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about fighting isis, and does trump believe the intel conclusion that -- the answer was, i've never asked him that specific question. we can talk about whether the briefings are on life, on tape or accessible. more importantly spicer doesn't have answer to the questions the journalists are trying to get answers to. >> abby phillips is or cnn analyst, also a reporter -- a white house reporter with "the washington post." abby, when you hear they don't want to have this on camera briefings, because they want to talk about more substantive issues and they think people are trying to ask gotcha questions to have a good video clip later, that's been some of the explanation, and we've heard from the press team. it seems like today would be a perfect day toe do an on-camera briefings, because they have something so great like the travel ban to talk about in which the president said this was a major visibility torrie for his team. >> yeah, i think that's the down
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side when they decide pretty much arbitrarily, they miss out on opportunities to push their own message, but i think one automobile thing is apparent. the answers to questions are not getting more substantive. we still don't know whether or not the president believes that russia and that vladimir putin directed the hacking into the 2016 election. and according to sean spicer, he still hasn't asked the president about it, we're getting the statement evasiveness and lack of answers on fairly simple and straightforward questions, but with even less transparency. i don't think they're -- their argument that perhaps the brief also are becoming more substantive is really borne out by the facts here. >> let's talk about this travel bad rouge.
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jeffrey toobin,th to get your reaction from the supreme court decision here, to say part of that travel ban may be implemented, but the rest of it we'll take up in october? >> every lower court that has considered this, or just about every court, has said it violated the constitution in one way or another. the supreme court did not say that. the supreme court unanimously let part of it go into effect. that is certainly a win for the trump administration. they -- they did not let the whole thing go into effect. people who have specific ties to the united states, whether they are students admitted or close relatives or they have job offers in hand, will you allowed to come from those six companies so, in that are the the ban will not go into effect, but by and later this is better news from the trump administration that is
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it's had from the courts from day one, and that's something you would think they would want to take about. >> mark preston, politically speaking, we know the full ban is not in effect. we won't know the fate of that until october, but will the president take a victory lap? >> in some ways, he'sen beaten up. they've got to be careful, and i think so far he's been caringful, but the day is early, he hasn't gone on a tear on twitter. you know, they had a pretty measured statement that they put out, and you have to wonder, will he continue to willen to his lawyer in the upcoming months before the supreme court actually hears this case, but it is a victory for the trump administration in many ways, and the fact is people are not going
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to be allowed to come in during this period. that's what hi want. so for him for now it's a victory, but he has to be careful how he plays it. is it clear to you what that means? >> well, i think one of the main -- the basis for a lot of the challenges have been people who do have those ties, people who had ties to universities, family members so i think it doesn't change a whole lot for some. i think the trump administration is notably wanting to take time to figure ute what this means for them.
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i think they recognize the way in which they move on this is going to be very important for their subsequent legal chances in the courts. i think for the vast majority of people this will try to -- coming into the united states as tourists, for other than who want to come and visit, it remains to be seen what the ruling will mean for them and exactly where that line will be drawn for those individuals. something to keep in mind. the travel ban was styled as a temporary measure, 90 days, 120 days.
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it's possible to -- and let the administration file a new order that is perhaps permanent, but there is a possibility that especially the way you read the orders today that suggests that the court is saying, you know what? we don't want to deal with this if it's a temporary order. you file and final order and we'll allow litigation over that. there would be some litigation over who is covering and who is not, but i mean in the broader sentence that this whole case may be mighted out and the trump
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administration may represent a new round of challenges, but there avoid a tough decision. >> mark preston, the other big win is his supreme court justice that he picked at least. he ruled in the president's favor. in fact he said he would have liked to see the court go even further. there was a bit of concern whether gorsuch would align himself with the hard-line conservatives. he hasn't so far. maybe we'll see him moderate views, but the president picked somebody that sided with him, which is extremitily important, and quite frankly going forward, if we are to have another vacancy.
