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hello, i'm monica thanks for joining us. president trump, the star player on the world stage. the spotlight shifting to germany. the president is now in hamburg for the g-20 summit and the first test of his young term. this hour, he is meeting with angela merkel. then a dinner with japanese and korean leaders. i's been a busy day for the leader of the free world. he spent most of the day in poland. he praised the courage of the
polish people, encouraged nato members and declared the fundamental question of our time. called out russia for trying to destabilize poland and other parts of the world. that and russian meddling in the u.s. election should make the high stakes sit-down meeting with the russian president more interesting. nic robertson will have more on that. let's begin with atika. president trump is now on the ground being greeted by protesters. >> reporter: that's right. this is a very different reception than what he saw in warsaw. the protests, i don't know if you can see the stage behind me has a banner that says welcome to hell. that is what this protest is being called today. it's basically a show of demonstrators and how they reject the g-20 and leaders such as president trump. in fact, we believe president
trump may have had an overview. look, we saw two blackhawks flying overhead earlier after president trump landing. he may have seen this protest under way. police aren't taking any chances. they expect more than 100,000 people to come out over the next three days. starting tonight, they expect thousands to come out. it could get rowdy. that's why they have two water cannons along with an armored carrier. they are not taking chances. demonstrators are determined to send a message to president trump and block the g-20. >> all right. we know you will keep us updated. before the president's big speech to a friendly crowd in poland today, he got several questions from reporters. it was the first time he took questions, in fact, in about a month. he talked about north korea, the media and russia meddling in the u.s. election.
listen. >> well, i think it was russia and i think it could have been other people in other countries, could have been a lot of people interfere. i said it simply, it could have been russia, but could have been other countries. the thing i have to mention is barack obama, when he was president, found out about this in terms of if it were russia. found out about it in august. now the election was in november. that's a lot of time. he did nothing about it. why did he do nothing about it? he was told it was russia by the cia, as i understand it, it was well reported. they say he choked. i don't think he choked, i think he thought hillary clinton was going win the election and he said let's not do anything about it. had he thought the other way, he would have done something about it. i heard it was 17 agencies. i said that's a lot. do we have that many intelligence agencies, let's
check it. we did very heavy research. it turned out to be three or four, not 17. many people had to change reporting, apologize and correct. now, with that being said, mistakes have been made. i agree, i think it was russia but i think it was probably other people and/or countries and i see nothing wrong with that statement. nobody really knows. nobody really knows for sure. i remember when i was sitting back listening about iraq, weapons of mass destruction. how everybody was 100% sure that iraq had weapons of mass destruction. guess what? that led to one big mess. they were wrong. it led to a mess. >> i want to bring in nic robertson joining us in hamburg. nic, the president there questioning the intelligence communities conclusion that russia was a big mover behind
the 2016 meddling. >> reporter: yeah. then he went on a well scripted speech that he gave in the big square in warsaw to the polish audience to tell russia to stop being a disrupter. stop disrupting in knew crane and other countries as well. it was a very, very clear message. when he goes to meet in the next 24 hours now with president putin, that much awaited one-on-one meeting, we can certainly anticipate that president putin will have heard both messages and know one was the well scripted, well crafted message and the other will get a sense that was president trump speaking from the heart, if you will, questioning, you know, the veracity and the accuracy of his own intelligence agencies. that will certainly be something that president trump, the former intelligence agent himself will want to exploit in that
conversation. we can anticipate it on president putin's sight. the issue of ukraine expected to come up in the talks. there will be a meeting of the minds and another tough meeting that president trump is going to face is the one with president ping, china over north korea. he wants more sanctions. he needs more support for that. how is he going to achieve that. he said he wasn't going to give away what his red lines were. this is what he said. >> as far as north korea is concerned, i don't know. we'll see what happens. i don't like to talk about what i have planned. i have some pretty severe things we are thinking about. that doesn't mean we are going to do them. i don't draw red lines. president obama drew a red line and i was the one that made it look a little bit better than it was. >> reporter: so, plenty of weighty meetings to come. plenty of bilaterals as well.
