for you, "cnn talk" is next. for our u.s. viewers, president trump and president putin are going to go face to face today. what are the stakes? let's get after it. putin is showing he isn't planning to make things easy for trump? >> is he going to be commander in chief of the united states? is he going to stand up to the top spy in russia? >> he has to be strong. we do have to talk about russia's involvement in our democracy. >> nobody really knows. nobody really knows for sure. >> this was an aggressive action taken by the senior leadership inside of russia. >> the russian spies are ramp rg up their intelligence gathering efforts in the united states. >> not at all surprised the election hack caused no response from the united states president. >> as long as we don't push back with russians, they're going to continue. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and allison camarata. >> good morning, allison is off,
poppy harlow joins me. we have a lot of anticipation building at the g-20 summit in hamburg, germany. in just a few hours, president trump and russia's vladimir putin will sit down for a face-to-face meeting. will russia's election meddling be part of their discussion? >> this meeting happens as current and former u.s. intelligence sources tell cnn that since the election, russian spies have stepped up their intelligence gathering efforts in america. officials say the kremlin is emboldened by the lack of a strong response from the current administration and from the obama administration. we have it all covered. let's go first to sara murray who's live for us in hamburg, germany. good morning, sara. >> reporter: good morning, poppy. well, presidents trump and putin did meet briefly earlier this morning for the first time. they shook hands but the real substance will come later in what is sure to be a closely scrutinized formal bilateral meeting between the two leaders. >> if putin likes donald trump,
guess what, folks. that's called an asset. >> i hope we have a fantastic relationship. >> i don't love, i don't hate. we'll see how it works. >> reporter: after months of anticipation, president donald trump set to come face to face with russian president vladimir putin. the controversial head of state behind the 2016 election interference that has haunted the trump presidency. the pair will meet today for 30 minutes, accompanied only by their translators and top diplomats. russian foreign minister, sergey lavrov, and secretary of state, rex tillerson, who has a long-standing relationship with president putin. >> we've begun an effort to begin to rebuild confidence between ourselves and russia. >> reporter: tillerson is one of the top officials who has been hurriedly preparing the president for the high-stakes face-off. white house advisers say the agenda is not set. but key issues could include the conflict in syria, north korea, and russian aggression in
ukraine, which led to sanctions. sources say president trump has been presented with a large binder of briefing materials for the g-20 summit. but only a few pages of notes and bullet points on his putin meeting. >> we urge russia to cease its destabilizing activities in ukraine and elsewhere. >> reporter: trump delivered a tough message to the kremlin ahead of today's sit-down. pledging sport to the nato alliance in the face of russian aggression. >> we stand firmly behind article 5, the mutual defense commitment. >> reporter: but just hours earlier, the president stopped short of condemning moscow for meddling in the 2016 election. >> i think it was russia, but c think it was probably other people and/or countries and i see nothing wrong with that statement. nobody really knows. >> reporter: this statement undercutting the conclusions of his own intelligence community. >> there's absolutely no doubt about it and the high confidence
levels, the multiple sources of information we had, and its high fidelity still leave me very convinced of the voracity of that report. >> reporter: it remains unclear if president trump will bring up the election hacking today, but a growing number of lawmakers are urging the president to raise the issue. >> i don't understand how the united states president can protect the country, if he's not willing to sit down with vladimir putin and look him in the eye and say, i know you did this. it will stop. >> reporter: now, the g-20 is playing out here against the backdrop of extensive protests. those protests are actually preventing first lady melania trump from attending the spouse's program she was slated to be at today. the police have not cleared her to leave. that's according to current spokeswoman. and here on this rooftop, you can hear sirens across the city. we've heard a number of loud bangs and seen plumes of smoke going up, so clear that those protesters are continuing today as they were last night.