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president trump could cement his legacy through the supreme court. there's a lot he will have on his plate. >> and timing is everything, what do you make of they rumors that he might retire? >> he is about to turn 81. most 81-year-olds do not work full-time jobs, so i'm not surprised he is going to stay for another year. there's no rule that says -- as supreme court justice has to announce a retirement on the last day of the term. justice o'connor announced her retirement two days after the last day of the term. justice kennedy is a great believer of the courts and -- bringing in a new justice in a
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tumultuous period creates a certain amount of discomfort, and i think he probably feels i'll give gore suv a year to get settled. he also likes being the most important judge in the country, and why not? >> i can only imagine he's got to be passionate about his job. thank you all. still ahead here in the newsroom, senator rand paul will join us, one of the five senators currently opposed to the bill. what will it take to win his vote? great sleep
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anytime the cbo will come out with its score. they'll an some key questioning
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like how many people will be covered. it comes as senate majority leader mcconnell begins his final week to get the 50 votes he needs to pass it. right know we node of at least five senators say they're against it. depiatt phil, the natural released the revised version. >> this is more about markets than members, if you will. trying to get them back in line. you would be held out of the ability to buy couldn't.
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the rationale is trying to bolster the marketplace in general. this is an incentive for people to not go without coverage, essentially. trying to invent vise people to expand the risk pool, trying to dysincentivize those who might be less healthy. this is something they're done. the cbo score should help reps. it would be excluded, and if you think about the house bill 23 million fewer week -- the hopes is by having this almost on the th
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this. what are these going to do to bring more on board? they want the free market, in their words, to praise more effectively, and then more moderate senators. but also changes to the growth rate of med indicate. so there's a lot of really important policy implications, a lot of really important policy questions that we still don't have answers to. and a layman like me is like, how does that happen? do you think this vote will happen before july 4th? >> that's the goal. it's not the finalized plan yet. all you need to do is pay attention to senator john cornyn's twitter.
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he said the goal was to have it done by the end of this week, but august 1st is the drop-dead date. maybe this goes beyond this week. the senator says i am now closes that door in a tweet saying we need to do it senate leaders want to get this done. they recognize this isn't going to get any easier over time. the conservatives, they know where their positions are. trying to thread this needle isn't something that's going to get easier for republican leadership over time. they want to try to get this done as quickly as possible. the drawback of that, and this is a real drawback is these policies are extraordinarily important. they hit millions of people. what they're doing on medicaid is this revolutionary reform. the inable to people outside these chambers to grasp that, understand that, get their heads around that is a drawback, but their goal is to get to 50 votes. if they can do that by the end
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of this week, they absolutely will, according to everybody i talked to up here. >> when he matter from sean spicer, he wasn't given a firm deadline this week. phil mattingly, thanks for the update. so let's drill down on what this bill means for the average person. joining us. cnn money's senior writer tammy luby. this is obviously complicated. who loses, who may end up in a worse situation than currently? >> the people who will be hurt are many of the people helped by obamacare. the individual market was a tough market, so you're going to have lower income rulings, a lot of changes to medicate, and they're going to lose a lot of the subsidies they got. these other subsidies they got to help them lower deductible, help them art to go to the
