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even though taiwan's president attended the revamped panama canal's opening ceremony, the first vessel to pass through it was actually chinese. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. the battle over health care. >> the plan in its entirtly absolutely pring premiuming down. >> they proposition too much. premiums go down? no way the republican bill brings down premiums. >> i don't think the bill is adequate now. unless it gets fixed i'm against it. >> no way in god's earth this bill should be passed. >> democrats themselves many admitted obamacare is a failure. >> if you stop dobb thinking repeal which is trumpcare, we'll sit down with you and make it better. >> i see this bill sass first step, a first important step in the direction of repealing those portions of obamacare we k. the senate health care bill is on
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the table, were ut will but wil the votes to pass? that's ahead in the "cnn newsroom." hey there. i'm boris sanchez in for fredricka whitfield. thank you so much for joining us on the "cnn newsroom" this sunday. we start with a bill with harsh, the request from president trump today, as republican senators scramble to adjust their controversial health care plan ahead of this week's vote. five lawmakers publicly opposed built in its current form the president says he is confident they will get there. >> health care is a very complicated subject from the standpoint that you move it this way and this group doesn't like it. move it a little over here, you have a very narrow path. and honestly, nobody can be totally happy. even without the vote. forget about votes. this has nothing to do with votes. this has to do with picking a plan that everybody's going to like. i'd like to say love, but like. but we have a very good plan.
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we have a few people that are -- i think you could say modestly, they're not standing on the rooftops and screaming. they want points, i think they'll get some points, and i don't think they're that far off. i don't think they're that far off. famous last words, right? but i think we're going to get there. >> let's head straight to the white house and cnn white house correspondent athena jones. athena is there anymore indication from the president on how he would like to see the bill changed before the vote this week? >> reporter: hi, boris. the white house isn't being specific about what kind of changes the president might like to see. white house press secretary sean spicer was asked and thinks he's very pleased with the senate repeal effort. a lot of reforms in it the president likes. he wraunts to push it forward, but also said if there are other ideas or amendments that could strength the bill, the president is all ears. as you know, boris, there are already five senators who have
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come out, republican senators who have come out in opposition to this bill. a number of other republican senators who expressed serious concerns about the bill, although they're holding out hope they can get to, yes. you saw the president just yesterday, yesterday after, trying to put the pressure on members of his own party, tweeting, i cannot imagine that these very fine republican senators would allow the american people to suffer a broken obamacare any longer. so the president is, seems to be aware there that he's going to have to rely entirely on his own party to get this through. he's complained frequently about democrats not being will be to work with republicans on think, but that is no surprise. bottom line here, these five senators already in vocal opposition is the wrong direction to be moving in. the gop can only afford to lose two senators, and still get this bill passed. the president was also asked about comments that he presidis
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predecessor, president obama said, paying more for less and called the bill fundamentally mean. here is what the president had to say about that on fox. >> he actually used my term, "mean." that was my term, because i want to see -- i want to see -- and i speak from the heart. what i want to see. i want to see a bill with heart. >> reporter: we've heard this repeatedly from the president. he wants to see a bill with heart. the white house now says he supports the senate version but several republican senators don't feel it will do enough. conservatives feel not far enough in undoing obamacare and moderates concerned it will hurt people. for instance on medicaid, in states hit hard by the opioid crisis. the people are not going to be able to afford treatment. hard to see how the gaps can be bridged to please enough people, but that's what they're going to be working on in the coming days, and one more tweet i want
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to mayor is from the president in the last ten minutes. this is central to the argument the white house says he's been making to senators that he's talking to. this is the potus account, official account saying obamacare is dead. insurance markets collapsing and millions don't have choices. americans deserve better. we can expect that to be central to the argument he makes as he talks with senators to try to get them onboard for a vote this week. boris? >> all right, athena jones reporting from the white house. thank you. republicans are very divided on this. one of them govern every john kasich on cnn "state of the union" with dana bash expressing deep concerns over this bill. listen. >> do you think that senator portman of ohio should vote no? >> well, i don't think the bill's adequate now, and unless it gets fixed -- look, i'm against it. and i'm not against it just because i want to be against it. there's some things in these, in these bills, in these, in these provisions, that are an
