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including a threat against al jazeera. we're going to have all of these topics and much more, a free newsletter at reliablesources.com. have a nice weekend and we'll see you back here next week. health care hit. the senate could not get a plan passed before the fourth of july. >> if we don't get it done, it's just going to be something we're not going to like. >> so now the president's proposing repealing obama care now and replacing out later, and he's working on the new strategy with one of his frequent crit s critics. >> we need repeal, we need replace, trying to do them together has essential seemed to work. and dat data denied.
we also need to keep the voter box office safe. >> people are crying foul and refusing tos comply, so the president asks, what are they hiding? plus blood view, president trump unleashing a new twitter tirade on the news. >> it's phony, it's fake. >> top republicans say it's a distraction, the white house says the president has no regrets. >> he fights fire with fire. >> as his war against the media reaches a fever pitch and the best political minds will be here with insights on what happens next. >> hello, i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is, americans celebrates their independence in their own way. last night president trump honored veterans at the kennedy center. >> you shed your blood, you're
poured your love, and you have bared your soul for our country and our people and our great american flag. >> i'm into that, but even as a president, at an event enentitled protect our freedoms. he also look their moment and used it to attack the fourth estate. >> the fake media is trying to silence us. but we will not let them. because the people know the truth. the fake media tried to stop us from going to the white house, but i'm president and they're not. >> despite a flurry of tweets, thanks to cable news, the president has been silent on the
republicans' health care bill. my guest this morning has an approach on health care that president trump seems to like. senator sasse, thank you for joining us. >> let's do the forensic accounting of what happened on friday. you went on cnn and touted the idea of repealing obama care and then -- writing republican senators unable to pass what they're working on now, they should immediately repeal and then replace at a later date. tell us about any behind the scenes conversations that are brought president trump around to this, what is a new position for him? >> i'm not sure that the ticktock part is all that interesting, but i have definitely been working with the white house and the president's senior team during the couple days leading up to that. but the most important thing is that republican ran on repeal
and on replace. the president ran on repeal and replace. we have been working on that for about four months and if we can get across the finish line on a combined repeal and replace, it needs to be a good replace. but if we can do a combined repeal and replace over the next week, we should do it. but if we can't, we continue to have a delay, i don't want to see anyone thrown off the coverage we have now, and i think the president should call on the senate to cancel our august work date. i think we should get straight to work at around the clock hearings on replace plan. i think we need to do both repeal and replace and i'm a leg agnostic into whether they're combined or separate. >> the president said he will stick with the past of doing it all at once. have you spoken with senator mcconnell or have you gotten a sense of how much support there
might be among republican senators for this plan of repeal first replace at a later date? >> you know, i'm a rookie, i'm one of only five people in the u.s. senate who's never been a politician before, i think i'm 91st in senior, which means i'm mistaken for a page when i walk through the halls of congress. i try to keep most of my conversations with leadership in private. and senator mcconnell is the leadership on this bill, and if he can get us a combined repeal and replace, a good replace, i would like to do that. if he can't, though, i think every senator except one, senator oncollins, have explain that they were for repeal and replace. in 2015, every republican senator, everybody voted for a repeal plan. the only thing then is that president obama vetoed it. now president trump would sign
it. i want to add a delay to its implementation date, so if we did full repeal, there would be time, but we should get to work on replace. right now we're trying to get 50 of 52, plus the vice president to agree on a really complicated repeal and replace plan. but i would say let's repeal, let's bring everybody into the room, let's do this full-time, 18 hours a day, seven days a week, let's cancel the august period and have full reviews and hearings. >> let's talk about what this might mean for the american people, cbo in the january analysis said that repealing obama care without replacing it at the same time would result in 32 million more uninsured by 2026. obviously, millions would be choosing not to have insurance, but also millions of them would lose medicaid, or would no longer be able to afford private
insurance, because of the stipends obamacare offers. your strategy is that there will be a plan for them, that the repeal will be delayed. but isn't that kind of gambling with other people's health? you're relying on counting on the senate to get it's acting to, and it doesn't. >> we're talking about something different than what they're talking about. we're not talking about repeal only. republicans need to stop believing that everything worked -- democrats need to stop pretending that obama care is working, when you're back here in rural nebraska, i talked to farmer after farmer after farmer who are now paying $20,000 to $30,0 $30,000 in premiums a year.