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doctor and get care. you also have older enrollees, the senate plan and house plan would allow insurers to charge in their 50s and 60s. we're talking people in their 50s and 60s those folks will have to pay more for their coverage. in fact kaiser family foundation, and a 60-year-old making about $40,000 a year will have to pay $9,000 more in coverage. >> $9,000 more? >> yes, that's 253% more. that's a pretty stunning noum better. >> and $40,000 that's about a quarter of what that person is making for the entire year. >> yes. that's pretty tough. the middle class interestingly, a lot of the criticism of the republican is obamacare doesn't help enough people there's a hard cutoff at 47,000 to get government help. the republicans will reduce that to about 42,000, so fewer people
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will be eligible for the subsidies for the care among the middle class, and we've been talking about people with preexisting conditions. the senate plan does not allow insurers to charge people base odd their health status, so that's good. however, it does allow states to potentially opt out of the this requirement, which means that insurers would not have to cover all of the treatments that people need who are sick. so you might not be able to get the chemotherapy. >> or have to pay out of pocket. >> exactly. if it's not covered, you'll have to pay out of pocket, so a lot of this is -- what the issue here is for some people the premiums may be lower up front, but for those people who need care, they're going to be paying a lot more out of pocket through deductib deductibles, through co-pays and possibly not as robust coverage. we know the goal is to lower costs. >> for premiums. >> is that going to happen for
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anybody? >> sure. one thing that obama care did is that it had younger enrollees subsidize -- the senate and house bills are rolling that back, so you have a 27-year-old in south carolina making $40,000 a year they're going to pay there $1500 or 38% less. that's a good benefit. you also have healthy people who don't want all of this coverage. they don't take prescription drugs, they don't need mental health care, for instance, maybe they don't want maternity, so they won't have to buy these robust plans that obamacare provided. the individual market before obamacare, there was a lot of concern that a lot of the policies, what we call catastrophic policies, if you goat hit by a car or got a terrible illness, you would get coverage. obamacare made them far more robust. people who are healthy, just
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want to pay for coverage on their owns if they need it, those people will be able to buy skimpier plans, and those plans will be cheaper. you also have the wealthy outside of this issue of coverage, obama care levies a lot of taxes in order to pay to for a lot of this coverage expansion. and of course insure serious are also going to benefit to some extent, because interestingly this senate bill will stabilize the obamacare markets for a few years before they eventually kill them, because these changes are going to take time to at a time effect, insurers are pulling out now, they're increasing deductibility now. senator cornyn said he wanted toss this done before they -- they already are issuing them. so somebody needs to be done quell quelly really very quickly.
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you were waiting for the cbo score as well. can you see any scenario that will help bring people on board, because it says it covers more people than expected? >> it's very hard to tell. the theory is that yes, there will be fewer people who are going to lose coverage under the senate plan, that's possible, but you're still talking about -- >> compared to the house plan. >> yes. under the senate plan there would be fewer people losing coverage than the house plan, but you're still talking about millions of people. one of the things under-appreciated about obamacare the share offen insured has fallen to record lows. we had almost 20 million more people gain coverage in years thanks to obamacare and thanks to the improving economy. a lot of those may be rolled back. >> all right. tammy, thank you. we'll talk more about this with-senator rand paul, who says he's voting no on the bill. that's coming up in a few minutes. meantime, up next president
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trump trying to turn the table on president obama, accusing him of collusion and obstruction, accusing president obama for that, for how his handled russian hacking. we'll have a guest join us to discuss this.
