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these talks are going to be about how do we help you chart a course to cease and roll back your nuclear program. that's what we want to talk about. we're not interested in talking about how do we have you stop where you are today. because stopping where they are because stopping where they are today is not acceptable to us. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> fluffy cover question on general impressions. we thought this was a 30-minute meeting. it ended up being two hours and 16 minutes. it was a long time to watch those two leaders interact. any insights on those. any update on the ukraine sanctions to any resolution.
>> okay. so the first question >> next talks. >> there's no agreed next meeting between the presidents. there are agreed subsequent follow-up meetings between various working-level groups at the state department. we agreed to set up a working-level group to begin to explore this framework agreement around the cyber issue, and this issue of noninterference. so those will be ongoing with various staff levels. >> who's leading that? is that rob joyce on the u.s. side? >> it will be out of the state department and the national security adviser's office. as to the nature of the 2 hours and 15 minutes, first, let me characterize the -- the meeting was very constructive. the two leaders, i would say, connected very quickly. there was a very clear positive
chemistry between the two. i think, again -- and i think the positive thing i observed, and i've had many, many meetings with president putin before, is there was not a lot of relitigating of the past. i think both of the leaders feel like there's a lot of things in the past that both of us are unhappy about. we're unhappy. they're unhappy. i think the perspective of both of them was this is a really important relationship. two largest nuclear powers in the world. it's a really important relationship. how do we start making this work? how do we live with one another? how do we work with one another? we simply have to find a way to go forward, and i think that was -- that was expressed over and over, multiple times. i think by both presidents. this strong desire. it is a very complicated relationship today because there are so many issues on the table.
but i think -- and one of the reasons it took a long time, i think, is because once they met and got acquainted with one another fairly quickly, there was so much to talk about. all these issues, just about everything got touched on to one degree or another, and i think there was just such a level of engagement and exchange, neither one of them wanted to stop. several times, i had to remind the president, people were sticking their heads in the door and i think they even sent in the first lady at one point to see if she could get us out of there, and that didn't work either. >> is that true? >> yes, it's true. we went another hour after she came in to see us, so clearly she failed. but i think, you know, my -- what i've described to you, the 2 hours and 15 minutes, it was an extraordinarily important meeting. i mean, there's just -- there's so much for us to talk about. and it was a good start.
now, i would tell you, we spent a very, very lengthy period on syria with a great amount of detail exchanged on the agreement we had concluded today that was announced, but also where we go and trying to get much greater clarity around how we see this playing out and how russia sees it playing out. and where do we share a common view, and where do we have a difference. and do we have the same objectives in mind. and i would tell you that by and large, our objectives are exactly the same. how we get there, we each have a view. but there's a lot more commonality to that than there are differences, so we want to build on the commonality and we spent a lot of time talking about next steps. and then where there's differences, we have more work to get together and understand. maybe they've got the right approach and we've got the wrong approach.
so, there was a substantial amount of time spent on syria. just because it's -- we've had so much activity going on with it. >> secretary, you said the president was unequivocal in his view that russia did interfere in the election. did he offer to produce any evidence or -- >> the russians have asked for proof and evidence. i'll leave that to the intelligence community to address. the answer to that question. and again, i think the president at this point, he pressed him, and then, you know, felt like at this point, let's talk about how do we go forward, and i think that was the right place to spend our time, rather than spending a lot of time having a disagreement that everybody knows we have a disagreement. >> have a great evening. >> all right. let's take it. i'm brooke baldwin. you have been listening to a secretary of state, rex
tillerson, who was inside, one of the most highly anticipated meetings here between two world leaders in recent memory. president trump and russia's vladimir putin meeting face-to-face for the very first time. this meeting last add whole lot longer than anyone anticipated. we clocked it. it was 2 hours and 16 minutes. we now know what was discussed behind closed doors. for one, russia's influencing the 2016 presidential election. there were a lot of questions as to whether or not president trump would, in fact, go there. the indication from administration officials was that he would not. but you just heard secretary tillerson says the president opened his meeting confronting president putin about it and putin went on to deny it. the two also made some moves on syria, reaching an agreement on a cease-fire in the country's southwest. they talked north korea. they talked china, and as we just heard at one point, they went on for so long, they tried to deploy the first lady to get
these two men to wrap it up and that didn't work. they went on for another hour. jim acosta, let's begin with you. our cnn correspondent live in hamburg. surprise, surprise, they opened with what many people assumed they would not. is this the white house, perhaps, listening to critics? >> reporter: you know, i think we're going to have to be careful, brooke, and gauge this as we move forward over the next couple days when we get a fuller readout of what occurred. we talked to more officials about this. but clearly from what the secretary of state rex tillerson told reporters after this meeting between president trump and vladimir putin that it does appear president trump was listening to his critics and really urging him to go into this meeting with the russian president and confront vladimir putin on this issue. now, according to rex tillerson, who is of course speaking from the u.s. point of view here, in terms of how that meeting played out, president trump brought this up at the very top of this meeting, that this was a lengthy exchange, and that vladimir putin simply denied that russia meddled in last year's election.
