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supposed to. >> by the way, you should be trained, all of us should, if you have young children. that's what you're supposed to do. don't worry about breathing into the airway anymore. medics raced to the man. got him to the hospital. a few days later the man's family stopped by the restaurant with a picture to thank austin. austin says he was happy to save a life. >> look at that. you all hope you'll act like that in the moment. >> what's the key? not only do you have to have the gumption to get in there to help. you have to know what to do. that's why that cpr training very good. >> cpr training that john berman does, and he'll take it from here. >> i do. i have both gumption and training. a lot of news. let's jump right into it. this is cnn breaking news. >> all right. hello. i'm john berman. i want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world. we are just minutes away from one of the most anticipated meetings of the year and one of the most analyzed moments of
donald trump's presidency. mr. trump and vladimir putin about to sit down for their first official meeting. at stake, armed conflicts in syria, ukraine, trade in europe and asia, domestic politics and questions about past, present and future espionage. all that in a simple question of whether the two men will get along. they already shared a brief handshake. an arm grab right there. a simple pat on the back. a brief grin. that's on the sidelines of the g20 summit in germany. a short time ago they assembled for this, their class photo. president trump there on the bottom left. angela merkel, the moshost, rig in the center wearing red. while we wait to see what happens between trump and putin, outside, this is what it looks like. protesters clashing with police. so far, more than 150 law enforcement officials have been injured. plus, we have new cnn reporting. u.s. intelligence officials say russia has stepped up spying
efforts in the u.s. we're covering all of this with our team of reporters. yes, i want to begin with white house correspondent sara murray. live at the g20 in germany. anticipating the meeting with vladimir putin and already some other news this morning. >> well, that's right, john. you saw their initial meet and greet there. but the formal bilateral meeting comes later. and it will be highly scrutinized. not just sort of the body language, sort of the attitudes but also anything that they say publicly. there are still questions about whether president trump will bring up russia's meddling in the 2016 election. other topics are the challenging situation in north korea, as well as russia's aggression in ukraine as well as in syria. now this is going to be a relatively short meeting. only about 30 minutes. and it's going to be an intimate one. we'll see president trump, president put on there, as well as their translatotranslators. but other than that, a small group. rex tillerson who has a
longstanding relationship with putin and russian foreign minister sergey lavrov. trump's advisers have said there's no set agenda for this meeting. only a couple of those pages were dedicated to what was going to happen in this meeting with putin. until then, there's plenty of other business going on at the g20. president trump just met with the mexican president pena nieto. and he was asked whether he still wants mexico to pay for the wall. trump said absolutely. back to you guys. >> that is something he's been reluctant or resistant to say during his time in office. he still says he wants to build the wall but he's backed off saying mexico is going to pay for it because he's been trying to improve relations with mexico since he was inaugurated. interesting to see that video. we'll play it when we get it. vladimir putin now is known to prepare extensively for the kinds of meetings he's about to have with president trump.
as for the president, he's new at this. his new advisers admit he can be unpredictable. nic robertson live in hamburg, germany. what does russia want out of this meeting? >> well, one of the things they want to do is to come out of it having president putin looking strong. they'd like to feel that he is resonating with some of the other g20 leaders here. and to that point, the kremlin has already been positioning president putin this morning on that. they say they've got a full briefing on everything president trump's talked about in warsaw yesterday. they also say that they are essentially on the same page as the germans and many other leaders on globalization. that's a view that wants to have the bosses and the workers, the view that also says the belief is that president trump believes there should be, you know, winners and losers in that equation. that's how they see that. that aligns with the germans and many europeans. on protectionism, this is
something the united states has been criticized by many countries for at the moment. putin's positioning himself against protectionism. on climate change, he's positioning himself again with the majority here. he says all the g20 some come together to fight terrorism. well, they might find some resonance on that. on all those other issues it sounds like the kremlin is trying to put a very, very positive spin on president putin going into this meeting because on the issues of ukraine, syria, iran, for example, north korea, there's clearly not going to be a meeting of the minds and perhaps for putin at least, he's an outlier on those issues to the rest of the g20. they're trying to make him look like a more central player before he goes into this meeting with president trump. >> there are protests at just about every international gathering like this. these turn violent. what is the latest there? >> the very latest we have from the hamburg police is that
