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or be prepared to consider obamacare repairs. >> we have to solve the current crisis and repealing and delaying the replacement doesn't work. >> inside politics, the biggest stories sourced by the best reporters now. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. to our viewers in the united states and around the world, thank you for sharing your sunday. president trump's first meeting with vladimir putin went well and the russian president couldn't agree more. >> translator: if our future relations will unfold the same as our meeting yesterday there's every reason to believe we can restore, at least possibly, the level of cooperation we need. >> mr. trump was very much the issue at his first big economic summit, differences on trade, climate and other issues were obvious and part of a bigger question. just what is his world view?
>> the west became great not because of paperwork and regulations but because people were allowed to chase their dreams and pursue their destinie destinies. >> and here at home, anger now at the senate's top republican as he warns the gop to settle indifferences or be prepared to maybe obamacare fixes with democrat. >> i'm still hot about -- frustrated about the developments this week in the health care debate. for seven years the party that we're all a part of in this room has said that it was for the repeal and replacement of obamacare. for seven years. >> lots to discuss. washington post, michael share of "the new york times" and mary katherine hamm of the federalist. new chapter of better understanding and cooperation. be skeptical. we've heard this before from
vladimir putin and both of president trump's immediate predecessor. still, the prospect is always fascinating. one test starts today. implementing a cease fire in the frustrating and bloody battlefield that is syria. first trump/putin meeting that ran so over scheduled that at one point the white house sent in melania trump in to break it up. >> yes, that's true. we went another hour after she came in to see us, so clearly she failed. but i think what i've described to you, it was an extremely important meeting. there's so much for us to talk about. and it was a good start. >> president putin agrees. >> translator: regarding personal relationship, i think that was established.
i don't know how this will sound but i will tell you how i see it. tv trump is very different than the real person. he is absolutely adequate in the dialogue partner, analyzes things quickly, replies to the raised questions or new elements in the conversation. >> we've heard that conversation here in the states. interesting to see the president of russia saying tv trump is very different than in person. the president is already tweeting this morning about the question, the dispute over him raising the election meddling and how the russians responded and whether he accepted it. let's start first with the big picture. u.s./russia relations are critical. russians believe they got everything they wanted that the meeting, especially two hours, 15 minutes, by far the longest meeting which says to vladimir putin, there are 20 countries here. i am the most important. >> that's been the motivation for putin for a very long time. russia has had a giant chip on
their shoulder because they're not the major player at the table again. you heard in 2011, 2012, russia was called the regional power. they bring it up every single time. the fact that they were ordained as being the big kid could be everything for their mind-set going forward. is that a good thing for the united states or bad thing for the united states? that's an open question going forward. >> russia is celebrating. they got the time with the president. we'll get to the specifics of the election hacking. trump said why did you do this? putin said we didn't. even though it's a small piece, let's hope the cease fire takes impact. what did the united states get if russia got what it wanted? >> i think that's very unknown at this point and certainly did not get as much. vladimir putin holding a press conference at the g20 at hamburg, something the u.s. president did not do, was one of the only major leaders who would not answer questions and talk
about this. the flattery memo was certainly received in moscow, saying the president was smart, engaged and other things. by agreeing to move on from the election issue and move on to syria and other things, he's giving putin a free pass on this in some respects. it's unclear what the u.s. got out of this. it seems like this is the latest u.s. president promising a new relationship with vladimir putin and we've seen how that's worked out. by acknowledging some republicans in this republican party are still very skeptical of russia, i think the meeting will not be viewed very well by senate and house republicans when they come back to washington tomorrow. >> waiting to see that. steve hayes for the weekly standard, plugged in very well amongst conservatives says trump was depants by vladimir putin. that's tough talk.
