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is on the table. but will it get the votes to pass? that's ahead in the "cnn newsroom." it is 4:00 p.m. on the east coast. i'm boris sanchez in for fredricka whitfield. a bill with heard, that's the request from president trump today today. although five you lamakers oppose the bill, the president is confident they'll get there. >> i want to see a bill with heart. health care is a very complicated subject from the standpoint you move it this way and this group doesn't like it. it's a very narrow path. and honestly, nobody can beat totally happy, even without the votes. forget about votes. this has to do with picking a plan.
a plan that everybody is going to like. i would like to say love. but like. we have a few people that are, i think you can say modestly, they're not standing on the roof tops and screaming. i think they'll get some points. and i don't think they're that far off. famous last words, right? but i think we're going to get there. >> let's go to cnn white house correspondent athena jones. athena, this bill proposes some major funding cuts to medicaid. on the campaign trail, he said he wouldn't cut that plan. is the white house commenting? >> reporter: according to the white house, these aren't cuts. they argue stopping expansion of the program, which was expanded under obamacare and putting on a cap on the amount of money states won't get doesn't amount to a cut.
but if you were the kind of person who would qualify for this coverage in the future and you don't ultimately get it, then you might see this a little differently. certainly one of the big concerns of states like ohio, the governor of ohio, john kasich, was on "state of the union" this morning talking about his concerns about the changes to the medicaid program. listen. >> but the total number of dollars that are going to be dedicated to medicaid are not enough. it's not enough resources there. and i've been very concerned here in my state about treating the mentally ill, the drug addicted, particularly under medicaid expansion. if you look at the medicaid pie, there is a huge challenge to it, because the resources are just not there. i think we'll find that over a ten-year period, medicaid funding will be significantly curtailed. >> reporter: so there you heard governor kasich worried about medicaid funding being
curtailed. the congressional budget office found that there were going to be more than $800 billion in cuts to medicaid, regardless of what the white house is arguing. now, we're waiting for new cbo score of the senate version, but it could be a large number that. is a concern to numbers like kasich and senators like rob portman of ohio, and also governors, republican governors like brian sandoval in nevada and senator dean heller who have expressed these issues. it isn't just moderate people on one side, you have conservatives who are worried this bill doesn't go far enough to repeal obamacare. so that is the gap they'll have to bridge. as you know, republicans can only afford to lose two senators and still get this bill through. so right now, they're heading in the wrong direction. boris? >> quite a bit of ground to cover, athena.
thank you. i want to bring in our panel now to discuss. tammy, let's start with you. as the bill stands right now, help us break it down. who stands to benefit and who stands to lose? >> well, there are a lot of people who are going to benefit, or some people who are going to benefit. it's going to be the younger folks, the healthier folks and the wealthier folks. so the younger and healthier will pay less premiums. kaiser foundation ransom numbers. it showed in south carolina, in a lot of maces places in south carolina, a 27-year-old making $40,000 might see a premium decrease of $1,500. so that's nice to pay less for a year. but on the flip side, you've got a lot of older folks and a lot of sicker folks who are going to pay a lot more. and also some middle class
strangely, because the house and the senate said they wanted to help more people, but they're lowering the threshold of who's going to be qualified for the subsidies. and alaska, in some places, if you're 60 and making $40,000 a year, you might pay $9,000 more a year in premiums. that's going to be a big hit. >> julian, rand paul is very open about the fact that he believes obamacare is fundamentally flawed beyond idealogical reasons. he thinks it's practically flawed because of the death spiral. regulations drive up the cost of insurance, meaning not enough young, healthy people buy it, making it more expensive for the folks who need it. he says this bill doesn't fix the death spiral, it just throws more federal money at it. he said he would support a partial repeal. how does mitch mcconnell bridge the gap with rand paul? >> right now it's unclear how he does it. rand paul, ted cruz, you have a number of conservative
republicans who are saying that this bill does not go far enough in dismantling the regulations that are in place, gives the states too much flexibility to maintain them. but then you have moderates like suzanne collins and you have governors like governor sandoval in nevada who has a lot of influence in the state, who are saying this goes too far, because it will cut medicaid. that will be the effect of this. so how does mcconnell do that? the pressure will be to move to the right. i think it's very hard for him to move to the moderates. not only does he have that problem in the senate, but if he sends a moderate bill to the house for conference committee, it won't work. i don't think anyone knows right now how you bring these two saisaid -- two sides together. >> tammy, there's an argument it's a cut, an argument that just limits'9". currently, medicaid covers about half of all births in this
country. two out of five children. if medicaid doesn't pay for these people, ultimately who does? >> all of us. that's really going to be the problem here. because medicaid pays for a lot of people. there are almost 1 in 5 americans covered by medicaid. you have more than 70 million people. now, many of those will remain on medicaid after this, but the states are going to make some really hard choices after this, because they're going to get a lot less federal support, so they're going to be in a tough bi bind. people still need health care, so if people are getting sick, trump said nobody was going to die in the streets, so the states are going to be left with a lot of sick people who need care. and they're going to still go to the hospital and go to the energy room, which is one of the most expensive places to get care, but it's going to be their only option, because they don't have health insurance.