they've put out a call to other police units across germany for reinforcements. they're trying to get more police to come in and support the effort here. there are a lot of police on the street. quite normal in germany and other countries in europe to see big protests. this is not big compared to what the organizers here at the g20 have said. there was an understanding there could be as many as 100,000 people over the three days. last night just saw 12,000. but the tactics that the protesters have taken today is to split into small groups to try to block the roads the g20 leaders are going down. police are reporting in the last hour, for example, a car close to here smashed up. police close to here hit with iron bars again in the suburbs of the city. an area, barricades put in the road and they were advising motorists to stay away from the area. it's a very dynamic situation for that protest but different tactics today. protesters splitting up into
smaller groups. >> nic robertson in hamburg. keep an eye on the streets and those protests. president trump ready to meet with russia's leader vladimir putin in just a few minutes, later this hour, cnn has new reporting about concern within the u.s. intelligence community about stepped up efforts of russian spying here in the united states. shimon reported this story along with evan perez. what have you learned? >> russian spies are ramping up their intelligence gathering efforts in the u.s. according to current and former u.s. intelligence officials who say they have noticed an increase since the election. the russians have not been slowed by retaliatory efforts after it meddled in the u.s. election according to the u.s. intelligence community. officials say they've been replenishing their ranks since the u.s. expelled 35 russian diplomats suspected of spying last december. in some cases, russian spies have tried to gain employment at places with sensitive information. the fbi would not comment for the story. the russian embassy didn't
respond to a request for comment, john. >> if u.s. intelligence knows or believes there are more russian agents here in the united states and more active than before, why aren't they trying to stop it? >> well, you know, even after the meddling in the 2016 u.s. elections, both the obama and trump administrations have been slow to take measures to respond to the intelligence threat, according to current and former u.s. officials. partisan political disagreements over the russian activity and president donald trump's reluctance to accept intelligence conclusions about russia's meddling in the election has slowed efforts to counter the threat. another issue here is there's an ongoing frustration with the state department over granting of visas to people the u.s. intelligence suspect are intelligence officers. a state department official would not comment specifically on it. the counterintelligence program, folks in that squad are keeping an eye on some of this activity. >> shimon, thank you so much for
that reporting. appreciate it. joining me, fareed zakaria. we're minutes away from this meeting we've been waiting for, in some ways for months now between president trump and vladimir putin. we have this report about stepped up russian spying. that's just one facet of it. how high are the stakes for this meeting? >> fairly high in the sense that it's the first meeting, and a lot does get determined by how the measure each man takes of the other. if you think about the famous meeting between john f. kennedy and khrushchev in vienna, it was, i think. khrushchev took the measure of kennedy and thought he was weak. and that, in some ways, precipitated a series of crises in berlin and the cuban missile crisis. so you can sometimes end up with more serious kind of diplomatic problems if either side perceives the other as weak. i think a lot of bad things can
happen from that kind of thing. it's difficult to imagine any particularly good outcome, only because when nations achieve some kind of diplomatic success, it's over a long time and there's a period of negotiation. and then there's a capstone meeting. for the first meeting, you're trying to protect the down side. make sure nobody massively misreads the other. >> talking is what you want between world leaders of all kinds. adversaries and allies. fascinating to watch. the pictures of the first handshake. it looked perfectly cordial. there have also been very interesting pictures throughout the morning as these world leaders greet. it's interesting to watch these leaders from around the world interact with each other. vladimir putin, for instance, has been going to these meetings for a long, long time. he's speaking to angela merkel. he speaks fluent german. these two are speaking very much like they know each other. you see vladimir putin, an hour and a half before meet with
