ongoing. we don't have all the answers. we know so many people have testified and there are so many people that are going to continue to testify so we look for these answers. this isn't going to go anywhere, boris. i think we have a long way before we get to a solution. >> to be clear, there was a report put out october 7th from several intelligence agencies, essentially outlining russian meddling in the election. jill, a really unsettling aspect of this reporting is just how expansive, how orchestrated the russians were. how long do you think they were planning this? have you gotten any indication? >> i think for a very long time. if you look at the way the administration at the time was looking at this, they thought that in the beginning that this was just kind of the usual
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intelligence that russia collects about everything. and there was a big election coming up. and so you began -- in the beginning they were thinking it's just information collecting, spying activity, et cetera, kind of the normal thing. then you see more and more. hacking into e-mails, e-mails spread by wikileaks. then you see a greater pattern. then you see as was in "the washington post" story, more and more russian officials trying to get visas to the united states and those officials have technical background, which was also a bit suspicious. then you have more information that begins to point directly to vladimir putin as the person who instigated this. i think it was incremental in the beginning. but the significance of how big it is i think is really great that they were using everything, they were using hacking, they were using fake news, they were
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using bots, they were using social media, they were using a lot of different things to influence what was going on in the united states. and i think this debate, you know, about there is no proof, there is no proof yet. that's what these investigations are for. so to say that collusion is not proven, yes. at this point, it is not proven. but these investigations are going on and that's why they have to continue. ultimately, what would be very important would be the next steps. what will the president now, president trump do to avert this happening in the future? because you can bet that it is going to. russia learned a lot of lessons from what happened. and part of them, part of that lesson is that they can influence in various ways. they can influence with, again, fake news and tweets and all sorts of things that can affect the mentality of americans not
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only very concrete factors. >> mike, i do want to ask you about something kellyanne conway said yesterday on "new day." she said she was confident that no votes were changed because of russian meddling. listen to this. >> this didn't have an impact on the electoral result. not a single vote was changed and we're going to stand by that. we know that donald trump won fairly and squarely, 306 electoral votes. it had nothing to do with interference. >> more voters leaning towards donald trump with the constant stream of e-mails we saw by wikileaks and the havoc it wreaked on the democratic party. >> first of all, i want to go back to something jill said. with all due respect, i think it's irresponsible to say nothing is proven yet. when the media uses words like that, it sort of layers over big cast of sort of guilty doubt on these stories and that's what the administration gets so frustrated with. there's been nothing prove because there's nothing there and tons of people have been
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looking for it, and the investigations into this so-called collusion go on and on and on and apparently are clouding out what we should be focused on. >> you don't know that. >> which is what the administration did last fall, what did they know and when did they switch reporting this out to people and start focusing on what the trump campaign may or may not have done. i think we have to be very careful when we talk about the so-called collusion investigation. in terms of kellyanne is talking about, she's saying the same thing. there have been reports that have come out that the russians tried to hack into sort of machines or different voting things and they weren't successful, and that's the key point. it looks like they attempted to do some things where they would have affected votes and they couldn't even get to the first layer. the technical people have said they weren't even past the first fire wall that they could get through. and so i think what she's talking about is the fact there's been zero proof this actually benefited anyone, affected anything when it came to actual counting of votes and elections. i think that's different from the fact that we need to focus on what the russian state did to try and interfere in our
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elections. there are bipartisan investigations into that and we should focus as a nation on what the russians did and not make this sort of some partisan political football to tie and try the trump campaign to what's going on and focus on what the government knew, when they knew it, what they reported out back last fall. >> jill, i want to give you a chance to respond. >> well, ill just say that a lot of this is very difficult to prove. i'll give you an example. and i'm not saying either side is right, but i'll give you an example. there was video that was released, i saw it on russian media and certainly these pictures were in the united states on social media, showing hillary clinton as very, very ill to the point of maybe even dying or mentally ill, and these pictures were played over and over again. now, in classic propaganda, you could use a picture like that about any leader and say -- and
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show it to people over and over again, and people might begin to believe that why should i vote for somebody who is crazy? why should i vote for somebody who's going to die? and that can have an effect on an election, which is very hard to quantify. because we all tend to believe, and i do, too, that when you get to the voting booths and votes, you know, concrete objects, that probably didn't happen. but how the mentality, the psychology of people was affected i think is important to understand, because if we don't understand that, we will miss what russia -- the techniques that russia is using to influence united states democracy. >> and of course it's very difficult to quantify. jill dougherty reporting from moscow, thank you. mike and jose, please stick around. we have a lot more to discuss with you. jose, i'll also give you a chance to respond to the comments from kellyanne. still ahead, senate republicans are unveiling their health care plan and now the
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next big test for president trump. he tweeted this out this morning -- "democrats slammed gop health care proposal as obama premiums and deductibles increase by over 100%. remember keep your doctor, keep your plan?" mike shields, jose aristimuno are back with us. mike, democrats are painting the senate health care bill as meaner than the house version, which the president himself reportedly called mean. now can president trump help mitch mcconnell get to 50 votes if he's handing the opposition these free attacks? >> this is what always happens in legislation. we're finally seeing legislating happening again in washington, d.c., so it's a little bit of a shock to the system to some people to see what happens. you get close to the vote and all of a sudden you'll highlight who are the three or four senators that want to go negotiate with the leadership and get something changed in the bill. the same thing happened in the house. the house bill failed at first, then was dead and suddenly it passed.