>> to follow up on what jeff said about the lack of a press conference, a lot of times folks think it's just the press whining to want to have the ability to raise our hands and ask questions. the truth is these meetings are a public relations dance. and the winner between putin and trump is going to be the one that better describes and better gets out there in the public their point of view of how they think the meeting went. and when you only limit the meeting to the president and rex tillerson, you don't have the other people out there who can go out to testify, to put their spin on t then the president doesn't put his own spin on it. >> tillerson won't go on camera. >> tillerson won't go on camera. you're handing the other side the public relations codul with which to hit you. >> can the president say you all criticized me, said i shouldn't
just move on. look what i got. i turned the page with russia. any evidence that that brick was laid? >> i'm thinking he's hoping that's the cease fire. i'm skeptical. the u.s. and trump were saying russia knew about this chemical attack on children before it happened, civilians before it happened. now we're saying we're going to get together on work on the cease fire. whether that happens is a question. i never want to take russia's readout as gospel truth. they're leaving an opening here. it's hard to know who to trust in these back and forths, about partly because the whole week we heard he wasn't going to talk to him about election meddling and it turns out he did. >> let's get to that point. rex tillerson told reporters after the meeting the president started with this. he looked putin in the eye and said i know what you did. you meddled in our elections. you have to stop. president trump hasn't talked publicly about that but
president putin has. >> the u.s. president raise this had question and we discussed it. it wasn't just one question. it was a lot of them. he devote aid lot of time to this issue. our position is well known and i repeated it. there's no basis for thinking russia interfered in the election process. >> putin said he told president trump there's no evidence. you can't prove it. we didn't do it. right? putin was asked when you deny the russians interfering in the election, did president trump agree with your position? did he accept that? >> translator: i repeat, he asked lots of questions on this manner i answered as many as i could answer. i think he took it into consideration and agreed with it but you should ask him what his opinion is on that. >> we can't ask him because the president of the united states has not made himself available for questions. he did just tweet moments ago, i strongly pressed president putin about meddling in our election. he vehementally denied t i
already gave my opinion. now it is time to move on, move forward and working constructively with russia. that last part is going to annoy if not more republican hawks who think essentially so putin robbed the bank. trump walked in and said you robbed the bank. we have evidence of it and putin said no, i didn't. so trump agrees and says let's move on. >> that's not going to satisfy members of congress unless you have consequences for 2016. this has also been the weirdest part of the aftermath of this meeting. you have lavrov coming out, saying president trump heard putin's clear explanation. then you have putin backing off what lavrov said too. what was the body language of what was accepted or heard unclear? and that -- still, though, the fact that we've been talking about this right now and that there's a question of has trump just said cool, bygones are
bygones. it's what could have been a strong point for him to what is now a potentially weak point. >> at the end of the day it's an extraordinary back-to-back series of developments. one day before this meeting, he stood in warsaw. was at the press conference and he criticized u.s. intelligence agencies on foreign soil about this. he has questioned the validity of all of this. he goes into this meeting and accepts this. it is more muddled than it has ever been before here, what the president says. and so interesting his words when the secretary of state came out. he shares the concerns of the american people. he didn't say he shared the president's concerns. he said i've given my opinion. actually the president has given multiple opinions on this. >> let's listen. it's very important. the ambassador, nikki haley, is on state of the union. she said everyone knows russia meddled in our elections. everyone knows.
she speaks decla s declarative. why did the president in poland say this? >> i think it was rush wra but i think it was probably other people and/or countries and i see nothing wrong with that statement. nobody really knows. nobody really knows for sure. >> technically, technically, it could have possibly been other countries. there are many other countries than russia that disseminate this information where you have hackers that are based but this is playing at the edge of truth. >> and even if other countries were involved in this particular case, your first meeting with the nuclear superpower, russian federation, everybody, including the president's own team, wanted him to be very focused on you, mr. president, to putin. and now putin and i discussed forming an impenetrable cyber security unit so that election hacking and many other things
will be guarded. the russians hacked our systems. we' trying to hack into vostate vot and now we're going to work with them on getting better at this? somebody help me. fox, hen house? >> it's baffling to know what that means and whether there's going to be some sort of, you know, commission or something that's going to have, you know, americans and russians on it at the same time. but either way, what's very clear is that those statements at the press conference that jeff was at just handed a huge opening for putin. putin knew then, coming into that meeting, that the president's stated public opinion was it could have been other people. no matter what they said there was always going to be a level of doubt. it's clear that the president didn't go into that meeting intending to come out and spin it a certain way. >> to the point about working with the russians, there have
long been conversations among governments, china and other governments, about setting up protocols, what is espionage, what is crime? what are the penalties if you get caught? it's an urgent global crisis, if that's what it means. but the idea that the russians -- let's let the russians involved will make some people suspicious. you had a point. >> the point about what he's saying and not saying here, this is simply an immature refusal to say what everyone wants him to say. i think that is partly where he comes from. >> stubbornness. >> not what you want to see in a president and hawks, including republicans, will be upset about this idea, depending what this means. that remains to be seen. there has been too much resetting, too much looking into vlad's soul over the years. they're not going to be happy about it. if there are no consequences for this to get a deal in somewhere like syria, that still has consequences for future elections because they will think they can do it again with
no consequences. >> is the u.s. government fine with allowing moscow and putin to sort of frame this discussion? we asked three senior administration officials multiple times on the flight last night over from germany. i was the pool reporter on the flight. they simply would not talk about this election interference. we have to move on. this is not something that congress will move on from. i think it is just -- again, he's ending this in a more muddled way. this is not done. >> it's not done unless you have your coffee at home. jeff zelany. lofty talk, the president's world view came into sharper focus and pointed debate.