and residents and taxpayers, through their county and real estate taxes, state taxes, are going to pay for it. and all of us are going to pay through it with our private health insurance, because hospitals still have to take care of these people, and who will get the bill? the people with health insurance that can afford to play. >> let's stalk abotalk about th democrats. the only thing they've done to prevent this bill is symbolic. is there anything that they can do at this point? >> they could. there's some talk about them proposing many, many amendments, when the vote actually starts, which is a way to filibuster this bill, even though they can't filibuster it, because the republicans are using what's called the reconciliation process. it's to keep proposing things to be added on. basically, talk as long as possible to delay this. but they don't really need to do
that. right now they can just sit and watch as the republicans have 52 votes. they have seven to nine senators in their own party who are expressing doubts, if not saying they won't vote for the bill. so the math is not in favor of the republicans. the last thing the democrats want to do is make this about the obstructionist democrats as opposed to the republicans who don't have a bill that's viable to get through the senate. and then the house and senate. >> tammy, one 06 the proposals in the house bill that helped that version pass was the ability for states to opt out of obamacare. if that does go through, how does this affect the whole system? >> it's going to be a big problem. the cbo, in the revision of their score, shows it could make markets very unstable in a lot of states. because once you start opting out, where we like to describe obamacare is a major jenga. once you pull pieces out, it
becomes unstable. so the healthy people are going to opt out, and the people who need the care are going to find them severals with a lot higher premium. the senate bill does not allow states to waive out of what's called community rating, allowing insurers to base premiums on your health. that was part of the preexisting protections that obamacare provided people, so states would not be allowed to do that, but they would be allowed to opt out of other obamacare regulations that do help those with preexisting conditions. something called the essential health benefits, which requires insurers to cover many different kinds of services and many treatments. so if the insurers don't have to cover that, people who are sick are not going to be able to get the drugs and treatment they need, and it's going to be a problem for them. >> julian, i apologize to my
producers, but i want to ask very quickly, i believe it was chuck schumer who said it was 50-50 whether this would pass. what percentage would you put it at? >> i think it's a 30% to 40% chance of this passing. i am not convinced that mcconnell really has the drive right now to get this through. there's part of him and the republicans who are willing to let this die. but i think you're at 30% to 40%. it is about votes and they don't have them right now. >> all right. thank you both so much. i apologize to my producer. coming up, did the obama administration drop the ball when it came to russia's election meddling. the criticism now coming from republicans and democrats, next. >> i think the obama administration should hve done a lot more when it became clear not only was russia intervening but being directed at the highest levels of the kremlin. from the day i arrived,
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president obama of "doing nothing about russian interference in the 2016 election." and now, it's not just republicans criticizing the former commander in chief. >> i think the obama administration should have done a lot more when it became clear that not only was russia intervening but being directed at the highest levels of the kremlin. we were trying to make that case to the administration when they didn't want to make attribution or talk about russia's role publicly. and later, after we issued our own statement and they did attribute the conduct to russia, i was urging that they begin then the process of sanctioning russia. the administration talking more forcefully about what the russians had done. i think that was a mistake. >> here to discuss, steve hall, the retired cia chief of russia operations. and cnn legal analyst michael
zelden. michael, this bantering back and forth seems to be escalating. so does president trump put himself in any legal risk, posting about this ongoing investigation? >> well, not directly, unless he says something that i can't foresee that would put him in legal jeopardy. but indirectly, i think what it hurts him is with the matter of his credibility. if he says one thing one day, another thing another day, there were tapes, there were no tapes, this is a democratic hoax, this is not a democratic hoax, then he becomes an unbelievable witness and he may have to become a credible witness as the case with obstruction or other aspects go forward. so the more he undermines his own credibility with these random tweets that seem to have some sort of schizophrenia underlying them, i just mean that in different points of view, i don't think it's helpful to him.