>> protests at the g-20 not unusual. we saw sights yesterday of the water cannon being used against people. they were trying to use umbrellas to deter those efforts so they could stay in place. we'll keep tracking what's going on with the demonstrations. with president trump ready to mute with putin in a few hours, cnn has new reporting about concerns in the u.s. intelligence community every about stepped up russian spy efforts hear in america. we have shimon prokupecz. what did you learn? >> russian spies are ramping up their intelligence gathering efforts in the u.s., according to current and former u.s. intelligence officials, who say they have noticed an increase since the elections. the russians have not been slowed by retaliatory efforts after it meddled in the u.s. election, according to the u.s. intelligence community. officials say they've been replenishing their ranks since the u.s. expelled 35 u.s. diplomats, suspected of spying last december. in some case, russian spies have tried to gain employment at places with sensitive
information. the fbi would not comment for the story, and that the russian embassy didn't respond for a request for comment, chris. >> all right. so, here's the question. if they know that they're stepping up their efforts with, do they have any ability to stop the saime? >> not necessarily stop it, but we know after the meddling in the election, both the obama and trump administrations have been slow to take measures to respond to the intelligence threat, according to the current, former u.s. intelligence officials. you know, also partisan political disagreements over the russian activity and president donald trump's reluctance to accept intelligence conclusions about russia's meddling in the election has slowed efforts to counter the threat. another issue here, chris, is that there is an ongoing frustration with the state department over the granting of visas to pee s ts to people, th intelligence suspect are sbleblgs officers. a state department official would not comment specifically on the visas. we are told that the fbi's
counterintelligence division is trying, you know, is making efforts to keep an eye on some of this activity. chris and poppy zb. >> a very interesting issue there. obviously, a visa is a privilege, not a right. and you have the travel ban put in place to keep the country safe, but you have these people who are getting visas and it's kind of freaking out those in the system. why isn't that on lockdown? shimon, thank you for the reporting. let's bring in our panel. ron brownstein, cnn global affairs analyst, tony blinken, and cnn national security analyst, david sanger. he is in hamburg, germany, where the g-20 is being held. tony blinken, the stakes. we know we've had the first handshake. we're getting in there today. there's a lot of muscling up in advance of this. is that the right posture for the american president in this meeting? does he want to go in there to call out vladimir putin? to flex, as he has suggested he would in the past? >> chris, i don't think he has any choice but to call him out, particularly on the election meddling. >> in a first meeting?
>> in a first meeting. because this is the elephant in the room. if he doesn't do it, he's emboldening the russias to continue doing what they've already done. >> but if he calls it out, hasn't he already set himself up for failure on that. if he comes along and strong, i know what you did, i don't like that you kid it, i'm not obama, you try that again, you're going to have trouble, hasn't he set himself up for putin to say, what did i do? i didn't do anything. you have admitted yourself, mr. president, that this intel is shaky at best. >> the president has painted himself into a corner by casting doubt on our own intelligence services which were unanimous in finding that russia meddled in the election. but if you don't clear this up, he's not going to be able to pursue anything else he wants. and there is a larger russian strategy at play here. that is to sew doubt in our institutions and leaders. the failure to even acknowledge that they've done that, never mind to actually confront it, actually feeds that doubt. so then the president presented himself as a leader of the west in the speech in poland. and he asked, do we have the will to survive? if he doesn't confront the
greatest threat to the west, which is russia's efforts to undermine our institutions, the answer would have to be no. >> so this is a cool moment. these are the g-20 leaders you see on your screen. they're gathering for a group photo. angela merkel popping out there with the red jacket in front. >> not to mention one o f a few females. >> they call it the family photo. you see president trump on the end on the left. >> are they ordered in any specific way. do we know anything about the ordering of the countries? how it goes. anybody got anything on that? sanger, brownstein? >> usually, the ones that i have covered in the past, and tony has been to more of these than i have, but they do it frequently by height, the way you would order other photographs, so you don't end up blocking some leader that doesn't show up in the g-20 family photo.
