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some form of publically available information. >> diane, thanks very much sglrchlts fin. finally, congratulations. he was born just this morning. phil tells us everyone is doing well. we give them our best wishes. i'm jim sciutto. thanks for watching tonight. erin burnett "outfront" starts now. >> the u.s. tonight warning north korea the window for a peaceful solution is quickly closing. how long before the reeg nation could hit the u.s. with a nuclear bomb. >> plus the white house won't say what trump will talk to putin about at their meeting this week. >> and which country has reportedly put an official in charge of reading trump's tweets? let's go out front. >> good evening. sharp military escalations. the un ambassador tonight
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threatening war against kim jong-un, issuing a warning to north korea after its first ever launch of a missile. it could hit the united states. north korea's launch makes the world a more dangerous place. >> make no mistake, north korea's launch of an icbm is a clear and sharp military escalation. north corrkorea's destabilizinga threat to all nations in the region and beyond. >> that comes as general vincent brooks, the top military commander in south korea signed an anonymous note that address it is potential for war saying self-restraint is all that separates us. those threats coming on the heels of an extraordinary show of force. the two armies holding a joint military exercise, firing
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ballistic mill sissiles. the missile causing all this uproar is this one. it is a missile that could hit alaska, possibly hawaii. that test you see there was successful, according to north korean state media. it reached a height of 1,741 miles, traveled 578 miles. we're going to have more on the tret to the united states in just one moment. i want to begin with michelle at the state department. michelle, when you hear talk of war, talk of all that threatens or separates us from armi isist how seriously are they considering it? >> that option is a real option, but it is always there. that's why the u.s. has the capability in the regions, why the u.s. works so closely with south korea and other countries in that region because it is supposed to be a deterrent. and right now the u.s. wants to
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put the threat out there. it wants to visually show that capability, put it right in north korea's face in the hopes that it will continue to be a deterrent to further action on the part of north korea. the problem is, of course, it hasn't been working very well. here's some of the what the u.s. ambassador to the un nikki haley said today. >> their actions are quickly closing off the possibility of a diplomatic solution. the united states is prepared to use a full range of our capabilities to defend ourselves and our allies. >> at the end of that she added the u.s. would use the military option if we must, but would prefer not to. so consider it a serious option, a real option, but also a risky one and very much a last resort. today in the security council we heard russia and china state together they think the way the u.s. is approaching this with
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the rhetoric and with the threat of military option is actually making the situation worse. >> thank you very much, michelle. and sara murray is out front in poland where president trump is tonight, on his way to meet with other world leaders. sara, north korea now looming over all of these meetings. what is the white house saying? >> they're not saying much at this point. sarah huckabee sanders came back on air force one today as our reporters were traveling here and basically said, look, we're not going to give you an idea of what we could do next. we've been pretty consistent and we are never going to broadcast next steps. she said she didn't have anything further to add. the way this is playing out sets up president trump's meeting with the chinese president as one of the most impactful as we head into the g20. we know they hit it off and the president left feeling like china could begin to put pressure on north korea. since then trump has made it very clear he's been disappointed that the chinese
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have not done more. and this administration has taken steps. they have made an arms deal with taiwan, flapped chinese banks with sanctions. it would be interesting if the president says, look, these were warning shots. we expect you to do more and see what the tenor is between those two world leaders coming out of that meeting and how different it might sound from the meeting in march -a-lagmar-a-lago. >> now member of the house armed services committee. senator, great to have you with me. this is a crucial moment here. north korea launched its first icbm capable of hitting the united states. you heard the reply, we're not going to broadcast any next steps on north korea. what is the correct approach? >> what is lacking here is a strategy or next step. whether the administration wants to broadcast it or not, it needs to come to congress with a strategy. we've been calling for it for months now. and more than just tough talk.