the first one with angela merkel. trade, climate trade and so forth. this is going to be a different environment than the president had in warsaw. >> a lot at stake and the meetings off the g-7 summit, a lot of people questioning how these relationships are going to evolve since then. thank you very much, nic robertson. joining us to further discuss, hala and jaime, he's an expert in asian-american relations with the atlantic council and daily beast columnist, gordon chang. we heard in some of the clips this morning, the president still questioning whether russia actually meddled in the u.s. election. why do you think he continues to question the intelligence? >> it's propostrouse and there's one reason. he knows, as the evidence comes out, russia played an important
role in the meddling. when he's in warsaw, he's saying russia is doing these bad things because that's what the audience wants to hear and needs to hear. on the other hand, the more he accepts what our intelligence agencies are saying is the united states was attacked by russia. we don't know the level of the influence that it had on the election outcome, but it was big. that undermines his credibility. he's trying to do two things at the same time. while he's doing that, he's undermining the creditability of the united states and the credibility of the united states. >> he's going to meet with president putin tomorrow. being a former kgb guy, when he hears the response from the president, what do you think is his read. >> he's going to say, we aggressively took on the united states political system. russia had a major win against the united states. the president of the united
states is covering up for russia. it weakens the united states. >> do you think it's in the u.s. best interest for the president to put a question to putin about the russian election meddling? >> absolutely. the united states was attacked, essentially by the russians. this is not just about the election of president trump. this is the integrity. if the russians can do this sort of brazen attack and not be held accountable and have the president of the united states covering up for putin and the russian intelligence services, that's very, very bad for the united states and really dangerous for our country. >> we are learning there are five senate democrats who are planning to ask and urge the president in a letter to confront putin on election interference. it's unlikely we are hearing at the moment, at least from the white house officials he will be addressing the election meddling. hala, we did. in the former address, hear
president trump call out russia on destabilizing activities in ukraine. listen. >> we urge russia to siege destabling activities in ukraine and elsewhere and support for hostile regimes, including syria and iran. to, instead, join the community of responsible nations in our fight against common enemies and a defense of civilization itself. >> this morning, the kremlin said that it, quote, had no understanding of what washington wants. trump is laying out specifics here. hala, will russia take notice? >> well, they will. they know who donald trump's audience was in poland, it was a very friendly crowd. it was also an event hosted by the polish president who was elected in 2015 of the law and justice party.
controversial party there. quite -- certainly, in terms of ideology, shares kinship with the president. what i found interesting was from donald trump, the idea somehow that this is a threat that western civilization itself is under attack by islamic extremism by open borders. it's as though the u.s. president has taken his campaign themes to the international stage. again, speaking to polish fans, very, very friendly reception there from those who crowded into that square in warsaw. the big question is going to be, obviously, his meeting with angela merkel. there was some tension between the two when the jerman chancellor visited the white house a few months ago. also, that g-7 meeting, the summit that happened in brussels. it was very interesting to observe the body language between president trump and,
among others, angela merkel. those important meetings, beyond the rousing welcome party he got in poland that we could have expects and predicted, the important meetings are today with angela merkel in the next hour and tomorrow, with president putin. >> you talked about the presence the u.s. has on the world stage. when he hear him go after his predecessor and point fingers at the media, among leaders like douda and xi and people who tried to limit free press in their countries, does that empower them? >> obviously it does. it's concerning the president of the united states is partnering with strong men and dictators in a critique open media, which is a hallmark of our democratic system and our way of life. >> deeply, deeply concerning.