president trump, in command of the room here. when i was watching this, it seemed to be, here's a guy who knows what he's doing and what image this sends to the world. >> by the way, he speaks fluent german. she, angela merkel, speaks russian because as an east german, they were forced to learn russian. she doesn't like to speak it because it reminds her essentially of russia and soviet imperialism. that's why they speak german. but you're right. he's completely comfortable in this world. he also is a man very well prepared. if you ever meet putin, what is striking is how well briefed he is, completely in command of the facts he is. you have a feeling he games out these meetings well in advance. trump on the other hand is an impresario. he improvises and freelances. that will be an interesting dynamic to see how those leaders with very different negotiating styles match up. >> we saw president trump during
the class photo next to emmanuel macron for a brief bit. also a picture of him earlier in the day speaking to emmanuel macron. it was almost as if the two men sought out each other. and to me, that was particularly interesting because there were clear policy differences that macron, especially, has enunciated between the two men. they had that bizarre handshake a couple months ago where macron was intent on showing how firmly he can grip the president's hands. they look friendly, cordial. president trump in some ways not known to hold grudges and is perfectly willing to interact like this even with people who crossed him. >> president trump is a charismatic president. he is -- that's one of the reasons he was a good dealmaker and always able to sell things. he's very -- i don't know if warm is the word but he's comfortable around people. he's a people person. it doesn't surprise me that he's able at a person level, and part
of it is i think many of us believe that some of the political positions he takes don't stem out of deep conviction. he thinks this is what the public wants to hear. and so it's not surprising that he can be quite flexible in dealing with people with whom he disagrees. by the way, that's been true in the past. people forget that ronald reagan was able to get on with european leaders who were much more left wing than he was because they found common interests and common threats. the soviet union, for example. >> one of the big questions going into this meeting, will president trump bring up the issue of russian meddling in the election? it's much more likely than a lot of other people do. what do you think vladimir putin, or how might he respond, if at all if and when president trump brings it up? >> we do know that when president obama brought tup, he dismissed it out of hand. he essentially denied it was happening and dismissed it. putin has done something very interesting over the last few
months, which is he has sort of signaled that, yes, it might have happened. he said, what can we do if patriotic russians decide to take matterses into their own hands and try to help russia, which is interesting because it's suggesting that helping trump win would help russia. so he may have a slightly different position. i think putin with these kinds of things with the cyberwar and hybrid war that he calls it and he did that in ukraine, likes to have it both ways. he wants you to know he can mess with you but wants to also maintain plausible deniability. and it will be interesting whether he decides to do anything like that with trump which is not to entirely deny it but not accept it either. >> we're minutes away from that meeting happening. we'll be watching for many more things. some of the policies and actual matterses they discuss. fareed, thank you. we have some breaking news here in the united states. the labor department released the june jobs report moments ago. and it beat expectations by
quite a bit. our chief business correspondent christine romans here with me as well as neil irwin from "the new york times." first all of, romans, the numbers. >> 222,000 net new jobs. and the prior two months were revised higher as well. that shows a late spring, early summer with what we're calling at cnn money robust growth in the labor market. so it looks pretty strong for that. you see the numbers there. the unemployment rate, the chart shows a definite, definite trend here of decreasing unemployment rates. month over month, it ticked up a little bit to 4.4% but it's still very near the lowest we have seen since 2001. and the reason it ticked up, john, it's important to note because some 300,000, 350,000 people came off the sidelines, came out of the shadows and started looking for a job again. that shows they are hearing from friends and family, they are reading about strength in the labor market. they are coming back and trying
to look for work again after dropping out of the employment market. let me show you where there were good job gains. in manufacturing, about 1,000 gains there. food, bars and restaurants, that shows strength of the consumer. these places have to hire more people to serve them. also business information systems. those tend to be, you know, higher paid jobs, office jobs, information technology jobs, lawyers, architects, stuff like that. those jobs up 35,000. when i look at the overall growth rate, i can tell you it's robust. that's the worried we're using. not quite as strong as it was the same months in 2016 and 2015. in 2015, february to june, we created a million jobs. still a strong labor market but not quite that blistering pace we saw the last few years. >> really very much in the ballpark where we've seen the last two years. an extension of what we've seen. nearly irwin, you picked up on that. you think that's a signal