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improvement. my job, as i see my job, as a governor of a state, not as a republican governor, but the governor of this state, my job is to look, not just today, but in the out years at the impact it's going to have on people who have, who need help. can they improve this bill? yes. i think they could improve it. i hope they do. >> if there is no improvement, just to be clear you are encouraging your senator and -- >> look -- dana -- who knows how i -- >> you're encouraging republicans to vote against this unless it's improved. >> no. what i'm encouraging them to do is to fix it. now, look, i'm going to be -- i just wrote a letter with a bunch of democrat governors and republican governors. okay? and what we're saying is, let's work together on this. let's not rush something through. let's have transparency. let's have some cooperation between the parties, because if you don't, this bill's not
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sustainable. >> meantime, tom price, health and human services secretary, also on cnn this morning defending the bill he says will bring down insurance premiums for americans. >> can you promise that at the end of the day what the president will sign will bring premiums down for a majority of americans? >> the plan in its entirtly absolutely pring premiums down. increase competition, increase choices for individuals. allow folks to purchase the coverage they want, not that the government forces them to buy. all the secret keys to a market that actually works for health care and works for patients. that's the key. we've got to, a health care system that may work for government, may work for insurance companies in certain instances but that's ending as well, but it certainly doesn't work for patients. that's the key we're trying to get to. have a health care system that works for patients across this land. >> i think it would be very interesting for constituencies of every congressman that voted
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noor bill to ask just one question. are you above 250 on your adjusted gross income? and if you were, how much would you save from what you paid last year from this bill you just passed? >> so what's the answer? how much would you save under the house and senate bills? >> remember that obamacare taxes were put in place to build a whole new government program, government-run health care. when you back out of that, when you make it so you've got a patient-centered system, where patients and families and doctors are running health care and not the federal government, then that of necessity allows to you do so with not as much money. we believe it's vital we decrease taxes for the american people, allow them to keep more of their hard earned money. dana did you appreciate, i don't know if your listeners do, there's 6.5 million americans now paying $3 billion in penalties in taxes just for the privilege of not purchasing health coverage. can you match than? that's a system that isn't working for those 6.5 million.
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how about lowering taxes for those 6.5 million? >> i understand that. but the question now is when it comes to the bill that is before the united states senate. the fact of the matter is, people like you are going to get a tax cut. >> well, the fact of the matter is, those 6.5 million will no wlong longer have a penalty or tax to the federal government because they're not interested in purchasing what the government wants to force them to buy. >> all right. let's dig deeper. we've got cnn's presidential historian and cnn political analyst with us and cnn political analyst patrick he'al with us. tim, start with you. so far five republican senators have come ot and opposeded bill if it doesn't change. four say it doesn't go far enough in repealing obamacare. now, the freedom caucus, spent the past eight years calling for a total repeal. did you expect a stronger response from them? seems like they're willing to negotiate? >> oh, boris, i mean -- i've
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or minority whip.d as majority i am not sure what their messaging is. i'll tell you the important messaging now and that's what governor kasich said. because governor kasich, like every governor in this country hashes to worry about actual individual people. a lot of the verbiage, a lot of what you're hearing from congress, and you heard from mr. price, is very abstract. the sense that the system will work, that eventually every -- you know, premiuming will come down. kasich can't -- can't pretend, can't wait to do this experiment, because he needs to have the money for opioid problems and for the mentally ill and he needs that money every single year, and he knows, because he's worked on budgets when he was in the federal government, he knows how expensive these things become over time. so the people who understand the date-to-day reality of the health care system in america
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are not going to be persuaded by the language that the republicans are using at the moment to sell this senate bill. >> patrick, to you. you heard tom price speaking to our dana bash. after pressing he admitted or stod by his statement this plan in its entirety would bring health insurance premiums down. but listen to what rand paul said about that this morning. >> they've promised too much. say they're going to fix health care and premiums go down? there's no way the republican bill brings down premiums. look, i've been in medicine 20 years. i'm 54 years old. premiums have never gone down. they're not going to go down after the republican bill and it's a false sort of over-promising to say, oh, yeah. insurance premiuming will go down but we're keeping 10 of the 12 mandates that caused prices to go up? it's a foolish notion to promise something you can't provide. >> patrick, rand pauliously one