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to survive. do we have the confidence in our values to defend them at any cost? do we have enough respect for our citizens to protect our borders? do we have the desire and courage to preserve our civilization in the face of those who would subvert and destroy it? >> he surprised us in that speech with a little texture. >> the world has never known anything like our community of nations. we write symphonies. we pursue innovation. we celebrate our ancient heroes, embrace our timeless traditions and customs and always seek to explore or discover brand new frontiers. >> that speech, and the bigger question of the president's world view, is a dividing line on both sides of the atlantic. here at home, this from conservative writer david frohm. >> the falsehood at its core. the problem is not with the speech, he writes, but the speaker. the values he spoke of in warsaw
are values he put at risk every day of his presidency and that he will continue to put at risk every day thereafter. peggy noonan, no trump loyalist, but concluded her take with this. if he talked like this at home, more of us would be happy to have him here. if he gives serious, thoughtful prepared remarks only when traveling, he should travel more. that's kind of a compliment. what did we learn? this is the president's second international trip. the nato summit was the first big meeting, more of a security alliance. now at the g20, economic alliance, stopped in poland, as presidents do, pick a place to give a big speech. what did we learn about the president's world view? >> i think we learned something about his world view. i would argue that this speech is one of the best speeches in terms of thematics and offering a world view. in the krasinski square in
warsaw, thousands and thousands of people were waving american flags and polish flags. this was not a speech he could have given really any place else. this is an america first kind of speech. offering a stark view, actually, about the -- about migration, immigration. it wasn't a modern day speech, if you will. it was sort of a throwback speech but was offering a sense of be afraid of what is happening in the world now. this is a steven miller written speech, one of his top policy advisers here. and it was praised in a lot of corners. but he probably couldn't have given that speech here in america. >> whether you agree or disagree with it, it is good to hear a coherent speech from the president outlining his world view. he was connecting some dots that people were saying how does he get from here to there. he did that. in that speech he is very critical of bureaucracy,
government regulation. he meant the european union. he picks his fights and at this meeting, chancellor angela merkel, the president pulled out of the paris climate accords. merkel called that deplorable, another "d" word from the prime minister of the uk. >> like other leaders here i'm dismayed at the decision to pull out of the paris agreement and i have urged president trump to rejoin the paris agreement. >> he's not going to. he's not going to rejoin. it was interesting to see on a number of issues -- and we'll get to more of them in a minute. let's start on climate. the president was alone. the goal is always consensus. they wrote a goal on climate change saying we, 19, agree on this. and the united states is there. the president has no hesitation about that, makes no apologies about that. he believes -- let me put it this way. he wants to be there and believes that what his voters want him to do. >> in recent decades when presidents have gone abroad and
talk about the defense, collective defense of western values or civilization, that's been a common theme. most times, where that leads to is a coming together of those western nations behind that defense. the problem is that the president has demonstrated in the first six months a kind of isolation of the united states, vis-a-vis the rest -- not the rest of the world but the rest of the western world on climate change, perfect example, where the united states is going alone and there are 19 other nations standing together. and so i guess the real question is, when he talks about the sort of western civilization being at risk, is he standing with the rest of that western civilization or pulling the united states inside and kind of trying to -- >> in the speech he's essentially saying, you know, we want to be friends. we need to be friends but you're wrong. the president is essentially saying you're wrong on these issues, whether it's climate, bureaucracy. that's the point.