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don't let directv now limit your entertainment. xfinity gives you more to stream to more screens. white house press secretary sean spicer says the story on russian meddling proves the obama administration knew all along there was no collusion between trump and russia. the president slammed his predecessor in a new series of scathing tweets. the real story, he writing is that president obama did nothing after being informed in august about russian meddling with four months looking at russia under a magnifying glass. they have zero tapes. there is no collusion and no
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obstruction. i should be given apology. the president went even fur, and therefore, quote, did not want to rock the boat. he didn't choke or colluded or obstructed. pete hoekstra, former chairman of the and former u.n. and state department official, do you think this i want is owed an apology? >> well, i think let's look at the facts. we know that since the election, the obama administration and others have brutally gone after president trump and his campaign, accusing collusion. with "the washington post" story on friday showed that number one, the obama administration
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knew about potential russian involvement for more than a year before the election. they didn't act aggressively, because they didn't materially believe that the russians would affect the vote. there was no meltdown of the election process on election day, and despite this the obama focus in a bin laden type of environment, they found no collusion between the trump campaign and the russians. >> that wasn't part of "the washington post" story. that part, that is part of the investigation. again we don't know whether there was any collusion. >> but it's been reported that senator feinstein, senator warner, senator graham, dni director clapper have all stated that they have not seen any evidence of collusion, i've got to remember, the cia and our
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intelligence community were aware of this for a year, they were watching if for a year, if they didn't find it in real time, i think what the president is now pointing out, this is much more a story about what the obama administration did and did not do, and it also needs to get back to the focus of exactly what did the russians do? this story is no longer about the trump administration and the trump campaign. if people want to look at it, great, let's look at what the russians did and let's look at how obama did or did not respond to the russian actions. >> now, the response is completely from the ongoing investigation -- >> but there's no basis for the ongoing investigation if you look at the wos story. >> there have not been any conclusions drawn by the intelligence community regarding that specific issue. that's why there's an investigation with the special
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prosecutor. the other people you want i want to make sure we correct is the former president obama was aware of the russia meddling in the election in august prior to the election. but david, what do you make of the current president now accusing the former president of collusion? >> first of all congressman hoekstra got a number of things wrong about "the washington post" story. i would encourage all the readers to read the story. it's fascinating. what the story says is the obama administration knew about the interference by russia, and it was hotly debating what its response should be. it made the public aware that this had happened, too. at the time the obama administration was debating what do do, trump as a campaigning for president, denied that it even happened. he multiple times said it could have been a 400-pound person on his couch as much as it could have been russia. so he downplayed it. what obama ultimately did is put
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in place sanctions in december. they were not strong enough. that's also one of the points of "the washington post" article. in fact some of the obama's inner circle also believed the reaction should have been stronger. what's also ironic is as meager as those sanctions are, trump wants to roll those sanctioning back. he wants to do even less. so it's quite on the that he's not criticizing obama and claiming that he needs an apology. it's also very important to know that we have just started this special counsel investigation. we don't know what the either left, pete hoekstra doesn't know what the evidence will be. only the fbi knows some of the evidence, and they haven't even collected all of the evidence. so for trump to say there's no empty of collusion is incorrect. the fact is we don't know what the evidence is, and sean spicer also try to do make this logical leap today in his press conference saying because the obama administration knew about
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on interference. we have to way for the results of the if investigation. >> pete, do you want to respond? >> sure. what we do know is the intelligence community and law enforcement community was watching, because they need the threat was out there. they knew -- they didn't identify anything. he know if a congressman is targeted by the russians or is targeted to be turned or influenced, we as the intelligence committee were briefed, and we would make a decision as to whether that member should be briefed on the fact that the russians were targeting them or some other foreign power. the real question here is also, did the obama administration fully brief the trump and clinton campaigns, the other
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relevant political committees, so they would know they might be targeted by the russian, and secondly they could prepare the defenses and be on the lookout for special po activity. there's no evident that obama did anything to make the candidates, their campaigns or the political parties aware of the threat that was out there. >> he did go to congress, though. we have to leave it there. we have senator rand paul. i got to intervene. i'm sorry to interrupt. certainly we'll have you back. congressman hocks stray and david, thank you. rand paul says republicans are making promises can't keep. he's going to join us from capitol hill as we await the congressional budget office's score of the bill. any moment now. stay with us.
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i want to show you live pictures, as the president and the first lady are is are preparing to meet prime minister modi. we'll bring you the highlights as they conduct their business. in the meantime there's a standoff over health care, putting the republican bill in gyp regard, as of right now, republicans are very divided. not only do five senators oppose the senate's version of the bill. three more have expressed concerned. mitch mcconnell can only afford to lose two votes. this is not on their side. senator johns cornyn wants it
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done before the august 1st deadline tweeting -- we need to do it this week, and there we see the president shaking hands with the india prime minister. they plan to meet and will issue a joint statement following their meeting sometime later, we are also waiting this afternoon for the congressional budget office to issue a score of the senate version's health care bill, as the president talk foreign policy, we will be focusing on do metz ig policy. those two things happening simultaneously. one of the reps opposing the bill is joining us now. senator rand paul -- we'll keep an eye on what is happening with the india prime minister. of course, senator paul, you are a member on of commit year of health, education and pensions. you have been thinking a lot about this. what does this bill need for you to vote yes.