>> muscle him out of the way. >> but look, you have the size of the screen, you actually can't see -- i think just on the end there, you have them. but there you have president trump on the end -- >> is he talking to macron here. >> of france, exactly. and now they're walking off the stage, as we keep looking at these live photos from hamburg, germany. ron brownstein, to you, we're about to, we hear, get the image of the handshake between president trump and president putin. and optics matter a lot, right? they don't matter like substance, but they are what get people talking. there's that famous photo of president obama with president putin. there you go! there you go! >> let's take a moment to look. all right. ron brownstein -- >> somewhere, allison camarata is begging for a body language expert. >> he gave him the shake and the underpat. >> look, you know -- >> ron brownstein? your thoughts? >> well, as i said before, i
think of all -- there are so many things that are unique about president trump, but i think one thing that is typical about him is this enormous belief in the ability of a personal relationship to cut through the entrenched disagreements between nations. we saw this with xi jinping, when he had the, what he thought was a very successful personal bond at mar-a-lago, and here we are, a few weeks, months later, and he's expressing frustration that that encounter did not change years of underlying chinese views about the proper way to handle north korea. and did not lead they will further in the direction that we hoped they would take. and i think we are heading inexorably for the same thing with slpt, where president trump said during the campaign, it would be an asset for us if i have a good relationship with him. that we can, you know, he will respect me, more than he did president obama. and therefore, they will move in the direction that we want. and i think what we are going to see, whatever happens today in
this meeting, there are underlying conflicts of interest between our visions of the world, that russia has chosen a role of a disrupter of the global order. and is systemically working in all sorts of different ways to unmoor the western alliance from both ends of the atlantic. and that is not likely to change, however, you know, whatever the quality of the hand shauk sheik or the quality of the conversation, those underlying conflicts of intere s will endu >> she was asked interestingly yesterday, does she see herself as the moderator between president trump and president putin in these key meetings and she didn't he has day before saying, absolutely not. that is not my role. i'm here to negotiate for what is best for the world community. what about the preparation? because if we know one thing, you see gary cohn, one of the president's chief advisers there with the president right now, what we know is that vladimir putin prepares very -- extensively for these meetings,
and prepares in a different way than we're hearing president trump prepare. >> that's exactly right. putin is a master of his brief in every single meeting. tremendous preparation, tremendous mastery of the facts or at least the facts as he sees them. and there's some concern that the president hasn't had the same focus. and we've heard from the white house that there isn't a set agenda. that's a little hard to believe. but here's another thing. the folks in the room, on our side, the president, secretary tillerson, they've got combined about 12 months of government experience. the russian side, vladimir putin,er sergey lavrov, about years of government experience. there's a little bit of a mismatch here. >> but i can actually be of some help here this morning. donald trump is good in a meeting. he has been around a lot of very powerful people. he is not cowed by power. having that arrogance about you sometimes is helpful. he has that. he is very good at staying on point in meetings with people and understanding things.
he is very different than the president you have all come to know in terms of how he deals with the media and resistance. i'm saying, in meetings. i'm not saying it's a given he's going to be that way, but to dismiss the president's ability to step up in a situation like this, ron brownstein, might be a gross underestimate of his potential. >> yeah, no, look. we have no idea what the personal interaction will be. and having not had a meeting with president trump of the kind you're describing, i have no reason to question your analysis. i do think, as tony said before, part of the problem he faces going in here is he has painted himself into a corner. what we saw from james comey and his testimony, in some ways, the most memorable moment was russia will be back. there has nothing that happened in the u.s. in 2017 that would cause them to view their intervention in 2016 as anything but achieving their goals, and at the least, sewing disunity.
it is important from a national security point of view not only for the u.s., but for other nations, that they receive a forceful message that this is not okay. and the president, as tony blinken said, has made that tougher on himself, by conflating the question of whether russia interfered at all with whether his campaign concluded with that interference. so is he capable of pushing back on that? we don't know, based on whatever his personal qualities in a meeting, has he painted himself into a corner where he makes it difficult to do that. he has certainly diminished his credibility. >> the kremlin grabbed control of the narrative the last time his officials met with the president. that is, ambassador kislyak in the oval office, no u.s. media was allowed inside. russian media was, that picture taken of them smiling together, shaking hands was then subsequently leaked, something the administration was not happy with. you have sergey lavrov there,
the foreign minister with president trump, also the ambassador kislyak in the oval office. how does the white house grab control of the narrative on this one? because both the kremlin and the white house will give these readouts. how does the white house get in front on that one? >> the first thing they're probably going to do is bring secretary tillerson, who was the only other one in the room or will be the only other one in the room out to go do that briefing. but the russians will be briefing, as well. i think one of the big issues that we come into this meeting with is, does president trump want to go portray himself as having a friendly, i can do business with this guy, we're going to be buddies, kind of relationship, or does he want to come out and make it clear that he has been tough? and there is a way on the cyber side of this to do that without dwelling too much on the election, which is, to dwell on the cyber activities that the russians are engaged in now. and both ron and tony made some reference to that.