as a matter of fact, according to secretary of state tillerson, the russians demanded proof. vladimir putin wanted proof that his country had meddled in last year's election. that proof was apparently not provided during this meeting. it's interesting to note, brooke, as we're getting some initial reporting out of rex tillerson and sergey lavrov, his russian counterpart, talking to reporters after this meeting, sergey lavrov apparently told reporters after this meeting that president trump accepted vladimir putin's claim of non-interference in last year's election. brooke, i just talked to a senior administration official in the last few minutes who says, no, president trump did not accept vladimir putin's claim of noninterference, and so there is a little bit of a disagreement here. he said/he said in terms of what went on in this meeting. but clearly, no question about it, make no mistake, this is a significant development because just recall yesterday, president trump at that press conference in warsaw was talking about other countries potentially being involved in last year's
election, contrary to what the u.s. international -- excuse me, the u.s. intelligence community has been saying for a very long time. and so for the president, despite those expressed reservations about all of this, to go into this meeting and say that, i think it's pretty significant. >> agree and we'll talk in a second with my panel about how this was all really possibly just carefully choreographed. jim acosta, thank you so much in hamburg. president trump and president putin actually spoke to reporters shortly before their formal meeting. here you go. >> thank you very much. we appreciate it. president putin and i have been discussing various things, and i think it's going very well. we've had some very, very good talks. we're going to have a talk now and obviously that will continue. but we look forward to a lot of very positive things happening for russia, for the united states, and for everybody concerned. and it's an honor to be with you. >> let's analyze.
with me now, steve hall, cnn national security analyst and retired cia chief of russia operations. mackenzie eglan, laura rosenberger who served in the state department under president george w. bush and the national security council under president obama and cnn senior political analyst david gergen who has been adviser to four presidents. to you, the fact that we are now learning that president trump opened this conversation with president putin specifically on the election meddling, do you think this was all just carefully choreographed? >> no. i don't think -- i think the president went in carefully choreographed. i don't think the whole meeting was. but i must tell you, brooke, jim acosta's right. we need to be cautious now. let's get the full reading. the but the initial reading suggests that this could have been one of the most productive, promising meetings president
trump has held since he took office. the very fact that now the meddling is on the table, and we may have disagreements about how that conversation developed, but that they're developing a framework for future cyber attacks and how they're going to handle it on each side and how they're going to keep the russians out of the u.s. and other countries, that is promising and this agreement in syria could be very promising. it is a multistate agreement. not only with the russians and the united states but also with jordan and israel. and if we could start working together with the russians, that's something john kerry wanted to do in the obama administration. we could start working with the russians more closely on syria, that could be very promising too. this was presidential. this was big league stuff. >> the fact, though, laura, to you next, as a former member of the obama administration, you have been very critical of president trump. your reaction. do you give the president credit with how he handled the election interference off the top?
