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health care hit. the senate could not get a plan passed before the fourth of july. >> if we don't get it done,ites just going to be something we're not going to like. >> so now the president's proposing repealing obamacare now and replacing it later. and he's working on a new strategy with one of his frequent critics. >> we need repeal. we need replace. trying to do them together hasn't seemed to work. >> centers ben sasse and bernie sanders will both be here live as health care ledge slaz hangs in the balance. and data denied.
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president trump's voter commission swings into action demanding personal voter information. but states are crying foul and refusing to comply. so the president asks what are they hiding. plus blood feud, president trump releasing a new twitter tirade against news. top republicans say it's a distraction. white house says the president has no regrets. >> he fights fire with fire. >> as his war against the media reaches a fever pitch, and the best political minds with insights on what happens next. hello, i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is celebrating the nation's independence each in his or her own way. last night president trump honored veterans at the kenied
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center. >> you shed your blood, poured your love, and you bared your soul in the defense of our country, our people and our great american flag. >> amen to that, but even as the president hairlined it, those american heroes who have risked it all in some cases sacrificed it all to protect the freedoms enshrined in the inu.s. constitution, he also took their moment and used to the attack. >> the fake media is trying to silence us, but we will not let them because the people know the truth. the fake media tried to stop us from going to the white house, but i'm president, and they're not. >> despite a flurry of tweets yesterday mostly about cable news, president trump has been silent so far on twitter about
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the health care bill, which republicans had been hoping to pass before july fourth. senator ben sasse of nebraska, thanks so much for joining us, senator. >> thanks for having me, jake. >> so let's do the forensic accounting of what happened on friday. at 6:20 a.m. you went on fox and friends and retouted the idea of first repealing obamacare and then replacing at later date. at 6:30 a.m. president trump embraced it on twitter writing quote, republican senators unable to pass what they're working on now. they should immediately repeal and then replace at a later date. tell us what brought president trump around to this, what is new position for him? >> i'm not sure that the ticktock part is all that interesting, but i've definitely been working with the white house and the president's senior team over that. but i think the most important
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thing to say is the president ran on repeal and replace. we've been working on that for about four months. and if leader mcconnell can get us across a finish line on a combined repeal and replace, i'd like to see that happen. if we can do a combined repeal and replace over the next week, that's great. but if we can't, though, we should do a repeal with a delay. let's be clear i don't want anyone thrown off the coverage they have now. let's delay. it's important to work in your state. it's important to travel. it's important to listen to your constituents, but i think we should get straight to work with around the clock hearings on a replace plan. i'm a little agnostic whether they're paired or separated. >> so senate majority leader mitch mcconnell seemed to reject your idea on saturday. he said he'll stick with the path of doing it all at once. have you spoken with senator
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mcconnell or gotten a sense of how much support there might be among republican senators for this plan of repeal first and replace at a later date? >> i'm a rookie. i'm one of only five people in the u.s. senate that's nev been a politician before. i'm mistaken for a page all the time walking through the halls of congress. i try to be constructive. and obviously leader mcconnell is the leader on this bill. and if within the next week he can get us a combined repeal and replace, again, a good repeal and replace, i'd like to support that. if he can't though, i think every senator except one, susan mcconnell's name is the only senator who hasn't repeatedly exclaimed repeal and replace and voted for repeal. everybody voted for are a repeal plan. the only thing then was
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president obama votowed it. now president trump would sign it. again, i want to atds a delay fromaneiment lmtation date so if we did full repeal, there would be time. but right now we're trying to get 350 of 52 plus the vice president to agree on a rooly complicated combined repeal and replace plan. i'd first to like to say let's to the repeal and then get the senators. let's cancel the august state work period, and let's do it in full public view and have hearings and get to work on something that's better than obamacare. we pledged that, and the american people deserve that. so let's talk about what that might me for the american people. cbo said repealing obamacare and not replacing it at the same time would result in 32 million more uninsured by 2026 merchandise now, obviously millions would be choosing not to have insurance. but also many of them would be