the russians are doing a lot around the world. and the president could lay out what the cost of that will be. so far, we haven't seen any evidence of any u.s. pushback on that or the russian military activity, as well, around europe. so the president as a negotiator knows he needs leverage and he'll have to figure out a way to get some here. right now, he doesn't have that. and there's a lot more for them to do in this meeting. the russians are in violation of an intermediate nuclear forces agreement. the president will have to decide whether to say, look, if you continue along that route, we're going to deploy something similar or maub puybe pull out that agreement. on syria, the president already seems to have signaled that they're seating a larger russian role in syria. they'll have to figure out a way around that. they're about to go announce the appointment of a new special representative on ukraine issues. the russians are looking, of course, for the lifting of sanctions, something that 97-2,
congress voted against the other day, the senate voted against the other day. so the president has got to know, he doesn't have his own republican party with him if he thinks he's going to get sanctions lifted. >> all right. thank you, all, very much. as we look at these live pictures, as this meeting of the g-20 is getting underway in hamburg. we saw the hand shake. the main vet, president trump's big femeeting with president pun a few hours away. we don't know if he will bring up russia's election meddling. senate democrats are demanding it, writing a letter to the president. but do they think it's going to happen, though? we'll ask senator blumenthal, next. the es and es hybrid. experience amazing. for my chronic back painescribed
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go irish! see that? yes! i'm gonna just go back to doing what i was doing. find your awesome with the xfinity x1 voice remote. will you once and for all, yes or no, definitively say that russia interfered in the 2016 election? >> well, i think it was russia and i think it could have been other people and other countries. it could have been a lot of people interfered. >> that was president trump yesterday, hedging on reduction's involvement, meddling in the 2016 election. those comments coming right before his high-stakes meeting today with russian president vladimir putin. it begins in just over two hours. the big question, will he even bring up election meddling with
putin? joining us now, democratic senator, richard blumenthal of connecticut. it's nice to have you here, and i understand, in the green room, you saw, as we saw for the first time, the handshake between the two men. what would satisfy you to come from president trump in this meeting with vladimir putin? >> what president trump has to do is leave no doubt in putin's mind that he knows and he accepts the unanimous findings of the intelligence agencies that, in fact, russia interfered ho in our election and that russia will pay a price for it. and an even higher price in the future. there's a sanctions bill that passed the senate overwhelmingly with bipartisan support -- >> 98-2. >> 98-2. it's now in the house and it's stalled there, largely because of tacit resistance from the trump administration. so, president trump has to tell putin, who is an adversary, not an ally, that russia will pay a price if he repeats this kind of
meddling in our election. >> i'm sure you heard what president trump said yesterday in that press conference in front of our viewers. here's what president trump said yesterday, point the finger at his predecessor, president obama, on russia. watch. >> the thing i have to mention is that barack obama, when he was president, found out about this, in terms of if it were russia, found out about it in august. now, the election was in november. that's a lot of time. he did nothing about it. they say he choked. well, i don't think he choked. i think what happened is, he thought hillary clinton was going to win the election, and he said, let's not do anything about it. had he thought the other way, he would have done something about it. >> he's referring to that "washington post" reporting from a few weeks ago, one of the obama administration officials saying, senator, that they felt like their own team choked on this one. some of your fellow democrats, like adam schiff, the ranking democrat on the house intel
committee, agree, to an extent and say, look, the obama administration should have done more, should have said more. are you in their camp or do you disagree with the president? >> i agree that the obama administration could have done more and sooner. >> should they have? should they have? >> they should have in retrospect. remember, this attack was unprecedented in its scope and scale. never before has our democracy been attacked in this concerted, concentrated way by a foreign power, and russia really attacked the united states. it was, in my view, an act of war that should have prompted a quicker, more aggressive response. but let's accept that argument. is that a reason to do nothing now? donald trump seems to think, well, we should back away from any action to make russia pay a price now. in fact, it's an argument for making them pay an even steeper price now to deter them for repeating it in the future. and it will be a sad day for