>> well, i think david's right that we need to know a bit more here. i think the differing accounts that we've seen from tillerson and lovrov are of concern. if they've walked away with a difference understanding of what happened in that conversation, that's not a good sign. i think it is important that the president raised it. i think it's interesting that the president himself has still not said publicly that he believes that russia was involved in this and so i think it will be important for us to hear that from him directly. but i do also think it's important for us to remember that russia views this as basically, you know, this is an assault on our democracy, that they have undertaken. last year in 2016 and what we will be potentially seeing in the future. and we need to take steps to prepare ourselves to defend against and deter that kind of threat going forward. >> and -- >> go ahead. >> i totally agree with you and i think that's a whole conversation we need to have, especially given what former dni clapper has said about worries
about 2018 and 2020 and the cnn reporting we have. but just going back, mackenzie, to you, why do you think the difference in what president trump said publicly in warsaw yesterday, you know, the day before the putin meeting, he can't even hold russia accountable despite everything that his intel chiefs have said, and today, when, again, according to tillerson, he opened with putin on interfering. >> well, just one goes to show there's nowhere to go but up with low expectations set all across the board by the advisers to the president. and i think it was meant to send a signal domestically here in the u.s. to both parties to congress to everybody concerned that yes, he does take it seriously. laura is right that he hasn't publicly confirmed that he believes that this is true, but nonetheless, this is a one way to signal to the american people, i agree it's a serious concern and a problem and i'm going to raise it. but i think it's important that he does next is actually offer up that proof or allow the
intelligence community taking out sources and methods and that sort of thing but to give proof to say we know exactly how you did it and where and why because if we want to deter russia in the next election, we have to show that we do have that proof. >> what about steve, you know, just listening to jim acosta, our white house correspondent there in hamburg, you know, just reported that this official says that the president did not accept putin's denial of this interference. how do you think that back and forth would have played out in that room? >> brooke, let me try to channel, i think, chat russian side is perceiving on stuff like that. first of all, good that the president raised the election meddling issue, although it's interesting that our threshold is now sunk to the level of, well, at least he's got to raise it. this is a serious assault of democracy so one would hope that he would. but i think the russians are basically going to continue to deny this. i take a little bit of a different tack on the, you know, providing proof. first of all, the russians know
that they can ask for proof all day long and we're not going to provide it because it's sensitive intelligence and it doesn't make any sense to provide it to the russians. it's simply going to give them a better idea of how we got it and they're not going to say, oh, okay, we'll stop. what i really hope happened is that the president laid out specifically what would happen in very stark terms if it happened again, and the fact that lavrov walked away and said, well, trump accept that had we have a difference of opinion and he accepted the russian explanation, i think, is a very bad thing because it's a result of tillerson saying, well, we're just going to move forward. not going to look back ward. i think in some cases, you have to look backward and say, look, we're not going to move forward until we get resolution on some of the bad things russia has done not only in this election situation but over the past couple years. >> laura, what's your reaction? >> i fully concur with steve. i mean, i think it's difficult -- number one, vladimir putin knows what he ordered. the intelligence community has assessed unanimously that not
only what russia did but vladimir putin's own involvement in that. and we know that in the unclassified version of the report that they released in january. so the russians don't need proof. they know it. that's number one. number two, i really am focused on the piece that president trump and his administration needs to start taking measures here at home. i worry a bit if we get caught in a conversation with the russians about what it means to have an agreement on noninterference. are they going to make false equivalency between u.s. support for human rights activists or others inside russia. we're going to get caught in a very long loop of negotiating something that should not be a negotiation. they have conducted an assault on our country, and as commander in chief, the president has a responsibility to order his administration to take defensive and deterrent actions. >> agree, but steve, just back to you, you know, the fact, again, this is according to secretary tillerson, that president trump opened the meeting with this, do you think that that totally took president
putin by surprise? would that have been maybe part of the reason? do you think it ticked him off? >> i'd be surprised if he were to take the offer taken by surprise on something like this. i mean, he's probably in wait and see mode. but those comments are absolutely right. russia would like nothing more than to get in some sort of convoluted discussion about how we should move forward on cyber things. this is like a criminal saying, let's negotiate how we killed somebody, let's talk more about that before we send me to jail. that's exactly the position of what russiaments to do. >> you're in and out. i want to keep going through some of the headlines on syria and north korea, but david gergen, just on the sheer face of this meeting lasting 2 hours, 16 minutes, i realize some of this is lost in the translators going back and forth. what's your read, though, on the meeting length? >> i think we should welcome the fact that they spent 2 hours and 15 minutes. you know, it was originally scheduled for 30 minutes, and it could not have had a serious