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of those gop senators opposing the bill in its current form. is tom price over-promising? >> i think tom price has talking points and his talking points are about the entirety of the bill. will you hear tom price or other republicans talk about the entirety of the plan, what they're talking about basically is sort of pass the bill. try to get a plan out of congress and then we at department of health and human services under tom price will be working for the states to implement it so it gets better. this is -- you know some would call it kind of wishful thinking. basically, they're saying that, well, let's just get something through and then sort of after the fact we'll make the adjustments that john kasich in ohio or senator heller in neff never and governor sandoval in nevada have real concerns about, but the reality is, this is a big gamble for people who get health care through either medicaid, through some kind of
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government program, through the insurance, through the insurance markets, because they're really not going to know how they're going to come out on the other side. the only sort of hope is that, you know, you get something through congress and then tom price and president trump and the others will sort of create again something in its entirety that will bring premiums down, but rand paul has a point. i don't know anyone, frankly, in my life, in my colleagues' lives, whose premiums have gone drastically down in our lifetime. so this is, these are talking points. >> if i may, one thing that's very significant, and i agree with patrick. it's very significant about what mr. price said, he actually wants the -- the approach to be judged not on the basis of the bill. he's promising some future work by his department to create a freer market that will bring prices down. it's completely ideological, and
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it's russian roulette at the same time. i believe that mr. price is preparing for a bad cbo number next week, and what they're saying is, look, the cbo will say that this won't achieve what we think it will, but we're promising you it's embedded in a whole new approach, and that's a gamble i don't see how the country can take. >> patrick, quickly. what do you think the republicans are going to do with the cbo number? seems when the house version came around they kind of scoffed at it, said it wasn't real. how do you think they'll approach it this time? >> it's going to be hump, boge. the moderate republicans are going to say, my god, you're throwing so many people off of insurance through medicaid, and they're going to be looking for adds to the bill, but this is mitch mcconnell's tough spot. trying to add amendments, votes to the bim to add spending and people from utah and from texas,
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certainly rand paul, like, wait. this thing is getting bigbigger? you expect us to vote for it? very hard . >> i have 20 more questions but we're out of time. thank you very much for joining us. up next, the finger pointing over russia's role in the 2016 election is in full force right now in washingon. with trump and his administration launching fresh attacks on former president obama. but it's not just republicans. democrats are now adding to the chorus of criticism. >> i think the administration needed to call out russia earlier.
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president trump is once again taking aim at his predecessor. now accusing former president obama of "doing nothing about russian interference in the 2016 election" i. just heard for the first time today that obama knew about russia a long time before the election, and he did nothing about it, but nobody wants to talk about that. to me, you know, in other words,
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the question is, if he had the information, why didn't he do something tab? he should have done something about it. >> not just president trump criticizing president obama or even the republican party. now members of obama's own party are pointing fingers. joined live from washington, ryan nobles. kind of rare for so many to target a former president. you would think obama was running for office again? >> yes, but this "washington post" article revealed a lot we didn't know before and president obama spent a lot of time before and amp the campaign trying to downplay russia's role in the 2016 election. now after this report in the "post" detailing the response to the intelligence community's assessment, seems willing to admit pruad admit russia play add role as long as he can blame president obama. when they found out it was really too late to stop the impact of russia's efforts and
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obama was concerned intervening too much might have had a dramatic political ramification giving the impression, perhaps, president obama was work are for hillary clinton's campaign. one concedes they could have done more. adam schiff, ranking member on the intelligence committee seemed to agree. >> the american people needed to know, and i didn't think it was fluff to tell them after the election, but rather given the seriousness of this, i think the administration needed to call out russia earlier. needed to act to deter and punish russia earlier, and i think that was a very serious mistake. >> now, schiff did go on to say even though obama could have and maybe should have done more that doesn't change the fact that candidate trump was part of the problem eggingicy leeks and even russia on, telling them in speeches to reveal more hacked dnc e-mails and e-mails from hillary clinton's private server and now it appears president
