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>> i lived in phoenix for five years and i loved phoenix, but not in july. >> i visited for five days in august once. i can't compare to her five years, but five days was rough. >> allison, thank you. we're pulling for you. >> that's it for us. we'll see you back here at 10:00 eastern for an hour of newsroom. >> don't go anywhere. smerconish is with you right now. i'm michael smerconish in philadelphia. we welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. so president trump finally met president prutin, but what exactly happened? that depends who you ask. rex tillerson says president trump confronted putin about the russian hack. russia says putin denied those
assertions and trump accepted his denial. and president trump talking tough as north korea launches yet another missile. i'll talk to former u.n. ambassador and governor bill richardson about why he thinks the trump administration should speak directly to kim jong-un. plus a look at the heart breaking battle between the parents of this 11 month old baby with a rare disease and the london hospital that wants to take him off of life support. but first president trump just announced after the g20 he's headed to london which is where i visited last week when i was off. whenever i travel abroad, i try on err on the side of offering too many yes, please, and thank yous. i wouldn't wear a t-shirt if my itinerary included a historical church or temple or mosque and if i'm confused as to whether the gra tu tee is included, i make sure to leave some kind of tip. if the local language is something other than english, i'll make an effort to say good
morning in the native tongue. i'm mindful when i'm beyond my natural borders i'm a representative of the united states. one of 300 million without the portfolio. i try to do my part to disspell the stereotype of the ugly american. think ryan lochte at last summer's olympics. last week in london all my efforts seemed an exercise in futility. no amount of person to person encounter encounters can offset the recent actions of my president. prior to my departure the president sent a vulgar tweet commenting on a female cable news host plastic surgery. he'd tweeted an enter met meme which showed him body slamming cnn. the meme originated on reddit, someone whose online identity -- nor was the president deterred by this individual's prior
listing of cnn personalities next to stars of david and anti-semitic suggestion of over representation in the media. after cnn reporters identified and tracked down han he apologized, but the president has not. president trump behavior transcends our borders and it's often embarrassing. the news now from within england is all about wimbledon. meanwhile president trump's hateful tweets were the story for america and several brits with whom i spoke including during a trip to the scene of a bloody attack on june 3rd and s islamists who killed eight people. as has often been my experience when traveling abroad, amongst the american cable offerings, only cnn was available. no fox news. at least not the american version. and no msnbc.
cnn international is the only one with a global footprint, a point perhaps not considered by the president when circulating the image of himself body slamming the network logo. when the president attacks cnn, he's trying to pillar a new source that's viewed and respected worldwide, including by foreign leaders. by the time i landed in philadelphia, north korea was claiming to have tested an intercontinental ballistic missile and president trump was seeking global partners to do something about kim jong-un. too bad those leaders had already themselves seen his recent video. so did president trump, quote, press vladimir putin about interfering in the u.s. election or did putin simply debunk the charge and move on? that's the biggest lingering question about the two hours plus meeting between trump and the russian president friday afternoon. here's how secretary of state rex tillerson described the interaction to reporters in an off-camera briefing after the
meeting. >> the president opened the meeting can president putin by raising the concerns of the american people regarding russian interference in the 2016 election. they had a very robust and lengthy exchange on the subject. the president pressed president putin on more than one occasion regarding russian involvement. president putin denied such involvement. as i think he has in the past. >> however, his russian counterpart, who was the only other person in the room, told him a very different story. russian foreign minister sergey lavrov said, quote, president trump said he's heard putin a very clear statements that this is not true and the russian government didn't interfere in the elections and that he accepts these statements. that's all. just the day before president trump had e 85 indicated as to whether russia was behind the hacking.