discussion. i imagine both sides actually thought it's probably going to run over, but it would send a good signal to the world. and i keep coming back to this. we can get down into the weeds on different aspects of what's going on with the meddling and that sort of thing, that will have to be thrashed out, but i must tell you, brooke, the bigger take away here for me right now, he seemed presidential today. and we actually had a secretary of state who was explaining stuff to us. how often have we had that? >> very forthcoming. >> this seemed like -- yeah. and more forthcoming. this seemed like we were back to normal life for the first time, one of the only times in the last few months. and this is what we expect from our president. we may agree or disagree with the particulars but we want our president to show leadership and to be at a presidential level. and i thought we saw more of that today, and i think we should be encouraged by that. >> what about, you know, people have been discussing the years of experience between if you add up the years that putin and sergey lavrov have had, it's
something like 80-plus years and you look at tillerson and trump, new in government, they're newbies but we do know that rex tillerson in his previous lifetime, you know, has had years of dealing with russia. so, mackenzie, i'm curious, in this 2 hours, 16 minutes back and forth, how much do you think secretary -- how much do you think tillerson actually weighed in? >> i think it's a great point that you're raising. it's obvious that advisers to the president are having a strong influence over everything that he's saying on this trip, not just in this meeting alone, but his firm commitment to article 5, our mutual defense commitment to the nato countries and our allies who participate in nato, and again, today in the meeting, talking, they wanted a win and they got one. if, of course, this cease-fire agreement holds in southern syria. >> do you think tillerson would have piped up on policy? >> i would have expected that he did speak, absolutely. >> yeah. let me ask everyone to stand by.
you mentioned syria. we've got other big headlines, including the cease. >> fire in syria, talks of the assad family, also on north korea, china's role in helping the u.s. so much more to talk about. we're going to take a quick break. more breaking news on the back end here of this all-important president trump/president putin meeting there in hamburg.
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ready to of your back pain? new icyhot lidocaine patch. desensitizes aggravated nerves with the max strength lidocaine available. new icyhot lidocaine patch. welcome back to our breaking news here. extraordinary headlines coming out of this 2 hour 16 minute long meeting between president trump and president putin. according to secretary of state rex tillerson who was in the room saying president trump opened this meeting talking about russia's interfering in the u.s. elections, something that president putin denied. that was number one. number two, the news that was made out of this meeting on syria. here is secretary tillerson. >> they discussed important progress that was made in syria, and i think all of you have seen some of the news that just broke
regarding the escalation agreement, the memorandum, which was. >> gary: --. >> gary:ed -- agreed >> yes or no's security >> jordan's security but also a very important part of the syrian battle field. this deescalation area was agreed. it's well defined agreements on who will secure this area, a cease-fire has been entered into it, and i think this is our first indication of the u.s. and russia being able to work together in syria and as a result of that, we had a very lengthy discussion regarding other areas in syria that we can continue to work together on to deescalate the areas and the violence once we defeat isis. >> let me bring my panel back. david gergen, beginning with you, you know, this headline, hearing from secretary tillerson, confirming in southwest syria the cease-fire,
referred to it as deescalation. what's the significance of the cease-fire? >> well, if the cease-fire were to hold in that part of syria and then were to spread, it would be very -- it would be extraordinarily important because this is one of the worst conflicts, which has created so much human suffering and these great migrations into europe and a lot of the issues about immigration in our public, so this is very significant. we'll just have to wait and see. i think when it comes to syria and russia, one should always be cautious and not overplay it. we have to wait and see. the russians are very wily on this. and the russians play a long game here. they intend to stay in the middle east. they intend to have a lot of significance. they intend to be a major player there. and i'm sure if they're doing this in this cooperation way, they say there's something in it for them. it is to some degree a win for
president trump if this is serious. it will be seen as a win for him, that he secured something that was -- the united states has wanted to secure and that is a working relationship with russia. if that were to be the case and it would lead to more peace and say no-fly zones and that sort of thing, that's something john kerry worked really hard to do and it eluded him as it has often eluded others. it could be really significant but we need to be cautious. >> i hear your cautious, david gergen, and i'm listening too very carefully. to add, though, to what we're talking about with the cease-fire, secretary tillerson also made news, essentially saying assad will have to go. let me quote him. he said, "assad will leave power eventually. how he leaves is yet to be determined. there will be a transition away from the assad family." again, laura, having worked in the obama administration, dealing with syria, transition away from the assad family. what's your reaction to hearing that? >> first of all, i think it's