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there needs to be action, coercive diplomacy. >> north korea 17 missiles during 11 tests. this is just since president donald trump took office, okay? this is a lot of testing. and they have made significant progress. so should the u.s. watch and wait? you're talking about coercive diplomacy. but at some point whatever we tried has not worked. >> time is not on our side. and time is shrinking between now and the time when north korea will reduce the size of its warheads so that it can use it against the united states, so that it can master the reentry technology that's necessary and i think that we cannot wait. we need to take action now. and that includes putting pressure on the chinese as we began to last week, put sanctions on a small chinese bank. there need to be more sanctions and much tougher. >> when you say we have to do
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something, let's talk about the big one, preemptive strike, would you support a preemptive strike of any sort? >> no. because that is a fraud with potential costs in human lives and really countless american lives in the soldiers that are there now. so any military action has to be an absolute last resort. but we are resorting to a military deterrent even as we speak. the missile defense force that is deployed in south korea or deploying there and perhaps in japan as well. the military exercises so-called in firing missiles as we have done in the south koreans. so we are beginning military deterrents. >> now, on that front, the defense secretary recently said war with north korea would be catastrophic, as you point out. we're talking about north korean civilians. you're talking about u.s. soldiers and something the likes of which we have not seen at
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least since world war ii. you are talking about casualties. here's mattis talking. i want to play his description for you. >> conflict in north korea, john, would be probably the worst kind of fighting in most people's lifetimes. the bottom line is it would be catastrophic war if this turns into combat. if we're not able to resolve this situation through diplomatic means. >> the thing, though, that, you know, and i've been to south korea with secretary carter. the one thing that's been a constant, no matter what the united states has said or done, no matter what deals with taiwan have been done, it has all failed. north korea made progress after progress. at some point, is this a choice that we're going to have to make, that you would have to support mass casualties and
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combat? >> there are very realistic alternatives before we need to even seriously consider a military option for all the reasons that secretary mattis has well described, it would be a kind of war unlike any we have seen because obviously seoul is 30 to 50 miles from the north korean artillery and anybody who has been there, you have been, i have not been, knows just from the kind of statistics as well as seeing it that it would be an unacceptable kind of option to use unless we are, in effect, at serious, grave, urgent, immediate risk. >> which you're saying we're not there yet. but we are a couple years away yet. two maybe three. >> maybe even less time depending on how fast north koreans advance. but the chinese know it and they have other objectives here, one
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of which is to keep the north and south divided. the other is to reduce american military capabilities in that part of the world, south chinese sea. but they also know that we have a serious and grave immediate interest in it. so i think the chinese, in reducing trade, food, fuel, going to north korea have a lever that we need to use. >> so far, look, the president met with the chinese president and said he's going to work with me. things are great. but he's now changed his tune after this missile test. today he tweeted about it. so much for china working for us. but we had to give it a try and now the un ambassador nikki haley, here's what she had to say about china. >> much of the burden of enforcing un sanctions rests with china. 90 bers of trade with north
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korea is from china. we will work with china and any and every country that believes in peace. but we will not repeat the inadequate approaches of the past that have brought us to this dark day. >> there are many on trump's teams that have advocated significant tariffs on country that we haven't seen since those kinds of things sparked the world war. would you support them at this time? because nothing else has gotten china to do anything. >> economic measures completely are necessary. they are the first resort. they need to be brought here so that china in turn will bear economic pressure on north korea. that's the most available option that we have now. and it is potentially hemful. but it has to be part of a sustained and continuous constant strategy, not a one off, not a one time meeting at mar-a-lago with chinese leadership. it has to be part of a strategy.
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that's what's lacking. >> thank you so much. i appreciate your time. sglnk next, are we ready if north korea launches a missile? the answer may surprise you. it was actually just a test. and trump arriving in poland. his second overseas trip in poland. top aids are worried about his meeting with putin. as putin and trump vie for the title of world's strong man, we meet a new competitor in the ring. somewhere along the great journey of self-discovery: a breakthrough. ♪ it's in our nature to need each other. ♪
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they might be capable now of actually hitting u.s. soil somewhere up here in alaska. let's take a look at a life size model of this missile and talk about it a little bit. physically it is not terribly tall. it is a little more than 50 feet tall, so ataller than a basketball court is wide. so it didn't fly that far horizontally. it was less than 600 miles. people are so excited because of how high it went. if you believe their estimate, it was much, much higher than the international space station. and they brought it back seemingly under control into the atmosphere into a splash down. all of that says a lot about how they have been working on propulsion and control. >> tom, you know, i know you said it doesn't seem very tall. seeing you next to it it seems
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that way at least to me. is it beyond the realm of possibility that this missile could eventually hit other major u.s. cities? >> beyond the realm of possibility, absolutely not. take a look at this. when you talk about the range of something like this, you're talking about the ability to cover a long distance. we could put a green light on this because they basically figured out how to give it range. they need some refinement, but they could keep pushing the range out there technologically now and they could get it to reach hawaii maybe or other u.s. cities over time. now, important caveat here. what about accuracy? this is a big yellow light, a caution light for them right now because there is no sign yet they mastered that part of it. getting a missile to fly that far is one thing. if you hit what you're aiming it is quite another. remember, earlier this year they had big failures in their missile tests as well.