it's a $5,700 delta over what president obama promised. but analyzing macrolong-term highly complex dynamic social programs, they have almost never been right. remember when they scored the equivalent of cbo in the 1960s, scored what medicaid would cost in its fist decade, it was off by 1,100%. regularly government scorekeepers underestimate costings and they overestimate coverage. we need to do better than obamacare. i'm still willing to support a come combined repeal and replace if the senate can get us across the finish line after this work period. republicans gave their word they were going to repeal, we should do it. we should delay it's implementation date and all 100
senators could get before-we should do better than obamacare. >> so fully repealing obamacare would amount to a tax cult of $700 billion approximately, about half of which would go to the top 1%. people who make more than $875,000 per year, that's because they pay those taxes about 50% of them as of now. your republican senator bob corker of tennessee he's worried about both the poll i is and the politics of this. he said i want to make sure we're not in a situation where we're cutting taxes for the wealthy and at the same time base for lower income citizens putting a larger burden on them. >> i would say that we need do do a much better job as republicans of explaining that
we do -- i think that obamacare should be fully repealed, so when you do that, you would be getting rid of those taxes but then we would be in a conversation about what those look like, and if senator mcconnell proposes the health care and you separate the tax cut portion of that, i would be willing to whole heartedly embrace that because i think the most important thing right now is to get a health care reform plan in place for middle class americans and for those who are poorest and sickest among us. i have never been a politician before doing this, and i said over and over again when i lived on a campaign bus in 2013 and 2014 i believe in a growing economy and a growing economy benefits from not having washington crowd oultz other things. so there's all kinds of thing that i think contribute to a dynamic economy.
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. welcome back. president trump celebrated the week leading up to the fourth of july by relentlessly attacking journalists, ranging from personal attacks on a cable news host's physical appearance to a smearing of cnn, msnbc, "new york times" and "washington post." senator sasse does this trouble you at all? >> sure. there's an important distinction to draw between bad coverage or crappy stories and trying to weapon size distrust. the first amendment is the beating heart of the american experiment and you don't get to
separate the freedoms there are in there there are five freedoms, religion, speech, assembly and protest. you don't have religious without assembly, you don't have speech without press. we all need to celebrate all five of those freedoms, that's because how this country work. we debate about big and important things and we come together around the first amendment which is an affirmation of independence. we think government is just our shared tool to secure those rights that we have by nature. we need to affirm those rights, we need to do that civic stuff to teach the next generation what america is about. >> you talk about weaponizing distrust, you're talking about sewing seeds of mistrust on anyone who provides coverage.
>> the reality is journalism is really going to change a lot more in the digital area, and we risk getting to a place where we do not have shared facts. a republic won't work if we don't have shared facts. i sit at daniel patrick moynihan's desk in the senate on purpose because he's the author of that famous quote, you're entitled to your own opinions but you're not entitled to your own facts. if we come together and we defend each other's rights to say things that we differ about, that we defend each other's rights about things that we then want to argue about. i think you would agree that there's a whole bunch of click bait out there right now. barriers to journalism are going to go down, down, down. it's going to be entirely possible for people to surround
themselves with echo chambers and silo of only what each person believes, so we need to come together as a people and reteach our kids what the first amendment is about and it's not helpful to call the press the enemy of the american people. there are a whole bunch of particular journalists that should be called out for stories that aren't good enough. journalistic agencies should admit when they make mistake and they should issue correctionings and they should fire people. that's a good thing, we should be celebrating it. >> you wrote a book called the vanishing american adult. you said we're living in america in a state of perpetualed a legs sense, perhaps more problematic, the older generations have forgotten that we need to plan to teach them, it's our fault more than theirs, i'm quoting. in your opinion when did this
shift in our culture start? >> how do we race our kids better in a era of perpetuale e a adolescence. that green house trance station face of adolescence where just because you hit puberty, just because you biologically become an adult, we don't believe that you need to be fully independent just because you're 13 or 14. that's a gift. but perpetual adolescence is a dangerous. we should be able to distinguish between 10 and 15 and 25-year-olds and we're increasingly unable to do that. one thing is we live in the richest time in the richest nation in all of history. so our kids have been insulated