important that secretary tillerson made that statement. there have been some mixed signals from the administration, particularly early on about what their position was vis-a-vis assad. i think it's important for him to reiterate that viewpoint. that's a very important strategic understanding of where the administration wants to go. but of course it's the how that's really critical here. it's not entirely clear to me if that is something that was discussed -- the nature of the discussion with the russians on that or not. and the how and whether or not that interacts with this cease-fire agreement. i think david's right in terms of the way we should think about this, in terms of both its potential but also need for caution. the devil is always in the details on these kinds of things. one thing that's important to note is my understanding is that neither the regime nor the iranians were involved in the negotiation of this agreement, and so whether or not they will abide by it, i think, will be an important test of its effectiveness, will be an
important test, frankly, of the russians and their ability to actually get the people -- the players that they support to actually come along here. >> well, here's another one on the how being a key piece of this. they talked about north korea, we know, according to secretary tillerson, they said they have a lot of differences, they being russia and the u.s. on how to handle the situation in north korea. he said both of us want denuclearized north korea. we want to work this w them, though, to persuade them on the urgency. can you explain the difference between how russia sees it and how the u.s. sees north korea. >> the status quo is always preferable. even if the regime is unpredictable, everybody thinks they can handle what they know already, which is of course what's been happening, which is the status quo. nobody wants a mass humanitarian crisis spilling over the borders of north koreans into china. nobody wants mass casualty events in south korea, in its
major cities, including its capital. the urgency here is that they tested a intercontinental ballistic missile. it was a new capability demonstrated for the first time, which means they have weapons that can reach american shores, namely alaska in this instance. >> thus the sense of urgency on behalf of the u.s. >> absolutely, right. and there should be on behalf of allies close to china, which would include russia because of the problems that would cause with any kind of regime change, whether it was famine or fighting that took it down, it would pose massive headaches for the global economy and for china in particular, and russia should care about that. >> on china, i think it's important to point out that he said, specifically, that the u.s. hasn't given up hope on china. you know, there's just been a pause, the expectations for their help on north korea have not changed. but steve, let me move on to you, some of this reporting out of cnn on russian spies coming to the u.s. they're ramping up, according to our sources, they're ramping up
intel gathering efforts ahead of 2018, 2020. can you tell me who they are and what exactly are they looking to infiltrate? >> the russians are always looking to maximize their intelligence collection capabilities inside the united states. you have to remember that of course at the end of the obama administration, 35 russian diplomats -- >> expelled. >> most of the intelligence -- yeah, were expelled so they're going to try to rebuild that. it's especially important to the russians during these times of uncertainty and in new relationship with the united states to have as much information as they can. i would say alarmingly, though, we have increased information, i think, that the russian intelligence officers are sort of, you know, spreading out across the country to look at critical u.s. infrastructure. and this is why it's so important to pay attention to the cyber piece of this, and why i'm concerned when we hear things like, well, there's going to be some sort of big agreement on cyber curt with russia. a key component of russia's
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the hours president trump spent with vladimir putin today will be one of the most analyzed moments of his administration. but exactly how significant is this to our 16-minute meeting with putin's country? here are some opinions already from the streets of moscow. >> translator: i really like them, both of them, i must say. they are doing great things. i'm so happy that they are meeting, and i think that they will get along. they are both very positive figures and they will find a common ground. i'm sure of it. >> translator: there must be talks and they must come from good intentions. they can't be another way, because neither the states nor us can survive otherwise. we need to live in cooperation with each other. my expectations, to be honest, i'm skeptical about the u.s. behavior and i have high hopes for the political will and political skills of president putin. >> let's go to moscow now to our senior international correspondent matthew chance who has interviewed president putin