>> steve, one of the most interesting aspects of "the washington post" reporting is this program obama put in place to serve as a deterrent on r russia, these implants that could be activated if there is more meddling with russia. would that keep them from interfering moving forward? >> probably not. one of the problems is, it's a very slippery slope. you have to be careful when you're talking about engaging in cyber warfare. it's very similar to essentially nuclear warfare when you start something like that. you have to be very concerned. there is a little bit of good news i think in this issue with regard to how much the obama administration did or didn't do. because what you have now is the current administration, you know, admitting, acknowledging it's not a hoax, like they said it was earlier. remember, the platform that
donald trump ran on was making america great again and making america respected. the one things russia respects is power. so i would expect to see a strong russian policy out of the trump administration, thousand that they have acknowledged that yes, this was a direct attack. there's got to be some strong stuff out of the trump administration to go back against that. >> trump is set to meet with vladamir putin or be part of talks at the g20 meeting. is this something they chat about? >> i would hope so. donald trump has said he's going to put america first and make america respected, as he claims it was not during the previous administration. as a start, a good push against putin about this and a lot of other things to include ukraine, crimea, where russia has acted inappropriately. it's time that the trump
administration come up with a strong policy that will push back hard. next week's meeting will be an opportunity to start that process. >> i want you to listen to senator joe mansion earlier this morning. >> russia is not our ally or friend. to treat putin as an ally or friend is wrong. i don't look at him as a friend, and i'm very skeptical. >> now, russia is not our friend. but president trump is set to meet with vladamir putin next month at the g20 summit. is that a legal risk, the fact that it's possible that someone in the administration may have colluded with russia? >> i don't think. in the sense that the oval office meeting he had with the russian diplomat was not a legally jeopardizing event when he said that he ended the collusion investigation because of comey's pressure.
i don't think it's a direct impact. but again, you don't know what he's going to say. so what he says can be jeopardizing. you can spin out hypotheticals where that is the case. it seems to me that if it is viewed that russia is an adversary and viewed that something needs to be done, from a legal stand point there is a mechani mechanism, which is economic sanctions. that's a possibility if it gets played out. >> now, steve, you made the case that russia is still an inherent risk. is it possible to push them out of our democratic process from your perspective? >> that's the question many administrations, certainly the ones i worked with, struggled with, including the obama administration. i remember watching policy being -- trying to be formulated when president obama was there.