from necessity. i think the most fundmental thing compared to 40 or 50 or 60 years ago, this is not grebeati up on millennial's, even for our poorest folks, they're still the richest people in himan history. they're insulated from work in a way they have never been before. kids used to grow up going from 8 to 10 to 12 to 14 we'res old being around their parents' work, now our kids aren't. now instead of having a distinction in their production as they grow, we tend to consider their hours in school. that won't work in a republic that's going to pass on a robust sense that self-discipline, self-control, self-governance is an -- we believe that people and their dignity and their voir
chew is -- government is supposed to be a place where we maintain that frame work for orderly living. we're hollowing out -- we're politicizing our national conversations so that the only community a lot of people have is what they project on to republican and democratic parties, these parties are pretty bankrupt intellectually. we need a recovery of the local and the neighborly. >> and i would recommend anyone out there who found what the senator said interesting to read his book, it is a provocative read. before you go, senator, you have built a national reputation for yourself with your book, with comments like the one you just made and also by tweaking president trump, the last one hasn't gone over well with the chairman of the iowa republican party. >> we have senator ben sasse
from nebraska, he crosses the missouri river and in that sangt mostous -- i don't care what you like, we love trump, and if you don't love him, i suggest you stay on your side of the missouri river. >> so senator, you're not taking that advice, in fact you're going to be crossing the missouri river on friday going to the judge joseph story dinner. is there any chance that you'll challenge president trump for the republican nomination in 2020? >> first let's be clear that i'm going to be in iowa, but nebraska lost to iowa in a football game, and i lost a bet. so i have to drive uber in iowa there weekend, it's about hawkeyes and huskers blood letting on the football field and the after math of that.
i don't know who that guy is in your segment. here's what i believe, i believe on the fourth of july weekend we ought to have every kid in america having their aunts and uncles and grandmas and grandpas getting together to say we are endowed with certain inalieable rights, life, liberty and the pursuit of appear. it's not about republicans and democrats screaming that one side wants the other site to kill somebody. this is a weekend we should be celebrating all that. >> happy fourth of july to you and your family, senator, i really appreciate your time today. >> coming up, maritch mcconnell told his republican senators, if they don't fall in line with health care, he'll be forced to fall in line with democrats.
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welcome back. republicans hope to take in their weekend firework celebrating the end of obamacare, but that got drowned out by in party fighting. if republicans reach across the aisle, will democrats respond? joining us now is senator bernie sapders, you just heard congressman sasse, he's encouraging his republican colleagues to repeal now and replace later. if rains go down this path, will democrats be willing to work with him on the replacement? >> the answer is that i have a lot of president for senator sasse, but that idea is an absurd idea. as you pointed out, the
congressional budget office indicated that if you simply repeal the affordable care act, obamacare, you will throw 32 million americans off of health insurance. 10% of the population of the united states. for seven years, the republicans have been talking about a repeal mechanism, they haven't agreed yet. if you throw, jake, 32 million people off of health insurance, what doctors who have studied this issue say that tennin ings thousands of people every single year will die. what we have got to do is common sense is what the vast majority of the american people want to do is, what are the problems and how do we work together to solve them. we know who the problems are, the deductibles are too high. we pay the highest price for prescription drugs in the world. those are some of the problems, we're very weak in terms of
primary health care. even those with insurance can't find a doctor or a dentist when they need one. let's put those issues on the table and figure out how to deal with them in a bipartisan manner. and what we should recognize in congress is why we are the only major country on earth, i live 50 miles away from the canadian border. somehow they manage to provide health care for all of their people at a significantly lower cost per capita than we do and so does every other major country on earth. there is a lot to be talked about, of course it can be done in a bipartisan way, but you don't throw tens of millions of people off of health insurance in order to give tax breaks to the richest people and the krug companies. >> some of those people will be choosing not to have health coverage because they're choosing not to be fined.