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i think all of these are posturing. you'll see tweets and comments and people will make maneuvers and really what this is all about is negotiating behind the scenes. what we know is that obamacare is failing. we have aetna pulling out of more states. you have millions of people now losing their health care coverage. you have people because of obamacare, because they can't afford it. prices have skyrocketed. they've more than doubled in premiums and over a majority of the state. the pressure of the system collapsing eventually is going to weigh on the united states senate and they're going to get something passed. what we're going to watch in the meantime is posturing as people try to negotiate for their best position. >> jose, the balance is obviously tricky for senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. he can only lose two votes. leesing any one faction of the republicans could ultimately tank the bill, pushing it in a different direction. who do the democrats focus on trying to keep away from voting yes? >> i think the important thing here is that the american people have a voice. the american people have been demanding, calling their
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senators, and they've been saying, look, this bill doesn't work. this bill is un-american. we're talking about pushing back on women's health care. we're talking about benefits that we are no longer going to have. so the big mistake is the republicans from the very beginning should have looked for ways and solutions to work with the democrats to improve obamacare. yes, we admit it, it's not perfect. it needs work. the fact you want to repeal it and start with something new, it doesn't make sense. with this, you want to talk about mean, what this bill does is not good for poor people. people who don't have as much sort of opportunities as the rest of americans. this bill doesn't work. it's why these five senators that you're talking about are facing a lot of pressure back home. >> mike, back to you. republicans vowed to repeal and replace obamacare. some funding cuts notwithstanding. isn't this ultimately a tweak to obamacare? that's the case that ted cruz is making. >> not at all. first of all, i have to laugh at the idea that republicans should have come to democrats to work with this.
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democrats from the beginning created a movement called resist for president trump where they don't even want to acknowledge he's the rightful president of the united states. they've taken every step they can to take themselves out tf process saying they're going to fight everything, sending people to town halls -- >> not true. >> saying republicans are trying to kill people with their health care bill. but by the way why shouldn't we work with the democrats on this? >> not true. >> back to 1996, that's when welfare reform was passed by a republican house and signed by a democratic president six weeks before the election. actually vetoed it twice, then looked at the polls and signed it into law. at that time, democrats are saying the same thing. john lewis went down to the house noor and said there will be a million new children in the street, they're coming after the women, coming after the children. in the end what happened was some welfare to work requirements were put in and the majority of people on well far actually liked the welfare reform. what happened in the last administration was president obama boosted medicare -- medicaid, excuse me, beyond poor people and this bill brings it back and says we're going to
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it is half past noon and we are watching and waiting because any minute now former president bill clinton will address more than 250 of the nation's mayors at a conference in miami beach. cnn's rosa flores joins us from that conference. rosa? >> reporter: hi, boris. good afternoon. there are a lot of people in this conference room. this is where former president bill clinton is expected to speak between 12:45 and 12:15. this will be a city livability luncheon. now, what that means is we're expecting the president to speak about how some cities around the country during a very challenging time have actually become more equitable. now, some of those challenges we're expecting to talk about and touch on, immigration, sanctuary cities, health care, jobs, economy, a lot of those very, very tough issues that we're facing during this current climate. and boris, as you know, we're
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expecting president clinton to talk here in this room and a lot of anticipation of course because we don't know exactly what he's going to say. we'll wait and see. and we'll bring it to you as soon as that happens. >> you have to think he might mention something about health care, the investigations into the white house connections to russia and all of that. rosa, we thank you for keeping an eye on that. we'll get back to you as soon as he takes the stage. thank you. meantime, democrats are trying to recover from crushing losses in special elections in typically red districts of georgia and south carolina, which had a real shot at flipping. so how exactly does the party move forward and gain ground? some democratic lawmakers say it starts with a much-needed change in leadership. listen. >> we need a winning strategy and the first step is a change in leadership. >> i don't think people in the beltway are realizing just how toxic the democratic party brand is. >> you think nancy pelosi is
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more toxic than donald trump? >> you know what, the honest answer is in some areas of the country, yes, she is. >> joining us now to discuss possible rebranding of the democratic party, cnn political commentator and former ohio state senator nina turner and emily kardona. nina, let's start with you. you heard tim ryan making the case the democrats, their brand in some ways is worse than donald trump's. the president's approval rating has hovered in the mid-30s for some time now. what does that say about where the democrats stand? >> and the democrats polling among people in this country not better. it really says that the democrats cannot just run an anti-trump campaign. that didn't work in 2016 and it certainly did not work in the special elections that we just saw, four consecutive losses, not to mention some special elections last year. the fact of the matter is that we need a new deal remix and the