democracy if donald trump conducts business as usual with this kgb thug who's determined to undermine us at every turn, whether it's syria, ukraine, the imf treaty, which is he is violating with kbub impunity. >> he did call out russia, specifically on ukraine. this may be an indicator of how he is going to head into this meeting. new cnn reporting that russian spies during the united states are ramping up their efforts, largely because they don't feel like they've been deterred at all by the obama administration or the trump administration. now, a key part of that is that the state department keeps handing out a number of these temporary visas, even to these suspected russian intelligence officers. does that concern you? >> it does, very much so. i'm very concerned that these visas are continuing to be made available in light of what we know about what these operatives are doing here. and in fact, that the united
states is now apparently in goe negotiations with the russians. the under secretary of state met with the russian ambassador just days ago to possibly return the two compounds to the russians in maryland and new york. so it seems to be business as usual. and what the president has said in poland was actually deeply troubling, because he said, it could have been the russians, but it could have been a lot of other countries. >> which former director of national intelligence, james clapper, struck down, being head of all of the intelligence agencies, at the time, struck down yesterday on "the situation room." the top watchdog for the government, walter schaub, who's been incredibly critical of the trump administration, has resigned. and stepped down from his post at the head of office of government ethics and he put out a very civil statement saying more needs to be done, i'm moving on, et cetera. nancy pelosi, though, your fellow democrat says that this blows a serious blow to the integrity of our government, to
not have him there. do you see it that way? >> i think it's a loss, because he's a good and decent man who was determined, as a career civil servant, to uncover conflicts of interest and to insist on enforcement of law. and now the trump administration may well simply leave a placeholder there, without sufficient enforcement -- >> well, the white house says they're looking at someone to nominate as a senator who will be part of the confirmation process. they will have to be confirmed by the senate. are you saying you're very concerned about whom the white house may put forward? >> i'm deeply concerned, because the trump administration has resisted schaub, who ran the office of government ethics, and i'm also determined that we're going to pursue a legal action we've begun. 200 members of kocongress, aski that the courts tell the president, he must obey the constitution, because of his financial dealings with foreign
powers. and the question arises, going back to russia, whether his apparent receptiveness to putin is the result of his ego being involved or possible financial dealings. and we believe that ethics require and the constitution mandates that he disclose any of these financial dealings. >> thank you very much, senator blumenthal, nice to have you here. we appreciate it. chris? >> poppy, good conversation to have. so no question the president is criticizing u.s. intelligence again, but this time he's doing it on the world stage. does that hurt the credibility of our intel agencies? how do they take it? we're going to get you some good insight from a former member of the house and senate intel committees, next.
president trump is going to sit down with russian president vladimir putin in just a couple of hours at the g-20 summit. when asked about russian election interference yesterday, the president said it could be russia, could be others, but no one really knows. that would apparently contradict what the intel agenciieies have
been putting out. james clapper had a very different thought on the reality. here's his take. >> there's absolutely no doubt about it. and the high confidence levels, the multiple sources of information we had and its high fidelity still leave me very convinced of the voracity of that report. and as far as others doing this, boy, that's news to me. we saw no evidence whatsoever there was anyone involved in this other than the russians. >> let's discuss with veteran georgia republican, senator saxby chapmbliss. he served on both the house and intel committees during his 20-year career on capitol hill. good to have you with us, sir. >> thanks, chris, good to be with you. >> so from what you've understand, what you've read, what you've been told, was it the russians that meddled during this election or was it them and somebody else? >> well, clearly, it was the russians. i'm not sure exactly what the president was talking about, but i agree with general clapper that we know the russians
attempted to, at least attempted to interfere with the election. now, the interesting thing, chris, is that we keep talking about what the president ought to say to putin. you know, there are a couple of other folks that ought to be in that room, too, not necessarily with him, but talking to putin about election interference and that's the president of france as well as chancellor merkel. they've got exactly the same scenario ongoing that we saw in our elections and president needs to be called out by this in a very public way by all members of the g-20 that he tried to influence their elections. >> but it doesn't help them if the president of the united states is saying he's not sure about it. and look, we've all speculated, why would the president do this? why would he deny intel? he often will put his arms around intelligence when he likes what it is. so it can't be that he really disbelieves the intel community like he suggested he did during the campaign. and if it is this idea, this nagging notion the president has