where does that leave the relationship? joining me to discuss is a former anchor for the russian state news cancel and carter page, a former adviser to candidate donald trump and a central figure into russian meddling in the election. he has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing. carter, were you surprised? were you disappointed that president trump brought up the subject of meddling to president putin given that you're been dismissive of those allegations in the past? >> not surprised, michael, but i think you have to ask the question, but there's nothing -- there's no -- you know, it was in the intel report, so it completely faked intel report from january 6 done for political purposes, et cetera. so i guess you have sto ask the question, but i'm wondering whether they -- you know, president putin asked something about the fake allegations that were made against one of his leading business leaders who i
was falsely accused by the intel community or in this unverified dossier. so it will be -- it's interesting and we'll see how that plays out. and again, all of these false hoods will be resolved in time. >> the president didn't treat it like it was a false hood. he said what he said in poland, but by the time he gets to hamburg and meets with vladimir putin, he's treating as if it's the real deal. explain that to me and where this is going. >> i wish i could explain it. honestly i was surprised myself president trump even brought this up. what's the benefit to him of bringing it up? he has been very inconsistent on the issue either calling it a hoax or the other day at a press conference when asked by howie jackson he says i think russia did it and it was other people
too. because he hadn't taken a consistent stance, it makes it very hard to follow where exactly the president stands. no matter what he does, he's going to be continuously criticized here at home just because of the current political d dynamics. of course vladimir putin is going to keep denying it. that has been his position. why wouldn't he? there is absolute no incentive for the russian government to change their tune on where they stand about election meddling and hacking. >> in advance of this meeting you had written and said these are two individuals who have big egos. i want to play a snippet and have you read it. go ahead and roll the tape. >> we look forward to a lot of very positive things happening, for russia and for the united states and for everybody concerned and it's an honor to be with you.
>> how do you read it? what's the body language between the two? >> i think so much of politics is optics and so it makes sense that both of these leaders are going to try to portray a very positive and a very firm and strong type of position. but i also think that optics don't tell us much. optics are just what we resort to or what we lean back on in the lack of more concrete results and concrete information. and so i think that vladimir putin probably went into this meeting knowing that he wasn't going to get much out of it. what russia wants is for sanctions to be lifted. given what's happening here in the united states, that's a nonstarter. congress is trying to make it so that the president's hands are tied on that issue. and so the same thing for donald trump. he knows that he's going in with not all that much to give. the two obviously are looking at issues like syria, ukraine. they didn't actually discuss north korea, but areas in which the two countries need to cooperate on an international level. but otherwise, i think both had
to go in with lowered expectations and so it ends up being all about body language and how it looks rather than what we actually get out of it. >> carter, this is what you've been waiting for. if i understand your world view, it is one of the u.s. being trapped in this cold war prism unwilling to think outside the box and regard putin as a potential ally and not an enemy. how did you read what you just saw? >> i -- it was one of the greatest moments in u.s. diplomatic history. the -- >> why? >> well, the brave ry that he showed going up against this fake intel report and all of the political shenanigans that drove this investigation from the very beginning a year ago this month. so it's -- he showed an amazing bravery. if president kennedy had had the same approach in the big of pigs
invasion when he's given this stupid idea by the intel community and is told to run with it with his first six months of his administration, things would have turned out much better for him and president trump had great judgment and really it's great that he actually got to talk about syria as opposed to this fake story. >> but carter, he's not -- he wasn't confronting what you regard as fake information. he was acknowledging the veracity of that information. otherwise, why would he have even raised it with putin? >> you've got to raise the question. i guess you have to raise the question, because i think as secretary tillerson's comments reflect it, you know, some people in america are concerned about it because they were misled. and you talked about the ugly american in your intro, michael. really a lot of this ugly