the president is represent thag country we have built and fought for over centuries. as we move away from that tradition, it's not just terrorism. terrorism is a concern for everybody. to say that is the organizing principal, it undermines what we have together built out of the ashes of the second world war, which is this liberal, international world order, free trade, human rights, growing democratic systems. that is what has allowed big parts of the world to grow and prosper and unleash this incredible potential. if we say the u.s. mission on the world stage is to fight terrorism, we are under mining this magnificent structure that we and our allies have built over the last 70-plus years. we are doing it at our own peril. >> gor dan, you are an expert in this area. that is expected to be a huge
topic of discussion during the g-20 summit. the president is going to meet with leaders later today. you heard the president saying severe things are planned. what's your take on that? >> there has to be severe things because we don't have much time to figure this out. the north koreans within a year, maybe 18 months will have a nuke on top of an intercontinental ballistic missile. i don't think they are going to try to use the nukes to extort and blackmail south korea and the united states. this could get very, very dangerous. we could go to the brink of war. you know, trump needs to change policy because the policies we have had the last two or three decades have not worked. so, i think we have to do something, which is really going to be beyond imagination of say a year ago and do severe things. >> so, get specific there. you talked about the policies. the policies in the past are
sanctions, diplomacy. are you saying there could be a limited military option? >> there is. that is to take missiles on their way to places like iran and then we don't have the authority under u.n. rules to do that. the north koreans have given us that authority by aggravating the arms at least three times this scentury. we have the right to sink their ships. we are not going to do that. we have the trade in missiles that have come from china to north korea. that is one limited military option people have not been talking about. >> wouldn't they realuate and open the door to a bigger conflict? >> they could retaliate, but we cannot allow them to sell nukes and missiles around the world. every solution going forward will have cost for the united states. we have dug ourselves into
position of peril. we have to run the risks. they are horrific. this is the consequence of bad policy pursued over the last three administrations. >> a lot of administrations you point out with democrats and republicans. stand by, much more to discuss. we are talking about how the president's inner circle is preparing him for the face-to-face meeting with putin and they have no idea what the us wants from this meeting. cnn gives a look at north korea's new missile, including the capability to hit the mainland. president trump meets with angela merkel, a frequent critic of the president. hear what she says this morning, which suggests their meeting may get tense. stay with us. ready to take control
of your back pain? new icyhot lidocaine patch. desensitizes aggravated nerves with the max strength lidocaine available. new icyhot lidocaine patch. the crowd size for president trump in poland, huge. >> thank you so much. >> many in the crowd were bussed in from around the country by the right wing government. president trump declaring that the fundamental question of our
time is whether the west has the will to survive. it to bring in hala and matthew rosenberg. matthew, president trump, for the first time in his speech to the crowd, confirming the u.s. commitment to nato's article v. les's listen. >> i would point out the united states demonstrated not merely with words but actions that we stand firmly behind article v, the mutual defense commission. >> will that reassure allies? matthew, can you hear me? >> i can hear you. but if i'm on, all i hear is music in the background. >> you are live with us. we just talked and heard a clip from president trump, confirming the u.s. commitment to nato in article v.
does that reassure allies? >> that leaves a huge open question. trump has, you know, in the past, has raised questions about nato. those questions are going to linger, no matter what he says today. there's a bigger question, what's going to happen in the meeting with vladimir putin and how close is the u.s. going to look to be with russia, how friendly is trump going to be with putin. that will send a message to other european allies. many fear russia, some like poland with large, long, historical memories. the u.s. is willing to play ball with putin. really set a tone more than a simple, straight forward statement. >> hala, as matt points out, it is the most anticipated meeting with vladimir putin, that is expected to happen tomorrow. the kremlin has no understanding of what washington wants from moscow, but we expect trump to talk about syria and ukraine.