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the reason you build intercontinental ballistic missiles is to carry nuclear warheads. there is no indication they have figured out how to make them small enough and reliable enough to ride on any of their missiles. but take all of this together, erin, take what we saw just a couple of days back here over the last months and we're just now seeing this is evidence they're making real progress over all those fronts and fast. erin. >> i want to go to the author of nuclear showdown and u.s. energy secretary. our thanks to both of you. we are here at a crucial moment, a turning point, shall we say. north korea is making progress. now, the united states says that we have, you know, and when i was over there they talk about don't worry. we have this missile defense system in the west coast of the united states. the problem is two weeks ago they tested it with a test like
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the one we're going to show here and it failed. it failed to actually intercept that missile. how prepared is the u.s. military? >> well, for defending u.s., the answer is no. the north koreans can overwhelm. even if we hit every target on the missile interceptors in california and alaska are not as sophisticated as the one we just tested. we have some good technology on ships that can go close to north korea and maybe get it in the boost phase. so there are things that we can do. but the north koreans -- >> once it gets up there, if they are able to master getting it down -- >> it's really hard because it's coming down very, very fast. when you ark a missile and it approach it is earth at a very hard speed, it is really, really hard to hit. >> this is pretty scary, especially when you look at the progress they're making and the failure of efforts thus far. back in january, trump tweeted,
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north korea stated it is in the final stages of developing a nuclear weapon capable of reaching parts of the u.s. it won't happen! well, it looks like it's going to happen unless something dramatic is done and quickly to stop it. you wrote a letter to the president urging him to engage in talks with north korea, which kim jong-un said he doesn't want to do. what's left here besides military confrontation? >> well, i think we need some new approaches in diplomacy and sanctions. i would continue the military exercises with south korea. i would increase them. i would continue the cyber efforts to try to degrade their missile and nuclear capability. i think their new kind of sanctions we're looking at at the un, hopefully china and russia won't veto them involving chinese banks squeezing the north korean leadership under the bush administration that seemed to work. but we took those off.
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an international effort at north korea. you're right. there are a lot of bad options and diplomacy is probably the best of a lot of bad options. i think we have to be realistic. the target would be a freeze on icbms on missile technology. i think nuclear is probably something that is not obtainable in the short run. but i think once again we need new actors, new players. the european union, the vatican. try to find some new levers in diplomacy that we have not tried. >> gordon, you were shaking your head a little there. >> we don't want a freeze because we don't want to accept the program as a given. that's been a basis of american policy from the very beginning. so i think what we need to do is really start to look at coercive diplomacy on the chart of the chinese. they launched it out of a chinese transporter launcher.
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>> did you say some of these missiles are chinese built? it's not like a gun. >> the most advanced one was tested on may 21st. they looked like various of china's. we need to ask how did the north koreans get it. and this conversation needs to be public because it involves the health and safety and welfare of all americans. so there are all sorts of things we need to do and we can push the chinese in much better directions if we start going after their banks and their enterprises. >> the trump administration has put a sanction on a small chinese bank, but do you think the next step should be to sanction the big banks of china. should they do that, ban them from the united states system? do we gain more than we lose from that? >> i think this meeting between the president and the president of china is critical at the g20. and we have to put it to china, look, are you going to help us or not? if you're not, there are going
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to be some consequences. that option you mentioned i think is realistic. but i disagree with gordon. i mean, talking about, yes, it's been an objective of u.s. policy to stop nuclear technology. well, that is the objective. but it hasn't worked. i think you have to be realistic. the most immediate threat are the icbms, that technology, at least the freeze or obviously we want to go towards elimination or seriously curbing it. but i think you got to be realistic on what the first step on diplomacy is. >> you mean kim jong-un, he's not crazy, right? but yet he has a goal, and it is clear what he's going to do. is there any situation under which he would stop, even if he said he was going to? >> well, you know, i have negotiated with the north koreans for years.
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you could always make a deal with a father's regime, even the grandfather's regime. we don't know about this guy. we don't know. he's unpredictable. he's dangerous. at the same time he's going to have to want something. his country is in dire smik straights. they're sanctioned to death. i think something has got to give somewhere. china is the main actor. i agree with gordon there and they're not stepping up. but i think there is new players that need to be dbe divised. serious comprehensive military, long-range, sort-range strategy. that's what we need to do. we have a little time. a little time. >> as he says, a little time. how much time? >> maybe a year. even less if the chinese accelerate the process by giving the north koreans more technology. you know, a month ago people were saying three or four years including me. but now the time frame has been brought back to perhaps 18
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president trump arriving in poland hours ago. just the second overseas trip of his presidency. then he's going to go to germany for the g20 summit as trump finds himself under fire for his tweets. 52 on his personal page. one in four attacks on the media. so how are these controversial tweets viewed overseas.