perhaps there may be more room to grow here. >> yeah, i think so. what we saw, not only did the unemployment rate rise, we saw this robust job growth. you wouldn't think there would be the people throughout to fill them. the fact people are coming off the sidelines and saying, maybe i do want a job. that's a good sign there's room for this job market to grow that maybe the fed shouldn't be putting on the brakes. maybe we should expect better things out of the next few months? >> better wages? because wages is the one thing that just hasn't seem to be affected by any of this. >> that's a baste disappointment. average hourly earnings are only up about 2.5%. you'd expect if we were in a really tight labor market, employers would get in bidding wars for employees. raises would be higher for worksers. they're not. that's another sign that maybe there is more room to grow, that maybe as we start to see more people coming into the labor force that maybe it is higher
wages that pull them in and we are not seeing that just yet. >> 25 million jobs over the next ten years, christine romans. that's what the president has promised. are we on track for that? >> if he can do 222,000 every month, yeah. you need about 208,000 to do that every month. it's never so consistent. when you just look at that chart, you can see we had 50,000 jobs created in a month earlier this spring. a little bit of a pullback there. that was march. but at 208 on average you could get to that 25 million. the president's economic team is promising that it's tax reform and health care reform and all of its reduction in regulations is going to explode the economy. 3% economic growth. 4% economic growth. the president has even said 5% economic growth. but the concern among economists is that do we have the workers to drive that? clearly there's still workers on the sidelines who can come into the labor market, but can you do
that kind of growth with the labor market we have today? many worry you can't. >> one final point. a very good jobs report. one the president will no doubt tout. it's the exact kind of jobs report he did not believe or bashed at the end of the obama administration. so just keep both of those things in mind. they are both, in fact, true. thanks for being with us. so we've seen the first handshake, back pat and even an arm grab. we've seen it all. the real question is, how will president trump and russian leader vladimir putin get along behind closed doors? will president trump confront him over russian election meddling? plus, some of the tactics vladimir putin uses at these big meetings. bring your dog to a meeting inih someone afraid of dogs. making them wait for hours in some cases. will he try some type of intimidation today?
we'll get answers to these questions very, very shortly. with me steve hall, retired cia chief of operations in russia. david sanger, cnn political and national security analyst and heather conley, former u.s. deputy assistant secretary of state. steve, i want to start with you here. one of the things we know about vladimir putin, at least we've been told, is he responds to strength. he responds to confidence. if that is, in fact, the case, should donald trump, the president of the united states, bring up the idea of russian election meddling? >> i believe he should. i believe he should be as strong as possible because i think the biggest mistake and the thing that concerns me is going in with a very western perspective. it sounds sensible to say let's find areas we can agree on. areas we can cooperate on. and the problem is that's not the way the russians see it. what needs to be done is, yes, the election meddle, needs to be raised. the annexation of another country needs to be raised. the supporting of basically a civil war in the eastern part of ukraine, the shooting down of
civilian airliners, all those things need to be discussed and a line drawn. we need further conversation really about what the russians want to talk about, say, the lifting of sanctions, can be discussed. you need to be strong with the russians going in or they'll see this as a tipcally western approach. we don't have to worry about the bad international behavior russia has been participating in over the years. >> you say these meetings will be a tale of two very different visions of the future. >> so the g20 represents two visions. angela merkel, prime minister abe of japan saying we want free trade. we want to protect the climate. and donald trump's vision is very much an economic nationalism, the fair trade rather than the free trade. and certainly not supportive of a multilateral solution for climate change. so you really have, in 70 years, the united states created the
international system based on open liberal values and strong u.s. leadership. and now you have a very different vision where it's an america first, where it's our interest and the rest of the world can take that or not take that. and so you really are missing that grounded u.s. leadership, security, economic and political. and that's the tale of these two visions. and you'll see the japanese and the europeans going in one direction and you'll see the united states moving in a very different one. >> in fact, david sanger, angela merkel opened up those meetings, and the two first issues were global trade and climate change. those were the first two issues she brought up. and they are two issues in which the president of the united states stands in opposition in many ways to many of the other leaders, if not most, of the other leaders in that room. >> that's right, john. and that's what gives president putin his opening here.