that every time russian interference comes up that somehow delegitimatizes his win, which i don't know anyone would make that argument, it's not a constructive argument, but he just said it yesterday on the world stage he doesn't buy the idea it was just russia, how damaging is that to policy with russia? >> i think what would correct that particular position would be taking a hard stance with president putin himself. and like everybody else has said this morning, i think it's imperative that the election be a part of the equation. he's got a whole laundry list of folks that he needs to talk to the russian president about, from elections to syria to the interference with our aircraft flying or our ships sailing. there are any number of things that this president of russia has done to really test the previous administration, as well as this administration. but without question, he needs to look putin in the eye and
say, look, you know, i know what you did, i know what the facts are, and it's time for this to be brought out into the open and for you to put a stop to it. >> but how do you think that conversation goes given the space that the american president has given putin on this issue? couldn't he easily say, well, i don't have to tell you, mr. president, but you guys have this wrong, we weren't doing anything different than what we've always done, the same thing you do and a lot of other state actors do. this is a nonevent. you don't have any proof that we did anything that's any different than what you do in our elections? >> and he may very well be right about that. because, let's face it, we're a world power, too, that conducts intelligence operations around to world. so what the russians did is not something they just started. we've been monitoring their attempt to interfere with u.s. elections for years and years. but the president can be very
direct and very clear and have proof in writing before president putin, if he so chooses, that here's what we know and there's no way you can deny this. and frankly, i'm one of those who hopes he's very strong on that issue. however, it's not the only issue that he needs to throw up in putin's face. >> what are your top three? >> well, i would say, certainly, syria is at the top of that list. >> and that's probably going to be on the top of putin's list, also, right? he's looking for some help in syria, is he not? >> yeah, we let him let putin back on the international stage when president obama drew the red line and then failed to take action and he allowed this guy who had kind of fallen off the stage back in the spotlight. so, yeah, i think it's going to be at the top of putin's list, because syria is a quagmire. both for the russians, as well as for us. so, i don't think it's a matter of us needing help as much as he
needs a way out over there, too, because it doesn't appear to be one right now. so, sure, that's at the top of his list. you think the other issue is in my mind is the elections, but there's another issue that's kind of collateral to the election issue, that's just as important. and that's the issue of russians interfering in the area of cybersecurity. they are very professional at it. they're very good at masking things that they do from time to time, in the world of cybersecurity. we know what they do from time to time. so you think that's going to be another key issue that they're going to have to talk about it. >> it will be interesting to see how these come out and what kind of spin there is coming out of this meeting. high stakes, that's for sure. senator saxby chambliss, always a pleasure. thanks for being on the show. >> thanks, chris. good to be with you. if you can believe it, a possible health care compromise. maybe. could the gop actually be reaching across the aisle? majority leader mitch mcconnell
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work across the aisle and draft a more modest plan. mcconnell had suggested that would be a last resort. now he's saying no action on health care, no longer an option. parents and those paying their way through college, listen up. education secretary betsey devos is forcing a court challenge over her decision to delay an obama-era rule to protect student borrowers. this rule clarifies the loan forgiveness process for students who have been defrauded or misled by their colleges. this happens more than you might think. now, devos says the delay is just to improve the rule, but this lawsuit filed by 18 states and the district of columbia accuses devos of siding with for-profit schools over students and families who are drowning in debt. we will stay on that story. so the governor of maine is once again raising eyebrows by suggesting that he invents stories to mislead the media. in a radio interview, governor lepage says he loves to sit in his office and make things up so reporters will write, quote,
stupid stories. he also claims the sooner the print press goes away, the better off society will be. a newly discovered photograph has people buzzing about an 80-year-old mystery. the disappearance of amelia earhart. she vanished while trying to become the first female pilot to fly around the world, but the history channel investigators say the photographic evidence they found suggests that earhart and her navigator survived their final flight after crash landing in the pacific. cnn's jeanne moos has more. >> reporter: whether you low-key it -- >> there is a new clue. >> reporter: or hype it. >> it will blow the lid off the whole amelia earhart story. >> reporter: this 80-year-old mystery never gets old. amelia mania is back, as the history channel presents new evidence for an old theory. >> she may have been held prisoner by the japanese. >> backed up by a photo that purports to show amelia earhart alive, sitting on a pacific island jetty in 1937. and this may or may not be her