he talked about those in his speech there. how straight forward should the president be with putin about america's expectations in terms of being effective in this conversation? >> well, it's -- i was going to say, sorry, matthew, it's telling the syria and ukraine topics are the least controversial things he could bring up. i wouldn't discount the meeting with angela merkel. here is why. angela merkel, in may, you will remember, said europe can no longer rely on traditional allies after the election of donald trump and brexit. they are meeting next hour. there was a tense oval office, lack of handshake. you will remember that. there's a development. the eu signed a landmark free trade deal with japan. these are two of the world's biggest economic areas and they have just signed a big trade agreement with each other. now, i think these summits are more and more bringing into sharp focus the idea that the eu
could be looking beyond its traditional allies to a new world order. one of the leaders who has, in fact, publicly expressed that at a campaign event, angela merkel and others not as publicly, are keeping a very close eye on how the u.s. president, donald trump, is acting with regards to russia, with regards to how the president has been seen by some traditional allies, lecturing them over nato, defense spending and the rest of it. these are historic times. these summits are an opportunity for us to observe them on the public stage. it will be interesting to see how the merkel/trump meeting goes in a few hours. >> trump made a comment about the u.s. intelligence agencies and questioned their credibility. i'm curious if you are hearing reaction in the intelligence community. he brought up iraq and the weapons of mass destruction from
way back. >> you know, those are the kind of comments that make most intelligence professionals in this country bristle. the way they see it is there are in the past. this country is strong in the world. that has nothing to do with their assessment right now. it is shared unlike what trump is referring to. they are more debated topics. there's not much debate about russia's attempts to interfere. the way they see it, trump is saying this is no big deal. he's also been talking about, well not all 17 intelligence agencies breathe. that's a bit of a dodge there, too. the intelligence agencies that do the work, cia, nsa, parts of the fbi, they agree. they agree about russia. their assessment was rather detailed, even a public one. the classified one is far more
details, which trump has seen. there is a lot of bristle at this suggestion. >> we have to leave it there. thank you both. we appreciate your time. cnn takes a virtual look at north korea's new missile, the one officials say crosses a red line. what are the president's options and does the u.s. feel prepared for a potential conflict? plus the president calling out his predecessor about the role in russian meddling. are the claims accurate? we'll discuss. ♪ when heartburn hits fight back fast with new tums chewy bites. fast relief in every bite. crunchy outside. chewy inside. tum tum tum tum new tums chewy bites.
considering, quote, pretty severe things for north korea after it launched an intercontinental ballistic missile this week. the missile is causing more problems. the analysts say it could reach the u.s. and two, u.s. intelligence haven't seen it before. tom foreman has more details on what this projectile is capable of doing. tom, fill us in. >> north koreans are on track to have a record year in terms of missile tests. they have had more than a dozen, more than ever. last year was a big year. with each one, we have a better sense of the range of their vary yaus weapons. now, this is a milestone. for the first time, this one has independent analysts saying they believe it could hit u.s. soil somewhere up here in alaska. so, let's take a look at this missile. this missile is about 55 feet tall. it is roughly as tall as a basketball court is wide. it didn't go that far
horizontally, even if you believe what the north koreans say, it was less than 600 miles. it's the height that has everyone worried here. look at the altitude. again, even if it's overreaching by the north koreans, this went much, much higher than the international space station. it left the atmosphere, it came back into the atmosphere, seemingly under control and all of that says they have made big strides in propulsion and guidance, two key elements for an icbm. >> it's not beyond the realm of possibility this rocket could hit other major u.s. cities? >> it's not beyond the realm. look at the checklist. start with range. they have solved the puzzle of range here. all they have to do is expand upon that to get more and more range out of it. yes, you keep doing that and you start bringing hawaii and the west coast and even more into
your area there. beyond that, you can look at something like accuracy. the next panel over here. accuracy is another question we have to ask. what do you do to hit a target the way you want to. simply getting a missile there doesn't mean you are going to drop a warhead where you want. we put a yellow caution light on that. we don't know and they haven't replicated this experiment from the other day. they have to do that. the stopper is this one, the one in red is the nuclear part. the reason you build a icbm is to put a nuclear warhead on it. they have not proven they can miniaturize a warhead or make it reliable enough to say what their threat is against the united states. they are moving closer in that direction. there's a bit of a race to see if they can arrive at that or if the world, the united states can find a way to stop them before they get there. >> that is the important question. tom foreman, thank you.