what is the meddling in the election, the meddling in the french election in germany, the intimidation of european allies all about? it's about dividing the west. and i think if putin's view of the world from everything that we can try to piece together is that the west used russia's weakness in the '90s after the fall of the berlin wall to humiliate the country, and he is bringing it back, and if he can do so by dividing the west or accelerating divisions that we have anyway, then he's got to win. and so he's walking into this meeting in a pretty powerful place. the president's got to decide whether to emerge with his usual, we got along great. our relationship is going to be fine. or whether he wants to convey a sense that you heard from steve before that he really pushed back and made it clear to putin
that russia will be contained in some of its activity. and we don't have a clear understanding from the white house yet which one of those mind-sets president trump is going into this meet with. >> they've been deliberately vague about the approach to this meeting. he's going in without a set agenda. that's the message they sent going in. go ahead. >> those can really be dangerous. that would certainly be dangerous. if you read the history of the kennedy meet with khrushchev in 1961, which i wrote about in "the times" two days ago, even going in with a relatively strong agenda, i think kennedy felt deeply outmaneuvered. and if you go in with no agenda versus somebody like putin is going in with a clear agenda, that could be a problem. >> steve hall, a lot has been made about the fact that vladimir putin, former kgb agent, former spy in chief,
approaches these meetings in a different way. tries to get leverage any way he can. he brought a dog to his first meet with angela merkel because he knew she was afraid of dogs. >> vladimir putin is an expert on many different things. a lot is made of his former intelligence ties, kgb ties, and that will be helpful to him as he tries to assess his adversary, in this case, donald trump. but, you know, almost as important, i think, is the vast experience that he brings into the room when you compare it to, from diplomatuc and international relations terms, the much lesser amount of experience that you have on the american side. putin has been around for years and years. he's met with all sorts of foreign leaders. he's met with four american presidents -- >> stand by. we're getting some new video of president trump's meet with mexico's president pena nieto. >> we're negotiating nafta and some other things with mexico,
and we'll see how it all turns out. but i think we made very good progress. so it's great to be with you. >> translator: thank you very much. i want to thank you for -- opening this up with donald trump. and i'm sure this is going to help us continue a great flowing dialogue that will allow for the negotiations of nafta. -- especially for the security, the security of both nations. especially on our borders. and, of course, also working on migration issues, which is a
task that both of -- both of our administrations are occupied with this situation as well. and, of course, both of our nations have taken upon ourselves to really admit that it's [ inaudible ]. thank you so much for this great opportunity. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, everybody. >> do you still want mexico to pay for the wall? >> thank you. >> thank you all. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> so much has been made of the fact that president trump was about to meet for the first time as president with russian leader vladimir putin. that a big deal and happening within minutes. but that was president trump's first meeting as president with the mexican leader enrique pena nieto.
they had a meeting earlier this year canceled. they were supposed to meet very early on in trump's administration. the mexicans really pulled out. why? because president trump came into office not just saying he was going to build a wall on the border, but continuing to say that mexico would pay for it. and that was difficult politically for the mexican leader to face. that meeting was canceled. since then, president trump still says mexico is going to build a wall. he hasn't really said nearly as much, if at all, that mexico will still pay for it. right there he was asked, will mexico pay for the wall? president trump said, absolutely. not sure whether that was a deliberate message he wanted to send or something that comes up somewhat casually in these types of meetings, but that's why the stakes are so high here. one of the many meetings president trump will have over the course of the day. i hope i still have hetather conley with me. president trump meeting with many, many world leaders over the next 24 hours, with different agendas with each and
every one. and, really delicate issues with each and every one. >> it's a really full schedule. nine bilateral meetings with president xi of china, you had the meeting yesterday with the south korean and japanese on the north korea issue. you have to prepare extensively. you have to know exactly what you want out of these meetings. they're short. you have to be able to express your views. get that feedback and keep that process moving. the challenge here is the administration is not filled out in its senior positions. we have not developed those policies so it's high stakes without the preparation and the policy objectives to get that hard work done. if this is very difficult. and the media focus on this putin meeting just to pick up on a point that david mentioned earlier. president putin does havy in levera the leverage here. he's going to exploit the weaknesses he sees and the
destabilizing behavior that president trump mentioned in warsaw yesterday. destabilizing of the american democracy and european democracies. that's what we have to address. the commander in chief has to protect the united states. that's job one. and we need to get that message across today. >> again, that meeting between president trump and vladimir putin happens in just minutes. david sanger, just to pick up on what we just heard between president trump and president nieto, that one word we heard from president trump, absolutely, when asked if mexico will still pay for that wall. does that put the mexican president in a bind when he goes home after this first face-to-face meeting with president trump? >> it doesn't happen. now we've heard the white house hedge on the question of how one would pay for that wall. whether it would be done through some other mechanism other than getting a check. i suspect it probably would if it happens at all. but, you know, this is donald trump facing the fact that his