and it's tricky to figure out a way to push back hard against vladamir putin because of the involvement in our elections, any of the other activities s or russia is engaged in worldorldw. it's difficult to find a good line of policy that doesn't have a lot of unintended consequences. so it goes from the range of a very strong cyber approach, are there signer vulnerabilities that the united states can launch attacks, all the way back to the somewhat emotionally less satisfying and less effective sanctions, and there are wide varieties of opportunities in between. it's easy to say they ought to do this, that, or the other. but when you say okay, what are going to be the ramifications if we do x, y, or z. it becomes quite a bit more tricky. >> steve, michael, thank you so much. secretary of state rex tillerson is encouraging
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repeal obamacare and by doing so, he made a pretty big promise. >> the plan that we have would not allow individuals to fall through the cracks. we would not pull the rug out from anybody. we would not have individuals lose coverage that they want for themselves and for their family. we want to make certain that health care is available to all americans. right now, we've got 28 million americans who are uninsured. is that a plan that works for patients? >> absolutely not. >> i want to look at a different plan, and that it would slash taxes on the wealthiest of americans. warren buffett said your plan would reduce his tax plan by $680,000. and he has a question for public
officials that i wanted to pose to you. the hou >> every congressman that voted for ha bill, ask one question, are you above 250 on your adjusted gross income and if you were, how much would you save from what you paid last year? >> so what's the answer? how much would you save under the house and senate bills? >> remember, that obamacare taxes were put in place to build government-run health care. when you make it so you have a patient centered system, that allows you to do so with not as much money. so we believe it's vital that we decrease taxes for the american people, allow them to keep their hard-earned money. did you appreciate -- there are 6.5 million americans right now paying $3 billion in penalties,
in taxes, just for the privilege of not purchasing health coverage. that's a system that's not working for those 6.5 million. how about lowering the taxes for them. >> and i understand that. but the question now is, when it comes to the bill that is before the united states senate. the fact of the matter is, people like you are going to get a tax cut. >> well, the fact of the matter is, those 6.5 million will no longer have to pay $3 billion in a penalty or a tax to the federal government because they're not interested in purchasing what the government wants to tors thforce them to b. this system is not responding to patient needs and that's what we want to get to. >> i want to bring in our panel to discuss. art, let's start with you. in your opinion, what does this bill do to the american economy? >> i think it would be very good
for the economy. when you have a limited supply of something like health care, whenever you put in subsidies, it raises prices. you can't get more with the health care. it does change the distribution away from those who have it now and to those who didn't have it will get more of it. the one thing that bothered me, and i do like in this bill, is insurance is not health care. and when you require the medical community to fill in forms and do all sorts of other bureaucratic things, that does reduce the availability of resources to actually serving patients in the totality of the economy. those are the issues we have to face. >> health care is responsibility for millions of jons. so are fewer federal dollars going to cost jobs? >> no question about it. for 25 years, in times and bad,
republicans and democrats in office, the health care industry has grown jobs consistently. but what this house bill and senate bill would do is pull hundreds of billions in financing out of the health care industry. a lot of people who need care won't be able to afford care. a lot of people who need insurance can't get it. so it's possible that some portion of that money will be made up by states or by working families, borrowing against their houses or running up their credit card debt. but we're going to lose hundreds of billions in investment and health care. that means one of the most reliable job engines in our economy is going to be stumbling. >> back to you, art. republicans are seemingly disagreeing about whether or not this thing is going to bring down premiums. you heard what tom price had to say. listen to what rand paul said earlier today on abc. >> the plan in its entirely will
bring premiums down, because you increase competition and choices for individuals, you allow folks to purchase the coverage they want, not that the government forces them to buy. those are all the secret keys to a market that works for health care, and it works for patients. that's the key. >> they promise too much. they say they're going to fix health care and premiums will go down. there's no way this brings down premium. i've been in medicine 20 years. premiums have never gone down. it's a false start of overpromising to say oh, yeah, insurance premium also go down, but we're keeping 10 of 12 of the mandates that cause the prices to go up? it's a foolish notion to promise something you can't provide. >> art, is tom price promising something he can't provide? >> i don't think so. i think rand paul is correct about the history of premiums going up, but getting rid of just two of those things that have caused premiums to rise will be better than not getting
rid of any. health care insurance and hospitals have done very well in the last few years. i was chairman of a hospital near in nashville, the flagship for hda. i can tell you, there are lots of ways of bringing competition back in. just transparency, knowing what you're paying for the medical services you're going to get. no one knows that and the quality of the medical services. those would be really easy to make the markets far more competitive and respond to consumers. doctors don't even know what the cost of some of these procedures are. they just tell you to get them and that's it. that's not a good system. and it doesn't lead to control of costs. that's for sure. >> democrats haven't been shy to express their feelings over this proposed bill. i want you to listen to senator chuck schumer. >> the president said the senate bill needed heart.