>> jake, jake, jake. >> it's true, i understand that. but that is true, but again, we will the only nation that doesn't cover all those. we have today, you're right, 21-year-olds who are feeling great, they never get sick, they're healthy, they go out and get hit by a bus, their lives get destroyed because they have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars. in my view, we should join every other nation and guarantee health care for all. >> i have heard you say in before about tens of thousands of americans will die. where does that come from and can you explain how they will die offensiif they don't have insurance? >> it comes from politifacts. what they ended up saying during the week was sanders was frightened and they listed a dozen different studies, people can go to my website,
sanders.senate.gov to get the information. jake, if you have heard disease, if you have diabetes, and you don't have any health insurance, there is a likelihood that you will die. and what they said is -- one of the studies said if you throw 23 million people off of health care, up to 28,000 people, nobody knows the exact number, 28,000 people a year will die from that decision. so what we're talking about is a disaster you bill, and second of all what i would say, jake, is there's something really weird that when you have the ama, the doctors, you have the hospital associations, you have the aarp, you have all of the health care organizations who know something about health care, opposed to this bill, leader mcconnell still refuses to hold hearings to hear from doctors and
nursinnurse ins and from hospital executives. >> when you were on this program in march, you said you were going to introduce your medicare for all bill which would explain how to pay for it. you haven't introduced it yet, is there a time frame for that? because i think people want to hear how exactly it can be paid for. >> sure. and the answer is we're going to introduce it literally as soon as we're through with this debate. i don't want to confuse the two issues, medicare for all, which is simply an expansion of medicare, not just for seniors, but for everybody will be saving middle class families substantial sums of money and it will be guaranteeing health care to every man, woman and child in this country. right now, i want to say, short-term, if we're going to improve the affordable care act, this is what i think we should do short-term, while we go to medicare for all long-term,
short-term you need a public option in 50 states, so if people aren't happy with their health insurance, they can get a public option. and we should lower the eligibility to 55 years of age. longer term we need a medicare for all and i will introduce that as soon as this debate is over. >> i want to ask you about the fbi looking into burlington college and the land deal there and financing around it from the time that your wife jean sanderings was president of the college. you and your wife recently retained lawyers, i guess the question is did you or your staff reach out to the bank to obtain any loans related to this transaction? >> of course, absolutely not. and in fact, let's be clear. 5 years, five years after my wife left burlington college, and she left it in better shape than it had ever been in, five
years after, guess what happened? right in the middle of my presidential campaign, i know this will shock the viewers, the vice chairman of the vermont republican party who happened to be donald trump's campaign manager, raised this issue and initiated this investigation. i should also mention that just the other day, the person who allegedly had made this statement that i had been involved in this land deal, refuted, he said i never said that. that was in a paper in vermont. so i think what you're looking at is something that republican national committee is very excited about. my wife is perhaps the most honest person i know, she did a great job at burlington college. sadly we are at a moment where politicians attack wives and children. >> bernie sanders, we're going to have to leave it there.
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it will be repeal and replace, it will be essentially simultaneously. it will be veryarious segments,t will most likely be the same day, or the same week, but most likely the same day, could be the same hour. >> that was president trump in january but now with the republican bill in jeopardy, he's saying now he's open to repealing obamacare now without replacinging it immediately, and some republicans are backing him
up. cnn political commentatorcommen welcome. you're the only one that can vote on this. >> that's exactly right. this is not that far from what the house had recommended last november, that we put at looking at date certain where we would repeal obamacare and work in phases to make sure that all the statutes and all the rules and regulations are on the book by a certain date. i think some people thought that this would be done with a stroke of a pen, but it's not possible. it is a bill that has a lot of tentacles, you want to make certain that you do this properly so that we are on the
path to patient centered health care that is affordable to all americans. >> you sound so reasonable, i love that. >> because i am. >> the problem, listen, i'm not going to give republicans advise about how to do something i disagree with, but i am going to observe that the way that the president is doing it makes no sense at all. he literally reverses course on a tweet, destroys the leverage of his own people, he sends his own people out there, get this done for me, get this done for me, oh, never mind. you don't do that with major legislation, that is not the way you get major legislation. >> the house has been very systematic -- >> but the president of the united states -- >> this is the solid foundation. >> you're closest with mitch mcconnell, so republicans are in this room trying to figure out how to get to 50 votes on the replacement and this tweet that the president sent out friday, was described by one republican
senate aide as throwing a grenade into the middle of the room. >> it may have been designed to try and press this along here. i know senator mcconnell is workiwork working all weekend and trying to spin the dials in just the right way to get to 50 votes plus one. and senator mcconnell went home and got hit by another clip, anthem said we're going to stay in the market, but we need a 34% premium increase to do it. if he needed another reminder about why a replacement plan is necessary, he got it when he went home. they're not there yet but they still have a few days to get there. this idea of canceling the august recess to get there. the more time that passes, this doesn't get any easier, but what does happen are the circumstances, premiums going up, deductibles going up.