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losing medicaid or no longer able to afford private insurance because of the stipends it offers. you're saying there's a plan for them, that the repeal would be delayed. but isn't that kind of gambling on other people's health? what if it doesn't, and all these people have nothing? >> first of all, you're exactly right. we're talking about something different than what they're talking about, because i'm not talking about repeal only. republicans need to stop pretending everything worked okay in health care in 2010 when obamacare was passed. and democrats need to stop pretending obamacare is working. i talked to farmer after farmer who are now paying $20,000 to over $30,000 a year. it raised them on average nationally in the individual insurance market more than
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$3,200. cbo is filled with lots of well-meaning people and they're good with certain kinds of analysis. but analyzing long-term highly complex social diagrams, they've almost never been right. remember when they scored in the 1960s, scored what medicaid would cost in the next decade they were off by almost 1100%. regally score keepers underestimate cost and over estimate coverage. but if not, we should unbundle them, republicans gave their word they were going to repeal. we should do it. we should delay its implementation date and all 100
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senators should get before the american people on camera 18 hours a day. >> so fully repealing obamacare would amount to a tax cut of about $700 million approximately, about half of which would go to the top 10%. that's because they pay those taxes, about 50% of them as of now. and one orphyour colleagues he's worried about the policy and politics of this. let me read you what he said. quote, i want to make sure we're not in a situation, where we're cutting taxes for the wlty and the at the same time basically for lower income citizens, passing a larger burden to them. is that a concern you have as
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well? >> yes, we need a do a better job of complaining. i think obamacare should be fully repealed so when you do that, you would be getting rid of those taxes. but then we should be having a conversation of what replace looks like. and if leader mcconnell proposes a strategy right now where we try to get health care right and then you separate tax cuts, i would be wholeheartedly willing to embrace that. because i think the most important thing for us right now is to get a health care plan in place for middle class americans and those poorest and sickest among us. again, i'm one of many in congress who's never been a politician before this. and i said over and over again when i lived on a campaign bus i believe in a growing economy. and a growing economy means washington not trying to crowd out other things.
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i don't leave my family four or five days every week to go to d.c. because i care all that much about the marginal tax rate of the top 1%. i care about a growing economy. if we could do the tax reform first and replace second, fine by me. we'll take a quick break. and while you might be hitting the beach or paying tribute to american heroes, president trump on twitter. stay with us. when heartburn hits fight back fast with new tums chewy bites. fast relief in every bite. crunchy outside. chewy inside. tum tum tum tum new tums chewy bites.
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welcome back. president trump celebrated the week leading up to the fourth of july by relntlessly attacking journalists ranging from personal attacks on a cable news host's physical appearance to smears. we're back with senator ben sasse. senator, does this trouble you at all? >> sure. i mean there's an important distinction to draw between bad stories or crappy coverage and the right citizens have to argue about that and complain about that and trying to weaponinize distrust. the first amendment is the beating heart of the american
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kpeermt. and you don't get to separate the freedoms in there. they are five freedom. and you don't have religion without assembly. you don't have speech without press. we all need to celebrate all five of those freedoms because that's how the eplurbus anum stuff works. we come to first amendment which is an affirmation fact people are freed by the government. the declaration of independence is pretty clear about this that the government is just a tool to secure those rights. we need to do that cataclysmic stuff to ensure the next generation. >> you talked about weaponinizing distrust. this is more than a distrust but a strategy by the president to
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sew seeds. >> the reality is journalism is really going to change a lot more in the digital era. and we are at a risk of getting to a place where we don't have shared public facts. a republic will not work if we don't have shared facts. i sit on dan patrick's desk on the floor on purpose. because he's part of that famous quote you're intitled to your own opinions, but you're not entitled to your own facts. we defend each other's rights to pub accomplish journalism and species and things we then want to argue about. i agree with the president there's a lot of crappy press out there. i think you agree -- >> of course. >> and so barriers are going to go down, down, down. and so it is going to be
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possible within the next three to five years of people to surround themselves only with chambers and echoes of people who only believe what they believe. and america won't work if they do that. so we need to come together as a people and reteach our kids what the first amendment is about. and it's not helpful to call the press un-american people. there should be journalistic ethics and integrity. and media organizations should admit mistakes and fire people. and we've seen a little bit of that in the last week. that's a good thing. we should be celebrating that. >> you recently wrote a book called the -- perhaps more prabtic the older jenivations are forgotten we need a plan to teach them. it's our fault more than theirs.