navigator, fred noonan, according to a facial recognition expert -- >> the hairline is the most distinctive characteristic. >> are you kidding me?! that's fred noonan. >> reporter: and is that ill-defined blob really the plane being towed by a japanese ship? the theory is earhart crash landed, was picked up by the japanese and imprisoned until her death. even cher was intrigued. okay, no more politics. how about finding amelia earhart. and singer josh groban confessed, this has given my chills. but the naysayers say nay. could be anyone. no face to see, black and white and grainy. i want, but i don't see it. as if the latest photo weren't already questionable enough, internet posters couldn't resist embellishing it. >> photoshopping in a flying saucer, jfk's assassin, and bigfoot. even chris christie in a beach chair has landed on the jetty. >> the world has wondered.
>> did she crash into the ocean or was she a castaway. short wave radio operators say they picked up distress calls. >> i recognize that voice. >> one place we know you can find earhart's plane is on itunes. you can download this romantic comedy starring clark gable and joan crawford and guest starring amelia's actual plane. the 1936 movie came out before this lockheed electric disappeared. "love on the run," it's called. seems we never run out of love for the mystery of where earhart's plane ended up. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> so? what camp you in? >> i don't -- i don't see it. >> you mean, you couldn't see her face with her back turned? >> right. that's always a little unhelpful in the analysis, but it would be great to know, boy. people love a mystery. >> i want to believe it. >> all right. president trump is back on the world stage. so, how will the global leaders
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odds with most european leaders. how will his america first policy play on the world stage? who better to discuss than fareed zakaria, host of "fareed zakaria gps." he set out the overarching theme which is pretty interesting because it's shaping an interconnected world. that in the face of america first. what do you see? >> merkel's view which represents really the vast majority of the leaders present is the globalization is a win-win. that it raises living standards and trade and as a result, it's something we should all embrace. trump's view very decidedly, and this is really from the start of his public career 30 years ago, has been that trade is a win/lose. that somebody is winning and somebody is losing. his view is america has been losing and so what's most interesting about what's happened in the last day or two is that the europeans are taking, you know, continuing their view and essentially bypassing the united states. they have signed this huge trade
deal with japan. it's 30% of the world economy. and the japanese are clearly saying, well, if the americans won't do tpp, won't do the trans-pacific partnership, we'll find other sources. what's happening is the rest of the world is entering a post-american world where they're trying to figure out what it would mean for them to prosper, thrive and survive without the united states. this is the first major expansion of global trade since 1945 that the united states has not believed to be shaping the agenda, setting the rules. when you don't write the rules it means your interests aren't being taken care of. >> what's the trump perspective on that? that he'll be able to cut his own deals n that will be more to the advantage of the united states so this is a good position to be as opposed to being grouped together with everybody else in this deal. >> trump's view is we should do bilateral deals, one on one. the problem is you don't get as much. people are willing to take an
example, the trans-pacific partnership. the reason japan -- so the trans-pacific partnership opened up the japanese market really for the first time in 30 years. why did japan make all those concessions? yes, they wanted access to the u.s. market, but they kind of had access. it opened up a whole bunch of other markets. it's 40% of the world's economy, the trans-pacific partnership. a lot of countries are saying we'll make exceptions if we can trade with this very large trading bloc. the u.s. is a large market. it's not the large nest the world. the european uniunion is the largest in the world. we live in an interconnected world and the u.s. is not any more the central, dominating force there. it's big but the eu is big, china is big, and you all have to play with each other. >> both looking more and more prescient now, the post-american world. you can see that you never saw it accelerating as fast as it has. >> i never thought i would see the united states abdicate,
almost resign from its position as leader of the world. what i was talking about is how countries like china were growing in power and influence, india and brazil and they wanted a larger say in the world. the g20 is a perfect example of that. >> not a willing abdication? >> we're seeing others not stepping up, but the u.s. stepping back. >> there's a method to stepping back. you have to give voice to that. he believes he's going to get better deals on a one on one basis that america winds up getting a lot, giving little back and a lot of these other countries piggyback on their own market. so by undoing it, you'll get collective opportunities but the president doesn't believe there's a lot of fruit there. when many are involved, there's not as much advantage as if we just cut individual deals. how much truth can there be to that? >> look. theoretically, you can always make that case but practically, you talk to any trade minister, anyone in the world and say, who do the rules of trade favor?