american phenomenon right now has been driven by these fal falsehoods. i actually don't blame the media. the media has been just kind of following up on lies that they were told by political operatives, both from the clinton campaign and the people they were colluding with in the obama administration. eventually as the truth is finally told and disclosed, you know, with my fisa warrant, through the freedom of information act, there's going to be a great renaissance in media government relations. you watch. >> if you may make one little point -- >> i think respectfully what this presents is the contradiction that we just saw between the president on thursday and the president on friday. he's trying to have it both ways insofar as one day he says it might have been rush, and then in his very first meeting with vladimir putin is the meddling
in the russia election. unravel that. >> i want to make a point about the ugly american notion. the fact that we have a president who doesn't respect women and makes demeaning comments about them, a president who makes demeaning comments about immigrants, their contribution to the society and who maligns them, that probably has nothing to do with the notion of an ugly american, too, because it goes against the values we claim to be pushing all over the world. these values of freedom and liberty and respect for human rights and other people. i just want to make that point. but yes, it's very hard to keep track of president trump and where he stands on certain issues and that's always been the case. that's why i think that also, you know, from just a russian perspective, we saw that there was a lot of excitement right after donald trump was elected. but now those expectations have all been lowered because they've realized, a, that is he unpredictable and kind of flip flops on positions that he's taken. and also, again, i keep
mentioning the current political dynamics at home, but those are a real issue, not something that's being reported in the russian press too. so all of those expectations have now been lowered. as well as the rest of the world just to even look at the position that the united states has taken on the paris climate accord and the trump administration pulling us out of it. again, to me, that is part of being an ugly american. if we're not going to care about the future of the planet and its sustain ability, and that's another thing where people they can no longer depend on the united states to be consistent because of president donald trump. >> respond to that, carter. >> it's interesting the cover story of the "new york times" today, once dominant u.s. is now isolated at the g20. it's completely the opposite. you look at -- you talk about domination. the approach that they were suggesting with this intel
collaboration between the clinton associates and the obama administration, that's the real -- that's the real meddling in the election and i think that is really what a lot of people don't like. the intel community, again, going back to the kennedy example, going back to the original dossier in 2003 leading us into the iraq war, just time after time these really dom inatrix type approaches and they voted against that just like in 2008 with barack obama when he came out against the iraq war and was going to make some changes there. the difference with president trump is that he has a solid plan, an incredibly solid team and he's going to make it happen. >> you didn't actually address any of the points that i made about american values, carter. yes, the intelligence community and its not so staellar track
record is something to be considered. the stablization that it's caused in the middle east, but what about all the other points? >> carter, take 15 seconds and then i've got to wrap. final word is yours. go ahead. >> well, the domination which they've done is really what concerns people. similarly with you, michael. i spend most of my time in london at least until recently. and the people are concerned about the problems with u.s. foreign policy and i think some of the chaos that it's created around the world. we shall see. >> appreciate you being here. what are your thoughts at home? tweet me at smerconish. visit my facebook page and i'll read some throughout of the course of the program. what do you got katherine? you either trust russia or you don't. you are saying tillerson is telling a lie. hey, max, what happened to
ronald reagan's trust but verify? give me another one, please. the president takes the word of a murdering thug about the 2016 election but rejects his own intel community. yeah, michael, i am struck by the fact that all our senior leaders regard putin through their words as a thug or a murderer. republican and democratic and then you've got that image of the president saying it's an absolute honor to meet you. there's a disconnect somewhere. one more if we have time. our daughter was just abroad. this is from facebook. you're right after decades of trying to rid americans of being known as the ugly americans, we are now just that. i'm on my best behavior when i'm outside of my house in a foreign country. i was moved by the fact that i'm minding my ps and qs and trying to err on the side of appropriateness and yet the news from home was unsettling.
up next, north korea had another ballistic missile. several experts on north korea have signed a letter encouraging the trump administration to have direct negotiations with kim jong-un. one of those cig, bill richard has himself negotiated with north korea and he's here. >> as far as north carry ikorea concerned, i don't know. we'll see what happens. i don't like to talk about what i have planned. i have some pretty severe things we're thinking about. award winning design. award winning engine. the volvo xc90. the most awarded luxury suv of the century. visit your volvo dealer today and get up to $4,500 in allowances.