the way this bill cuts health care is heartless. the president said the house bill was mean. the senate bill may be meaner. the senate republican health care bill is a wolf in sheep's clothing. only this wolf has even sharper teeth than the house bill. >> hillary clinton also tweeted out when the bill came out saying that if this passes, it makes the republican party a death party. is all the democrats can do at this point rhetorical? in other words, is there any strategy to shoot this thing down other than just talking about it? >> well, i think what they have to do is point out that this is not really a health care bill. let me say, i'm so delighted that professor laffer is in this discussion. he's the god father of supply side economics in america. that's a philosophy that says cut taxes for wealthy and you'll help anybody. it hasn't worked.
that's precisely what this bill does. it gives billions and billions of dollars in tax cuts t the wealthiest people in our society. and cuts that money out of health insurance and health care for poor people, working class people and middle class people. in the process, it will devastate industries like rural hospitals that will get slammed by this bill. many will have to close. as democrats fight this bill, they need to point out this is a tax cut bill for the wealthy that is going to do devastating damage to middle chas commulass communities around the country. >> i think he's wrong. i think we did well with reagan. i think bill clinton did well. those were all supply side administrations. what is really important here is there are fixed amount of
medical resources. if you give one group medical resources, and i don't disagree with that. just remember you're taking them away from someone else, as well. and you're going to push prices up. that's just simple economics. as larry gatlin says, it ain't rocket surgery. >> we'll have to leave it at that. thank you for that. appreciate your time. coming up, a crucial test for president trump's travel ban as the supreme court is set to rule this week whether it should be allowed to take effect. all of this over a question whether or not one justice will soon step down. but first, this week's cnn hero decided to help adults with developmental disabilities find work. nearly 70% do not have jobs. so amy wright set out to change that. >> the largest minority in the
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washington. before we get into the final opinions, there have been several discussions about possible retirement on the court. what's the possibility just about kennedy might hang up his robes? >> reporter: all eyes are on justice kennedy. sources say he's serious hi considering retirement, but no one know it is it would come this term. of course, it would be a big change not only for the court but the country. he's that critical swing vote. he is -- he votes with the liberals on issues such as affirmative action, abortion access, same-sex marriage, and votes with conservatives on gun rights, campaign finance. if president trump were able to get this second vacancy, it would be a real opportunity to replace a centrist on the court with a conservative. that would solidify the conservative base for decades to come. this morning, white house counselor kellyanne conway was asked if kennedy had said
anything about his plans. listen to what she said. >> final question, last day of the supreme court tomorrow. a lot of speculation about justice kennedy. has he said anything to the white house about his retirement plans? >> i will they have reveal a conversation between a sitting justice and the white house. but we're paying close attention, and i can tell you one thing, just as the president did with justice neil gorsuch, when there are vacancies, he will look at someone who has fedelity to the constitution. we just hope we can get more than a handful of democratic senators to vote for our nominees to the supreme court. we like a lot more cooperation from our democratic friends. we know obstruction is their motto. >> reporter: the liberals are really nervous. they really want kennedy to stay on, boris. >> we know that there are some
final opinions coming, but any indication whether or not the court is going to intervene in the debate over the travel ban? >> reporter: that's what we're waiting for the travel ban. we expect happen order that could come as early as tomorrow. we're not quite sure on the timing there. and of course, we're waiting to see what the court will do there. that's the provision of the executive order that stops travel for people from muslim majority countries, six of them. the lower court has said -- one court said it's unconstitutional likely. another says that it probably violates the law. so the administration is coming to the supreme court and said look, let it go into effect now, and hear arguments next fall. and the court is expected to act on that and it could accused as early as tomorrow. >> all right. thank you for that. >> thank you. coming up, as the rift deepens with senate republicans with the gop health bill, mayors