not an easy answer as we have heard from gordon and other experts. i want to bring in adriana who serves on the committee. toupt get your take. listen to what president trump said about the north korean missile. >> as far as north korea is concerned, i don't know. we'll see what happens. i don't like to talk about what i have planned. but, i have some pretty severe things that we are thinking about. that doesn't mean we are going to do them. i don't draw red lines. president obama drew a red line and i was the one that made it look a little better than it was. >> congressman, did this latest missile launch cross a red line for you? >> we'll see what happens. is that what the president has to say? north korea has engaged in launching over a dozen missiles this year. this one goes further out and can reach as far out as alaska. we have, last month, we passed
legislation asking for stiffer sanctions against north creigh, the shipping industry, acknowledging they have a forced labor, a force that across the world, people going into other countries sending money back to north korea. we want to make sure there are stiffer sanctions that has go out there breaking the rule. >> sanctions are one option, certainly, but we have seen that in the past. sanctions don't work. north korea advances its missile capabilities. we hear the president ask about red lines, when i ask that question, i'm talking is this the threshold for military involvement? >> i think this is the treasure hold that sends a clear and present danger that we must be cognizant that north korea is moving rapidly ahead to reach this capability to strike america. therefore, we should go to our
allies, the united nations, seek to have stiffer sanctions. we shall not allow their ships in our ports. we should not allow their ships in our water. >> what if china isn't willing to play ball? >> the president acknowledged when he pivot to the chinese, they dropped the ball. this is clearly in our court, in america's court. we should take the action with allies. perhaps he could better the relationship we have with the european allies when he meets with angela merkel, today. perhaps, you know, we can better our relationship with the european union and they can be part of this solution. i think we can no longer sit idle and watch north korea reach the potential to strike u.s. territory. should it involve our military action? no. it should go to congress and we should discuss that. >> at this point, you are not willing to say military action should be an option. i hear you say sanctions.
let's turn to what the president said regarding russia's election meddling. he pointed the finger at his predecessor and not doing something more immediately. we played the clip earlier. are you familiar and do you agree? >> of course not. there's a cloud over him as to whether or not his campaign colluded with putin and the kremlin and undermining our democracy. there is another cloud as to his businesses and what types of business arrangements he may or may not have with russia. so, the big elephant in the room, when he meets putin is whether or not they meddle and they compromise our democracy. >> anything clear? >> anything he discusses with putin will be undermined by this big elephant in the room. it should be addressed head on. obama had nothing to do with it. it happened under his watch. it was his campaign aides with
contact with russian officials. >> but it happened under president obama's administration, during the election itself. president obama was at the helm. >> it wasn't president obama asking putin and the russians to release e-mails during the hillary/trump campaign. it was president trump. now we have this big question. >> that's an allegation. >> well, he said it publicly. he would ask the russians to release the e-mails. now he's meeting with putin. now we have to discuss issues that are important like syria. the elephant in the room is whether or not russia compromised it. your vote and my vote. >> you don't think the obama administration could have done more to prevent the election meddling or punish putin? >> i'm sure some actions could have been taken. clearly, clearly the brunt of this intervention, the brunt of this blatant, blatant act against our democracy was during
the trump/clinton elections. therefore, we are now still determining whether or not through our investigation whether or not the trump officials prior to him being president and post election had direct contact with russia to compromise our democracy. to pivot back to president obama or pivot back to other presidents, i think is a disservice to this nation. >> you talk about the elephant in the room at this meeting between president trump and vladimir putin. what if he doesn't bring up election meddling? >> i think it will be sad. it will discredit any legitimacy and conversation they have unless you address that first. i think anything else that will be discussed, syria or north korea or anything else will be undermined and discredited. the most important issue that america is wrestling with right now with regard to foreign policy, whether or not the
russians interfered in our election and whether or not they compromised your vote and my vote. >> they are continuing to meddle in other elections as we saw in the french election as well. congressman, thank you for coming on and joining us today. we appreciate it. any moment now, president trump meets with one of his biggest critics, germany's angela merkel. we'll bring what could be a tense meeting. this is cnn live coverage. [man'. look at us. look at us. it's so nice to get out of the city. it's so... quiet. is it, too quiet? it's awful. yeah. feel at home, pretty much wherever you are. t-mobile is america's best unlimited network.