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alex is outfront with tonight's number. >> reporter: as the president left for europe this morning he fired off a series of tweets that cast a chill over one of america's most important relationships, implying that china is working against the u.s. in trying to reign in north korea. world leaders often use twitter to lay out their thoughts on foreign affairs, but none like this and none with greater potential consequences. >> it certainly is true that any given tweet you've got to be nervous about it. might box president trump in or give away some information. it might get him into a dynamic with some other leader who fires back verbally with some risk of it's kalating to military conflict. >> trump's tweets have been met with fascination and amusement but also nervousness and outright anger. south korea was so concerned they assigned a foreign affairs officer just to monitor his tweets. trump has often used twitter like a traditional president, so
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offer support and sympathy to friends but also with these same friends in unorthodox and undiplomatic ways like attacking the mayor of london following june's terror attack. responding he has more important things to do than respond to donald trump's ill-informed tweet. the ambassador to the uk trying to calm the waters tweeting i commend the strong leadership of the mayor of london after he leads the city forward. >> you don't have to take every tweet equally seriously. frankly, sometimes mr. trump will revise his own opinion the next day. >> one other american diplomat found herself so frustrated she used the president's favorite way of communication to vent. she tweeted, knowing i will send today explaining our democracy and institutions. michelle smith has since stepped
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down. trump's tweets often confuse, contradicting what he himself and his administration have previously said. weeks after calling qatar a crucial partner he seemed to side with saudi arabia against them, frustrating the state and defense departments who view qatar as a key ally. >> 90% of his tweets are not so dangerous. they are more or less harmless. but that last 5 or 10% could get us in trouble. i really hope he takes more care with them than sometimes seems to be the case. >> so even though many around the world like here in the u.s. take the president's tweets with a grain of salt, they are seen overseas as valuable insight into the president's state of mind. erin, i was speaking earlier with an ambassador of one of america's closest allies. he told me the tweets are received with shock and awe, that they're fascinating but often kpas per rating beyond
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words. >> job and the former senior communications for the trump campaign and trump transition team. jason, you just heard alex, one of america's closest allies say trump's tweets are received with shock and awe. your reaction. >> i think one of the things that's important to keep in mind is what we saw from president trump on his last international trip, where he went to saudi arabia and the vatican and nato. we saw president trump be very disciplined on that trip and foc focussed. >> you mean he did not tweet. >> i think he was very focussed. i wouldn't say the president is not going to tweet at all on this trip, but i think he knows the stakes. the importance of these meetings he has coming up on friday and i think the folks i'm talking to inside the white house are reflecting that fact that the president is very focussed going into this trip. the other thing, too, erin, that's important to point out, folks have been watching this presidency from day one, as well
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as the campaign last year. it is no surprise that the president is not shy about getting his message across or taking to twitter to go directly to people. folks here in america know that, but they also know that around the world. this isn't coming as any sort of surprise. >> the problem is that, you know, it's all well and good. the president should be trying to prepare for this trip. but we also know the president keeps stepping on his own message. and it's not about simply trying to talk to people directly. the simple fact is it's very tough to be president of the united states, leader of the free world and king of the trolls at the same time. it sends a destabilizing message at home and to our allies. part of the problem is that twitter trump is the real trump. so he may be well coached for this trip and i hope he is, but his twitter persona does not help his leadership and the cause of american leadership around the world. >> you mentioned his first trip. first of all, he didn't tweet on that. look, a lot of people were very happy. he was able to focus on the
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meetings and have the focus of the media be there and not on whatever he's saying about the media or television news anchor. but there was that one image where he pushed aside the prime minister of montenegro to move up front which we all remember. we're showing it again here now. jason, are these the kind of optics that are really going to help? >> well, i think you make a very important point that so much of the imagery that comes from these trips might not be from particularly prepared remarks. they might come from literally that what appears to be a nudge and looked to me like the president was trying to better ma nufr into position. but look, the handshake coming up on friday will be big, what the body language looks like following the president has on friday. images do matter and they are very powerful. and i think the president gets that, particularly wefor his
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meeting with putin. >> do you think he learned from that? because what was interesting about that is while some of his base saw that as a great thing. look, he's pushing to get to the front of the line. our country has been left behind, that was a good thing. very different than how many world leaders or people around the world saw that. >> yeah. you're right in saying that many of his base did seem to rally around it. but internationally it was seen for what it was, which was a president who is leader of the free world but still feels the need to elbow himself to the front of the line. that's not the behind of behavior we expect. and that's the standard he's going to have to live up to. it's been a real problem. we can't sugar coat it. it's recognized around the world and also recognized by his colleagues, who are statesmen on the world stage. it is a problem for the american leadership as well as this president. >> does he recognize the importance of the moment? because it seems like sometimes he does but then there is another moment, a moment that comes next. in that moment he fires something off twitter which