base wants confirmation on something that he would yell at every campaign rally. it has very little to do with the big issues with mexico, which is how would you renegotiate nafta? whether or not the wall is really a wall in all places. it isn't. and so forth. but my guess is that that's going to look like the lesser of the meetings. not less important but less urgent given the putin meeting. and as heather mentioned, xi jinping tomorrow at a time that north korea has just demonstrated an icbm capability. >> and everyone will be watching that very closely. the idea that mexico would pay for the wall out of the president's stump speech the last several months. as of just a few minutes ago in hamburg, back in. steve hall, david sanger, heather conley, thanks. we're now just minutes away from the first faiss ce-to-face
we are just minutes away from what will be an historic, not to mention highly analyzed meeting between president trump and russian president vladimir putin. just minutes away now. i'm joined by republican congressman dan donovan of new york. thanks for joining us in person in new york as we're watching pictures of these meetings come back. fascinating to see and the most highly anticipated meeting between the u.s. president and russian leader. what do you want to come out of this meeting? >> i'd like to see the president address some of the issues that we need to deal with russia about the interference of the election, about what's happened in syria. their involvement in ukraine. this is a great opportunity for the president face-to-face to talk about the things all of us are talking about back home but address them with the leader of russia. >> the number one issue on that
list was russian election meddling. the one issue the white house hasn't told us he'll definitively raise. your advice is bring it up. what happens if he doesn't? >> the president's priorities that he's going to be able to mention to putin. he's only got a short period of time. these side conversations or meetings don't last very long. i don't know what the president thinks is the most important thing. when we witnessed the atrocities assad did to his own people, gassing women and children, the president didn't want to stand for that. he took swift action, bombing their air field where they launched those attacks from. that might be his number one priority. i don't know how much time they'll have. he's going to use that time as he sees it. he can use it best. >> one thing he has said about russian election meddling is no one knows for sure whether it was the russians or other countries as well. he said that in warsaw, overseas in poland. is that the right kind of message to send about your intelligence services? >> i was a prosecutor for 20
years before i went to congress. and i've always done, in my professional career, wait until the investigation is over before you reach a conclusion. we have about four different investigations going on now into the russian meddling. one in the house. one in the senate. the fbi is doing one and the special counsel is doing one. i'd wait before i reached any conclusions until they're finished. >> although the intelligence agencies which have been investigating it separately have no doubt the russians meddled. they see no evidence it was anyone else. >> i do, and i have trust in our intelligence agencies. but it's people looking in and they have a lot more information than we have publicly. i'd wait until they finish their conclusions. >> we just saw the president asked about the wall. and the president said he wants to build between mexico and the united states. he plans to build a wall, although the funding for it not in place yet. he was asked clearly during this meeting, will mexico still pay for the wall?
he said absolutely. >> absolutely. he said absolutely. i don't think anyone ever expected for mexico to hand over a check to the united states. but there are mechanisms you can do that through trade agreements, withholding foreign aid until the wall is paid for. there's many ways this can be done. >> you really think mexico is going to pay for the wall? >> if we're holding the money we give them, in essence, they pay for the wall. >> should they? >> we have to protect our borders. our number one responsibility as people in public office is to protect the citizens of our country. there has to be some security that goes into place. if the president thinks this is the best way. i'd urge the president to listen to his advisers. they are great experts on security. what's the best way to secure our country from our enemies, from our predators, from the people bringing drugs into our country or trafficking humans into our country. let them tell us what's the best way to do that. >> while this is all going on
overseas, mitch mcconnell is trying to put together a republican health care bill that can pass the senate. he can't put the votes together to get through the senate. one of the things is that maybe it's time to bring the democrats on board. work in some kind of a bipartisan way. you were a no vote on the house version. you've been on the opposition as a republican to the republican efforts so far. what are you seeing on the senate side? are they anywhere near a bill you can vote for? >> they're still negotiating and bargaining and modernizing their bill. what mitch mcconnell said is the right path to take. one of the criticism of the affordable care act is it was passed without one republican bill. we're trying to pass one without one democratic vote. if we keep doing this back and forth, every time the resident of 1600 pennsylvania avenue changes, we'll have a new health care plan. it's not fair to patients or
health care practiceitititioner anyone else. >> president obama at the time did talk to a lot of republicans. he went to a bunch of republican gatherings. there were committee hearings. olympia snowe voted for the plan in committee. not in the full senate. democrats haven't really been brought in. >> when he was leaving, president obama came to the capitol, to the hill and asked, please don't help the republicans undo what i'll go down in history known for, the affordable care act. they made a commitment. i'd like the former president to relieve them of that commitment to get this country moving forward and let people have some confidence and stability in their health care. >> great to have you on in the studio talking about a range of issues. we're just minutes away from president trump meet with vladimir putin. all of us who watch this very closely, watching every move. the handshake, the pat on the back, analyzing the smiles. that's important. maybe more important or definitely more important what they actually discuss.