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trump is using president obama's inaction to deflect from the investigation into his possible collusion in russia which he, of course, denied. this morning trump tweeting "hillary clinton colluded with the democratic party in order to beat crazy can bernie sanders. is she allowed to so collude, unfair to bernie"? of course during the campaign trump made this claim basing it on hacked e-mails revealed in the wikileaks dump of the democratic national committee showing officials favoring clinton's campaign during the primary season. this comes at a time when fbi director mueller continues his investigation and at least three it different congress' committees continuing their probe in russia's role in the 2016 election. >> we'll continue to follow all of the investigation. we are far from done talking about russia. thank you. bring back cnn presidential historian, and analyst patrick
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healy and retired supervisory special agent at the fbi steve moore with us. tim, you've studied a lot of administrations. what does donald trump gain with these attacks on a former president? >> oh, it's -- well, it's deflection. by the way, boris, this is so different. i mean, so unprecedented. >> right. >> but he is just deflecting the issue. remarkable. in a series of tweets denies russia was involved, saying it's fake news, now russia is involved, but the president should have gotten involved. useful for people to keep in mind what the obama administration was expecting in the fall of 2016. the obama administration was assuming that hillary clinton would win. >> yes. >> and they had been through the benghazi hearings, where the house had taken a microscope to
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every statement that the obama team had made in the run-up to the 2012 election. they were, i'm sure, afraid that should hillary win, the house appropriations committee would -- congressman chaffetz, would do the same thing to delegitimize hillary clinton's victory by looking at statements that the president, former president, had made about russia. and so they backed off. i suspect that's part of the story here. that they were concerned about putting -- about somehow robbing a clinton victory of its legitimacy. now, looking -- now knowing what we know, and if they knew then what we know now they might have acted differently. the feeling i'm sure democrats have is, my god. you should have said something, because the russians were making a difference. but, again, i don't think people knew then what we know now. >> yeah. that "washington post" report specifically indicates there was a lack of urgency, in part
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because obama administration officials thought that hillary was going to win. aside from that, this russian meddles still going on, is this the best strategy for president trump to take, to be in campaign mode seemingly still attacking president obama and hillary clinton? >> it's a very understandable strategy, boris, because his whole kind of m.o. right now, president trump's m.o. is to rally his base. cement his base. keep them on his side and he uses twitter for two reasons. one for kind of a direct shot into the blood stream to his base, and the second is to basically have the news media chase every tweet that he writes to kind of oftentimes sort of deflect what else might be in the news of the day. this is how he operates. so it makes sense as sort of a strategy, but it's really important to keep in mind, boris, that the politics of him tweeting about hillary and bernie and what did president obama do or not do last year,
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that's politics. it doesn't really have anything to do with what special counsel robert mueller and the different congressional committees are actually looking at in terms of collusion between the trump campaign and russia, michael flynn and what he knew and when and what he was telling people, and, you know, certainly everything from sort of jared kushner and other angles of this. so, you know, these sort of tweets and talking about president obama is politics, and the special counsel investigation, you can believe, is going straight on ahead. one last thing. i covered the 2016 presidential campaign in-depth. president obama, we have to remember, was someone who basically very much wanted to keep himself not being seen as favoring one candidate over another. he, denis mcdonough, others, were extremely cautious in this regard. president obama didn't want to
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endorse hillary clinton during the primary over bernie sanders. still, he wanted to stand back. you can certainly criticize him, you know, for not raising a red flag during the fall on this, but i'm talking about his mind-set throughout was very much not to be seen as putting a thumb on the scale and i think it is true. they really thought hillary was going to win. >> one of the things, steve, that keeps getting lost in this conversation is the fact that russia meddled in this election and there was no real strong retribution for what they did. in that "washington post" reporting, something that stands out to me i wanted to ask you about was this program that the obama administration implemented that would create implants inside russia's infrastructure and if russia tried to do something again, those would be set off it would cause havoc in russia and that might deter them from doing it again. would that be enough to keep them from interfering in our democratic process, steve?