>> i saw his speech more as a defense of the west speech than america first speech as someone who has been critical of the america first impulse of the presidency. i don't think he has a real cohesive overarching world view which is why i think you run into problems with realism and pragmatism versus your ideology in protecting the values of the west. and marco rubio just tweeted about his meeting with putin and the cyber crimes unit about how trump doesn't really walk this line. while reality and pragmatism partnering with putin is akin to partnering with assad on a chemical weapons unit. this is a preview of where hawks in the senate might be on this. it's a problem with trump's -- because he doesn't have that world view he can do a speech and go behind closed doors and do something entirely different and contradictory. >> marco roobio being very
critical saying sorry, mr. president, bad call. this one, this president is more transactional than philosophical, if you will. china is not helping us enough with north korea he said on twitter but in the meeting -- twitter, china is not doing enough. sitting across the table -- >> i appreciate the things that you have done with regard to the very substantial problem that we all face in north korea, the problem that something has to be done. and i'm sure that whether it's on north korea or any of the many things we'll be discussing, we will come to a successful conclusion. >> trying to be a bit more optimistic there after being very pessimistic about china's role helping with north korea. >> more diplomatic than before. what his approach is to all these things, it's interesting, jeff, you said it was a throwback speech when he was in
poland. once upon a time the united states could just say if you want to be friends with me this is how we're going to do it, because we were the most powerful people on the world stage and no one is checking us anywhere. that's not the case anymore as you have the european union banding together with climate change and other things. you cannot do that at the g20 because you're not just talking to the west. the president is trying to figure out where he's standing in all these arrangements and takes what appears to be a rather strong stance pushing his friends around and rather concilliatory stance with russia and china. that's a strange position to be in when we're talking about climate change, trade. >> and more sparks to come in the weeks ahead on trade. angela merkel saying trump was too protectionist. the president saying he has announcements coming in the days and weeks ahead. fireworks long after the fourth of july. the party that for seven years promised to repeal obamacare about to propose fixing
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the fourth of july break and, yes, fireworks cliches are in order. senate republicans return home divided in how to replace obamacare. their leader just stirred things up even more. if my side is unable to agree on a replacement then some sort of action with regard to private insurance must occur. no action is not an alternative. we've got insurance markets imploding all over the country, including in this state tochlt many that likely sounds reasonable. if you can't agree on the big change we have to fix the urgent problems. to conservatives that borders on treason. after four election cycles of promising to repeal obamacare, leader mcconnell is saying if republicans can't agree and soon on repeal and replace they have an obligation to fix obamacare. >> what is the republican party
deciding to send national signals about over the course of the next 48 to 72 hours? if we can't repeal and replace maybe we should start working with democrats to fix obamacare. that is the exact opposite of what we ran on. it's bad policy. it's bad politics. >> uh-oh. republican senator ben sasse speaking in iowa, not nebraska, at the story county republican there. we can ask questions about that later. but, look, he is -- this is a moment for the republican party here. mitch mcconnell has 14 days to get this right. how much is senator mcconnell actually wanting to get this bill through? he knows that there are some policy questions about this bill. his -- red state senators jerry moran, senator hogan, huge questions about this. i've never been xwinsed that senator mcconnell is that into this bill. >> clearly a warning shot from
senator mcconnell saying when you come back, prove to me you can settle your differences children or else i'm moving on. i'm not spending more time on this. jerry moran, kansas, not someone who goes out to stir things up. from maine, her state loses medicaid funding. here is their view. >> what i would say is i would not vote for the bill in front of the senate today. i would be anxious to see if that bill can get to the point inny with i think it's beneficial for kansans. >> i've been hearing people telling me to be strong, that they have a lot of concerns about the health care bill in the senate. they want me to keep working on it. but they don't want me to support it in its current form. i still am a no unless the bill is dramatically changed. >> so, conservative from kansas wants dramatic changes, more moderate from maine wants dramatic changes.