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democratic party should be the party standing up for the folks. the democratic party needs to go back to the fdr when he talked about an economic bill of rights in the 1944. talked about good jobs, decent wages, good living conditions or decent living conditions, which i would say good living conditions, education and protections for people who need it like elderly people, disabled people, people who are unemployed. that is a solid message. but just running against mr. trump is not going to win over or motivate voters in this country. >> maria, there was talk this week about nancy pelosi's place within the democratic party. her defenders cite the fact she is a prolific fund-raiser. she herself says that she's worth the trouble. but one texas democrat made this counterargument. listen. >> there's no question she is a prolific fund raiser. she raised millions of millions of dollars.
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but what has that money gotten us in the last four election cycles? >> maria, has that fund-raising advantage ultimately benefited democrats if they have continuously suffered losses? >> look, let's be very clear. everybody likes to talk about these last four special elections and the fact that democrats lost and try to equate that to the death of the democratic party. that is absolutely ridiculous, boris. these districts were ruby red districts. the fact that democrats were even in contention means that we were in a very good position and will be in a very good position to continue to make gains going into 2018. look, jon ossoff, sure, he might have made some mistakes, but from everything that i understand, he ran a very good campaign. he came within less than four points of karen handel when tom price, who ran just last november, won that seat by 23
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points. those are huge gains, boris. i agree with nina. we can't just have an agenda that is anti-trump. and guess what, we don't. we need to aggressively continue to talk about what we're doing for middle class fam lis, low-income families, all those families not born with silver spoons in their mouths or trust funds in the bank. we need to talk about how republicans want to take away health care from 24 million people, the same health care that, guess who passed it in the congress, nancy pelosi. the reason why republicans hate nancy pelosi and use her as a lightning rod is because she has been such an effective legislator. and for those people who believe that even if she steps down that republicans will stop using her as a lightning rod, i think are being naive. so we have a lot of promising things that we can run on. we are making gains. you said it, boris. donald trump is at 36% approval rating, which is a record low.
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american people chose the democratic agenda over the republican agenda-in this past election cycle by almost 3 million votes. those are things we need to continue to remember and continue to run on aggressively. >> but boris, the democrats have lost over 1,100 seats over the last decade. so i agree with maria, this is not just about those four special elections. this is about the fact that democrats have lost state legislatures, governor's mansions, and seats in the house of congress over the last ten years. that is what this is about. and we need to wake up and get a clue. that is not just about the person who can raise the most money. it is about the person who can touch the hearts of the people and get folks to get out there and vote. my god, if democrats are not going to do it, who else will do it? >> i completely agree with that, nina. we need to work towards getting the right candidates to run in the right places and to talk about our agenda, which the majority of the american people agree with us on. >> but not just talking about
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the already delicate relationship between the white house and the press is growing more tense with both sides critical of how the other operates. the white house has held just two on camera press briefings in the past two weeks and that's frustrated reporter who is accuse the white house of a lack of access and transparency. but the white house says that on-camera briefings are just one way to get their message out. i'm joined now by cnn senior media correspondent and host of "reliable sources," brian stelter along with cnn media analyst bill carter. thanks for joining us. i want you to listen to sean spicer defending these off-camera briefings. listen. >> some dais we'll do it. i think it's -- it's great for us to come out here and have a
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substantive discussion about policies. i don't think the be all and end all is whether it's on television or not. we made ourselves available a lot of times and will continue to. but i'd rather have an enjoyable conversation with you on issues on a friday afternoon and let the president's comments stand on the great things that he's standing on behalf of our nation's veterans. >> bill, do you think we're having more sub tstantive conversations because the cameras aren't around. >> hardly. of course not. it's another way to block substance. that's what it's about. if you think about it, an awful lot of america gets their information from television an if you cut the cameras off you're not giving the information. i'm not saying it has to be live necessarily, but how can they do it and not have cameras available when so much of what is being transferred to people is coming through television? i think it's really denying the access to people who control the government, which is the actual people, not the administration.