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>> that kind of reminds me of the, doctor strangelove thing with the doomsday device and he didn't tell anybody about it. what you've got to do make a public statement. you can't just say, by the way, all of this bd stuff happening -- no. it's us doing it in retaliation. what we've got here are too many referees looking at the scoreboard. you know. what are people going to think if i do this? what are they going to think, that i'm on this team's side? we got to stop that. too many people got involved this time. worried about how it was going to affect the game. and when you have russia interfering with an election, a full two months, maybe two and a that is a time to say, no. that is the time to hit them with sanctions of some time or another. he didn't have to come out and say, by the way, they're favoring hillary. he needed to come out and just say, we have heard that -- we
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have evidence that they are interfering with our election, x and we are taking these steps and they have to be strong steps, the problem, whether previous or another administration, everybody is looking at the scoreboard before they throw a flag. >> and admitting in the "washington post," the steps taken were largely symbolic. we have to leave it there. thank you all for joining us. thanks again. >> thanks. up next, ohio governor john kasich's website hacked apparently by isis supporters. what's behind it, and what are the expanded risks? we'll get answers next. [ indist] [ intense music playing ] it's here, but it's going by fast. the opportunity of the year is back:
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today ohio governor john kasich fell victim to hackers. for a short time this afternoon, this was his web page. a black screen with what appeared to be pro-isis propaganda including a message that said, "you will be accountable, trump, you and all your people for every drop of blood flowing in muslim countries" another message read, "i love islamic state." the pages of the first lady and ohio department of corrections also hacked with this same message. we should tell you that the message has been since taken off, though their websites, as far as we know right now, are not working. a grew calling itself team system dz is claiming responsibility for the attacks. a cyber security consultant and former hacker with the nsa, david what do you know about this group and its agenda? >> team sdystem dz, their
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purpose, defacing websites for propaganda for certain groups they're pro for. this one is specifically pro-isis. that's what they've done. hacked over 8000 websites webs past. their pro-isis. pro-islamic states, and what they primarily hack for. trying to spread media around that and show signs of support and hack into government entities. they've broken into a number of different u.s.-specific states as wealth as federal government websites as well. >> with all respect to the governor, why john kasich? seems like there are a lot of other targets that are preferably closer to donald trump who seems they were trying to get a message across to? >> i don't think governor kasich and donald trump are best buds at this point. when it comes to what they're trying to do, any site that has security vulnerabilities, usually rudimentary hacks in nature. they go after whatever they
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possibly can to get their message. there's a long lineage of these hackers, too. an individual named jinaid hussein, hacked tony blair and sarah palin's account from prison a number of years ago and led hacking campaigns for isis for a number of years until he slipped up and the u.s. was able to track him and blew him up via a drone. he's no longer with us. there's a lot of them out there trying to use propaganda to create buzz, be able to promote isis and this is one of those as well. >> we've talked a lot about cyber security lately. specifically from state actors like russia, but what kind of capability capacity does a group like this have. >> these groups are mostly around basic type of hacking. but we definitely see terrorism, al qaeda isis, a number of other isis organizations building these up not just to promote agendas. recruiting is huge for isis,
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recruit and reach people in different countries. these types of groups help recruitment across the worlds. it is damaging. sophistication levels of nowhere like the russian or united states capabilities. you'll see as the years plog we' -- progress you'll see them getting better and it's a scary situation seeing they can inflict now with having basic levels of hacking. definitely is becoming more and more of a trend of terrorists having these capabilities in the future. >> appears to be the new field of warfare is online. thank you for joining us. >> thanks, boris. appreciate it. coming up -- donald trump always said mexico would pay for the wall, but the president is now saying solar panels will pay for it. we'll explain how, next. first, cnn "money" takes you away to portland, oregon.
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gay pride celebrations in full swing across the country. one of the largest under way in new york city now as we take a live look. a live report from there within the next hour. the one on your left is
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happening in san francisco right now. one of his biggest campaign promises, the president assured us that mexico would pay for the border wall, but mexican leaders insist that is not going to happen. now the president is offering a new plan involving solar panels. sara sidner talks with the bittman who pitched the idea a few months ago. >> reporter: when president trump said this. >> we're thinking about building the wall as a solar wall. >> reporter: thomas thought, mission accomplished. >> happy. done what we wanted to do pretty good imagination, right? >>. my idea. >> reporter: as for the idea, at least two companies actually proposed it months ago, when the trump administration made an all-call for companies to send in their border wall designs. thomas gleason, a vietnam veteran and small business owner bid in april sending photos and details of exactly how his solar wall would work. what's the selling point? >> he gets to build the wall because it pays for itself. >> reporter: sound familiar? >> so it creates energy.