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frankly undoes whatever he may have just done. >> i believe that he does. and in particular as we see this additional missile testing from north korea we're seeing the threat there and also the threat from syria and isis, even though i think we're making some great progress against isis. we should be engaged with the russian on that front more. i think the president does realize the stakes here and how important this is. the one thing that president trump knows, at least as far as my experience with him, both on the campaign trail and through the transition and in observing him now are the stakes going into these big moments. he knows every eyeball will be watching him on friday when he meets with president putin and i think president trump will be ready. >> yes. every eyeball will be. >> and the key is not to absorb that attention as something positive for its own sake but to try to use the moment and the influence to advance american interests and the interests of our allies.
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>> that is a fantastic point. i think the president will be going in there with a very strong message to the russians regarding north korea and syria. and this is the time to go and send a strong message. >> all right. thank you both very much. you're saying every eyeball will be on this. they will. but the white house tonight refuses to say what they're takl about. russian meddling in the u.s. election doesn't appear to be on the list. and last stand for isis in raqqa. but will isis defeat create for problems in syria. a rare look from the front line. ? legacy technology can handcuff any company. but "yes" is here. you're saying the new app will go live monday? yeah. with help from hpe, we can finally work the way we want to. with the right mix of hybrid it, everything computes. the whole country booking on choice four words, badda book. badda boom...
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sglrchlgs new tonight the white house refusing to preview president trump's meeting with the russian president vladimir putin. asked what trump may bring up, sarah huckabee sanders said, quote, i'm not going to get ahead of their meeting as the kremlin tried to down play the entire thing saying it would be limited for time. chris stewart who sits on the house intelligence committee. i appreciate your time tonight. administration officials are telling cnn president trump will talk about ukraine and syria, but there's no expectation at this time that he's going to bring up russian interference in the u.s. election. should he? >> yeah. i don't know if he should.
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frankly i don't know if he'll have time. i think they will have a chance to discuss it. the american people would like to have some answers on that. i do hope he talks about syria. i think it is a dangerous situation we've encountered there. probably an urgent item they would discuss. doesn't hurt to go back and talk about ukraine and crimea as well and point out they haven't been helpful in the international community the last few years. >> all that makes sense, but sitting where you are and of course you are in the midst of an investigation of what happened in russian meddling and whether there was any involvement from anyone in trump's orbit with that meddling, if he doesn't bring it up, does he run the risk of signaling to the american people even any kind of guilt? i mean why not bring up the election interference? >> well, i think that's a fair point in the sense that this is a political process right now and that the american people do have questions. and i mean you know that there isn't any evidence of collusion right now.
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i don't think he has anything to lose by bringing it up, actually. i don't think it will be helpful and i don't expect vladimir putin will be responsive to that. but it is an important issue. the american people and i know this, the american people want to know his response to this. and i think the politics of it would actually be helpful if he did bring it up. >> the trump administration, congressman, as you know, has said it is considering returning two massive mansions in the united states. we're showing them to our viewers. compounds seized in december as punishment. we're told trump is considering this as part of a larger set of agreements to partner with russia. do you think that it is appropriate at this time to return those compounds? >> i would have to see the contents of the negotiations or the deal they say they're going to get something back for it. if they gave us real meaningful concessions in syria, for example, i could say maybe. but without knowing the broad
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outline of what is agreed upon, it is hard for me to say. i can tell you this, and this is important for the american people to know, our state department people are officials in moscow, have lived under just really, really tenuous and obnoxious circumstances in russia over the last several years. the harassment they face, you may remember a video of one of our officials as he's accosted by a guard. he's thrown to the ground and actually injured as he's trying to get in the embassy. they're going into their apartments and killing their pets in some cases. if that's the case, it's hard for me to say we're just going to give these homes back to you. i think they should pay a price for some of those things. but once again if they have some kind of agreement where we're getting something for that, i mean, i would consider that and in its entirety, maybe that's a good idea. i don't know right now. >> it is running what you say. i mean, killing their pets. >> yeah. yeah. i mean, it is. it is just harassment that our
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officials have lived under in moscow for the last several years is just outrageous. many of us have tried to point that out to people, that the harassment and the lifestyle that they have been forced to evndure and for no reason other than to send a message. it needs to be highlighted and frankly they need to be held accountable for that. >> before you go, i know you have been briefed on the latest missile test. what have you learned? >> my heavens. this is a real concerning situation for us. i think it is the most dangerous situation we face and by the way that isn't just me who believes that. many of our senior military officials believe that as well. kim jong-un isn't insane.irrati evil. and he is committed to developing missiles capable of hitting, frankly, eventually to be able to reach multiple cities around the united states.