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some mayors across the country are frustrated with the russia cloud hanging over the white house. they say the attention needs to be focused on health care, climate change, immigration, and a host of other issues. those mayors have a message for president trump. rosa flores explains. >> i met with the mayors every single year i was president. and i always looked forward to it. >> reporter: while the 42nd president spoke to more than 250 mayors at the u.s. mayor's conference in miami beach, it was the 45th president who was on some of the mayor's minds, especially on issues such as climate change, immigration, and health care. >> what the promise was more and better health care, lower cost. so that's really what america is
looking for right now. when you take a city like louisville, 100,000 people could lose health care. >> i think it's going to affect 300,000 massachusetts folks. >> this is unfortunately a political solution, they're looking for a political win. >> reporter: and it wasn't just democrats. here's the republican mayor of mesa, arizona, john giles. >> if we fumble this, it could be the end of the republican party, if people see us take something flawed like obamacare and think the way to fix that is to make it worse, i'm not sure what we have to offer as a party. so this is going to be a defining moment for the republican party. >> reporter: but on sanctuary cities, a different story. >> we cooperate i.c.e. >> reporter: mayor marty walsh says that trump's executive orders on the matter have only created fear and mistrust. >> in boston, what we try to do is try to continue to build that
trust with undocumented people in our city. >> reporter: on climate change, more than 300 mayors pledged to honor the commitments of the agreement of the paris climate accord. >> we're moving full speed ahead with all of our environmental programs in louisville. >> reporter: knowing that the president often turns to twitter, we asked these mayors what their message to president trump would be in 140 characters or less. >> will careful what you say, it may come back to bite you. once it's out there, you can't take it back. >> act responsible. you're the president of the united states of america. people are watching you. >> rosa, thank you. coming up, president trump, he is the president, a real estate mogul and a wetting crasher? the nuptials he was invited to this weekend, next. [ sighs ] hey, i was using that. what, you think we own stock in the electric company?
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we have some terrifying moments to show you from a new york amusement park. watch this video, a teenage girl falls from a ride. a crowd is gathered below. they saw the girl dangling from the ride at six flags. she fell about 25 feet and hit a tree on her way down. you see it there. fortunately the crowd was able to catch her and the girl was taken to the hospital with only minor injuries. president trump stayed in washington this weekend to celebrate treasury secretary steve ma mnuchin's wedding. here's cnn's dana bash. ♪ roich if there's one thing we know about president trump, it's that he loves a wedding. >> you are a beautiful couple. >> reporter: he's the chief wedding crasher at his
properties. a perk that was once advertised in a trump brochure. this time he's an invited guest at the wedding of steve mnuchin, who is a former hollywood movie producer who invested in hits like "avatar" and "how to be single." his bride, louise linton, is an actress. she also briefly took over as ceo of mnuchin's film financing company until democrats raised objections. the president will surely approve of the bridal bling, which he modeled for town and country magazine. but none of it is likely to trump melania's giant engagement ring, all 15 carats. >> did you pick it? >> he picked it. >> reporter: the trumps splashed out every aspect of their
wedding. memphis pos melania posed in her gown. but when it comes to making a marriage last, president trump says it's less glitz and more grit. >> what melania is so good at it, we have this natural relationship. my mother and father were married 63 years. you have to work at a good relationship. but my father didn't. he worked, went home, ate dinner, watched television. >> reporter: this week it was about the mnuchins and the presidential gifts, who loves his weddings like his walls, big and beautiful. >> thank you for that reporting. and thank you for joining me this afternoon. the next hour of "newsroom" starts right now. thank you, boris. you're live in the cnn newsroom.
great to have you with me. at first, full court press. the president and his supporters in fierce fighting mode, unleashing a series of attacks on tv and on twitter, aimed at discrediti ining the russia investigation. >> fbi director comey leaked information to the press, hoping to start an investigation. then an independent investigation, four top lawyers, all major donors to barack obama, hillary clinton, and the democratic national party. only in washington could a rigged game like this be called independent. >> i want to point out robert muler is a registered republican. the president is firing