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>> brian, while sean spicer is talking to the press corps off camera, he did talk to fox news twice yesterday on camera. so is the administration only going to do interviews with people they find friendly? >> right now that's what we are seeing. president trump gave an interview to fox on thursday and again on friday. there were two sean spicer interviews yesterday, also an interview with his daughter-in-law, lara trump, on hannity last night. this is in some ways a fox news presidency. this white house prefers to be speaking on fox and mostly the friendly interviewers on fox. it's part of a broader thing we've seen the past five months which is this president speaking to his base and not so much trying to persuade the rest of the country to listen to him, to support him, to approve of him. we've seen the approval ratings. he's between 35% and 40% in the approval ratings and that's really the audience he's speaking with through his rallies, through twitter, through these intervous on fox. he doesn't seem to be trying hard to persuade the rest of the country. he seems desiring to speak
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mostly to his fans. we should point out here, all governments try to withhold and try to avoid tough questions. it's just that the trump administration is doing it much more egregiously than bush or clinton or obama or past presidents did. normally we'd have an off-camera briefing almost every day of the week. now we've seen them once a week in this new strategy this month. it may hurt the white house, it definitely hurts the public's access to information. >> bill, do you think that it might hurt the white house cutting off his opportunity, one of the biggest opportunities they have to get their message out? >> well, i think it's hurting them with an awful lot of people. it's not hurting with their base as brian points out. and, you know, he has a propaganda arm he can go to to reach that base in fox news. so he's using that effectively, but it's not expanding his base and it also is just denying the rest of the country access to their president. he's not just president of those people. he's president of all the people. so if he cuts off these people, it's not just that he can't
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expand his message. it's that he's literally not doing his job. he's our president too. >> brian, i would believe that this is straight out of "snl," though they're not on the air in the summer. i do want your thoughts on having a sketch artist in the press briefing room. we sent one there friday because our cameras were banned. here's what the sketch artist came up with. what do you make of this? >> this is by bill hen see, one of the best known courtroom artists out there. he usually works with the supreme court but on friday, cnn sent him to the briefing in order to show what we weren't seeing on camera. i think it was notable cnn did not send a cartoonist. we weren't trying to make fun of the briefing. he sent a very legitimate courtroom artist in order to paint a picture of what we weren't seeing on camera. what makes this so strange, guys, this idea that the brief rgs off camera is we've never lived in a world more technological ability to show everything to anyone at any time. i mean, if i pick um my phone here and click the instagram button it only takes me two clicks to go live.
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so all of a sudden i'm broadcasting live to anybody i want to. you can see it on instagram right now. it's so easy nowadays to show everything live. and that's what makes this white house's restriction so odd. viewers might wonder why don't news outlets just hold their cameras up during the briefing? the answer is it would make an even tense situation even more tense ark bad thing even worse. there would be concerns about the white house revoking credentials and things like that. right now it's worth it for reporters to be in the room even when there are restrictions to be able to demand the answers to questions the white house doesn't want to answer. >> gentlemen, we have the leave it there because we are out of time. bill carter and brian stelter, thank you. catch brian tomorrow at 11:00 on "reliable sources." still ahead, we are waiting to hear from former president bill clinton at a conference in miami beach. we're going to bring you his comments once he takings the stage. to the safety first... i think i might burst... totally immersed weekenders. whatever kind of weekender you are, there's a hilton for you.
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