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i'm quoting. in your opinion, when did this shift in culture start and what brought it about? >> so the vanishing american adult is not a rambling about. how do we raise our kids in an era of perpetual adolescence? as you transition, that greenhouse transition phase of adolescence where just because you hit puberty, just because you become biologically an adult we don't believe you have to be financially, school leaving, construction-wise independent. that's a gift. but perpetual adolescence is a nature. we should be able to distinguish between -- our kids have largely been insulated from necessity.
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i think the most fundamental thing to say about teen years right now compared to 40, 50, 60 years ago -- and again, this is not beating up on millennials. even for our lower middle class folks, we're still the richest people in history, they're still inilated from work then they've ever been before. so most kids growing up across history and across nations, being around their parents work. our kids aren't. so right now instead of having a distinction between production and consumption in their gut as they grow, we tend to distinguish between hours and years in school and then the consurm activities they have outside of school. that won't in a republic that's going to pass on that self-discipline, self-control is a governance.
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families do that, communities do that, neighborhoods do that, development of work ethic does that, and then government is supposed to be a place where we maintain that framework for liberty. we're holoing local community and neighborhood, but at the same time we're politicizing our national-curves so that the only community a lot of people have are what they project onto republican and democratic parties. these parties are pretty bankrupt intellectually. we need a recovery of the local and the neighborily. >> and i would recommend anyone out there who found what the senator said interesting, to read his book. before you go, senator, i want to ask you, you built a reputation for yourself with your book, with comments like the one you just made, and also by tweaking president trump. the last one has not gone over well with jeff coffman, the
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chairman of the iowa republican party. take a listen. >> we had senator ben sasse from nebraska. he crosses the missouri river and in that sanctimonious tone talks about what he doesn't like about donald trump, what he doesn't like about donald trump. you know what senator, sasse, i really don't care what you like. we love donald trump. and if you don't love him, i suggest you stay on your side of the missouri river. >> so senator, you're not taking that advice. in fact you're going to be crossing the missouri on friday. is there any chance you'll be challenging president trump for the are reppen nomination in 20/20? >> first of all, let's be clear why i'm going to be in iowa this weekend. i don't want to admit it but nebraska loss to iowa in a football game, and i lost a bet. so i have to drive uber on
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friday. but i don't know who that guy is in your segment. but i believe fourth of july weekend we ought to have every kid in america getting together and saying we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men and women are created equal, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. that's what america is about. it's not about republicans and democrats who have important differences on policy screaming at each other. this is weekend we should be celebrating all that. >> happy fourth of july to you and your family, senator. really appreciate your time today. >> you, too. blow some stuff up with your kids tonight. coming up mitch mcconnell, is bipartisanship even possible at this point. bernie sanders joins me live
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welcome back. republicans hope to take in their july fourth fireworks celebrating the end of obamacare, but that got rained out by inter-party fighting. senator mcconnell now says if he can't, he'll have to work out a deal with democrats. senator, thanks so much for joining us. let's start with health care. you just heard senator ben sasse. he's encouraging republicans to repeal obamacare now and then come up with a replacement. if republicans go down this path, will democrats be willing to work with him on the replacement? >> well, the answer is that i have a lot of respect for senator sasse, but that idea is
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an absord idea. as you pointed out, this congressional budget office indicated if you simply repeal the affordable care act, obamacare, you will throw 32 million americans off of health insurance, 10% of the population of the united states. if you throw, jake, 32 million people off of health insurance, what doctors who have stuied this issue say that tenoffs thousands of people every single year will die. what we've got to do and what a vast majority of marns wants us to do is to say what are the problems, how with we work together to solve them? the affordable care act, under the affordable care act the deductibles are too high. co-payments are too high. we paid the highest prices for prescription drugs of any country. one out of five americans can't
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even afford the medicines they need. we're very week in terms of primary health care. many of americans with health insurance can't find a doctor or dentist when they need them. let's put those issues on the table and figure out how we deal with them in a bipartisan matter. and secondly the problem not recognized or talked about in congress at all, i live 50 miles away from the canadian border. somehow they manage to provide health care for all of their people at a significantly lower capita than we do. of course it can be done in a bipartisan way. but you don't throw tens of millions of people off of health insurance in order to get $500 million in tax breaks to the richest companies. >> some of those millions would be choosing not to have health
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insurance because they'd no longer be fined. but let me ask you about -- >> jake, jake, jake -- that is true -- >> i'm pivoting to the medicaid -- >> i understand that. that is true, but we're the only nation who doesn't cover all. you have 20-year-olds who geout, get hit by a bus, and they're life is destroyed. ipmy nation, we should join every other nation, guaranteed health care to all. >> i just want clarify. i heard you say this before about tens of thousands of americans will die. where does that come from, and can you explain how they will die if they don't have insurance? >> sure, it comes from politfact. they checked the out and what they ended up saying during the week, said this was right.