not just once but twice. so matthew, first question being knowing that the government obviously controls so much of the media where you are, are russians also hearing details of how this meeting went? >> reporter: yeah, i think they are. in fact, the russian foreign minister, sergey lavrov, has been briefing his own media about what was discussed. i mean, obviously, they're putting a bit more of a russian spin on things. for instance, tillerson may have characterized the discussion about the hacking as a robust exchange. but what sergey lavrov, the sergey lavrov said is that the united states accepted the statements from vladimir putin that russia did not hack the election and indeed, they agreed to set up a joint committee to look into the issue of cyber security, something that russia has been calling for with the united states for some time. and so, yes, they're reporting what was discussed. they're very happy about it. their expectations were very low. they thought this was going to be a pretty cold exchange of
pleasantries. it was obviously much, much more than that. that's why it lasted for nearly 20 hours, 20 minutes because it was a sort of far-reaching discussion about the whole range of issues at the heart of the very fractious relationship between russia and the u.s. and that's something that has been whole har wholeheartedly welcomed in russia, here in a country that has been disillusioned with donald trump. he came to office promising to change the relationship with russia. he couldn't deliver it. now i think those hopes have been rekindled that something substantial may be able to change. >> you too, matthew, have sat across from vladimir putin. once was a sit down in '08 and for some of it he spoke in english. >> reporter: do you think that period of post-war calm has come to an end. >> i think no. i hope no. all of us, we need preparation in some areas that we said about
it during our talks, our meeting, anti-terror, negotiations about nuclear weapons and other problems. we have enough of them. >> and clearly the man speaks some english. we know the meeting with president trump, he spoke in russian and there were translators, but can you just tell me a little bit more about that moment? >> reporter: yeah. i mean, he -- english isn't his strong subject. let's put it this way. he speaks fluent german. obviously he's russian but he's been studying english hard. he's never been that comfortable with it, though. and you can count on one hand the number of times that he's spoken english in public. he's done it a few times. that interview with cnn was one of the main occasions where he spoke in english in public, but i think the point about vladimir putin, when you meet him face-to-face, is he's an extremely sort of focused individual. but he also sort of has got a strong sense of what you need
from that meeting and what he wants from that meeting. and of course he's got a very, you know, good record of charming american presidents. i mean, who can forget, in 2001, when george w. bush looked into his eyes and got a sense of his soul. in 2009, president obama, you know, briefed his officials saying that he thought he was a man of the day who had his eyes set on the future. he's very good at sensing what you want and giving that in a face-to-face meeting. and i expect that's what he did during this meeting with trump, which is why you've got rex tillerson, the secretary of state saying, look, the chemistry between them was great. it was really working. well, that's what putin does. he makes the chemistry work in a face-to-face meeting. >> i guess it's a good thing that the chemistry was great but the real question is what comes out of this meeting. matthew chance, thank you so much in moscow. coming up next, we'll talk to the former u.s. ambassador to russia who says we should be cautious. you're watching cnn's special live coverage.
i'm going to come up on some live pictures here as we've been talking about the significance of this putin/trump meeting. you can see this ambulance and still a number of protesters at the g20 summit. you know, these anti-globalization, anti-capitalist protesters there, all the while these g20 leaders are right now having dinner and are being treated to some sort of musical performance so just so you see the pictures both outside and inside in hamburg. let me go now to a former u.s. ambassador to the russian federation.
he is thomas pickering. his career as an american diplomat spans more than 40 years. he is now a distinguished fellow in foreign policy at the brookings institution. so mr. ambassador, always a treat to have you on. welcome back. >> thank you, brooke, it's very nice to be back with you. >> so, the news, again, according to the secretary of state, the fact that president trump opened up this meeting in talking about russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election, what do you think of that? >> well, i suspect he could do no less, and we hattd a lit of what i would call prediction of that in the warsaw speech the day before, in which he moved a little more in the direction of russia's mischievous and meddlesome conduct, and so i think it was there and clearly designed to play a very important note for the u.s. domestic constituency where it is important in meddling and elections a serious business. the notion, however, that we would have believed that the
russians would never do that, i think, is in itself also a little bit farfetched and over the top. and it means, in fact, that we have to play better defense, because the use of offensive activities to a point where mr. putin will pay attention to them in my view is something that risks serious escalation and war and that's certainly not something we want and it was something that i think is quite contrary to the rest of the spirit of the meeting, both the personal chemistry which we saw, their ability to deal at least in a beginning way with north korea, and with syria. the jordanians jumped a little bit on the announcement, obviously, the syrian peace had to be put together with a little forethought and some early work to make it happen, but it's significant as well. tillerson, interestingly enough, said we agree on goals in syria but not how to get there. on the other hand, we produced an agreement for a cease-fire in southwest syria, which is important and significant if we can make it work.