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and pays for itself. >> reporter: how? >> the benefit is, is there's going to be a demand for the electricity, even if there isn't a city within 50 miles. >> reporter: gleason says it would take about 20 years of power producing for the wall to pay for several and showed a partial circumstances and what it could look like. how would you describe what it would take to get through? is it possible? virtually impossible? >> it's going to take an 18, you know, kind of crew. have to be talented. >> reporter: he says that's because this is just one layer of the wall. the base would be six feet of concrete, filled with rocks and sand. then steel wire mesh. then the solar panels, followed by more steel wire mesh, and at the top, a pivotal ceiling of more solar panels. could someone scale this? >> well, go ahead. stick your fingers in that. >> reporter: i can't. there's no shortage of sun along
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the u.s./mexico border. gleason says each mile of the solar wall could power up to 400 homes. the government has yet to pick its top proposals and so far congress hasn't allotted money for the wall. president trump's wall idea has garnered controversy and gleason gotten his share from making a bid. lost a client and a close friend who was mexican-american saying he'd be helping to divide families? >> reporter: lost business and a good friend? >> i'll get it back. as long as we don't get the wall. >> reporter: if he gets the bid he estimates his solar wall would cost about $7.5 million per mile. spread that out across the entire u.s./mexico border, we're talking a $15 billion price tag. sara sidner, cnn, vegas. >> thank you noor. for that. and shaking like a washing
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let's discuss this further with cnn transportation analyst mayor schiavo, a former inspector general for the u.s. department of transportation. mary, so far the airline said it was a technical issue, and an airport spokesman said related to the engine. based on this video you're seeing it does seem like this was more than turbulence. >> it was. based on the video, you can find similar videos like this on engine manufactures websites. ge engines has bun, for example, they've done testing. it looks like a turban blade or fan blade failure called and uncontained engine failure. it's not rare. probably happens on commercial airlines maybe once a month. and the engine manufacturers test for it so that the engine will stay on the plane when this happens, and the washing machine analogy is a very good one. it very much looks like it. you get a fan blade out or a failure where some of the blades
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come out, it's an imbalance situation. that's why it sounds like a washing machine. >> one passenger actually said that just before the shaking started they heard a loud bang. does that corroborate kind of the idea that it's an engine issue? >> right. the loud bang would signify and uncontained engine failure. an engine lost or fan blade, turban blade thrown out and passengers also smell add strong engine smell. maybe some of the fluids from the engine, which would have been freed from that event. and those two things together do make me think that that's what it is. >> now, i mean, you have to imagine how passengers felt. sitting on a plane that's shaking and then the crew asks them to pray. is that weird? >> well, it's weird and it's not -- well, we don't know all the facts but aircraft manuals, engine manuals and most airline operation manualing say if you have an event, lost an engine, lost power in the engine, your
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instructions are to put that plane down, to land at the nearest suitable airport. now, i've looked at the maps of the area, and it looked like they did pass up an airport that looks like it could have been suitable. now i don't know, but about ten minutes after this happened instead they limpeds plane on for an hour and a half back to perth, and most airlines, most aircraft manufacturers don't do that. put that down immediately. better to be on the ground wishing you were up in the air than up in the air praying you can make it back to the ground. that's what they resorted to. >> heard from australian officials saying at one point marine emergency services were put on standby to prepare for ap possible water landing. what does that tell you about what the pilots were thinking they believe might have happened to the plane? >> a very serious event. this has happened before. there was an alaska airlines flight with a problem. wasn't an uncontained engine failure but they passed up
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several suitable airports trying to limp the plane back to san francisco. one of their maintenance bases. what happened there, they ended up turning out over the pacific ocean where the plane was lost. that one crashed. so if you have a problem and can't get it back to the airport, many pilots will take it out over the water, obviously hoping to spare lives. >> all right. very fortunate that the plane did land safely and all of those passengers are okay. their prayers were answered. mayor mary, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> time for a quick break. stay with us.
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hey there. thanks for joining pups i'm boris shan chez in for fredricka whitfield and we start with the art of the health care deal. the president says he is confident that republican senators will get the votes they need to pass the bill -- eventually. we know at least five republican senators currently oppose it in its current form and others trying to tweet the bill to get support. some think proposed cuts to medicaid go too far. the president conceding how difficult it is to get everyone on the same page. >> i want to see a bill with heart. health scare a very complicated subject from the standpoint that you move it this way, and this group doesn't like it. you move it a little over here, you have a very narrow path. and honestly, nobody can be totally

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