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we just can't allow that to happen. it is a very complicated situation with no obvious good answers and it is going to take us a little while i think to figure out the best way to move forward on this. >> i appreciate your time. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. >> next, isis surrounded. we're going to go to the front lines of the war against isis. is the terror group about to lose the choke hold and make things even more difficult for the u.s.? and tcan trump or putin top thi? at blue apron,
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tonight, we take you to the front lines of the war against isis. american-backed forces right now inching their way into the isis stronghold of raqqah. nick paton walsh is on the ground. nick, what are you seeing? >> reporter: erin, this used to be the front line against isis. but things have moved so fast that the front line is now 40 miles away on the outskirts of raqqah city. it is now surrounded by coalition backed syrian, kurdish, and arab fighters, the guys behind me. the last few days, they have managed to break through the defensive walls of the old city of raqqah, a dense network of streets, miles of defensive position of isis put in their way. the move on raqqah is happening quite fast.
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at the same time, we're seeing them in the their last footsteps in mosul. hundreds of meters left there, but being defended by suicide bombers using civilians as human shields. tough work for the iraqi special forces. they can taste victory, but the they're still potentially days away. the iraqi society has to heal somehow and get over the divide between the sunnis, who seemed to back isis to some degree, and the shia ethnic group, who are mostly in the government and military now. complex tasks now before they start reconstructing. and here in syria, the kurdish forces with arabs alongside them, that the u.s. is backing on the ground and in the air, they want to move in and kick isis out. but who comes in after them? that's not a clear answer to that question. at this point, the u.s. has a plan.
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the question is, the syrian regime, do they want that territory? what happens next for the innocent civilians in raqqah who have lived under isis and don't know much about their future? >> much more reporting from nick paton walsh. what next then for president trump? next, putin is known for antics like this, riding horses shirtless. and now, france's macron dropping into a submarine from a helicopter. can donald trump compete? jeanne moos will look into it. more than one flavor, or texture, or color. a good clean salad is so much more than green. and with panera catering, more for your event. panera. food as it should be.
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tonight, a president who knows how to make an entrance. here's jeanne moos. >> reporter: pick the most testosterone fueled leader, is it president putin, president trump, or france's new 39-year-old president, after tweeting out a photo of himself being lowered from a chopper to the deck of a french nuclear sub. comparisons were made. >> bond, james bond. >> reporter: my name is macron, emmanuel macron. okay, it was just a winch, not a jet pack. but still, president macron, dressed in a naval uniform and took part in a civil launch simulation.
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up periscope. tweeted someone, coming soon, president drops in on international space station and snaps selfie. macron practically arm wrestled president trump during a hand shake. >> thank you very much. >> reporter: of course, russian president vladamir putin had his mini photo-op long ago. he's been fishing and riding horses bare chested for years. his naked torso has become a regular on snl. >> putin is going to make everything okay. >> reporter: the real putin has been hang gliding with cranes and tigers. it's as if world leaders are y trying to out-macho each other. even if canada's prime minister was only joking with his pushup. it doesn't hurt to know that he can do this. the trump hand shake is his signature tough guy move. surpassed only by the time he pushed montenegro's prime minister out of the way.
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but holding a golf club suspect nearly as high in testosterone as holding a gun. and compared to being airlifted onto a sub at sea, the most macho thing we've seen president trump board was a truck. m moos, jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> thanks for joining us. "ac 360" is next. the challenge that president-elect trump said would not happen is happening now. a nuclear armed north korea testing missiles that can reach this country. now it's up to president trump to deal with it, and it's only one of many challenges he's facing. john berman here in for anderson. the president arrived in warsaw today. north korea launched an