and they'll say, who do you think? the country that sets the agenda, writes the rules, had for most of the last 70 years the largest market in the world. of course it was the united states. from anybody else's perspective, the u.s. is the 800-pound g gorilla that's demanded concessions. >> it does hurt a certain segment of american workers and hurts them. the thing is it helps everybody a little. so we all get a big tax cut, really, because we have cheaper costs for clothing, for food, for everything. they call it the walmart effect. why does it happen? because walmart is sourcing stuff from china which is much cheaper. but the cost -- so that's the benefit. 340 million americans get this tax cut. but the costs of globalization are narrow. one steel town goes out of business. and our politics responds much
more to that intense pain that one town or one community feels rather than the broadly shaped benefits. every time we walk into walmart and have a lower bill we don't say thank you world trade organization. thank you, china. >> if you are someone in that steel town who has lost your livelihood than if we're paying a little more for our products. that's the argument the trump administration is making. we have to go to a new topic. make the case. >> people think north korea is crazy, can't be negotiated or deterred. what i point out is, what's their principal goal? regime survival. they've gone from father to son to grandson keeping the regime intact for 70 years. they've outlasted the soviet union. they've outlasted every -- these arab dictatorships that crumble. they've outlasted the orange revolution. how many regimes have gone father to son to grandson and
stayed completely intact? why? because they're very rational. they know how to deter. they know, you know, for example, that even for south korea, the cost of the chaos of a war is much greater than tolerating north korea's nuclear weapons. they know for the chinese, the prospect of unified career with american troops and treaty relationship with america is much worse than a north korea with nuclear weapons. so they're playing this game much more shrewdly and much more rationally than we realize. and as a result, we've got to ask yourself, for example, they are doing all this to preserve themselves. nuclear weapons are the ultimate insurance policy. the more you threaten them, the more insurance they're going to buy. maybe there's another path. maybe we've got to ask, what is it that will make them more secure. and are there ways we can get that? it's somewhat similar to the iranian situation where we kept saying these guys are mad, they'll never negotiate. well, guess what.
they may be unusual, but they all want one thing. regime survival. and they're very rational in how they want to achieve that. >> as chris noted, senator ed markey who is saying look, negotiate, negotiate, sit down. >> negotiating is not a concession. a concession is a concession. talking is not a concession. we're following a lot of news. in just moments, we'll talk to lawmakers on both sides about president trump's highly anticipated meeting with vladimir putin. let's get try to it. president trump gearing up for his first high-stakes meet with russian president vladimir putin. >> he needs to go in with a list of demands. russia should be making concessions to the u.s., not the other way around. >> anything that makes trump look a little weak makes putin look stronger. >> i think it could very well have been russia, but i think it could well have been other countries. >> russia definitely did try to influence. >> no doubt about it.
>> russian spies are ramping up their intelligence gathering efforts in the united states. >> i'm not surprised the russians feel as if the cold war is back on. >> safe to say now that president trump is an enabler of russia's interference. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day." friday, july 7th. 8:00 in the east. alisyn is off. poppy harlow by my side. the big stakes showdown at the g20 showdown happening soon. in less than two hours, the two men on your screen, the big bilateral meeting between the president of the united states and the leader of russia. what will be on the agenda? that will be the posture? big question from the american perspective is will russia's meddling in, the leelection be addressed? >> sources tell cnn that since the election, russian spies have step upped