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and they listed a dozen different studies. people can go to my website, sanders.sena sanders.senate.gov and get that story. if you have cancer, have diabetes and you don't have insurance, there is a likelihood you will die. and one of the studies said if you throw 23 million people off of health insurance, which is what the house did bill up to -- no one knows exactly the number -- up to 28,000 people a year will die from that decision. so what we're talking about is a disastterous bill. and second of all i would say, jake, there's something really weird where you have ama, the doctors, and the hospital associations, all of the health care organizations who know something about health care opposed to this bill.
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leader mcconnell still refuses to hold hearings to hear from doctors and nursess and from hospital executives. >> so i want to ask you first of all when you were on this program in march, you said you were going to introduce your medicare for all bill. you haven't introduced it. is there a time frame for that especially for the people who want to hear your plans for single payer want to know exactly how it can be paid for. >> sure. i don't want to confuse the two issues. medicare for all, which is simply an expansion for medicare, which not just the seniors but for everybody, will be saving middle class families substantial sums of money, and it'll be guaranteeing health care to every man, woman, and child in this country. right now i want to say short-term, if we're going to improve the affordable care act,
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this is what i think we should do short-term, while we go to our medicare for longer term, short term we need an medicaid option. short-term we should lower the age of medicare eligibility to 535 years of age. in short-term i hope we can work with republicans to end the absurdity of us paying inhighest prices in the world for prescription drugs. longer term, we need medicare for all, and i will introduce that as soon as this debate is over. >> i want to ask you about the fbi looking into burgten college and financing around it from the time you and your wife recently retained lawyers, i guess the fundamental question for you is did you or any of your staff reach out to it bank to approve any loans related to this trance action? >> absolutely not. and in fact let's be clear, five years -- five years after my
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wife left burlen college, five years after, guess what happened? right in the middle of my presidential campaign, i know this will shock the viewers, the vice-chairman of the vermont republican party who happened to be donald trump's campaign manager raised this issue and initiated this investigation. i should also mention to you just the other day the person who allegedly had made this statement that i had been involved in this land deal refuted it. he said i never said that. that was in a paper in vermont. so i think what you're looking at is something that republican national committee is very excited about. my wife is perhaps the most honest person i know. she did a great job in burlington college. sadly we're in a moment where parties not only attack public officials, but they have to go after wives and children. this is, you know, pathetic, and that's the way politics is in
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it'll be repeal and replace. it'll be essentially simultaneously. it will be various segments, you understand, but will most likely be on the same day or same week. but probably the same day, could be the same hour. >> that was president trump in january. but with the senate republican bill in jeopardy he now changed his tune. he's saying he's open to repealing obamacare now without replacing it immediately. and some republican senators are
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backing him. should the rest follow suit? joining me now, our panel. thanks one and all for being here. i appreciate it. what do you think? you're the only one here that can vote on this. >> that's exactly wright. and as we were discussing earlier, this is not that far from what the house recommended last november, where we look at putting out a date where we would repeal obamacare and then work in phases to make certain that all the statutes, all the rules and regulations are off the books by a given date. and i think the expectation of the american people was one stroke of the pen was going to take care of this. and as we all know, it's not possible. that's right, simplification of the message has gotten us into a box on this. it is a bill that has a lot of
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tentacles. you want to make certain that you do this properly so we are on the math to patient centered health care that's affordable for all americans. >> listen, i'm not going to give republicans advice how to do something i disagree with, but i am going to observe the way the president is doing it, makes no sense at all. he literally reverses course on a tweet, destroys the leverage of his own people. he tells his own people out there, get this done for me, get this done for me, oh, never mind. you don't do that with major legislation. >> house has been very systematic -- >> you're close with mitch mcconnell, so republicans are in this room trying to figure out how to get to 50 votes np republican conference on
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replacement. and this tweet, this totally new position was described as one republican aide as throwing a grenade into the middle of the room. >> well, it may have been designed as trying to pressure the process along here. all the data nerds and the spreadsheet jockeys are in the capital putting numbers together and trying to spin the dials in just the right ways to get close to 50 votes plus one. they said we're going to stay in the market but we need a 31% increase to do it. so if he needed a reminder why replacement was necessary, he got one. this plan to possibly cancel the august recess to keep working on it is interesting. premiums going up, deductibles