and i think that's there. i think the final point i would make is, it's too early to be either over enthusiastic or overly glum. i think it was in the middle ground. it suits both people. both president putin and president trump are looking at this particular arrangement as a good one. they have more to talk about, and i would be the last to denigrate it, even though we don't know everything that went on. the absence of certain items from the agenda, i think, is also significant. it may be that they just were not significant enough to talk about, but the war against isis, i didn't hear, but i may have missed that, and certainly dealing with the nuclear deterrent, which is a problem that can be solved by the two sides if they're ready to move. and president putin's seeming continued unwillingness to deal with next rounds of reductions of nuclear weapons, something that's been proposed in the past, and that certainly ought to be looked at, are things that
perhaps are now relegated to future meetings. let's hope that's the case. >> sure. well, let me just put a bitten on that. we do know that north korea was discussed and we also, i believe, combatting global terrorism was on the docket but going back to one of your top points a lot of people i've talked to on tv would disagree that that warsaw, you know, q&a in which the president overtly disagreed with his own intel chiefs absolutely pointing the finger at russia, you know, seemed to contrast what, at least, we're hearing in terms of the opening of the meeting. and the fact that president putin, you know, denied any allegation of meddling, you know, you know the russians, sir. how do you think president putin is now spinning this meeting? >> i think that we've already seen it, sergey lavrov has already said to the russian press that president trump accepted president putin's assurances and happily the white house has come forward very quickly and said that's not the case. but we're in a question of unraveling the problems of the
past. that's significant and not unimportant, but the more important thing is can we help to solve a lot of those particularly ongoing questions for the future, and there, i would put more stress and indeed more emphasis in terms of this meeting. the notion that countries would not try take advantage of the united states and meddle in our elections if they could is a signal totous get better at protected what it is we need to protect in our own society, particularly from outside hacking and i think the defense needs to keep up with the offensive capability here just as much as we can. starting, essentially, hacking arms race is not in anybody's interest, and i think that -- and hopefully president trump made that point to president putin, because it will hurt him as much as it will hurt us, and neither of us will gain very much. >> ambassador thomas pickering,
always a pleasure sir. thank you for your time. coming uh next here, as we're talking about some of the substance of these meetings, we need to think about these protests. we will take you there live. also ahead, the first lady. she had been trapped inside her hotel there in hamburg because of the presence of protesters, forcing her to actually miss some of the g20 events. how she's responding to that coming up.
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this. think of those hurt in hamburg protests. hope everyone stays safe. she was finally allowed to leave and join the president for this evening's dinner. let's go to kate bennett, cnn white house reporter. so, kate, how long was she stuck? >> reporter: most of the day. i mean, this was a situation where security was just not up to par to let her leave. she missed a couple of events with -- hosted by angela merkel's husband today. these spousal events are highly orchestrated so there was a visit to a climate center and a boat tour with lunch. it seems to she missed both of those events but a spokesperson says melania trump used the time today to have staff meetings at the hotel and she wanted to be kept updated on all the protests so she was engaged but couldn't just leave. >> she did leave and in fact we heard from secretary of state rex tillerson when he was briefing reporters and
apparently the meeting was going on so long he joked that they sent melania trump in there to try to get these two gentlemen to wrap up, which was unsuccessful. >> reporter: didn't work. >> they kept talking for another hour, he said. what else -- we see the picture of her with, you know, the g20 class. what else is she up to this evening? >> reporter: so, they attended the philharmonic performance, which i believe just wrapped up, which was beethoven's ninth was on the schedule tonight and she's wearing this, like, beautiful white dress and really stands out there and then after the performance, the g20 leaders and their spouses are heading into a dinner. she'll be there for that as well so again she's stepping out on this global stage, making her mark. today's a bit of a hiccup, having to stay at the hotel but this evening, she's right by his side. >> and quickly, as i read your cover line, what is this about where they were staying? >> reporter: well, the word is they didn't book enough hotel in time to get adequate space. the trump administration.
so they couldn't stay in the hotels. one of them, the four seasons, was booked by the king of saudi arabia. which is something he does. he's done it in washington before, full buyout of the hotel where he brings allegedly his camels and on the radentourage. anyway, they did not get a room there but they're settled now in hamburg. >> all right. kate bennett on the flotus beat. thank you, kate. >> thanks. we continue on. you're watching cnn. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> there were a lot of questions ahead to this all-important meeting as to whether or not president trump would, in fact, go there. but here is what secre