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we are just minutes away from president trump who will be meeting with russian leader vladimir putin. this takes place in hamburg, germany. we believe we'll see pictures of it when it happens. stick around for that. should be very interesting. while we wait, i want to bring in errol lewis. jack kingston, cnn political commentator, former senior adviser to the trump campaign and michael o'hanlon from the brookings institute. congressman, i want to start with you here. a lot of democratic senators are saying the president would be in severe dereliction of duty if he does not bring up russian election meddling at this meeting. your response to that? >> i think, number one, he is going to bring it up, but i think he's going to do it in a way completely different than barack obama. barack obama when he knew about
it made it sound like. you heard me yesterday in poland. you heard me talk about the importance of the eastern bloc. you heard me talk about nato alliance. you heard me commit to self-patriot missiles to poland. you know i dropped the 59 tomahawk missiles in syria. new sheriff in town. you will not be interfering with our elections from here on out. and, by the way, we're not through talking about 2016. i think if he says that, you can say it really quickly. you will not mess with elections in the future. if he says that, he can say it quickly, but given his track record, he can speak with authority that's there a new sheriff in town, you are not dealing with barack obama. the american people are furious. if there's one thing that united democrats and republicans is that we do not want any further
interference. you said you think he will do it. do you have reason to believe he will do that in the next few minutes? >> i have reason to believe because he is a skilled negotiator and he knows it is relevant and there's no way to get around it. when russia desperately would like economic relief because of the sanctions. keep in mind, 50% of gdp is dependent on trade. it's $3.7 trillion, ours is $18 trillion. they need us more than we need them economically. the other thing trump brought up is get off our energy. oil and gas prices are already down and we'll have economic problems. i think that you can't get around this because of the sanction issue, if nothing else. >> michael hanlan reporting overnight. picking up spying efforts, let
more people in and what they perceive as a lack of retaliation of obama and trump of the russian meddling. do you think they anticipate this kind of response the congressman was talking about from president trump? >> that's a good question. good morning. i generally agree with the congressman. those are the kind of messages that need to be sent. whether one makes a contrast to president obama or saying listen, we are coming to terms now in the united states with the severity of what you did last year. on a bipartisan basis, this cannot be tolerated in the future and will not be consistent with a good u.s./russian relationship, the kind i would like to build with you. that is necessary. i think president trump will send it. i think president trump wants to improve the relationship with russia. i agree with president trump on that but it's going to require a stern set of messages and russia also showing complete change of heart. the spying stuff, that happens.
monitoring each other's activities, that's not going to stop. you can bet we are doing it against them as well. the direct interference in elections as well as russia's behavior in ukraine and syria, those issues need to be addressed and russia's behavior needs to change. we have to be created in working with russia in regard to syria and ukraine. we need new strategies going forward that require collaboration. that's why president trump needs a tough message conveyed today so the next interaction can be more constructive. >> i live in a world where i don't believe in coincidences. jeffrey, of the white house wanted president trump to bring up russian meddling. he told me he thinks president trump will lead me to believe this might happen in the next few minutes, the president may, quote, unquote, surprise people by confronting vladimir putin over russian meddling.