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no north korea. washington should make clear the united states does not have hostile intentions toward north korea and wants to explore peaceful paths forward. now, the signers include a number of heavyweights, diplomat robert galucci. former defense secretary william perry, former secretary of state george shultz and my next guest, former u.n. ambassador and new mexico governor bill richardson. why do you endorse that strategy? why do you think there might be something to gain from direct communications with kim jong-un? >> i've negotiated with the north koreans for their last 15 years. i've been there eight times. they want to be seen as an equal power to the united states. they may not be, but they don't want china, like the six party talks. they always want to be sort of the big guy in the region. now, you admit that diplomacy is
the best of a bunch of bad options. especially right now after the north koreans mistreated that kid, otto warmbier. i was involved in that trying to get him home and he ends up with a coma and without an explanation from the north koreans. i agree, michael, with the secretary of defense. a preemptive military strike is catastrophic. those were the words he used. you don't want this kind of outcome. and in between what we have tried before, sanctions, increased sanctions, putting pressure on china, cyber efforts to degrade their nuclear capabilities, a lot of those options have not worked, but i think we have to continue towards a pace that eventually involves diplomacy. i think that's the only way out. >> is there more here than meets the eye? i mean, to my untrained eye, from the sidelines, it looks like we have no conversation at
the level you are advocating. in fact, are there overtures that get made that the public wouldn't be made aware of? >> i'm not an insider in the trump administration. they don't talk to me. but i expect there are at the state department, mid level with the u.n. representatives, the north koreans have, that did successfully at least, we got otto warmbier back home to his parents. but i think this is a role that the chinese can play. i saw the european union. maybe they can be mediators. we need new mediation there, michael. right now i don't think there's any direct high level contact for sure. maybe lower level. but this is an area where the chinese can help us. but they don't want to help us. they want turmoil in the region for us. they're doing as little as
possible. russia too. the united nations rush and china, i was the u.n. ambassador just teamed up to block some serious sanctions that involve chinese banks that would really squeeze the north korean leadership. so the prospects are not great for any kind of lessening of tensions in the short term. but i think there is a strategy. there should be a strategy short term and long term. and i'll be glad to outline it if we get to that. >> i'm curious as to how much we really know about kim jong-un and i thought my colleague fareed fareed zakaria. that spans both parties and it goes like this. north korea is the world's most bizarre country run by a crack pot dictator with a strange haircut. he's unpredictable and irrational and cannot be negotiated with.
eventually this weird and cool regime will collapse. meanwhile, the only solution is more and more pressure. but what if the conventional wisdom is wrong? perhaps the right way to look at north korea is as a smart, rational, calculated government that is functioning shrewdly given its priority of regime survival. more pressure only strengthens its resolve to buy even more insurance. how do handle it under these circumstances? does fareed have a point? >> he has a partial point, but i believe that they're somewhere in between potential right answer. that's where i think it is. one, he wants to keep his nuclear arsenal. he doesn't want to be another iraq, iran, libya that gives it up because he thinks that weakens those countries. secondly, he desperately wants to stay in power. we can see how he treats his political opponents.