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>> the fundamental flaw of obamacare is you can buy insurance after you get sick, but it also tells healthy young people your insurance will cost more. when the mandate what insurance has to cover, you price out theual healthy people, and the only people left get sicker and sicker what they call adverse -- my problem with the senate bill is we don't fix that. we keep ten of 12 of the obamacare regulations, we still keep the idea you can buy it after you get sick, so i'm concerned the death spiral of obamacare may even get worse with the republican version. i'm also concerned that the republican version keeps most of the subsidies and creates a brand-new subsidy, called a stabilization fund. all of those things together make me very concerned we're not
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going to fix the problem here. >> so you see this as being too similar to obamacare, what you see are problems. let me show you the latest polling. right now 51% of those polled have a favorable view of obama care. that's the highest number that the kaiser family foundation has seen. meantime, you can see the gop health care plan is just 30%. obamacare is pop ought lars right now, senator. >> if you're a plummer or a pest control guy and you're trying to buy insurance, in 50% of the country there's only one insurer. we now have many counties where there's no insurers, so i think without question obamacare is a failure. it's getting worse. premiums have gone up 105% since we got obamacare. the insurance companies are
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pulling out, jacking up their premiums, so really the most important poll is, can you get insurance? for 50% they're stuck with a monopoly, and it's spreading to where, in many parts of the country there won't be many insurance options. obama care is failing in the visible market, but the best way to fix it is freedom. we should legalize inexpensive insurance. that means insurance without any rig laze, insurance that you can buy what you want at the price you want to pay. right now we have people with big heart who say it should cover everything, but they price poor people out of the marketplace. i know they're well intended. president obama wanted to help people, but he priced poor working-class people out of the marketplace. >> if you roll back some of those regulations, perhaps it does end up making health care coverage cheaper for people who
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are younger, healthier, but what happens to those people who have preexisting conditions, those people who are sixer, older, who may not be able to afford what insurance companies want to charge them? >> the best way to help people with preexisting conditions is to get them out of the individual market completely and let them get group insurance. i'll give you an example. if you worked for toyota, yew wife has multiple scholar rods, leukemia, breast cancers or vice versusa, the woman works and the husband has they terrible problems. group insurance covers all these things. the individual market is different. you they treat you in a pool by yourself, that's not fair. i'm saying let individual people join a group, join the chamber of commerce, aarp, farm bureau. let them buy group insurance across the lines, a big part of
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the co-op, not that the government creates, but we let the market create. if you have confidence in capitalism, virtually everyone would get coverage through a group plan. there will be a few people who fall through the cracks, and i think that's what medicaid is for. >> what would be the incentive for insurance companies to offer people with preexisting conditions or. >> it's market leverage. for example, general motors might have 200,000 workers, and they have some of them who are six or whose spouses are sick. they sell the insurance, because theft the 200,000 workers. what if they say tomorrow we're no longer buying individual policies, year going to an insurance company and see if we can get all of our business, but we want a group policy. i think they have the market leverage to do this. imagine aarp. they have 33 million people.