>> what would you recommend that democratic senators doing? should they step in here and offer their own alternative to help with some of the problems that scott just lined up, described or should they just stand back and let the republicans have this problem themselves? >> i think it's important to put pressure on the republicans, i mean in terms of what they have done so far is they have successfully gotten this to the recess, because what's important is this is something that's deeply unpopular. whether it's the we'll repeal and replace later, that's not what americans want. and now republicans have to go home and have to hold town halls or have to avoid at all costs having town halls. >> i want to show you an excerpt from that town hall. >> you know stepping on their
necks by kicking them off health care. >> i will do my best to make sure that we continue coverage, care for those with pre-exiexis conditions, eliminate mandates on health insurance. >> this is what republicans are facing back home, people who are saying, this bill as jason pointed out, is no it popular, the house deal was not popular, but here, millions and millions of people are going to lose their insurance either voluntarily or through medicaid being cut. >> here's the deal, uncertainty leads to confusion, confusion leads to emotion. and this is what you're seeing play out. people do not want to be left with nothing. and they want to make certain that they are going to be able to provide for themselves and their families when it comes to a health insurance product. the health insurance marketplace under the affordable care act is
imploding as scott was saying. something has to be done. something has to be done. the status quo is not acceptable. we continue -- >> let me say a couple of things. first of all, the republican party has been jumping up and down on this poe go stick for seven year, and right now they are scaring people because it looks like they don't know what they're doing, what they want to do or how to do it. in the meantime, there are real problems out there. and we're not doing anything about them. and it seems to me that the trump administration actually is happy to let things they could fix go worse. >> they have said that. >> they actually said it. >> i'm going to take issue with the fact that anybody wants to see individuals put in any kind of harm. via a government program. our goal is to solve the problem and that is why we are committed to do.
it is the effect we are speaking. >> we could spend hours on this, but we do have limited time. one of the subjects i want to bring up is the voter fraud commission at the white house ordering states to turn over voter data. here's your secretary of state, democrat al paulson. >> the president tweets 140 characters at a time, they're breaking down our democracy. there comes a time to justify a lot of what the president puts forth. >> you're the former secretary of the great state of arizona. what is your response to the president's request? >> this is unprecedented. this is actually having a whole lot of private information that could very quickly become public. and you've got to look at the fact that they asking for things
like political party. it becomes pretty clear that what's happened is something that turned out to be the biggest lie that a president has ever told that millions of people illegally voted in this election. and that has creeped into this, which is league a lot more like voter suppression and a power grab to go after this kind of information. just look at the fact that the secretary that made the request in his capacity as secretary of state of kansas has said he can't fully comply with the request. >> this is because of state privacy laws, but i think you get two different groups when it comes to people that don't want to comply, that resists trump and those that say we will comply only if it fits our laws, but i think we have to go back and look at in 2010, with the vot voter fraud and acorn situation.
this should have been done earlier. >> look, donald trump never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity. we could improve voting in the united states. on my side, we're very concerned about voter suppression, we're very concerned that you have a bunch of laws being passed that even courts say are targeting african-americans. let's talk about that. we're also very concerned about the fact that you do have the voting rights act that needs to be looked at again. if you want to have a conversation about voting let's have it. >> there are those who are on the voter roles in this country, either fraudulently or not valid. there are people in the federal jail in kentucky that voted illegally in elections there are people that are in jail for voting illegally. but here's the point, pugh has a study that says the voter roles need to be cleaned up. the nsl has issued guidelines to the states.
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this is "gps, the global public square." i'm fareed zakaria coming to you from the festival in colorado's majestic rocky mountains. senator mark warner joins me, he's the man in the spotlight, co-leading that key panel's investigation into collusion between the trump campaign and the russian government. how deep will the investigation going into t