four straight election cycles republicans have run promising, give us power, we will repeal and replace obamacare. they won the house, then took the senate, then the presidency. here, this is my favorite. senator pat toomey, in which i think he probably wishes was his inner voice. >> i didn't expect donald trump to win. i think most of my colleagues didn't. so, we didn't expect to be in this situation and, given how difficult it is to get to a consensus, it was hard to force that until there was a need to. and so that's what we've been working on. >> we didn't actually think we would have to keep this promise is what he's saying. what? >> that's the trick of politics. messing with health care is very hard. only way democrats got it through was to brazenly promise that things wouldn't change, but to make things more awesome,
which is not actually what happened. and they took a thousand-seat hit for it over the whole united states. big deal. so, when you're tackling it again, yes, you're going to face some of those problems as well. there is this other deal in the works where senator cruz has this idea if you offer one obamacare compliant plan you can offer less stacked programs as well, which would make, yes, that grouping more high-risk group. i think there's a real policy question there. but it would also stop taking the very small number of private planned people, private market people. i've been there, had a lot of experience with it, stop them from subsidizing that and make it a more straightforward, taxpayer subsidized pool which is not the worst idea in the world and could bring more people in. question is, is it compliant with budget reconciliation? >> if the process -- the policy questions are profound and real, this is not just politicians being children, which they often are, they disagree on the details here, depending where they are in the country, their
view on roles of the government. >> i have to say the fact that we're in a situation where cruz is saying i want full repeal of obamacare, leave nothing on the table is now saying let's protect the principles of obamacare for at least one plan, shows you the situation we're in. heading back to d.c. is exactly what republican leaders wanted to avoid. they dant want people going home and clearly getting an earful from constituents, seeing that 22 million number and being uncomfortable with it. aside from that, how crazy is it? it's a trite point. but to say if you don't behave we're going to make you work with the democrats is a vision of everything that is wrong with -- >> you mentioned senator rubio tweeting on syria and russia and being skeptical about the president meeting with putin. he's tweeting saying i can't vote for the health care plan as is. senator chuck fwrasley, senators should be ashamed we haven't passed health care by now.
we will go from majority to minority. that's the politics of it. i want to put up a axios publish this had chart the other day who looked at polling on this. the gop health care plan as people believe it to be -- there are changes being debated. but what the public thinks does matter in politics. they may not know all the specifics. that's health care plan at 28%. think of all the big initiatives passed over the years. it is so much less popular than other things. they're trying to sell a product nobody wants. >> the irony here is that in some ways they put themselves in this mess because the way they decided to gin up the intensity for replacing and repealing and replace is by focusing on how much of a disaster obamacare had become. how many times have we heard them all talk about it's collapsing, it's ending, it's blowing up. that, they thought, was going to provide the, you know, intensity
to get this done. now what it has done is forced them into the place mcconnell was suggesting, they have to do something right now. otherwise they look like they're not addressing it. >> this is what a bully pulpit is for, for him to talk about it. we'll see. >> i predicted chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell would end up at the blair house in august atty bipartisan health care summit. i should have put a dollar on that one. doing things his way, trump style in full display on the world stage. ♪ ♪
was truly proud to have their support in the 2016 election. >> this was important. the president and chancellor merkel, despite their policy difference, remembered to get the handshake right this time. and the firsthand shake with vladimir putin, well, no surprise, got a lot of attention, of course. as did the second. there were times the president, you could say, appeared alone in a crowd. not talking there, as everyone else seems engaged. others, he clearly enjoyed the give and take, mixing it up with leaders of the uk, australia and france. >> what's going on with macron and may? >> great friends. great friends. >> great friends. and we shouldn't discount that. you can have relationships in which you profoundly disagree with people but develop a rapport. that's important when there are big, financial, international
crisis, international terrorism. you want to have at least i know you, you know me if even if we disagree on things. right? >> no question. the leaders going into a small room, one on one, talking about climate change. yes, they disagree. in my mind, my observations, he seemed much more comfortable this time on the world stage and likes this new club that he is in. he may not agree with them but he wants to see and be more a part of it than it looked like at the g7 when he was sort of on the side. i think this is a fascinating thing to watch. all presidents change in office, grow in office, develop in office. i think they can have an effect on him and they're trying to. >> and relations, as you're just getting to know each other. and macron as well. two new presidents. as we're sitting here this morning, the fallout of the trip continues. secretary of state went from g20 to ukraine. they want to know what happened with vladimir putin. saying sanctions will not be