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going up, half of all counties in the united states -- >> what would you recommend the democratic senators do? should they step in here and offer their own alternative to help with some of the problems like the one that -- described or should they stand back and let republicans have this problem for themselves? >> i think it's important to put pressure on republicans in terms of what they've done so far is successfully gotten this to the recess. which was important because this is something that's deeply unpopular. and american people don't want this. whether it's repeal and we'll fix it later or we want trump care, people don't want this. and senators going home and having town halls or avoid at all costs having town halls -- >> speaking of town halls, i want you to hear a town hall
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with senator bill casied. >> by kicking them off their health care at that point, that's -- >> eliminate mandates and -- >> let me translate that. so the town hall participants said you know what people are like at their lowest to step on their necks at that point, that's cruel, sir. and senator caddied replied i'm doing my best. and that is my goal, that is what i'm working for. maybe you can come up with some sort of stipend when it comes to sound equipment. but this is what republicans are facing back home, this bill as jason pointed out, it is not poplar. the house bill wasn't popular.
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it did not pass, anyway. but it is not popular. millions and millions of people are going to lose their health insurance and -- >> here's the deal, unternt leads to confusion. confusion leads to emotion. and this is what you're seeing play out. people do not want to be left with nothing. and they want to make certain that they are going to be able to provide for themselves and their families when it comes to a health insurance product. the health insurance marketplace under the affordable care act is imploding as scott was saying. something has to be done. something has to be done. the status quo is not acceptable. >> i agree with you. let me say a couple of things, though, first of all the republican party has been jumping up and down on this pogo stick for seven years. and right now scaring people because they don't know what they're doing or how to do it.
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in the meantime, there are real problems out there, and we're not doing anything about them. and it seems to me the trump administration actually is happy to let things they could fix go worse and so -- >> no, they said that. >> they actually said it. >> i would take issue with fact that anybody wants to see individuals put in any kind of harm via a government program. our goal is to solve the problem, and that is what we're committed to do. it is the effect that we are -- >> we could do two hours on this if not more. there's one other subject i want to bring up which is the voter fraud commission out-of-the white house, making requests to states to turn over all sorts of data. there's been rebellion. here is your secretary of state. >> the president tweets 140 characters at a time, though,
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they're breaking down our democracy. and there comes a point where you say no. this is not trying to justify a lot of what the president puts forth, but this is about the personal privacy of voters. >> you're the secretary of the great state of missouri, what's your understanding? what do you think? >> this is totally unprecedented. this is about having private information that could very quickly become public. but you've got to look at the fact that they're asking for things like political party. something that started out as the biggest lie that a sitting president has ever told, that formed or became this commission that was supposed to justify and sort of make legitimate that ridiculous lie, and that has creeped into this which is looking a lot like voter suppression a power grab. just look at secretary coback, who made the request in his
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capacity as secretary of state of kansas said he can't fully comply with the request. >> i think you get two different groups when it comes to people that don't want to comply. those that resist trump and then those that say we will comply only if it fits our laws, but i think we have to go back and look in 2010 with the voter fraud and the acorn situation and the guilty employees and -- >> do you think that the president's right? >> this should have been done earlier. >> look, donald trump never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity. we could improve voting in the united states. on my side we're very concerned with voter suppression. let's talk about that. we're also on our side very concerned about the fact that you do have the voting rights act, which needs to be looked at again. so we want to have conversation about voting, let's talk about
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it. >> look, there are 24 million people aaccording to pew who are are on the voter rolls illegally or -- >> they're not and tried to -- >> that's not true -- >> it is true. there are people in jail for voting illegally. here's a point. pew has a study that has the voter rolls need to be cleaned up. the ncsl has issued guidelines. it strikes me the way to handle this -- >> -- the ncsl agrees with anything -- >> instead of a top-down commission i do think cooperation between state and federal governments could help -- >> and local election -- >> and after the break, president trump's first fourth of july as president and in true trump style the celebrations will not stop after the fireworks. stay with us.
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