if that happens, though, what message do the russians take from that? within the last 24 hours, president trump is saying, nobody knows for sure whether the russians meddled in the election. it could be others as well. even though the classified information tells us, no one else was involved. >> i'm not quite as optimistic as congressman kingston that we are going to hear this or jeffrey. frankly, when the new sheriff in town doesn't seem to be clear whether or not a crime was committed, it doesn't inspire hope that he's going to take the steps necessary to issue a stern warning. that also, frankly, interacts with questions about sanctions and about kicking out and closing the compound, the diplomatic compound from which the spying was going on. the russians said they want
those compounds back. we should make sure we know at the end of this meeting whether or not that was discuss zed as well. frankly, i'm hoping for a read out from somebody other than the russians of what goes on in the meeting. there's the four principles, the two leaders of the country and foreign ministers translators. unless they tell us what they are talking ability, we won't know what will be discussed. >> i think rex tillerson will brief reporters after the meeting. that is something we will anticipate. we will get an official investigation from the united states, the trump administration after. michael, you have been looking at this and many issues for decades now. what have we learned about what can be done, how the president can work with vladimir putin. what has been successful in terms of cooperation with the russian leader? >> well, as you know, president bush and president obama were severely disappointed in their relationship with putin. they didn't feel like, in the
end, they could collaborate. but there have been cases like sanctions on iran, which led to the deal. the sanctions got us to a different place in terms of iran's willingness to negotiate. they helped forces through afghanistan through their territory and territories of former soviet republics. they have occasionally cooperated on sanctions against north korea. on these kind of things where there is a clear russian interest in the same kind of ultimate objective we have, there is a possibility for collaboration. i'm hopeful about syria, for example. i think our main interest and russia's can be largely deconflicted and partially compatible. we need a new strategy to do that. it will require a good working relationship with russia. trump needs to start with a displeasure of the pass to move i don't understand it and focus on syria.
>> should president trump trust vladimir putin? >> no. he should not. i think he could draw on the left of president bush learned, you can't look into his soul and see anything but a cold heart. i think there's no way to reset. but, i think if they stabilize the relationship, that is an objective that can happen. stabilize it and then build on areas you can trust. follow up with what michael said, building up arms in poland and strengthening the baltic states, that is something that gets russia. i have heard, haven't verified, but something like 20 nato countries are increasing their budget. when president trump said they have to come up with more, that's something that gets putin's attention. again, he's got a 15% inflation rate in russia.
their economy, the unemployment is down, i think, 5.2% right now, but not a strong economy because they are dependent on oil and gas prices. >> you know what else gets vladimir putin's attention is the russians are in crimea. it's something he did not bring up in any language, close to that, in warsaw. should he address that directly? >> he did say interference in ukraine. the whole thing in poland was about the occupation, which started in september, 1939 with the nazis and handed off in world war ii. i think that was a strong message to russia that the west is going to stick together. the west is going to defend freedom. the west is going to defend its boundaries. i think when it comes to crimea, we need to have nato, we need the united nations, an international group saying, look, we have to work together on this. i think, possibly, as erol lewis
alluded to, it plays into a bigger stage that includes north korea. there are carrot and stick opportunities out there for maybe a two-way street in that regard. >> again, he did talk about the polls over centuries, really, in central europe. he did talk about what he called destabilizing activities by the russians. he did talk about ukraine. he did not say the word out loud, crimea, which would be very, very important to the residents and ukraine. that aside, erol lewis, we are minutes away from president trump meeting with the russian leader, vladimir putin. we expect that meeting to begin very, very shortly. while we wait for that, erol, he's had a big meeting with the mexican president. their first meeting as president since president trump took office. at the very end of the meeting, president trump was asked, will
mexico pay for the wall. he said absolutely. he's been reluctant to say out loud as president because it was upsetting for the mexican leader. he did say it with the leader in the room. what do you think the impact is? >> it will be profound. this is not something that the mexican president can allow to go unanswered. here in the united states, of course, this is going to be wrapped up in a lot of mysterious budget mess of how it's going to get down. remember in the campaign, when asked about it, who is going to pay for it? how is it going to get paid for? there was a con va luted system to make it done. aside from the lowball estimate of what it would cost to build this wall, how it was going to get paid for was supposed to be by we, the taxpayers, then make it back on the backside. it will enable him to say, you know, absolutely, it's going to
get done. it will enable the mexican president to say, no way in hell will we pay for this and see how it works out in the future. >> thank you very, very much. appreciate your time as we wait for this big meeting between president trump and vladimir putin. hello, everyone. ime john berman. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. u.s. president, donald trump and vladimir putin are about to sit down for their first official meeting. this meeting about to begin any minute. we expect to see pictures of it when it does happen. one of the most anticipated meetings of the year. now, they did shake hands earlier today. you are seeing images of them in a group setting. this may have been the first time the two men ever met, although, president trump, during the campaign, said clearly he met him in the past. he changed that