lifted on russia until russia reverses those actions that required the sanctions. sanctions were not discussed at me meeting with president putin. nothing will be done until ukrainian and syrian problems will be solved. now about the skepticism we're going to move on past the election meddling, that will make them happy, that the president says sanctions are not going anywhere until there's changed behavior. >> the russians were so dead set on bringing up the compounds issue, when they were heading into that meeting. it's a different part of sanctions. >> russian compounds were essentially seized, kicked out by the obama administration. >> in late december, exactly, in response to allegations of election meddling. it will make ukraine kind of rest a little easier to know that the president will not start scaling back the sanctions that exist because of the
annexation of crimea. >> for the trump skeptics, we will watch to see what happens with this modest but still important cease fire in syria, whether you want to dwell on election meddling or not, are you shalla and the united states have to work together sometimes. >> this is an illustration, too, of his style that some people do not like and the things he says which we do not like, or tweet, does it affect policy? sometimes it doesn't as much as we think it is going to. that's an important part of this in how people perceive him, largely many of whom who were going out doing july 4th stuff and said he gave a normal speech and moved on. >> the fallout will continue in the week ahead. up ahead, a possible new slogan as democrats try to get ready for 2018. at panera, a salad is so much more than one thing. more than one flavor, or texture, or color. a good clean salad is so much more than green. and with panera catering, more for your event.
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let's close as we always do around the "inside politics" table, to share a little bit from their notebooks. >> after all this buzz around the president's meeting with the president of russia, what happens now in congress where lawmakers wanted to pass this very stiff sanctions bill that would have tied the president's hands. they're stuck at an impasse, which they're blaming on technical issues but after this meeting, will congress step in front of the president to block n him on what he can and can't do, vis-a-vis sanctions policy with russia going forward? >> jeff? >> the president has made a lot about he is here to represent the voters of pittsburgh, not paris. later this week he's actually going back to europe, going to paris. so bonyoujour, mr. president. will he speak with president
macron. interesting he's going back again. this is a president not all that fond of leaving his bubble at the white house. he does want to make the point that he wants to be a plir on the world stage. what sort of player, uncertain. but very unusual he's going back. it's something he wants to develop a relationship with president macron. the problem here is for him his policies and issues are not in alignment with the rest of the world. watching him again friday on the world stage, interesting. we'll see if those protesters will be held at bay as they were in hamburg. >> and we'll see if a new bastille day celebration. michael? >> there's no big public hearings coming up. senator mark warner saying it may be a couple of months before we get significant public developments, which gives the president a little bit of an opportunity to maybe focus on the rest of his agenda.
we've got health care and other things that he would like to accomplish. the big question is, can he keep from tweeting about it? and thus bringing tension back to a subject that he really doesn't want to talk about? obviously, this morning, he has already started tweeting. we'll see what comes the next couple of months. >> discipline. that's an -- discipline, yeah. katherine? >> they're having an argument in the democratic caucus about whether to oust nancy pelosi. she turned out to be an anchor in this special election in georgia, which even surprised me that was still potent and dccc is trying out a new slogan they got roasted for online. i mean, have you seen the other guys? it's not a bad beat on where politics is right now. the problem for them is surprisingly, again, the democratic party puolls behind trump in favorability and do you understand people with my problems in the in touch, out of touch metric. the problem may not be that the
slogan is a bummer but not that accurate. >> a pox on all the houses? we shall see. a question now front and center for republican campaign strategists, how do gop incumbents run if the party fails to repeal and replace obamacare? the president has called the house republican plan mean and the current senate plan polls below 30% approval. walking away can, at first glance, look appealing. mid term elections are about base intensity and many veteran republican strategists worry failure to pass something could cripple gop enthusiasm. would passing just obamacare fixes make it better or worse? several gop campaign veterans predict a house conservative revolt at any fix obamacare talk f the choice is do nothing or fix, one of the strategists called that like picking between a hurricane and a tornado. tough choices for both parties in the days and weeks ahead. that's it for "inside politics."
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