he kills them. he goes after his own family. for some reason he is still not sure of his legitimacy and leadership even though it appears he has substantial support from the military, from the party. third, he is unpredictable. he is somebody that you -- nobody knows what makes him tick. the chinese don't know. i mean, he snubs the chinese. look, you know, dennis rodman is the only american that's ever talked to him. and my view is that there has to be an end game that he has. he can't just continue these efforts. i think he knows that he would be massively defeated by the united states. but he must want something and his big card is his nuclear and missile capability. and in the end, i think like his father, like his grandfather, he's going to say okay, i'm the big player in the world stage, this is what i want. but i think there's got to be more sustained pressure for him
to reach that point. >> final question. can any amount of sanctions make an impact? when i hear the word sanctions, pardon me for an animal house reference, i think of dean wormer putting the house on double secret probation. how many times are going to try that before we realize it doesn't make an impact on this guy? >> the only sanction that might have a little bit of bite, george bush put it on the north koreans, but it was taken off when we all started to negotiate. that is the sanction on chinese bangs that launder money into north korea that gets to the north korean leadership. you need the u.n. to get those done. and russia and china would probably veto them. some sanctions on chinese banks that do business with north korea. after all, 80% of the commerce that goes into north carry cokos
from china. china gives them food, economic assistance, coal, natural gas, energy. so china has that leverage. something that basically also says to china, okay, if you don't put some real sanctions on, china, we're going to sanction you. there's going to be cost to that because china is a big player, commercially, trade wise, especially in the region. i'll give credit to the president. he talked about we're not going to list you as a currency manipulator. i think you've got to really put a bite on the chinese and we haven't really done that yet. that's our best hope. a lot of bad options. >> thank you for being here, governor. i appreciate it. >> thank you, michael. >> what are your thoughts at home? let's see what you're tweeting and posting on my facebook page. katherine, what do we got? if we grant kim the honor of hosting him at the white house,
we merely make him even bolder. he's desperate to be a global player. i think what they're saying is send a presidential level envoy. not necessarily the president going there. this is not nixon going to china or having kim here in the united states. but let him see some level of a sign of respect. pop more if we have it from facebook. kim may be nuts, but we need to do something. yes. agreed on that. what that might be, i don't know. up next, an 11 month old baby in the u.k. has gotten worldwide attention. should his parents vt righave t right to keep him on life support or should the courts rule on his behalf? xiidra is the first and only eye drop approved for both the signs and symptoms of dry eye. one drop in each eye, twice a day. common side effects include eye irritation, discomfort or blurred vision when applied to the eye, and unusual taste sensation. don't touch container tip to your eye or any surface.
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a twist in the case of 11 month old charlie when a london hospital decided to revis its intention remove the infant from life support. i find myself wrestling with this question. who should be responsible for the final zedecisions regarding his medical care? parents or physicians? charlie suffers from mdds. the condition causes progressive muscle weakness and brain damage. there are only about a dozen kids in the world who are known to have it. he's brain damaged and according to both the lower court and the high court ruling in this case, still suffering pain. he breathes with the benefit of a mechanical ventilator and the disease is draining nenergy fro his organs. his parents want to keep him alive by any means necessary but the hospital had decided he would deteriorate where he was not going to benefit from any further efforts.
when i first learned of this case, i said to myself this really is a death panel and how outrageous that any court or any third party would step in and make a decision for this young man and his family where the parents want to pursue alternative medical treatments. then i learned more and i thought more about it and i concluded that it's just not so simple. charlie's 11 months old. the british system necessary tats that his interests be represented independently of those of his parents. what if the reverse were true, that the parents wanted no treatment? we've had cases like this in the united states. in philadelphia in 2014 a mother and father who believe in faith healing were sent to jail after causing the death of their young sick child by refusing to take him to the doctor and they already had another child die under their care. so what if charlie were suffering from a medical condition for which there was treatment and his parents,
because of a religious conviction or some other rational didn't want to have that treatment offered? we'd be saying don't listen to those parents. protect him. as much as it breaks my heart for these parents, i think i do understand which says that there needs to be an informed medical opinion that determines the outcome of this case that his charlie's best interests at heart regardless of what the wishes of the parents might be. it sounds harsh. i pray for him and i'm happy he's been given a reprieve. but the brits have the right idea. in the end, medical science, not emotion, needs to best protect charlie's interests. up next, what are the legal ins and outs about the charlie gard case? i will talk to two legal eagles. what if we pull customer insights from the data in real time? wait, our data center and our clouds can't connect?