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support for hostile regimes. moments earlier, in an unscripted response, president trump chose to cast doubt on the veracity of america's intelligence community and criticize his predecessor, president obama rather than say russia has meddled. david is joining us now. david, is president trump taking russia's election hacking seriously? >> it's a good question because if you listen to what he said this morning, it is hard to walk away from that with any impression other than he thinks it's not that extraordinary or significant or worthy of the attention it has gotten. he seems to have suggested in comments this has been happening for many, many years and there's been interference and others have done it also. it suggests, to my ear, he doesn't think it's a tough
priority or significant. that's at odds from the own intelligence community and what we have heard across the aisle, republicans and democrats who think what russia did is extraordinarily significant and is requiring the u.s. to have real defenses against it going forward. >> so, how important is it for him to say, this is exactly what we are doing and, yes, this did happen. obviously, this is not an issue that only affects america as we have seen russia meddling or hacking in other elections such as the french election. >> certainly. we have seen it have global implications. but, here at home, if the president of the united states doesn't deem this all that out of the ordinary and it is run of the mill and happens all the time and not significant, it's hard to imagine how making sure, those the administration laid out certain steps it is taking,
how does this end up at the top of the priority list to ensure that our elections, when voters go to the polls this fall for the gubernatorial races next year and the midterm elections is a totally free of foreign interference in an electoral process. after the press conference, he gave that speech about the importance of the survival of western civilization. what is more core to that than free and fair elections? so, if, indeed, he is lax in his thinking of the significance of this, it's hard to imagine how it is a top priority to ensure that the elections going forward here at home are totally free of this interference. >> the comments you made about president obama not taking the election meddling, if it was russia, he says. seriously enough, how unprecedented it is for a sitting u.s. president to slam his predecessor so viciously on foreign soil saying he choked.
was it a mistake to go there? >> we didn't hear him do this on his first international trip, call out president obama by name. in doing so on foreign soil certainly is not the norm in presidential behavior, that we have seen from past presidents while on foreign soil. i don't know, i haven't checked every comment made on foreign soil by presidents, i don't know if that's been done before or not. it is noteworthy and indicative of what really there was no relationship to begin with. but what this relationship deteriorated into is not at all part of that president's club camaraderie that we have seen from past people who assumed the oval office, even if they made their way by tearing apart their predecessor on the campaign trail, we have seen relationships form in that club to give that camaraderie. that is not the case here. >> we know president obama has
close relationships with the other world leaders the president will be meeting with at the g-20 summit. it will be interesting to see if there's an impact. david, our thanks to you. two of the biggest leaders in the west with differences on a host of issues. can a president and germany's angela merkel bridge the gap? we are awaiting a meeting between the two. their meeting happening in moments. why the divide? will it bring them closer? protests under way. we will take you there, next.
in just a few moments, president trump will sit down for talks with german leader angela merkel. the two leaders have had a bumpy relationship so far. don't even see eye-to-eye on trade, climate change, immigration, three topics they may discuss during their meeting and at the g-20 summit. senior correspondent cnn fred pleitgen is live where the two the will meet any minute. set the scene. what are you hearing on the ground? >> reporter: women, i'm at the
anti-g-20 demo here in hamburg. look around, you can see literally thousands here. the organizers say about 5,000 to 6,000 people actually on the ground, ana. you're right. the meeting between angela merkel and president trump, that's the big thing on everybody's mind at this point in time. so you're absolutely right. they don't see eye-to-eye on many issues and something the german foreign minister said when he said he believed the u.s. might be trying to start a trade war with europe and europe would retaliate and angela merkel said the same thing heavy criticizing president trump in a speech a few days ago and disingenuous to gloss over the big issues these leaders have. angela merkel, a as a matter of fact politician, someone who is able to deal with personalities not same as her own and clear she says she certainly does not see eye-to-eye with president trump, as you said, on trade, on migration and certainly on the environment as well.
so look for that to be quite a frosty chat between the two leaders. at the same time, quite matter of fact. it is a much more difficult relationship between angela merkel and president trump than angela merkel and president obama before, because they had close relationships. an interesting meeting kicking off in a couple minutes. >> wait for that. fred, do you know if there will be cameras? make comments after their meeting or any idea how this will unfold? >> reporter: certainly pictures of the meeting. not clear whether or not there will be any statements afterwards or sequestering. already seen the president give a speech in poland. unclear whether or not the white house might want that to be the message of today. especially things said about nato. we'll wait and see. certainly going to be interesting. of course, there are going to be pictures of that meeting. >> fred pleitgen, thanks so much. we'll bring you that meeting
welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thanks for sharing your day with us. a big day on the world stage for president trump and a big meeting this hour. the president arrived in germany a short time ago and is on his way to a face-to-face with chancellor angela merkel with sharp disagreements on climate change, trade, terrorism and more. the president's first stop, poland. refused to single out russia for what his own national security team agrees was unprecedented 2016 election interference. >> well, i