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if they chose for negotiate for health insurance, who wouldn't want their business? >> okay. >> insurance companies couldn't afford not to turn them down. >> i hear where you're going. so president trump gave you and a few others a phone call over the weekend. i'm curious, what did he ask you? and did you come to an agreement? >> we had an extensive discussions about all the ramifications, which way the leadership is taking it, which way the conservatives want to take it, the moderates. what i told him would get me on board, and i think we had a very frank discussion. if we narrowed the focus, let's say we are going to fix -- in fact i don't think everything is fixable. let's repeal as much as we can, and we'll work with the democrats over the next six months to fix any remaining problems. once it's no longer a debate about repeal, but it's a debate how to fix it, maybe there can be bipartisan coming together,
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but obamacare is in such terrible straits, we should try to repeal as much as we can and see if we can patch up medicate until we can get to a position where we can fix it. >> with all due respect, senator, you had seven years to come up with a plan. do you think there's a vote this week before i let you go? >> we still have disagreement. we have conservative members who still want to repeal it. that's what we're going to have to figure out in the next couple days. >> is it going to happen this week? >> we'll see. i think it's a lot to digest in one week, not only to read. bill. we don't even have the cbo score until this afternoon. i think it's ambitious to think you can get it done. i'm trying to negotiate with the president, but really the president is going to have to tell letter they'll have to negotiate with some of us. >> senator rand paul, we appreciate your time.
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thank you. >> thank you. up next, a father in california sues after he held a $20,000 funeral for his son, only to have his show up at his door alive a few weeks later. we'll explain how this terrible mix-up happened. whoooo. finding the best hotel price is now a safe bet. because tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites - so you save up to 30% on the hotel you want. lock it in. tripadvisor.
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. imagine this bizarre sn scenario. a loved one is declared dead, the family has a funeral only for the unthinkable to happen a few weeks later. he kaulcalls you, only to say h alive. the man on the left is homeless, mentally ill. he was mistakenly identified as another man dead. stephanie elam is here. stephanie, how did this happen? >> you can imagine frank kerrigan sr., 81 years old, burying his son, he believes, in the plot next to his wife who passed away almost a decade ago. thinking you're burying your son, he's homeless, you're
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worried about him. then two weeks later he shows up at one of the family friend's homes, one who was actually a pallbearer saying, hey, just checking in. this is what he tended to do, show up and check in with the family. then they called his dad and said, are you sitting down? frankie is still alive. listen to what dad said. it was like learning his son was still alive. >> i'm sorry, mr. kerrigan, to have to tell you this over the telephone. but your friend is deceased. and as soon as they said it was by his fingerprints, that was the dagger in my heart. they said, mr. k., your son is alive. i said, oh, my god. frank gets on the phone and says, hi, dad, how you doing? we're so happy for frank to be with us and we're joyous. at the same time we still feel the pain. >> of course, they feel the pain, as you might expect for this. the coroner's office is saying they i.d.ed him through
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fingerprin fingerprints. they had a driver's license about 11 years old. they looked at the fingerprints and that's how they determined he was the right person there. but obviously something went wrong because the fingerprints did not match up when they ran it again. the other issue here, too, is the family feels like less care was paid attention to frank heehere because he is homeless. his sister says this was just blatant disregard because he was homeless. the family is suing for $2 million including $20,000 they spent on his funeral and he is very much alive. ivanka trump says she tries to stay out of politics despite the fact she's an adviser to the president.
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biased, but ivanka trump just gave her dad an "a" grade for his performance as leader of the western world. the senior adviser of the president is also making headlines for what she told fox news when asked if she ever gives advice to her dad. >> i try to stay out of politics. you know, his political in stich instincts are phenomenal. he did something very few thought possible. i feel very blessed to be part of the ride from day one and before. he did something pretty remarkable but i don't profess to be a political savante. so i leave the politics to other people and really lean into the issues that i care deeply about. >> despite those comments about not being political, ivanka trump has been a leading voice in the administration on female
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entrepreneurship, paid parental leave and climate change. that's going to do it for me. thanks so much for joining us in the newsroom. jim sciutto and "the lead" starts right now. >> "the lead" starts now. they are taking the supreme court to task. health insurance could lose insurance under the senate health care bill. what does it mean for republicans trying to pass it this week? president trump using the finger to point at former president obama that colluded or obstructed on russia. so how is obama responding? good afternoon and welcome to "the lead." i'm jim