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charlie gar so i guess i shouldn't be surprised that my facebook page and twitter file are being overwhelmed with so many of you making comments about what i just said about the 11 month old charlie gard and this fight between his parents and the london hospital as to whether he should stay on life support. show me some of what we've got. it's so absurd that the court gets to decide what the parents could do with the baby even when trump and the pope offered help. but kevin, that was my gut reaction as well. but then you say well, what if parents were making an irrational decision? if the parents were refusing treatment, like the case that i described in philadelphia where a family lost two of their children, we'd all be saying somebody do something. let the court intervene for crying out loud. so maybe the reverse needs to be true. if, in fact, the infant is feeling pain. that's one of the things that i evaluate. time for one more before i welcome my guests. i said it's overwhelm.
right shmighl, let the parents love him as long as they can. i don't want life support removed. i'm trying so they there are two sides to this and i think there's been a tendency to think the court system in the u.k. has been irrational in its handling. let me welcome two experts on all matters of the law. areva and danny, two cnn contributors who are both legal eagles. areva, how do you sort this one out? >> i think the problem with this case, michael, is americans are used to parents and the parents rights and the parents preferences being respected by the court system. i think what's troubling about this case is the family is saying look, we have the money, we have the means, we're not asking the government, we are not asking insurance to pay for this. we're just asking for our child to be allowed to travel to the united states to get additional care. and the courts are saying no, you can't do that.
the case we saw in san francisco, she goes into the hospital for a ton sill surgery, something going wrong, she's declared brain dead. even though the experts said she's brain dead, they were allowed to take her to a rehab facility because that was the parents decision. that's what has americans so concerned. why can't he come to the nied a united states and get the help some doctors say they can provide. >> if he were to come to the united states and there were no relief but the parents wanted to go further, at what point does the court system step in, if at all, and say it's gone too far, he's suffering pain? go ahead, danny. >> since the early '90s, hospitals, doctors, and even courts have begun to recognize a change in policy. that sometimes medical autonomy, the decision to make whatever choice you want for your body for parents for their child, can
be over ridden by the concept of medical futility. as medicine improves, what is and is not futile constantly evolves. this is nothing new in the united states. hospitals have sued many times for the right to withdraw life saving treatment and parents have long oposed them. the wong thing you mentioned earlier, should we look at it both ways. should courts intervene when parents do and do not want life saving treatment? well, we have long recognized that the state has an interest in life. we see that in abortion cases. and because of that interest in life, the courts can take a biased view and err in favor of life. but they don't always have to do so. and medical futility recognizes that truth. >> i think that's troubling for me because american doctors paer apparently are telling these
parents there is some experimental treatment that could help their child. why will the u.k., why would they prevent this child from traveling to the united states when there are medical professionals who are saying they can help? >> so your position would be that as long as somebody somewhere says they can help, then a court cannot withdraw medical treatment. that's eye nice concept. it's just never been the law either in the u.k. nor in the united states for the last 30 years. >> you got my point wrong. i'm not saying somebody somewhere. i'm talking about qualified medical professionals. >> what is qualified? what is futility? >> doctors can disagree about treatment. in this case as long as you have qualified medical professionals in the united states saying that they can provide treatment, why would a country deny the child the right to travel here to get that treatment? i disagree with your point about the law in the myself, because the law in the mcmath case
allowed that family, despite doctors say she was brain dead, they allowed that family to take her to another state to a rehab facility. there is precedent for families being able to control what happens with their child. >> in that sense, you are right. but courts have gone both ways. and federal law and state law, including texas, have enacted statutes that allow hospitals to override the choices of parents. and in certain federal cases, it can go both ways. so you are right. the courts have gone both ways. that does not mean that it isn't reasonable and isn't justifiable in some cases of medical futility for a hospital to sue for the right to say no. >> danny, areva, a wise course for me would be to say absolutely nothing further, but i can't resist, so i have to just say this. someone needs to speak for charlie gard. that might not be his parents.
it might not be in his best interest. at some point, for this to continue, if, in fact, he's -- if he's feeling pain and it is an exercise in futility. that's all i'm saying. when i first read in, i said my god, it's a death panel, this is horrific. then i read more and i thought this little guy's interests need to be advocated by someone and i think the british system takes that into consideration. i wish we had more time. it's an unableabbelievable deba. it's so damn sad that his life hangs in the balance. thank you. you know i appreciate you both. if i've got time, i'm being overwhelmed with twitter and facebook comments. sm he just advocated for death panels. no, i didn't. i said this is going to seem like a death panel that makes a great headline.
but when you read in more about the case, you come to an understanding. but the brits have decided that someone needs to be an advocate for this if he's feeling pain and it's an exercise in futility, is it not worthy as an exercise to weigh what's in his best interests? that's all i've said. still to come, your best and worst tweets, of which there are many. thank you. what in real time?stomer insights from the data wait, our data center and our clouds can't connect?
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hey, if you ever miss the program, you can catch us any time on cnn go, online and through your connected devices and apps, i thank you so much for watching and follow me on twitter and my facebook page. here's some of what just came in during the course of the program. double-secret probation. classic. perhaps d-day and flounder should run the country.
lz, you get my "animal house" reference, dean wormer put the animal house on double-secret probation. every time i hear the word sanction, we're going to sanction north korea. i can't get "animal house" out of my head it didn't work for delta house and it's not working for kim jong-un. i hope i wasn't disrespectful to bill richardson. i'm sure the governor has watched "animal house" maybe not the 14 times i watched it. what else? smerkonish, traveling abroad, wondering what the impact of your new president is on tourism? suzanne, i'm proud to be an american, i'm proud to present my passport when i'm traveling. when i'm at immigration and i see people around me and i get to hand over the united states of america, damn, i get goosebumps, i'm saying some of the stories coming out of the states these days have been embarrassing. and to go after cnn, i am not
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coming to hamburg, there, that they tried the option with the chinese, i'm paraphrasing here, but it didn't work out. just six months into the administration. the president sitting down, obviously north korea at the top of the list. but trade obviously will be a discussion there. the islands in the south china sea also up for discussion. so we'll wait for a readout from one of the representatives to tell us what they discussed. when you look at some of the controversy over the last few
months of what's happened just a couple weeks ago, this $1.4 billion arm sales has left china very unhappy with the u.s. last sunday the u.s. navy had a destroyer that sailed within one mile of the kiss puted island there and thursday, two u.s. b-1 bombers flew over the disputed waters in the east and south china sea. so china has concerns of its own when it comes to the u.s. let's go to jim acosta, he's there in hamburg, walk us through what it is we're looking at, jim and what we know was said in that meeting. good morning. >> good morning, yes. we expect to have some kind of readout and hopefully pictures, unless you're already seeing the pictures coming in. this is happening as we speak between president trump and chinese president xi at the g20 summit in hamburg. there's a lot for these two
leaders to discuss, right at the top of the list, obviously is north korea. president trump has been expressing his frustrations over the last several days, essentially saying that well, i tried to work with president xi on this issue of reining in north korea. but they keep launching these missile tests and so on. in the last few days, the president said well, i tried. now we should point out during this foreign trip, the president was asked, are you giving up on working with president xi when it comes to north korea? and he said no, never give up. i think it will be interesting to find out what the body language is going to be like as all of this information comes in. and what exactly is said, if past is prolog, there may not be much substance that's said in front of the cameras, as we've noted in a lot of the bilateral meetings, when the press is allowed in and they allow the press to take pictures and videos there isn't a great deal of substance, we have to rely on officials after the meetings are over to ascertain what happened.
one of the things we want to point out as the summit is wrapping up, president trump is not expected to hold a news conference as he leaves the g20 summit. that's breaking with a precedent that american presidents have shown in the last several years, president obama would typically hold an end of g20 summit news conference. he is not doing that. i don't know if you can see this over my shoulder right now, there's a big monitor behind me that shows the german chancellor, angela merkel giving a news conference to the world press as we speak. we expect to have one from vladimir putin as a matter of fact, he's expected to also hold a news conference as well as the french president, emmanuel macron. so president trump, not really in keeping with the company here, his colleagues here at the g20 from what we understand vladimir putin is holding his own news conference as we speak. so, guys, as all these questions are swirling around president trump in terms of what was said